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		<title>By: Shunda barunda</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595878</link>
		<dc:creator>Shunda barunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sick to friggin death of this male bashing sh!t.</description>
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		<title>By: Buggerlugs</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595786</link>
		<dc:creator>Buggerlugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It is not Tara’s fault that she is a victim of colonial oppression.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, so the guy who gave her the bash was a Pom then?</description>
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<p>Oh, so the guy who gave her the bash was a Pom then?</p>
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		<title>By: TelPrydain</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595593</link>
		<dc:creator>TelPrydain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true. We are all the same, we all live in a great country, we all have hopes and dreams.

I&#039;m just not sure I get the point. It&#039;s a little like saying water is wet - anyone who looks for themselves can see.
But then again, this looks like it&#039;s aimed at a specific kind of woman, the kind who are not likely to read here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true. We are all the same, we all live in a great country, we all have hopes and dreams.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not sure I get the point. It&#8217;s a little like saying water is wet &#8211; anyone who looks for themselves can see.<br />
But then again, this looks like it&#8217;s aimed at a specific kind of woman, the kind who are not likely to read here.</p>
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		<title>By: Razork</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595456</link>
		<dc:creator>Razork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything written under the name Tara te Heke now gets the same treatment as anything written by PhilU.

Next please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything written under the name Tara te Heke now gets the same treatment as anything written by PhilU.</p>
<p>Next please.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595444</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ari - Tara says she was 19 when she met her husband at a freezing works.  Having worked in one once I can tell you there were no shy retiring types that I ever saw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari &#8211; Tara says she was 19 when she met her husband at a freezing works.  Having worked in one once I can tell you there were no shy retiring types that I ever saw.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595424</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ari – be careful – you might be engaging in group think there. Failing the condoms there is also a range of oral contraceptives available free to women, which given the amount of money spent on education and the pamphlets available at every chemist and doctor and written in many different languages, means that there should be virtually no reason for a woman to get kncoked up. In Tara’s case she wanted each and every kid – they were attempts to get her partner to stop hitting her. At least that is what I took from her post.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Same issue- if you&#039;re discouraged from using birth control by your family, don&#039;t know where to get it, don&#039;t have the self-confidence, etc... then it&#039;s entirely possible you&#039;ll not be prepared by the time you become sexually active.

The issue with our education around contraception is that it&#039;s primarily aimed at the people who&#039;re already recieving the message, not the ones who really need it.

And yeah, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right about Tara. I was merely replying to a comment directly. :)

&lt;blockquote&gt;Like the Brethren were able to do? Talk about witch hunting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Brethren could have come out directly whenever they wanted without any more fear of demonisation than any other New Zealander, and I&#039;m sure they would&#039;ve gotten just as fair a hearing as any of the MMP parties get. The problem was they choose to run a paralell campaign with explicit authorisation from the then-National Party leader, with no accountability or transparency. I don&#039;t think Kiwis don&#039;t mind people having their say in an election campaign, but they want big campaigns to be honest about where they come from, who they are, and where they got any money they spent, and they want a reliable way to get in touch with people running campaigns. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s unfair, and I don&#039;t think any of those conditions challenges free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ari – be careful – you might be engaging in group think there. Failing the condoms there is also a range of oral contraceptives available free to women, which given the amount of money spent on education and the pamphlets available at every chemist and doctor and written in many different languages, means that there should be virtually no reason for a woman to get kncoked up. In Tara’s case she wanted each and every kid – they were attempts to get her partner to stop hitting her. At least that is what I took from her post.</p></blockquote>
<p>Same issue- if you&#8217;re discouraged from using birth control by your family, don&#8217;t know where to get it, don&#8217;t have the self-confidence, etc&#8230; then it&#8217;s entirely possible you&#8217;ll not be prepared by the time you become sexually active.</p>
<p>The issue with our education around contraception is that it&#8217;s primarily aimed at the people who&#8217;re already recieving the message, not the ones who really need it.</p>
<p>And yeah, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right about Tara. I was merely replying to a comment directly. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>Like the Brethren were able to do? Talk about witch hunting.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Brethren could have come out directly whenever they wanted without any more fear of demonisation than any other New Zealander, and I&#8217;m sure they would&#8217;ve gotten just as fair a hearing as any of the MMP parties get. The problem was they choose to run a paralell campaign with explicit authorisation from the then-National Party leader, with no accountability or transparency. I don&#8217;t think Kiwis don&#8217;t mind people having their say in an election campaign, but they want big campaigns to be honest about where they come from, who they are, and where they got any money they spent, and they want a reliable way to get in touch with people running campaigns. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s unfair, and I don&#8217;t think any of those conditions challenges free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
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		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tauhei

