Comments on: General Debate 22 July 2009

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:58:53 +0000

Grumpyoldhori said at 3.03pm:
Need to earn some money ?
Do this, grab a ladder,bucket and a hose and scraper.
Then go door to door asking ladies of the houses if they want their gutters cleaned.
To be evil just ask if they are waiting for their husbands to do it, then watch the fire in their eyes.
If you cannot make $30 bucks an hour you are either idle, or incredibly bloody ugly.

You have to be joking!
Climb a ladder? what if someone falls?
A bucket? this means filling the bucket, how heavy will it be? will it cause an injury?
A hose? this means water is involved, is the hose area fenced off?
A scraper? this tool will have a safety lock to keep it in the scabbard?

By: Hurf Durf

Hurf Durf — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:54:12 +0000

Wow, racer’s all over the place. Have a lie down before the last functioning blood vessel in your head bursts.

By: racer1

racer1 — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:33:06 +0000

it is not illegal or libelous, there is no law saying you have to like Negroids. Get a fucking clue you moron.

By: Hurf Durf

Hurf Durf — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:23:08 +0000

“You lot still don’t like those Negroids do you?”

You shoudl probably back up your illegal libelous comment with some evidence, else you deserve jail.

By: racer1

racer1 — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:20:05 +0000

Careful every one else, if you question the opinions of the above moron, his 2nd brain cell might kick into action, and we can all laugh at the ensuing tantrum he throws.

By: Hurf Durf

Hurf Durf — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:01:37 +0000

Careful, guys, disagreeing with someone on their politics might cause big bad racer to call you a racist and say you should be put in jail.

By: racer1

racer1 — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:41:37 +0000

“# Glutaemus Maximus (1962) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm

Interesting news about Obama here.

Polling lower than Bush Junior at the same stage. Remarkable.

Rhetoric over substance.

Go on Bat Ears, show us your Birth Certificate! You are a Fraud, and corrupt. How much did Fanny and Freddie pour into your campaign?

Money from the small man, my arse.
”

You shoudl probably back up your illegal libelous comment with some evidence, else you deserve jail.

By: racer1

racer1 — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:27:19 +0000

You lot still don’t like those Negroids do you?

By: Hurf Durf

Hurf Durf — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:07:57 +0000

In the meantime, Jackoff, Google “Gerald Walpin, Federal IG, fired for investigating an Obama supporter.”

By: Hurf Durf

Hurf Durf — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:02:45 +0000

“An independent investigator”

Democrat operative, then, Jackoff.

http://news.bnonews.com/j9hp

Here’s the PDF of the report. It’s only nine pages long and worth reading in full because the gist of it is that legal defence funds simply aren’t permissible under the Alaska ethics act. It’s not that she’s doing anything underhanded or differently from the Clintons or John Kerry or any federal official; it’s just that Alaska doesn’t allow the governor to accept money that’s in any way connected with the performance of her duties as governor. In fact, on page 7, the investigator goes out of his way to say that Alaska’s system is FUBAR, especially with respect to not reimbursing the governor for defending herself against frivolous complaints, but since he can only apply the law as written, that’s what he has to do. His recommendation for “corrective action”: Having Palin seek reimbursement from Alaska.

Exit question: Who leaked this, ahem, “confidential” report?

By: Glutaemus Maximus

Glutaemus Maximus — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:01:03 +0000

Ooops!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5880717/Barack-Obama-ratings-fall-as-polls-show-honeymoon-may-be-over.html

By: Glutaemus Maximus

Glutaemus Maximus — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:39:00 +0000

Interesting news about Obama here.

Polling lower than Bush Junior at the same stage. Remarkable.

Rhetoric over substance.

Go on Bat Ears, show us your Birth Certificate! You are a Fraud, and corrupt. How much did Fanny and Freddie pour into your campaign?

Money from the small man, my arse.

By: backster

backster — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:58:22 +0000

TMC………You haven’t done much shopping lately Cheese is about what is was before the boom and so is butter.

By: TMC

TMC — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:54:58 +0000

Saw an article out yesterday that farmers are hurtin’ in NZ again.

“World commodity prices have plummeted.” By 50% according to the Bloomberg charts.

Wasn’t Fonterra not too long ago blaming incredibly high prices for milk and cheese in this country on world commodity prices?

If that’s the case, prices in the store would be overdue for lowering, yes? Why no noise about this?

