22% gap
NZPA report:
National continues to enjoy strong support, a new poll shows.
The Roy Morgan poll of 871 people, taken between June 22 and July 5, puts National on 54 percent support. That was up 2 percentage points on the previous poll, taken in the first two weeks of June.
The Greens and the Maori Party were both up half a point, to 8 percent and 3 percent respectively, while Labour was down 1.5 to 31.5 and ACT down 1.5 to 1.
This is the first poll taken entirely after the Worth resignation.
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July 11th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
This is the first poll taken entirely after the Worth resignation.
but before the current lot continued the giving away of our country to a small, questionable, racial group?
July 11th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
More honey traps please. More honey traps.
Mr Tinman, when both Sir Doug Graham and Fran O’Sullivan say it won’t happen, you’re really farting uphill trying to push that silly line.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
So much for the Honeymoon theory… This honeymoon is on the up and up.
Maybe because its a real marriage made in heaven… made to last … not a make believe one like Labours.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
It may have been a little bumpy, but well done to Key and National on the handling of the Worth issue. Those few weeks (incl Mt Albert, and continuing bad news on the economy) may have been good for Labour, apparently, but the public saw through the shenanigans. As RKBee implies, the media write-off of the honeymoon may have been premature.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
and adolf..did you read fran ‘osullivan the other day..?
when she raised the very real spectre of key being a one-term prime minister..?
whoar..!
..eh..?
..(from one of your ‘own’..to boot..!..
..eh..?)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
..and rkb..?
..you could be stretching that ‘real marriage’ metaphor a tad far..eh..?
who’se being fucked..? btw..?
July 11th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Philip Ure said “who’se being fucked..? btw..?”
Ummmm – Phil Goff?
July 11th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Leave your dick alone phil, your brain is screaming out for more blood.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Jesus Adolf, I did not pick you as a National party cheer leader or one who is happy to have socialism just as long as Klark is not the one enforcing it.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
did you think he was one of yr (maybe!..wot with margins of error..and all..eh..?..)…1% of actites..?
..there..big bruv..?
..eh..?
..and hide..is your anderton..?
..eh..?
(heh..!..)
at least anderton has kiwibank to look back on..eh..?
hang on..!..wasn’t rodney one of those loudly proclaiming the imminent failure of ‘andertons’-folly’..?..
..has he ever apologised for/retracted that particular alarmist load of rubbish..?
..and wot has rodney ‘got’/wrought..?
..oh..!..that’s right..!
..he’s about to do a ’strewth’ richardson..on local gummint…
..eh..?
..and..um..!..1%..
..eh..?
..whoar..!
..eh..?..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 11th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
“”..you could be stretching that ‘real marriage’ metaphor a tad far..eh..?”"
Not if you look at the 22% gap.. phil-ofit..
July 11th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
22% Gap? That’s almost as high as the income gap with Australia !
July 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
you should mark this moment..rk..
..as..’as good as it got’..
..eh..?
..it’ll be something for you to look back on..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
big bruv, I thought you could read.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Sorry Phool, I am sure you are trying to make a point but I simply refuse to read your crap, after two lines my eyes start to bleed.
If you could perhaps write it in a more legible manner I would be happy to discuss it with you.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
nah adolf..!
(only small words..and big pictures..)
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 11th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Mickey! Where are you, Mickeysavage?
Mickey?
July 11th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Any current govt coalition would look like a “real marriage” after Helen’s “sham marriage” that we all had to suspend belief and endure during the last Labour government.
PS Of course I’m not referring to Helen + Peter….I’m referring to Helen + Peters
July 11th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
philu, wtf
July 11th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
The effects of nationals political mismanagement shall not be seen in the short term poll results…..however adding a number of factors in the long term shall erode the poll results…..there is a little saying mud sticks…is is no the frist few throws that causes the damage…..maori party in danger alongside national….
July 11th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
terry – I agree with you that mud sticks. And the RM poll seems to be suggesting that
i) The public understands that mud sticks
ii) The public recognises that it is Labour doing the throwing, and
iii) The public reckons that Phil Goff is a very bad shot
July 11th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
“Mud sticks”
After the Lee smears and Worth honey trap? No, not really. Sorry Tel, you’re out of power for a decade. I’m sure Krudd or Obummer will take you in though.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
i) you are your friends are proof it works….
ii) national (texor whoever) typeset helen clark which overtime stuck..
iii).hence alot of you fellas aint got over it..
iv).even after she left…..