That&#039;s gold mate!!!</description>
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<p>That&#8217;s gold mate!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tauhei Notts</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595420</link>
		<dc:creator>Tauhei Notts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A large number of men are plainly just Arseholes.  The low lifes of society.
That is not rocket science.  It is an easily and readily learned fact.
Then, why in the name of Christ, do we spend so much time reading about dumb women who spread their legs for those low lifes then get treated as any low life can be expected to treat a female.
In my youth I saw women queuing up, to get a vagina full of cock from the low lifes.  And now when I read about their complaints I become nauseous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A large number of men are plainly just Arseholes.  The low lifes of society.<br />
That is not rocket science.  It is an easily and readily learned fact.<br />
Then, why in the name of Christ, do we spend so much time reading about dumb women who spread their legs for those low lifes then get treated as any low life can be expected to treat a female.<br />
In my youth I saw women queuing up, to get a vagina full of cock from the low lifes.  And now when I read about their complaints I become nauseous.</p>
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		<title>By: jcuknz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcuknz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;backster (209) Vote:  3   6   Says:August 11th, 2009 at 12:05 pm 
Maori lived together with their family in peace surrounded by aroha and their Taonga.  So back off all you white racists and feel sorry for Tara.&lt;&lt;&lt;
Pull the other leg backster, or else read some historical accounts of pre-Pak life.  Hardly peaceful with tribes killing each off and making the defeated women slaves.   It didn&#039;t start when Pakeha sold them muskets ... that just made it less a male macho sport and a real killing field ... at least that is as how I have read it.   I do support your final comment, though that is what this forum is all about  [formenting happy mischief]... a venue for them to vent their spleen without causeing too much trouble somewhat like the feminist and leftwing blogs.  A safety value that most of us seem to need, so long as one doesn&#039;t take it too seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;backster (209) Vote:  3   6   Says:August 11th, 2009 at 12:05 pm<br />
Maori lived together with their family in peace surrounded by aroha and their Taonga.  So back off all you white racists and feel sorry for Tara.&lt;&lt;&lt;<br />
Pull the other leg backster, or else read some historical accounts of pre-Pak life.  Hardly peaceful with tribes killing each off and making the defeated women slaves.   It didn&#039;t start when Pakeha sold them muskets &#8230; that just made it less a male macho sport and a real killing field &#8230; at least that is as how I have read it.   I do support your final comment, though that is what this forum is all about  [formenting happy mischief]&#8230; a venue for them to vent their spleen without causeing too much trouble somewhat like the feminist and leftwing blogs.  A safety value that most of us seem to need, so long as one doesn&#039;t take it too seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarkozygroupie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarkozygroupie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ari

&quot;Free speech is about being able to make political comments without fear.&quot;  

Like the Brethren were able to do?  Talk about witch hunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari</p>
<p>&#8220;Free speech is about being able to make political comments without fear.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Like the Brethren were able to do?  Talk about witch hunting.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595390</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ari - be careful - you might be engaging in group think there.  Failing the condoms there is also a range of oral contraceptives available free to women, which given the amount of money spent on education and the pamphlets available at every chemist and doctor and written in many different languages, means that there should be virtually no reason for a woman to get kncoked up.  In Tara&#039;s case she wanted each and every kid - they were attempts to get her partner to stop hitting her.  At least that is what I took from her post.  

These headline posts were meant to provoke - why people are surprised there is a backlash is beyond me.  Responsible people HATE hearing irresponsible ones whinging about their predicament and seeking &quot;recognition&quot;, &quot;understanding&quot; or &quot;empahy&quot;.  How hard is that to grasp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari &#8211; be careful &#8211; you might be engaging in group think there.  Failing the condoms there is also a range of oral contraceptives available free to women, which given the amount of money spent on education and the pamphlets available at every chemist and doctor and written in many different languages, means that there should be virtually no reason for a woman to get kncoked up.  In Tara&#8217;s case she wanted each and every kid &#8211; they were attempts to get her partner to stop hitting her.  At least that is what I took from her post.  </p>
<p>These headline posts were meant to provoke &#8211; why people are surprised there is a backlash is beyond me.  Responsible people HATE hearing irresponsible ones whinging about their predicament and seeking &#8220;recognition&#8221;, &#8220;understanding&#8221; or &#8220;empahy&#8221;.  How hard is that to grasp.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errr, of course, 99% is the figure if a condom is applied correctly. Sadly the concentration of people unable to apply a condom properly is likely to be much higher among people having sex in state houses. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr, of course, 99% is the figure if a condom is applied correctly. Sadly the concentration of people unable to apply a condom properly is likely to be much higher among people having sex in state houses. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595383</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t condoms work inside state houses?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only as often as they work elsewhere- which is to say, 99% of the time, if you&#039;ve been given the confidence, information, and means to get them.

