Anti-Bain group

August 22nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

A group of people who believe killed his family are launching a fight to prevent him getting any compensation or inheritance money. …

Mr Bain’s supporters, who say his father Robin killed the family members and then took his own life, have said they would seek compensation from the state for his years in prison.

But Justice For Robin Bain, formed from the Facebook group David Bain Is Guilty, is lobbying to prevent this happening.

The Facebook group is here, and a website here.

I think and hope the group is un-necessary as I think the chances of being able to prove David innocent on balance of probability (as oppossed to the inability to prove him guilty beyond reasonable doubt) is remarkably small.

In fact I am doubtful that Bain will make an application through the normal channels, as this will lead to a QC producing a report which will make a judgement as to who is more likely to have killed the Bain family – David or Robin. And that will be a pretty damning report I suggest.

I suspect the Bain camp will claim the rules are unfair, and will launch a campaign for compensation to be granted without going through the normal process. I may be wrong of course – time will tell.

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24 Responses to “Anti-Bain group”

  1. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    As far as the inheritance goes, outsiders should not interfere. It seems the wider family is taking legal advice on this and hence may well settle with David in private. The legal criteria concerning the inheritance may be different from those concerning compensation.

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  2. joeAverage (311 comments) says:

    God let David get on with his life. WHO cares now

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  3. panda (13 comments) says:

    I do if he profits

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  4. Jack5 (5,007 comments) says:

    The new Facebrook group to oppose more taxpayer expenditure on Bain should be welcomed, especially after the farcical jury behaviour at and after the second Bain trial. The new group may balance the lobbying campaign that will come from the Karam clique and the Bain groupies.

    What is it with Bain any way? He doesn’t take the witness stand at his trial, he can’t speak to the media afterwards (his throat seizes up after a few phrases), and now he’s on the Riviera or thereabouts while Karam knocks on Government doors with the donation tin. Surely it’s not that Karam wants to keep him at a safe distance?

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  5. TripeWryter (715 comments) says:

    Last week The Dominion Post had an editorial that all but said (but in deniable language, I guess), that he did it, and it advised him not to pursue compensation because he would be subject to a higher standard of proof. It cited the Rex Haig case as an example.

    It’s a funny old thing: for years I fervently believed he didn’t do it. Couldn’t have done it. The late Frank Haden had even written stories in the old Dominion and in the Sunday Times about how even prisoners had largely left Bain alone because they somehow know he didn’t do it. But then, if Robin had done it, he came up with an odd way to shoot himself in the head, after having first changed his clothes.
    But, it’s all irrelevant now, I guess. A jury found that David didn’t do it.

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  6. Alan Wilkinson (1,866 comments) says:

    The only certainty is that there is no certainty.

    I still think the odds are strong that Robin did it and that is where I would put my money if there was any possible way of discovering the truth and deciding the bet.

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  7. Chuck Bird (4,830 comments) says:

    “A jury found that David didn’t do it.”

    I hope you never serve on a jury. They found no such thing.

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  8. Grizz (244 comments) says:

    What deal did Joe Karem do with David over redistribution of compensation monies. I am sure the Karem household would not go without!

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  9. BlairM (2,317 comments) says:

    I wouldn’t describe us as “anti-Bain”. We are pro-Bain – pro-Laniet, Arawa, Stephen, Margaret and Robin!

    The retrial is over and David has his freedom, so nothing can be done about that. Our purpose is to stop him from profiting from the murders. We hope he does the right thing and rules out seeking compensation or his inheritance.

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  10. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    As far as the inheritance goes, outsiders should not interfere.

    True, unless it’s the PM and the inheritance involved is that of Ed Hillary.

    Hey, here’s an idea. Why doesn’t the PM mediate on this dispute? After all, it’s very high profile and has the nation’s interest.

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  11. chiz (1,133 comments) says:

    DPF:the chances of being able to prove David innocent on balance of probability (as oppossed to the inability to prove him guilty beyond reasonable doubt)

    The christchurch star yesterday quoted Karam as saying that the jury had found David innocent on balance of probability proving, as many of us suspect, that Karam is a little confused about things.

    DPF:In fact I am doubtful that Bain will make an application through the normal channels, as this will lead to a QC producing a report which will make a judgement as to who is more likely to have killed the Bain family

    Don’t forget – Karam and others are True believers. They think that any such report by a QC will, of course, exonerate David.

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  12. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    BlairM ,

    Bain’s inheritance has nothing to do with you, absolutely nothing. You just can’t make a platform on it.

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  13. TripeWryter (715 comments) says:

    “A jury found that David didn’t do it.”

    I hope you never serve on a jury. They found no such thing.

    Quite right, Chuck, and I’ve given you a thumbs up rating for it.

    I realised after I had posted (out walking to Iron Maiden) that I should have said that a jury was not convinced beyond reasonable doubt.

    How’s that?

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  14. ernesto (257 comments) says:

    Chatter (I know..just chatter), but well informed chatter, is that the Bain estate ($600K in 1995) is now valued at over $2m. If he gets that much he might not worry about the humiliation that is bound to result from any application for government compo.