July 11th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Lee didn’t need any smearing, she handled it pretty well herself.
Nothing surprising in the poll. It seems a pretty fair reflection on how things have been going.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
On by-election night, David Shearer himself said that Lee has said a lot of good, relevant, clever stuff but that it had been ignored in place of charged terrorist Omar Hamed going up on stage and bawwwwwing about raecismz.
Take your left wing character assassination and shove it up your arsehole, though only after I’m done using your tactics on Jacinda Ardern. She looks proper dim.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
National chucked Lee in the deep end and didn’t bother to give her any water. That was a right botch up.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
what happens if no act or maori party after the next election…?.the maori party only safe seat is hone….however too much cuddling with key without real results..shall test his mana… hone is bigger than the maori party..and they know that….hone could never be leader of the maori party….it would be to restrictive….?
Act is gone…pack of idiots….
look for nz first to return……
July 11th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
The Worth affair usefully exposed the Labour Party as a bunch of dirty thugs. It will take some time to remove that element from the Labour Party.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
“look for nz first to return”
LOL, in your dreams. Though it would explain why it looked like Labour voters were giving their party votes to Labour and their electoral votes to Winnie Peters in Tauranga (http://2008.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2008/electorate-51.html). Labour <3 NZF, they’re each other’s ideological and pragmatic best friends.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Sir Keith Holyoake was almost 12 years, William Massey almost 13 years and Richard Seddon was 13 years…
How many years will Sir John be PM?
July 11th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
what party can take advantage of the redneck backlash over foreshore .?..not national under key….not labour…..not the maori party…not the greens…not act…well who is left…..?
nz first
July 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
ACT down 1.5% to 1.0 %
NZF unchanged to 1.0 %
the bad thing for act is that nzf can only go up with the current events…however act is in government and is trending down…..will rodney hide step aside so the ACT party may regain most percentage points….currently act is polling one third of what the maori party has at 3 %.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
“Sir Keith Holyoake was almost 12 years, William Massey almost 13 years and Richard Seddon was 13 years…
How many years will Sir John be PM?”
Depends on whether he becomes corrupted by politics or not. He’s bit of a breath of fresh air at the moment.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Whats up with the ACT vote? They have lost 150% of their vote since the last poll.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Hopefully he does become corrupted, hopefully it is soon before he fucks this country good and proper.
Bring on Dame Judith Collins, it is about time we had a real Nat leading the party, this sickly white piece of crap we have at the moment belongs in the ranks of Labour.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Rofl big bruv.
I am not a fan of National right now but don’t shoot the horse before it has left the gate.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
“redneck backlash over foreshore”
What backlash? The findings of the Commission played sublimely into us mouthbreathing redneck’s hands.
And don’t worry, Tel, the neoliberals will secure a favourable settlement for all of us with their sensible and wisened reform of the Auckland governance structure and the purge of the leftards in control of the bureaucratic levers of control and the Mayoralships, so you keep sobbing into your Winston Peters pillow.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
terry, why don’t you come back when you’ve learned to string together a coherent sentence? You’ll be just in time to see the Hon Kelvin Davis elected the next Labour prime minister. About 2021.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
terry said (well, in a pretty disjointed way
) “the bad thing for act is that nzf can only go up with the current events…”
terry – in case you hadn’t noticed, NZ First (aka Winston First or the Peters Party) got the Spanish archer at the last election, and has yet to confirm that it will be back for more punishment in 2011. And don’t you think it’s a bit ironic that Winston Peters, a Maori, is so anti-Maori. Do you think he could be trying to reinvent his whakapapa?
