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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582403</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so..act is on 1%...margin of error is over 1%

theoretically...act could be in the minus..

..eh..?

whoar..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so..act is on 1%&#8230;margin of error is over 1%</p>
<p>theoretically&#8230;act could be in the minus..</p>
<p>..eh..?</p>
<p>whoar..!</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582397</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The honeymoon is over!  Oh, wait...

http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2009/4398/

In early July support for John Key’s Coalition Government is 58.5% (up 1%) comprising National Party 54% (up 2%), Maori Party 3% (up 0.5%), ACT NZ 1% (down 1.5%), and United Future 0.5% (unchanged) according to the Roy Morgan New Zealand Poll conducted June 22 — July 5, 2009.

Support for Opposition parties is 41.5% (down 1%); Labour Party 31.5% (down 1.5%), Greens 8% (up 0.5%), NZ First 1% (unchanged), Progressive Party 0.5% (unchanged) and Others 0.5% (unchanged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The honeymoon is over!  Oh, wait&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2009/4398/" rel="nofollow">http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2009/4398/</a></p>
<p>In early July support for John Key’s Coalition Government is 58.5% (up 1%) comprising National Party 54% (up 2%), Maori Party 3% (up 0.5%), ACT NZ 1% (down 1.5%), and United Future 0.5% (unchanged) according to the Roy Morgan New Zealand Poll conducted June 22 — July 5, 2009.</p>
<p>Support for Opposition parties is 41.5% (down 1%); Labour Party 31.5% (down 1.5%), Greens 8% (up 0.5%), NZ First 1% (unchanged), Progressive Party 0.5% (unchanged) and Others 0.5% (unchanged.</p>
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		<title>By: Whafe</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582388</link>
		<dc:creator>Whafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The moral fiber of society, honesty of mankind etc etc is in the toilet, it gets worse by the week or month. 

When will humans as a whole say enough is enough???  I know i should not hold my breath, but it is ever going to happen. Is the PC-itis going to drown us all in the Politically correct crap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The moral fiber of society, honesty of mankind etc etc is in the toilet, it gets worse by the week or month. </p>
<p>When will humans as a whole say enough is enough???  I know i should not hold my breath, but it is ever going to happen. Is the PC-itis going to drown us all in the Politically correct crap?</p>
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		<title>By: Buggerlugs</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582387</link>
		<dc:creator>Buggerlugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Labour MP and former lawyer Charles Chauvel is spearheading a bid to remove provocation as a defence in criminal cases.
The defence is often used in court by defendants to justify violent attacks if provoked by a victim.&lt;/i&gt;

OK, so Clayton 216 Stab Wounds Weatherston is a scumbag. This makes Charlie an opportunistic scumbag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Labour MP and former lawyer Charles Chauvel is spearheading a bid to remove provocation as a defence in criminal cases.<br />
The defence is often used in court by defendants to justify violent attacks if provoked by a victim.</i></p>
<p>OK, so Clayton 216 Stab Wounds Weatherston is a scumbag. This makes Charlie an opportunistic scumbag.</p>
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		<title>By: Dusky</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582381</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jcuknz, wankers is putting it mildly, when killing somebody is concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jcuknz, wankers is putting it mildly, when killing somebody is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: jcuknz</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582380</link>
		<dc:creator>jcuknz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to understand why some men who claim to be hetrosexual think their virginity is so important that it justifies killing somebody, and why our society permits it to be a defence against a murder charge.    Are they latent homosexuals that they get so hung up?  Why cannot they simply say &quot;NO&quot; unless of course it is a definite rape situation.  I think they are a collection of wankers frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to understand why some men who claim to be hetrosexual think their virginity is so important that it justifies killing somebody, and why our society permits it to be a defence against a murder charge.    Are they latent homosexuals that they get so hung up?  Why cannot they simply say &#8220;NO&#8221; unless of course it is a definite rape situation.  I think they are a collection of wankers frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: jcuknz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcuknz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;kiwipolemicist (339) Vote:  7   0   Says: 

July 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am 
Yesterday Brian Smaller mentioned that people had been fined for letting people sit on their roof and watch the Hamilton 400. The “crime” wasn’t getting a free peek at the cars, the crime was sitting on a roof. 

