Liu arrested

July 4th, 2009 at 11:13 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

Police have charged a multi-millionaire businessman, who was granted New Zealand in controversial circumstances, with making false declarations on immigration papers and using fake identities to obtain a passport.

Yong Ming Yan – also known as Bill Liu, Yang Liu and William Yan – was supported in his citizenship bid last year by Labour MPs Dover Samuels and Chris Carter, and National MP Pansy Wong.

To be fair to Chris Carter and Pansy, they had no idea he was dodgy. Dover did know of the allegations but chose not to believe them. But most of all had all the details from his departments about Liu, including a very firm recommendation that he not be given citizenship. In fact even then they were talking about prosecuting him.

He appeared in Manukau District Court, and is facing 12 charges in relation to false declarations on his immigration papers, having false passports and using deception to gain citizenship.

Yan entered no plea to eight charges under the Crimes Act, two under the Passport Act and one under each under the Immigration Act and Citizenship Act.

And authorities have obviously decided there are sufficient ground to prosecute.

He was granted citizenship in a VIP ceremony in Wellington last year after lobbying from former Labour MP Dover Samuels, who regards him as a close friend.

Rick Barker, the then Internal Affairs Minister charged with approving citizenship applications, was also on the list of politicians who knew Yan. Because of this, he passed the file to another minister, Shane Jones.

Mr Jones overruled Internal Affairs advice that Liu – now Yan – did not meet character requirements and granted him citizenship.

Mr Jones, now the Opposition spokesman for economic development and the environment, last night declined to comment.

Sooner or later Jones need to explain why he over-rode the advice from officials. Citizenship is not a right for people not born here, and those who get it should be of sound character. did not think he was. Was Jones influenced by Liu’s donations to political parties and candidates? Was he convinced by his mate’s lobbying? Whatever it was, we need to know. If Liu is convicted, there should be a formal external inquiry into why he was granted citizenship.

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32 Responses to “Liu arrested”

  1. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Formal external inquiry.
    Don’t make me laugh.
    Your National party has demonstrated numerous times this year that they will pull out all the stops to help their collegial cousins in Labour to avoid facing the consequences of poor behaviour.

    Nothing will happen, nothing will be uncovered.
    We can’t even get proper coverage of the Philip Field trial in our papers so expecting the lazy media to chase it down is a wasted hope as well.

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  2. backster (2,172 comments) says:

    One would hope that the Media would be far more interested in why JONES over-rode his Departments advice and recommended this alleged major criminal than they are in why John KEY lost confidence in one of his second tier ministers.

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  3. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    I guess Ian Wishart was right all along, he should be commended for his efforts.
    The Labour scumbags that allowed this to happen should have their citizenship revoked and be exported to Somalia.

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  4. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    ..all the while Jones was wankin on about lighbulbs and shower flow restrictions..good cover toerag…

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  5. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    DPF – you ignore the even more significant issue. Nine months before Liu was granted citizenship, David Cunliffe, in his capacity as Immigration Minister was advised by officials to revoke Liu’s residency due to apparent passport irregularities. “I’m running this show now” Cunners knew better, of course, and declined to follow the advice proffered to him by the officials who knew exactly what Liu had been up to. IMHO, he is even more culpable than Jones.

    Still, it’s good news for the Nats – the two self-promoters are eliminated from contention for Labour’s leadership in the short to medium term, and Goff remains in place.

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  6. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    ..that Cunliffe’s a cherry dont ya think…such a smug arse know everything tell ya what to do I know bestness ooozing outa of ‘em…pffft…

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  7. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Bullshit, beyond this place and a few other blogs we will see nothing, Wishart gets no airtime and the MSM don’t give a shit.
    I have been asking myself repeatedly over the last decade…. Is this the one that will get them. And the answer is always no, they always slither out from under.

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  8. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    starboard – I think the nickname “Silent T” says it all really ;-)

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  9. kaya (1,360 comments) says:

    Maybe Shane just thinks it’s the same as Gerrard Otimi’s hapu adoption policy?

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  10. Father Ted (85 comments) says:

    So devious Dover knew of the allegations and refused to do anything but sweep them under the carpet with his huge Liarbour broom. What else would you expect from such a bent unit in a power crazy and deceitful Klark dictatorship. Bloody criminals.

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  11. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    more likely Shane Jones will get offered a top job in a SOE than subject to “a formal external inquiry “

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  12. Father Ted (85 comments) says:

    Slippery Jones and Devious Dover should be bunking together in cell 666 HMS Liarbour Maximum Security Unit.

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  13. Razork (375 comments) says:

    I love the Herald head line

    “MPs’ rich friend arrested at airport “

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  14. the deity formerly known as nigel6888 (852 comments) says:

    Well Rick dodged a bullet there. Doesnt look good does it, someone on both Chinese and Australian police wanted lists, using stolen identities and fake passports gives money to the Labour Party and gets a personal citizenship ceremony.

    and this after the Immigration recommended his residency be revoked.