July 11th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Labour need a closing the gap policy. Hang on they had one when Klark run the country and it didn’t work. Given what remains of Labour since she left, all share a common IQ point, I doubt they’ll have a strategy for closing this gap any time soon.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Dont know what you are all so excited about. Just ask Mickeysavage and MNIJ and they will be able to tell you that the voters have seen through key and are leaving National in droves. This is only a rogue poll. You tories have no idea!!! Phil Goff is in fact tracking at 64% and as the tories have such a slim majority in the house, they will be jumped in the next week or so with a no-confidence motion and labour will romp in with 70 % of the vote and the Greens 65% and Anderton will get 47%. Eat that you tories!!!!!
Now I just won the 100 million dollar OZ lotto, my male cat gave birth to a sumatran tiger, North Korea has held democratic elections and Airbus has been declared a safe mode of transport.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
adolph
the hon kelvin davis shall be pleased that you recognised his potential…..
inventory2
i know plenty of white woman that dont want white men….i think size has something to do with it….lol
July 11th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
terry, your last comment kinda sums you up. An illiterate ignorant fucker.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
wow….wee…
sorry adolf…. your mother loves you and your father never meant hurt your feelings….
..im sorry you were bullied at school….
July 11th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
“..# bchapman (123) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 0 Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Whats up with the ACT vote? They have lost 150% of their vote since the last poll..”
possibly his plans to privatise the local-body-assets of auckland..?
..that could have something to do with it..?
..or..
..are people (still!) not ‘hearing’ the wisdoms of rog..?..(the former pig concentration camp owner..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 11th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Hey look! Our new(ish) poster is a friend of Helen’s!
July 11th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
I for one would like to thank philu for his ridiculous posting style as it makes it super easy to skip past his malformed sentences and moronic rhetorical questions. I can then keep pretending the left wing is full of reasonable people, despite what redbaiter may say (or rave, to be more accurate)
As for the case at hand…meh. John Key handled the Worth thing well, Goff is a bit of a non-entity, Labour are spinning their wheels and have no new ideas, and still politics is NZ is more about discrete little hot button issues being argued over in the media for a week before disappearing than any sense of direction or true future planning for our potentially wonderful country.
In other words, is there a TBA party to vote for on stupid polls like these?
July 11th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
@ Rakaia George – that’s a classic, mate!
July 11th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
“..I for one would like to thank philu for his .. style ..
..as it makes it super..”
yr welcome..!
..there..transmogrifier..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
July 11th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
terry – best you take your meds you oxygen thief…………..
July 11th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
whafe
personal insults…wow…can be fun for a while….but hey you have offered nothing in response to act poll results…
i have offered compensation to my local iwi in regards to my oxygen intake which they used before the english settlers arrived….
July 11th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
So terry, whom never gets personal….
I have the opinion that NZF making it again is like pushing shit up hill…… Winnie Pete should use what intelligence he has left and take ownership and admit that he is a has been…… He comes back after a long smoko break and starts with exactly the same tactics. You know how it goes, you do the same thing over and over expecting different results just doesnt work…..
Do hope the rain eases by the morning, would love to go biking without the rain……
July 11th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
oh yes terry, I forgot you mud sticks analogy……… Think when thinking of mud sticking, best you look at your beloved NZF and Labour…. The mud is well caked on……
July 11th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
“Hopefully he does become corrupted, hopefully it is soon before he fucks this country good and proper.”
Bruv – As Act shed a third of its vote it’s clear the rest of the right wing Nat supporters don’t share your view.
While centrist politics is not ideal it’s far better than the Labour/green alternative
July 11th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
wharfe
enjoy keys job summit winner …the cycleway…. leave the training wheels on thou … dont want you using up that health budget
July 11th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
It looks a lot like frequent posters on Kiwiblog have indeed re-invented themselves.
Yet they still post with the same frequency, about irrelevant piffle.
Are they trying to convince themselves or others that they are indeed on the right track?
Nice and Warm in England this morning.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Rakaia George (7:08pm) – excellent!
July 12th, 2009 at 1:41 am
GM, you mean nice, warm AND damp? Or at least it is in London….still, jandals, shorts and t-shirt weather so can’t grumble. Gimme a bell if you’re in London & fancy a pint, 0753 448 3188.
Do agree about the ceaseless postings by losers reinvented. Thats why I have lost a lot of interest in Kiwiblog.
Ahem, LABOUR ARE LESS RELEVANT THAN THE GREENS! HA AH AHA HA HA!