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  15. peterwn (3,239 comments) says:

    Gooner – The Bain inheritance matter is a private thing and there are plenty of mediators to help if need be without needing the PM’s help.

    On the other hand the PM might possibly get involved in any Bain compensation payment. If there was strong public opinion that he should get compensation, the PM may choose to get involved.

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  16. BlairM (2,317 comments) says:

    Bain’s inheritance has nothing to do with you, absolutely nothing. You just can’t make a platform on it.

    I can do as I damn well please! It is an issue of justice and concern for the Bain and Cullen families. I don’t want them to have to dig into their own pockets for lawyers to defend their money against a murderer. Basic human compassion suggests I should make it my business – as long as the family are happy to have others’ help.

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  17. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “as long as the family are happy to have others’ help.”

    The only reason the family would want your help is if they were swindling David.

    I would surmise if David is granted reparations, he will be allowed his rightful inheritance and there will be nothing you or his family will be able to do about it.

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  18. BlairM (2,317 comments) says:

    Mr Wikiriwhi,

    You are entitled to your opinion, however ill informed and incredulous it may be.

    But did you ever consider why it was that David’s extended family supported his prosecution?

    They of all people knew the character of the two men under suspicion. They made up their mind accordingly. That alone should tell you there is something greatly wrong with your assesment, and your callous slander of them and their motives.

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  19. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    I agree that no one here is against David Bain at all, I joined the Anti-Bain Facebook group in utter disgust at the Justice system for its failures on the case…
    What we are AGAINST is the NZ Justice system failing to make a valid prosecution – guilty or innocence. Neither being reached confidently at the retrial. Because of this David Bain is now a free man (a very bizarre one indeed).

    We can not afford to take a guess around such a sensitive and publicly controversial issue – we need to get to the bottom of this and sooner rather than later or the tax bank will soon run dry in compensation after compensation. As a law student I was recently told by my professor that the chances of such a case re occurring are quite high and more cracks in the justice system are not what we need right now!

    JUSTICE for all the Bain’s is all we argue for!

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  20. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    I place my faith completely on Joe Karam’s long standing and intimate assessment of Bain.

    There was no way Karam could have kept top priority support and spent a small fortune defending Bain unless he was air tight.

    the Lord’s High Justice agreed and karam listened as they spoke his defence cause practically word for word.

    That speaks volumes above irrational family feelings.

    and inheritances can’t go to dead people

    Neither can prosecutions.

    Between David and his father, who ever lived that day was going to jail.

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  21. hiphip (92 comments) says:

    wikiriwhis. Has it ever occurred to you karam may be deranged? Such obsessive behaviour in spite of the facts – which show David Bain killed 2 sisters, 1 brother, and 2 parents – is a worrying sign. Of course David Bain cannot be rewarded for his actions. He is lucky to be free. Bain must not get anything from anyone. Congratulations to the group which stands up for justice – Justice For Robin Bain. David Bain was not the only one who deserved to stay !!

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  22. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    hiphip,

    Joe karam is not deranged. Neither are the Lord High Justices who concurred with his every point.

    Neither was the guy I heard on Radio Pacific who stated he was talking with Bain at the time of the murders on the paper round. Bain’s lawyer felt his testimoney had no substance which is understandable.

    Certainly the two detectives prosecuting Bain who lost their defamation case against Karam showed the man isn’t deranged. They haven’t uttered a word since. ( A lot of people forgot this happened)

    I will say I don’t think David was a full picnic. THe way he handled his stress was unconventional, no doubt about that.

    I believe the tragedy showed the ravages of a mature adult who had been pushed over the edge. Someone who was wise in his own conceits. Not a socially impaired young man who had never shown criminal traits to his nearest.

    I don’t believe his family have ever been his dearest and they certainly prove that up to date.

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  23. Haiku Dave (273 comments) says:

    i’d join that group, but
    for the fact dave might track me
    down and slaughter me

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  24. wolfjung (59 comments) says:

    Its really sad that there is still people out there blinded by Joe Karam’s crusade. The man did an equally good job as Joseph Goebbels in blinding a nation to murder.

    I suggest wiki you go read the full released court documents, I direct you in particular to the evidence given (now deceased) by Dr. Pryde. Though I suspect much like Joe Karam you will dismiss it as injuries inflicted while installing guttering. It seems to be very selective what Joe Karam has chosen to explain.

    http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/r-v-bain-3

    The objections of the defence relate to the following aspects of his brief:
    (a) When describing his examination of the appellant, Dr Pryde says:
    I noticed recent bruising to his right temple which measured
    about three square centimetres in area.
    I also noticed recent bruising above his right eye which
    measured approximately one centimetre by half a
    centimetre.
    (b) Dr Pryde noted another bruise on the appellant’s right cheek, and also
    a skinned abrasion area on the appellant’s right knee. At the end of
    his brief he makes this observation:
    During the course of the examination I asked David Bain if
    he could tell me how the various injuries had occurred.
    He was unable to explain the injuries and he said that he did
    not know.

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