    Just as well Shane Jones is a man of unbesmirched personal integrity isnt it?

    My prediction: The media will do all they can to avoid hanging this rotting albatross round the appropriate necks. They will then point to this article to say they fully covered the political connections of the story.

    How did so many Labour Ministers (not MPs as in the article) knew him?

    How much did he donate to Labour?

    How many Chinese community votes did he promise to organise for Labour?

    Why did the Immigration advice get overruled?

    Why did he get a personal citizenship ceremony?

    How much pressure have the Australians and Chinese brought to bear to have this guy stopped?

    Surely those are questions firmly in the public interest, but I am sure our resident lefties would rather twitter on about why Richard Worth was sacked.

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  15. Manolo (13,780 comments) says:

    “Your National party has demonstrated numerous times this year that they will pull out all the stops to help their collegial cousins in Labour to avoid facing the consequences of poor behaviour.”

    Spot on!

    Furthermore, the spineless Tories have helped and supported the worst wreckers, like Clark and Cullen, to get plum jobs and sinecures.

    The despicable politicians from both parties are made for each other. Despite their cosmetic differences they come from the same corrupt and malodorous pond.

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  16. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    I’ve just found this on a post I did on 18 October last year when the story first broke. This is an extract from Wishart’s TGIF story where the matter first broke:

    “A further letter on Liu’s DIA file (file number CIT2005011583), dated 25 March 2008, reveals the Internal Affairs Department has grave doubts about the suitability of Yang Liu to even be in New Zealand as a permanent resident, let alone be awarded citizenship.

    “Could you please answer the following questions in writing,” asked Gambo:
    1. How many identities do you have or have you used?
    2. Why are you using multiple identities?
    3. Which of these identities are false?
    4. What is your true name?
    5. What is your correct date of birth?
    6. Is your birth certificate a true record of your birth? If no, why?
    7. If 20 October 1972 was not your correct date of birth, why did you declare on your application form that you were born on 20 October 1972? Why are you using a Chinese passport that shows your date of birth as 20 October 1972?
    8. If 15 June 1969 was not your correct date of birth, why are you using a Chinese passport that shows your date of birth as 15 June 1969? Or why have you used a Chinese passport that shows your date of birth as 15 June 1969?
    9. How did you obtain this passport? What documents were used to obtain this passport (the Chinese passport authorities would have sighted documentation with this date of birth before issuing a passport to you)?
    10. What happened to these [other] passports: 144944669; 143080886; 140275129?
    11. What dates of birth and names were used in obtaining these passports?
    12. Are all the documents you have provided to us in support of your application genuine in every respect? If no, why?
    13. Were your travel documents, visas and permits
    all obtained legally using genuine documents? If no, why?
    14. What dates of birth have you used in your dealings with other government departments and non-government agencies in New Zealand and overseas (for example, banks, Inland Revenue Department, WINZ and LTSA)? Please provide documentary evidence.
    15. What names have you used [with the entities
    in 14]?
    16. How many identities have you used to enter (or depart from) United States of America? If more than one, why?
    17. How many identities have you used to enter (or depart from) Australia? If more than one, why?
    18. How many identities have you used to enter (or depart from) New Zealand? If more than one, why?
    19. How many offshore registered companies do you currently own? If any, where?
    20. How many offshore registered companies have you owned? If any, where?

    The letter reveals knowledge of at least two international criminal investigations into Yang Liu, or whoever he really is, and further asks:

    “Apart from America and Australia, have you visited any other country in the last five years? If yes, why were they omitted from your application form?”

    Gambo’s letter concludes with a warning that it’s a criminal offence under s27 of the Citizenship Act to “knowingly or recklessly provide a false statement or submit false/forged documents in support of your citizenship application.”

    XXXXXXX

    If the DIA had that level of concern over Liu, it is inconceivable that a minister could have over-riden the officials, yet that is exactly what happened here. Both Jones and Cunliffe have a LOT of questions to answer, IMHO.

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  17. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    Furthermore, the spineless Tories have helped and supported the worst wreckers, like Clark and Cullen, to get plum jobs and sinecures

    … have to agree with you there..JK dropped several points in my book when he gave HC the thumbs up ( and $$ ) for the UN role..and the great cheque writer Kullen gets a boys role at NZ Post…people have good memories come election time..

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  18. LUCY (359 comments) says:

    Calling Shane Jones et al to account for this blatant abuse of power would demonstrate to future governments that there will be consequences for such abuse of power. The chance of it happening under this administration unfortunately is nil.

