Shipping Containers Cells
August 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar
I saw these in Hawaii and tried to persuade the local authorities they should send them to Judith Collins to become the new Auckland Prison.
The Dom Post reports:
Corrections Minister Judith Collins is tipped to announce today a rollout of shipping container cells to cope with a burgeoning prison population.
Corrections has been trialling four prototype cells at Rimutaka Prison and Mrs Collins has made it clear that she sees shipping containers as a low-cost solution to the prison muster crisis.
The containers cost $63,000 to convert, a fraction of the $643,000 cost per bed at the newly built Springhill Prison in Meremere, south of Auckland. Corrections say the containers can be built quickly, potentially using prison labour.
Well they certainly look secure to me. Maybe they can let prisoners choose their preferred colour.
I think stacking them vertically is worth considering also. Takes up less land, and probably much harder to escape from if you are 10 feet up. Especially if they greased the lower levels.
August 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Could make extradition orders easier, too!
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
These no doubt, are being prepared for the coming internment camps already spoken of in the UK and US.
They are not meant as permanent living quarters if you know what I mean.
Quick turn overs anticipated.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
“choose their preferred colour?” Prisoners have no choice.
Vote:Paint them all pink
August 27th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
How big is Comrade Bradfords back yard? We could deliver a few finished, max-security populated cells on her birthday.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Will they have family units for the parents who get locked up for disciplining their kids? (it’s OK, John Key will change the law after this happens though).
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
I think Mr Key should legislate to keep a high percentage of these contrivances reserved for Mana Whenua.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
67k to convert? that much for a window and a mattress??
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
The comparison of the 63k with the 643k is comparing apples with oranges. The 643k includes surrounding walls, earthworks (over 1 million m³ of dirt was moved at Springhill in a difficult geotechnical situation), security, infrastructure etc. and the extensive correctional aspects of the facility gym, fale and wharenui etc. Comparision should be on the cost of one stand alone concrete cell which would be considerably less than 643k quoted.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Perhaps we could contract out our prison management to China and ship the prisoners across in their personal cell ? If we organised the loading of the containers correctly may well lose some over the side during storms and get rid of a few rapists, gang members, drug dealers and murderers.
Speaking of cunning plans I see that the Orca has managed to secure the services of Lisa Lewis and Barnsley Bill for his new blog : Gotcha ?
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
They will be handy for deporting crooks, too. Just truck ‘em to the wharf.
And rather than fly convicts around the country in chartered planes (as happens now), just ship them at cheap back-load rates to the new prison.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Can Paula write a letter to make sure her son in law doesnt end up living in one?
National – tough on crime (unless the crim is related to an MP)
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
All ideas should be part of the plan.
I do wonder at the number of beds we’ll need in the next 10yrs and the replacement of the old facilities whether it wouldn’t be better to have a central plant making concrete units for the entire country like they do in the USA.
That way we can get cheapest cost and partity of facilities across the country.
http://www.oldcastleprecast.com/plants/Modular/products/buildingsystems/correctional/Pages/5SidedCell.aspx
Vote:http://www.theconcreteproducer.com/industry-news.asp?sectionID=1423&articleID=250565
http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/greg7896/kentucky~1.html
http://www.precast.org/weekly/pages/index_021007.htm
August 27th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Why does it cost $63,000 to bang a set of bunks, a hose connection, a bucket and a table and two chairs into a container?
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
If you really misbehave, you could become “the man in the iron Maersk” (credit to Jim Hopkins).
Who was that maersked man?
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
If they are stacked they will need stairs for access so guards simply wheel them out of the way [ like loading stairs at airports]when access is not required. Else they use forklifts perhaps. Really I think the money would be better spend on keeping crims out of prison, and on anti-re-offending programmes for those inside.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
jcuknz, you just don’t get it do you?
Vote:For some prison is a holiday, they like it there with the food, heating, Sky TV and computer provided.
It is not a Hotel, the service needs to make them not want to come back!
August 27th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
What is the point of posting under multiple aliases when we can all see who the person is?
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
make drugs a health issue..
let the drug offenders out of jail..
result..?
no need for containers…at 67k a throw..?..
whoar..!..who’s got that contract..?
a license to print money..eh..?
a new seam-to-work for the prison-industry..eh..?
i thought this government was all about ‘common-sense’..?
wha’ happened..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
legalise posession of all drugs…(most of which cause less harm than alcohol..)