If you look at the details it beggars belief; this is Nanny State with whip and jackboots pretending to care about you.

http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/sitting-on-your-roof-is-illegal/&lt;&lt;&lt;

They are not bothered about you but in this crazy PC society they might receive a &quot;please explain&quot; note if the roof collapsed.  It is a result of the &quot;Why doesn&#039;t somebody do something about it&quot; syndrome .. God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;kiwipolemicist (339) Vote:  7   0   Says: </p>
<p>July 10th, 2009 at 11:39 am<br />
Yesterday Brian Smaller mentioned that people had been fined for letting people sit on their roof and watch the Hamilton 400. The “crime” wasn’t getting a free peek at the cars, the crime was sitting on a roof. </p>
<p>If you look at the details it beggars belief; this is Nanny State with whip and jackboots pretending to care about you.</p>
<p><a href="http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/sitting-on-your-roof-is-illegal/&lt;&lt;&#038;lt" rel="nofollow">http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/sitting-on-your-roof-is-illegal/&lt;&lt;&#038;lt</a>;</p>
<p>They are not bothered about you but in this crazy PC society they might receive a &#8220;please explain&#8221; note if the roof collapsed.  It is a result of the &#8220;Why doesn&#8217;t somebody do something about it&#8221; syndrome .. God help us all.</p>
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		<title>By: thedavincimode</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582375</link>
		<dc:creator>thedavincimode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... so then joewellbelowAverage ...

... and you still have a vote ..??!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; so then joewellbelowAverage &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; and you still have a vote ..??!!</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582371</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Firstly, shelf ice is floating, because it is less dense than seawater. When floating ice melts, there is no change in sea level. This is a bit of elementary physics known as Archimedes’ Principle. Secondly, the breakup of ice shelves is normal and inevitable. Ice caps grow by precipitation in the uplands, flow at depth, and at the ice front the ice either melts or breaks off as icebergs. The ice never simply keeps flowing to the equator. Icebergs are produced in both times of climate warming and times of cooling, so they tell us nothing of climate change.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry to raise AGW again, but thought some might be interested in this little fact, since the break-up of the floating ice shelves in Antartica is often shrugged off using the argument that they&#039;re also floating.

That&#039;s true.

But unfortunately, those ice shelves act like flying buttresses, holding in all the ice on the land in Antartica. So if those big shelves go, then nothing happens, sea-level-wise. But if that land ice then slides into the sea, we&#039;re all living in coastal properties.

As readers know, I&#039;m an AGW skeptic, but facts like that give me pause for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Firstly, shelf ice is floating, because it is less dense than seawater. When floating ice melts, there is no change in sea level. This is a bit of elementary physics known as Archimedes’ Principle. Secondly, the breakup of ice shelves is normal and inevitable. Ice caps grow by precipitation in the uplands, flow at depth, and at the ice front the ice either melts or breaks off as icebergs. The ice never simply keeps flowing to the equator. Icebergs are produced in both times of climate warming and times of cooling, so they tell us nothing of climate change.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry to raise AGW again, but thought some might be interested in this little fact, since the break-up of the floating ice shelves in Antartica is often shrugged off using the argument that they&#8217;re also floating.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>But unfortunately, those ice shelves act like flying buttresses, holding in all the ice on the land in Antartica. So if those big shelves go, then nothing happens, sea-level-wise. But if that land ice then slides into the sea, we&#8217;re all living in coastal properties.</p>
<p>As readers know, I&#8217;m an AGW skeptic, but facts like that give me pause for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: EverlastingFire</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582369</link>
		<dc:creator>EverlastingFire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s up with Key planning to piss away tax payer money to all these pacific countries? We&#039;re getting poorer and he&#039;s increasing handouts to them by the millions every year.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=144&amp;objectid=10582007&amp;ref=rss

Looks like we&#039;re even paying for a little hip-hop tour too!  A little something Helen was famous for.