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  19. trout (939 comments) says:

    Follow the money. Did Liu bankroll Matauri X or some other ill fated Maori venture in the North? Undoubtedly a case of cash for citizenship. It stinks.

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  20. Ross Miller (1,704 comments) says:

    Gueez wept …. Liu arrested and charged and some of our rabid anti tory posters blame National for not doing enough.

    Question …. do you honestly think that if Labour was still in power Liu would have been arrested.

    Answer …. is Shane Jones a corrupt Labour Party political hack who did as his Party wanted.

    Question …. will this damage his political career.

    Answer …. Jones is a lazy arrogant politician who enjoyed an armchair ride into Parliament but gained a deserved repution as a lightweight Minister. I would be suprised if he had much personal support in the Labour caucus. Interesting to see how this plays out.

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  21. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    You’re right Ross – Jones is a lightweight, and is probably only a contender for Labour’s leadership in his own imagination. However, National should now have Cunliffe in its sights. Firstly there was his control-freakery over Baygate, and now this. National should be demanding answers as to why Cunliffe over-rode the advice from his departmental officials who knew that Liu was a dodgy character, and wanted his residence revoked. Had Cunliffe followed the advice of his officials instead of following the party line, Liu might well have been deported and the whole question of citizenship would have become academic.

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  22. johnbt (90 comments) says:

    Is that the same Shane Jones who was (is?) picking up an extra $70 or $80k of taxpayers money for being on some board to do with fishing? He sounds a bit fishy to me anyway. And an arrogant prick to boot.

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  23. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    The very same johnbt – the Maori Fisheries Commission, if my memory serves me correctly. It took him at least a year to get around to resigning, during wehich time he was double-dipping.

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  24. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    What about the owen glen affair?

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  25. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    perhaps owen glen’s mistake was not bribing everybody he! he! he!

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  26. lilman (959 comments) says:

    Am disgusted with this carry on, what crap.
    Key has an option to do some house cleaning here, but I have little faith anything will be done.
    Jones has lond been a disappointment, heard him in a shop one day laughing as his colleague tore strips off a young lady who made a mistake on adding,the language was appauling ,he thought it was funny, me I thought it spoke volumes of the man.
    Dont think this the first or the last, soft touch New Zealand.

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  27. reid (16,471 comments) says:

    … have to agree with you there..JK dropped several points in my book when he gave HC the thumbs up ( and $$ ) for the UN role..and the great cheque writer Kullen gets a boys role at NZ Post…people have good memories come election time..

    Agree in some ways (politically), starboard, but not in others (pragmatically). Clark is a NZer and it helps us to have friends in high places, regardless of stripe. She’s heading for Sec-Gen, make no mistake. As far as Post goes, bear in mind it’s the largest employer in NZ, larger than Fonterra.

    Bolger has to be replaced as Chair, Cullen’s the obvious successor. Post is a complex and valuable business, facing complex external challenges, and it does therefore take an astute person to Chair it. Cullen might be a prick, but he is astute. I suspect that the Cullen appointment was made with the departure of CEO John Allen in mind. Allen is astute, and he provided the horsepower that was lacking from Bolger’s appointment (Bolger’s not to be underestimated but he’s a schmoozer, not a business titan). Now that Allen’s left, and Bolger’s about to retire in a few years, Cullen will move in and provide that wonderful mind of his toward the challenges facing that business.

    Apologies for the off-topic.

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  28. starboard (2,537 comments) says:

    Cullen will move in and provide that wonderful mind of his toward the challenges facing that business.

    ..like spending almost a billion on a train set thats worth 350 million…your gota be fucking joking man…hes a prick and he should be in jail…and dont start me on that slag klark…

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  29. georgedarroch (317 comments) says:

    Shane Jones should explain why he took these extraordinary steps, and if he doesn’t, he should resign. I wonder what more evidence will reveal?

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  30. georgedarroch (317 comments) says:

    Oh, and you people who scream “corruption!!!!11!!1!” left right and centre, shame on you. Because there is real corruption around – people getting money from sources and then trading it for policy or influence.

    But everything the last Government did was “corrupt!!!1!!!11!” in your eyes, so actual proper forms of corruption are often missed in the midst of your noise. No-one listens to the boy who cries wolf.

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  31. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Nice to see the media are all over this story today. NOT.
    The HoS would rather sermonise about who Richard Worth threw his beans up while ignoring a story that could involve ministers of the crown taking favours from a criiminal and ignoring the strong recomendations of their departments.
    What a complete shower of shit our politicians and newspapers are.

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  32. bringbackthebiff (99 comments) says:

    Oh how oh how can we bring those responsible to justice. It all seems so sadly unlikely to happen. I am sure if I complicit in such acts of fraud, my a#$e would be nailed to a wall. That this is headed towards the lumpy carpet is intolerable.

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