By: grumpyoldhori

grumpyoldhori — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 03:03:19 +0000

Need to earn some money ?
Do this, grab a ladder,bucket and a hose and scraper.
Then go door to door asking ladies of the houses if they want their gutters cleaned.
To be evil just ask if they are waiting for their husbands to do it, then watch the fire in their eyes.
If you cannot make $30 bucks an hour you are either idle, or incredibly bloody ugly.

By: kiwipolemicist

kiwipolemicist — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:51:36 +0000

Owen:

I challenge the claim that Rousseau had more influence on modern democracy than Locke. Just about everything Locke had to say is reflected in the US Constitution.

IMHO the America of today bears little resemblance to the America envisioned by the writers of the constitution. The Mises article that my post contains a link to shows the influence of Rousseau on today’s version of democracy.

Your second link is dead – there’s an extra dot at the end. This one works well:
http://www.rmastudies.org.nz/index.php/issues/65-the-age-of-environmentalism/307-enviromentalism

Your essay looks intriguing but I’m not to attempt to say any more because it will require application that I don’t have time for right now.

To the misanthropic Dark Greens I say “Lead by example and top yourself. If you do not you are a hypocrite”.

I’m glad that at least one other person on the planet appreciates my post

I have to go out now but hopefully I’ll be back here later.

By: Fletch

Fletch — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:37:42 +0000

Total Eclipse of the sun today!
Well…not really in NZ, but if you want to see what you can see, have a look at about 2.35pm today.
The moon should be just below the Sun (although not really covering it).

By: Buggerlugs

Buggerlugs — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:29:21 +0000

Youth Against Child Abuse NZ is trying to canvass ideas by which we can reduce child abuse in NZ

Contraceptives. Simple.

By: Owen McShane

Owen McShane — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:15:19 +0000

Kiwipolemicist,
Rousseau is hard to put in a box because he became extremely passionate about different ideas at different times in his live and was prone to go over the top with each and any of thse particular enthusiasms.
I challenge the claim that Rousseau had more influence on modern democracy than Locke. Just about everything Locke had to say is reflected in the US Constitution. Rousseau’s democracy (and his state) has nothing to do with representative democracy. He insisted that everyone should vote directly on every issue. So the social entity could be no greater than could meet in a room and attend the meeting place. The opposite of the Leviathan.
His ideal state was a state of nature by which he meant the family living within a small rural village. To my mind the best presentation of Rousseau’s State of Nature was in the TV series The Darling Buds of May – and anyone who watched the blossoming of Catherine Zeta Jones as an example of the state of nature would be hard pressed to deny it.
Rousseau is so exasperating. He charms us on one page and horifies us on the next.
I have read your page (and appreciate it) so you might like to read my third paper on the Age of Environmentalism – which is about “The American Story”. I deal with Rousseau’s contribution to current thought on the environment as best I can. At least he is a long way from the Dark Greens of 19th Century Germany that I write about in “Beware the Dark Greens”, the second in the series. If you want to look at the dark side – that’s the paper.

Go to: http://www.rmastudies.org.nz/index.php/issues
Or go here to get the pdf without seeing the rest of the Web page: http://www.rmastudies.org.nz/documents/BerlinroussF.pdf.

By: kiwipolemicist

kiwipolemicist — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:55:31 +0000

s.russell:

He was arguing for something that has become so deeply embedded in the modern concept of the state that we now take it for granted

That is my point precisely: my post was written for the purpose of showing the authoritarian agenda behind what is now considered to be a normal part of statehood.

My own summary of what he says of “the social contract” is: “Everyone has the same rights, and those rights are determined by the collective of all (the state)”.

Rousseau sums it up thus:
Each of us puts his person and all his power in common under the supreme direction of the general will, and, in our corporate capacity, we receive each member as an indivisible part of the whole.

Sounds evil to me – note the “supreme direction”.

Who else but the collective of all/ state / whole community would be the arbiter of what rights people have?

As I said in my post “The trouble with democracy”, the “whole community” is a fiction because democracy is mob rule. I don’t want the mob that rules – or anyone else for that matter – deciding what rights I do and don’t have because at that point freedom is lost.

I believe that each person intrinsically possesses personal and property rights, and that initiating violence against those is illegitimate/criminal (the non-aggression axiom). Those two rights are all you need, and if I had it my way they’d be the basis of our legal system (it’s not a radical idea, more of a restoration).

(I won’t put up a link to the democracy post since that seems to tick off a few people, despite the fact that putting up links clearly provokes debate in the “general debate” post)