I think we&#039;ve heard the last of any tax cuts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s up with Key planning to piss away tax payer money to all these pacific countries? We&#8217;re getting poorer and he&#8217;s increasing handouts to them by the millions every year.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=144&#038;objectid=10582007&#038;ref=rss" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=144&#038;objectid=10582007&#038;ref=rss</a></p>
<p>Looks like we&#8217;re even paying for a little hip-hop tour too!  A little something Helen was famous for.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ve heard the last of any tax cuts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LUCY</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582363</link>
		<dc:creator>LUCY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall Street Journal 10 July2009

&quot;King Canute at the G-8 
World leaders tell the Earth&#039;s temperature not to rise&quot;

&quot;When King Canute of lore wanted to teach his citizens a lesson, he set his throne by the seashore and commanded the tides to roll out. Canute&#039;s spirit was back in business this week at the G-8 summit in Italy, where the assembled leaders declared that the world&#039;s temperature shall not rise: &quot;We recognize the scientific view that the increase in global average temperature above pre-industrial levels ought not to exceed 2 degrees [Celsius],&quot; or 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, said the summit declaration.

So let it be written, so let it be done.&quot;

Todays WSJ. It would seem that I am not the only one who thinks that man controlling the climate is as idiotic as King Canute controlling the tides!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall Street Journal 10 July2009</p>
<p>&#8220;King Canute at the G-8<br />
World leaders tell the Earth&#8217;s temperature not to rise&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;When King Canute of lore wanted to teach his citizens a lesson, he set his throne by the seashore and commanded the tides to roll out. Canute&#8217;s spirit was back in business this week at the G-8 summit in Italy, where the assembled leaders declared that the world&#8217;s temperature shall not rise: &#8220;We recognize the scientific view that the increase in global average temperature above pre-industrial levels ought not to exceed 2 degrees [Celsius],&#8221; or 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, said the summit declaration.</p>
<p>So let it be written, so let it be done.&#8221;</p>
<p>Todays WSJ. It would seem that I am not the only one who thinks that man controlling the climate is as idiotic as King Canute controlling the tides!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: joeAverage</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582361</link>
		<dc:creator>joeAverage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its sad that white hunters who go out hunting are now been targeted by the mongrel mob and other tosser fat belly maoris in the bush ( i would shoot the fat pricks, but maori who are only 10% of NZ who are the FIRST NATION  are  endangered), john boy key the wimp  (OUR PM ????????) who leads us groveled to the fat belly in charge maori party for their support and the crims took this grovelling as a green light to do what maoris do ,be crims if you can get away with it ,GOOD ONE NATIONAL and johnboy key who luvs every one except the white middle class working man who is his main voting base , 2.5 years to go john boy and you could be gone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its sad that white hunters who go out hunting are now been targeted by the mongrel mob and other tosser fat belly maoris in the bush ( i would shoot the fat pricks, but maori who are only 10% of NZ who are the FIRST NATION  are  endangered), john boy key the wimp  (OUR PM ????????) who leads us groveled to the fat belly in charge maori party for their support and the crims took this grovelling as a green light to do what maoris do ,be crims if you can get away with it ,GOOD ONE NATIONAL and johnboy key who luvs every one except the white middle class working man who is his main voting base , 2.5 years to go john boy and you could be gone</p>
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		<title>By: AG</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582356</link>
		<dc:creator>AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex,

Isn&#039;t there also an irony in the Hamilton Council cracking down on the &quot;unsafe&quot; spectators of an event involving high performance motorcars flying around a circuit deliberately designed so that any lapse in concentration/judgment results in a high-speed crash? An event the Council pours quite considerable sums of ratepayer money into?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there also an irony in the Hamilton Council cracking down on the &#8220;unsafe&#8221; spectators of an event involving high performance motorcars flying around a circuit deliberately designed so that any lapse in concentration/judgment results in a high-speed crash? An event the Council pours quite considerable sums of ratepayer money into?</p>
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		<title>By: AG</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582354</link>
		<dc:creator>AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>backster.