July 12th, 2009 at 4:50 am
Hi Expat, of course it is the wild North where the weather has been uncharacteristically dry. Not got any London trips planned this visit.
Bristol, Hull, and Newcastle. Dusseldorf, Barcelona (again), and Scotland for a weekend break.
I have also gotten a little tired of the shrill noises from the shape shifters, but I still fail to understand why they persist with their
false recollections, and tiresome ideology. All of which is based on a false premise.
They really fail to comprehend how folk resent being ordered around.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:20 am
It’s possible for some to be pragmatic and leave the griping behind. The continual whinge doesn’t achieve much.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:59 am
4chan is the place for you Cerium.
Nice and calm, no abuse, gentle, no whinging, lovely young people disscusing politics and the importance of being earnest.
Google it and good luck.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Nah, preaching with the converted isn’t much fun. I like to challenge and be challenged, to explore different views. I just find that too much negative on the same catchphrases gets a bit tedious. So I suppose I shouldn’t whinge about the whinging.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Had the foreshore and seabed raised its ugly head yet, the worth issure was a crap issure to excite posters on kiwiblog, wait till the nats want to give NZ (f&S) to the maori THEY WILL BE FUCKED and heading down the gurgler as i said the nats colours are a dirty purple now
July 12th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Result very much as expected as Goff just doesn’t get traction.I applaud people like English who works away quietly to keep things on the straight and narrow. Key gives the excitement, as well as taxpayers money to others.People underestimate English’s wise head, a dose of realistic southern conservatism in the political approach. Keep up the good work Bill !!
Still there are concerning signs for the Nats with a feeling among the party faithful, workers,membership collectors,policy meeters etc that National seems more enamoured of the flashy elite and trendy residents of Parnell,Motueka and the Coromandel. Ignore your bed rock supporters at your peril- they write the cheques, do the hard work and are there on the rainy day.The elites and trendy are fair weathyer friends – happy to live off you in the good times but quick to savage when the going gets tough.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:12 am
22% ahead and yet no resolve to move things along from Labour Lite to 100% true blue National policy. While I am happy Labour are not in charge, I am not celebrating that National is 22% ahead. It only lends to the theory that the country was tired of Labour rather than wanting National in – which I was hoping wasn’t the case.
National still supports a 38% top tax rate, Working for Families, compulsary student unionism…. Why don’t they start believing in themselves and doing what Labour did by implementing some policy? Labout achieved so much in their first few years, as much as it pissed us off – so why isn’t National doing something to brand themselves?
If they don’t get a majority ACT/Nat Govt after the next election – they would have blown their only opportunity to push through meaningful right wing policy. Who knows who will support them next time, and every thinking person knows that ACT will vote for anything that will give us less state and more freedom.
National, step up!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Neil – trendy and Motueka is an oxymoron
July 12th, 2009 at 9:15 am
LABOUR ARE LESS RELEVANT THAN THE GREENS! HA AH AHA HA HA!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:37 am
clintheine what I am talking about are our trendy greenie voters who inhabit that area-in the last election the Greens polled strongly in that area. Go over the hill from Motueka you enter the Golden Bay which is truly alternative living.
You just don’t find cultural elites in cities, they exist as well in rural areas.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Clintheine, you should check out Colin Espiner’s comment 24 on his blogpost:
Cruise control
He’s well and truely got National’s number.
He states:
“The problem as I see it is this: National is hamstrung, essentially, because it can’t do any of the things a National administration would normally do right about now because it signed up almost entirely to Labour’s policy programme.
It’s true that National administrations are less reformist by nature than Labour ones, and I accept the point of the liberals above that less government can be better than interventionist government.
HOWEVER, National would dearly love to get stuck in to Working for Families, and get people earning $100K-plus off welfare and all the lack of productivity that entails. But it can’t, because it promised not to.
It would LOVE to list some state assets on the stock exchange. It would be good for business, for the SOEs, for the stock exchange, and for investors. But it can’t, because it promised not to.
It would like to make substantial changes to the health and education systems. But it can’t, because it was elected on a platform of no radical change.
And it can’t pour money into productive areas like tertiary education or other projects of its own making because its entire budget is tied up paying for Labour’s policies.