I should also point out that as the condom is the only directly male-controlled means of birth control, I wouldn&#039;t be handing responsibility for them over to women quite so quickly if I were you. Sexual agency is something men desperately need to hang on to.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It seems that these feminist witches just cannot handle free speech at all, indeed, it seems that every left wing site will delete anything that does not agree with their fucked up view of the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s a difference between free speech and insulting and intimidating people with groupthink. Free speech is about being able to make political comments without fear. It&#039;s not about being able to bash whoever you like in a game of ad-hominem. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don’t condoms work inside state houses?</p></blockquote>
<p>Only as often as they work elsewhere- which is to say, 99% of the time, if you&#8217;ve been given the confidence, information, and means to get them.</p>
<p>I should also point out that as the condom is the only directly male-controlled means of birth control, I wouldn&#8217;t be handing responsibility for them over to women quite so quickly if I were you. Sexual agency is something men desperately need to hang on to.</p>
<blockquote><p>It seems that these feminist witches just cannot handle free speech at all, indeed, it seems that every left wing site will delete anything that does not agree with their fucked up view of the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between free speech and insulting and intimidating people with groupthink. Free speech is about being able to make political comments without fear. It&#8217;s not about being able to bash whoever you like in a game of ad-hominem. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595380</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note that the feminazi witches at the handmirror have commented on this post by our fake contributor, they even suggest that DPF needs to clamp down on what they class as &quot;unacceptable comments&quot;

It seems that these feminist witches just cannot handle free speech at all, indeed, it seems that every left wing site will delete anything that does not agree with their fucked up view of the world.

And they wonder why they were tossed our of power....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note that the feminazi witches at the handmirror have commented on this post by our fake contributor, they even suggest that DPF needs to clamp down on what they class as &#8220;unacceptable comments&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems that these feminist witches just cannot handle free speech at all, indeed, it seems that every left wing site will delete anything that does not agree with their fucked up view of the world.</p>
<p>And they wonder why they were tossed our of power&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Don’t condoms work inside state houses?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be the free ones that women can get from Family Planning and other sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don’t condoms work inside state houses?</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be the free ones that women can get from Family Planning and other sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595366</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My friends and I discuss how lucky John Key is that he couldn’t get pregnant while living in a State House.&quot;

Don&#039;t condoms work inside state houses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My friends and I discuss how lucky John Key is that he couldn’t get pregnant while living in a State House.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t condoms work inside state houses?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595360</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>backster - good one :)

Just to note - I wasn&#039;t allowed to speak Italian at school either.  Maori not being able to speak Maori at school didn&#039;t stop their family talking it at home for the other 18 hours a day.  Give me a better excuse please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>backster &#8211; good one <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Just to note &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t allowed to speak Italian at school either.  Maori not being able to speak Maori at school didn&#8217;t stop their family talking it at home for the other 18 hours a day.  Give me a better excuse please.</p>
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		<title>By: snowy</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They did not spack their children by way of correction.&quot;

And look how they behaved when they grew up - They killed their enemies, then cooked and ate them and decorated their pa with shruken heads!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They did not spack their children by way of correction.&#8221;</p>
<p>And look how they behaved when they grew up &#8211; They killed their enemies, then cooked and ate them and decorated their pa with shruken heads!</p>
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		<title>By: backster</title>
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		<dc:creator>backster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of racist comments on this thread. It is not Tara&#039;s fault that she is a victim of colonial oppression. Her families lands were stolen from her. Her ancestors were not allowed to speak Maori at school and if they did they got the strap.She was picked on by the teachers because her skin was brown.Before the Pakeha came Maori lived together with their family in peace surrounded by aroha and their Taonga. There was no family violence.They did not spack their children by way of correction.Pakeha broke the treaty and stole their lands and oppressed them. So back off all you white racists and feel sorry for Tara.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of racist comments on this thread. It is not Tara&#8217;s fault that she is a victim of colonial oppression. Her families lands were stolen from her. Her ancestors were not allowed to speak Maori at school and if they did they got the strap.She was picked on by the teachers because her skin was brown.Before the Pakeha came Maori lived together with their family in peace surrounded by aroha and their Taonga. There was no family violence.They did not spack their children by way of correction.Pakeha broke the treaty and stole their lands and oppressed them. So back off all you white racists and feel sorry for Tara.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/middle_class_witches.html#comment-595279</link>
		<dc:creator>CraigM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought about it since this was posted and decided I will comment on it, even though the thread is (deservedly) dead.

True or not, it is IMHO a steaming pile of sanctimonious crap. Penned by someone who deems herself pious enough to make ridiculous generalisations and play on a small sample of stereotypes.

Two words: personal responsibility.
Two more: pride, determination.

Two words you do know: victim, pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought about it since this was posted and decided I will comment on it, even though the thread is (deservedly) dead.</p>
<p>True or not, it is IMHO a steaming pile of sanctimonious crap. Penned by someone who deems herself pious enough to make ridiculous generalisations and play on a small sample of stereotypes.</p>
<p>Two words: personal responsibility.<br />
Two more: pride, determination.</p>
<p>Two words you do know: victim, pity.</p>
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