Agreed. Any evidence these figures are significantly higher for Kiwibank vis a vis the Aussie ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>backster.</p>
<p>Agreed. Any evidence these figures are significantly higher for Kiwibank vis a vis the Aussie ones?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582351</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew W notes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other hand, if the roof had collapsed it could have been nasty, and taxpayers, as well as those on the roof, would be paying.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree. I&#039;m so glad Labour put an end to all this pointless risk-taking behaviour, like climbing a bloody mountain just because it&#039;s there (as opposed to, say, needing to get to the other side or some rational reason). I mean such bloody-minded stupidity in the pursuit of &quot;fun&quot; could lead to the loss of innocent lives, such as that of your mountain guide for instance.

Oh wait... is it just that risk-taking behaviour isn&#039;t okay for the poor dumb folks of Hamilton, but still okay for the moneyed power elite? Sorry, I&#039;ll shut up then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew W notes:</p>
<blockquote><p>On the other hand, if the roof had collapsed it could have been nasty, and taxpayers, as well as those on the roof, would be paying.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree. I&#8217;m so glad Labour put an end to all this pointless risk-taking behaviour, like climbing a bloody mountain just because it&#8217;s there (as opposed to, say, needing to get to the other side or some rational reason). I mean such bloody-minded stupidity in the pursuit of &#8220;fun&#8221; could lead to the loss of innocent lives, such as that of your mountain guide for instance.</p>
<p>Oh wait&#8230; is it just that risk-taking behaviour isn&#8217;t okay for the poor dumb folks of Hamilton, but still okay for the moneyed power elite? Sorry, I&#8217;ll shut up then.</p>
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		<title>By: backster</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582349</link>
		<dc:creator>backster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to know the percentage of mortgage defaults and provisions for bad loans made by Kiwibank vis a vis the Aussie ones before getting too enthusiastic about its&#039; expansion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to know the percentage of mortgage defaults and provisions for bad loans made by Kiwibank vis a vis the Aussie ones before getting too enthusiastic about its&#8217; expansion.</p>
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		<title>By: AG</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582346</link>
		<dc:creator>AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh ... posted too quick, and no edit!

Meant to write (i.e. recycles that money within NZ, rather than exports it to Australia?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh &#8230; posted too quick, and no edit!</p>
<p>Meant to write (i.e. recycles that money within NZ, rather than exports it to Australia?)</p>
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		<title>By: AG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offshore Kiwi,
&quot;Forget the stories about the BEABs price-gouging; Kiwibank is teaching them all a lesson.
“Progressive=Labour innovation” … another innovation into shafting the NZ taxpayer!&quot;

Not sure I understand your position here. Do you want Kiwibank to operate as a commercial entity that generates profits (by loaning at a rate that is more attractive to borrowers than the BEABs, yet is above its (comparatively cheaper) cost of funds), pays a dividend to the government, and thus makes more money available for things like health and education (i.e. recycles that money within NZ, rather than ? Or do you want Kiwibank to operate as a purely social/charitable enterprise that loans money at near-cost, charges lower interest rates, offers the government no return on the capital it has invested, thus effectively creating a transfer of wealth from every taxpayer to the few who borrow money from Kiwibank? Or do you want no Kiwibank, just the BEABs charging their higher rates of interest, sending their profits to Australia, thus increasing our already parlous balance of payments situation?

My point about Kiwibank being &quot;a success&quot; is that (1) you don&#039;t hear much anymore from those doomsayers (i.e. Rodney Hide) who predicted Kiwibank would fail; (2) it appears National has moved from wanting to privatise to embracing the institution; and (3) a bunch of Aussie economists want to copy us ... and we all know how important it is for NZ to have international validation! (see http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10583310 )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offshore Kiwi,<br />
&#8220;Forget the stories about the BEABs price-gouging; Kiwibank is teaching them all a lesson.<br />
“Progressive=Labour innovation” … another innovation into shafting the NZ taxpayer!&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure I understand your position here. Do you want Kiwibank to operate as a commercial entity that generates profits (by loaning at a rate that is more attractive to borrowers than the BEABs, yet is above its (comparatively cheaper) cost of funds), pays a dividend to the government, and thus makes more money available for things like health and education (i.e. recycles that money within NZ, rather than ? Or do you want Kiwibank to operate as a purely social/charitable enterprise that loans money at near-cost, charges lower interest rates, offers the government no return on the capital it has invested, thus effectively creating a transfer of wealth from every taxpayer to the few who borrow money from Kiwibank? Or do you want no Kiwibank, just the BEABs charging their higher rates of interest, sending their profits to Australia, thus increasing our already parlous balance of payments situation?</p>
<p>My point about Kiwibank being &#8220;a success&#8221; is that (1) you don&#8217;t hear much anymore from those doomsayers (i.e. Rodney Hide) who predicted Kiwibank would fail; (2) it appears National has moved from wanting to privatise to embracing the institution; and (3) a bunch of Aussie economists want to copy us &#8230; and we all know how important it is for NZ to have international validation! (see <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&#038;objectid=10583310" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&#038;objectid=10583310</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: Kris K</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582342</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inventory2 [9:58 am],
&quot;Complete change of subject - can anyone remember what happened 42 years ago today?&quot;