So it’s trapped in no-man’s land, with no real agenda and no mandate for the sorts of changes that many of the people who comment on this blog would dearly like, I suspect.
That’s the reality of this situation. Attacking the media for pointing this out doesn’t make it not so.”
July 12th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Clint is dead right, do not delude yourself into thinking that we had a change of power or control last November, Labour effectively neutered Neville Key with their “slippery” tag, if forced him into making promises to the middle or floating voter that he will never break, of course he is more than happy to break every promise he ever made to his core or tribal voters as he knows they will always vote blue irrespective of who is the leader.
The result of this is that we have a man and a government who are afraid of doing what is right, they are still being controlled by what Labour said pre election, they backed key into a corner and the bastard is afraid to come out swinging.
It pains me to say it but our nation is still in the grasp of Klark and Kullen, until Key rediscovers his testicles he will continue to be held back by the pre election labour party spin.
The Nat’s and Key should realise that THIS is the term when they can change things, THIS is the term when they can go a long way toward weaning Kiwi’s off the welfare state and teaching the lazy bastards that any improvement in living standards only comes about through your own hard work.
Say what you like about Labour but they were smart enough to know that the first term is the one to implement real change, they used their honeymoon period to push their own agenda, Key is missing his one chance to make a real difference
The reality is that Labour are still relevant, the bastards are almost as relevant as they were pre election, the more worrying and scary reality is that this will not change as long as Neville Key remains the leader, its time for a change and its time for Crusher Collins.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:10 am
The thing is, yes it is the Nats fault in many cases, BUT Labours scorched earth policy led to this gigantic meltdown. The lies over the ACC deficit would have been treated as a war crime in other countries and as for the nationalisation of the railways during election year while being behind in double digits in the polls…. that is pure planning to prevent National the tools to pull us out of the meltdown Labour passed on.
Labour had the knowhow to drag NZ to the left – National has a golden opportunity to pull it back, if only to the centre to start with. Start giving Sir Roger a bigger role in the push back. Any Government that has him sitting on his hands is a Government NOT committed to change for the better.
How embarrassing would it be to say in three years that Labour used Sir Roger more effectively than National did?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Neil, damn straight buddy. I went to school in Motueka. The Greens have that area sown up for sure. No surprises, what a laid back place.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:46 am
My wife has just captured Labour’s dilemma in a single sentence: “Who is that guy in charge of Labour, again?”
* Chuckle *
July 12th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Further to my last, this time last year we were all saying: “BBQ at Phil’s place. You bring the votes, he’ll supply the sausages.”
Now it’s: “Morning tea at David Cunliffe’s: You bring the votes, he’ll supply the ‘T’.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:03 am
“Whats up with the ACT vote? They have lost 150% of their vote since the last poll.”
I think you will find that it is mathematically impossible to lose more than 100% of anything.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
It’s all a little bit sureal when posters argue ……
that National on 54% (plus 2%) is clearly on the wrong track by not implementing ACTs 1% (minus – 1.5%) ‘vision for the future’.
that Winston First, static on 1%, is poised for a comeback.
that the Maori Party has only one safe seat Te Tai Tokerau)
and Labour on 31.5% (minus 1.5%) doesn’t even rate a mention.
…. or could it just be that middle New Zealand has got it about right?
p.s. For ‘Our Phil’ … by my count and since the election this is the fifth time in 7 months you have said (in respect of National) “this is as good as it gets”. Stuck record perhaps.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
So what you’re saying then Ross is that it isn’t important to have a philosophy anymore or are you saying that “middle New Zealand” is so wishywashy that they just wanted a new face on the same policies??
I don’t think it’s surreal at all. National have copied or have kept Labours policies. After 9 years of frothing at the mouth they have decided it wasn’t as bad as they said it was. That Labour pretty much “got it right”. Now THAT sounds surreal.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Side show bob wrote:
Thank for that… really made me laugh!
As for the poll; Nationals continued high showing in the polls is sealing Helen legacy in my opinion. It says that Helen + Michael were in power for almost 4 years too long.
^ it’s the only explanation really. Because National is still being Labour-lite in many ways.