Yep, I was 14 days short of my 5th birthday and still remember decimal currency coming in.
A lot happened around that time - the late sixties, that left lasting impressions on my young mind.
As well as decimal currency in 1967, the Wahine storm 1968 [still remember seeing corrugated iron flying about 500m up in the sky and asking my mother why parents would send kids to school in that weather with all the debri flying around], and the moon landing in 1969.

Other interesting yardsticks [metre-sticks doesn&#039;t have the same ring] I remember:
3rd form, 1976 still used log tables at school. [just like my father had]
4th form, 1977 slide rules came in.
5th form, 1978 basic scientific calculators came in; allowed to use them in School Cert.
6th form, 1979 advent of the programmable calculator, but still sent punch cards in for maths/computing.
7th form, allowed programmable calculators into exams. So new back then that the exam observers didn&#039;t know how to check the memories to prevent cheating [not that I did, of course!].

Do the &#039;younger generation&#039; even remember a time without PCs, the web, cell phones, etc? [what&#039;s a log table?]
Gee, I feel old now. Think I&#039;ll go have a nap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inventory2 [9:58 am],<br />
&#8220;Complete change of subject &#8211; can anyone remember what happened 42 years ago today?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep, I was 14 days short of my 5th birthday and still remember decimal currency coming in.<br />
A lot happened around that time &#8211; the late sixties, that left lasting impressions on my young mind.<br />
As well as decimal currency in 1967, the Wahine storm 1968 [still remember seeing corrugated iron flying about 500m up in the sky and asking my mother why parents would send kids to school in that weather with all the debri flying around], and the moon landing in 1969.</p>
<p>Other interesting yardsticks [metre-sticks doesn't have the same ring] I remember:<br />
3rd form, 1976 still used log tables at school. [just like my father had]<br />
4th form, 1977 slide rules came in.<br />
5th form, 1978 basic scientific calculators came in; allowed to use them in School Cert.<br />
6th form, 1979 advent of the programmable calculator, but still sent punch cards in for maths/computing.<br />
7th form, allowed programmable calculators into exams. So new back then that the exam observers didn&#8217;t know how to check the memories to prevent cheating [not that I did, of course!].</p>
<p>Do the &#8216;younger generation&#8217; even remember a time without PCs, the web, cell phones, etc? [what's a log table?]<br />
Gee, I feel old now. Think I&#8217;ll go have a nap.</p>
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		<title>By: bringbackthebiff</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/general_debate_10_july_2009.html#comment-582337</link>
		<dc:creator>bringbackthebiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone on this blog has acquaintances who live in Oz and travel around victoria at all, I encourage them to boycott BP at the Flying horse on the East side of Warrnambool.  I want these highway robbers out of business
&lt;a href=&quot;http://diehardmooloo.blogspot.com/2009/07/do-nut-buy-petrol-at-flying-horse-bp.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Die Flying Horse BP Die&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone on this blog has acquaintances who live in Oz and travel around victoria at all, I encourage them to boycott BP at the Flying horse on the East side of Warrnambool.  I want these highway robbers out of business<br />
<a href="http://diehardmooloo.blogspot.com/2009/07/do-nut-buy-petrol-at-flying-horse-bp.html" rel="nofollow">Die Flying Horse BP Die</a></p>
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