..and we have no crowded prisons problem/no need for $67 grand containers.eh..?
..can the argument be made any simpler..?
..oh..!mexico followed portugals’ lead..cos’ it has been such a raging success for portugal..
..the numbers of burglaries/low-level-crime..to feed blackmarket drug habits..have gone through the floor..
..women are not forced into prostitution..thru drug-issues..
..the police can focus on serious/real crime..
they are happy..
…the insurance companies are happy..(less claims thru drop in crime rates..)
the punters are happy..leess crime/safer streets..
it’s a win-win..!
and here..?..
lock-em-up..!
let them be prostitutes..!
let them burglarise/steal cars/property/shoplift etc..etc..
i repeat..!
narcotics addiction is not a justice issue..it is a health issue..
..the irrational prohibitionist regime creates that blackmarket/nurturer/life-line of gangs..
..are what make it currently a justice issue..
some sanity around these issues..
..would end our need for those $67 grand inmate-containers..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
What about links between drug addiction and welfare dependency philu?
Vote:Are average kiwis going to be pleased to be paying more in taxes so beneficiaries can sit on their arse blowing smoke around their childrens environment…?
August 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
How about using them like the Afghani’s do. 200 to a cell and leave them in the desert for a few days. Problem solved.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
what about the costs..?
how much does it cost to keep a prisoner for a year..?
how much is pissed away on law-enforcement..?
what about our high levels of low-level crime..?
what about our women..with what is a health-issue..forced into lives of prostitution..?
what about all those questions nckb..?
add that total cost up..!
..whoar..!
..madness..!..utter madness..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Philu:
How do you reconcile legal possession of all drugs, which you’re shamelessly advocating on this thread, with your track record as “ex con (armed robbery of chemist shop whilst going through smack withdrawels) [sic]“?
I suppose you’re a fan of happy-clappy drug use combined with harm minimisation programmes (is that what goes for Green-speak these days)?
Also, for those opposed, is the alternative to shipping container cells to allow new prison construction without the shackles of the Resource Management Act?
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Nomestradamus – His benefit didn’t include drug vouchers, so his armed robbery was really just taking what would have rightfully his, had the welfare state really cared. And the problems he was experiencing at the time were, and remain, the fault of society, colonization, planetary alignment and the local parking warden.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Well – if it’s good enough for a Design lecturer in Wellington it should be good enough for our precious crims.
http://www.sharearchitecture.co.nz/pics-wellington-container-house-p-130.html
Truth be known if this was implemented under Labour’s watch that’s probably how they would be kitted out as well!
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
How the hell does it cost 63k to turn a shipping container into a prison cell?, not even my Mrs could spend that much money on one room.
Although I applaud the work of Crusher Collins she needs to tell the human rights wankers and prison staff (I refuse to call then corrections officers) to fuck off, as MT Tinman said, chuck in a bed, a bucket to piss and shit in, another fill of fresh water and leave the vermin alone.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
lol exactly bruv.
Vote:Are they going to start building entire prison blocks out of them in the future? Fuck this insulated, central floor heating, sky tv shit
August 27th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
no answers to those questions..eh nckb..?
(figures..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
What about these questions Phool…
How much of our money do you get every week?
How much of our money do you spend on dope?
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
“..Are average kiwis going to be pleased to be paying more in taxes..”
no..do the maths..!
..no enforcement costs..
..no imprisoning costs..
..and a positive tax-take from cannabis..
it’s ‘fiscally-positive’..(as they say..)
..and by a very large margin..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Philu:
Right. So we pay you the DPB, you spend some of the DPB on dope, and pay tax on your dope consumption?
All it amounts to is a partial refund of your DPB to the taxpayers, that is, other people who slave away and pay their taxes so you can spend all day blogging. What’s fiscally-positive about that?
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
you aren’t really as stupid/uncomprehending as you pretend.?..are you..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Anyone who states that these containers will be “slums” is a moron. Many workers in Australia spend 6-9 months of the year in these containers and most find them pretty reasonable.
Vote:August 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Sector 7g,
Vote:Containers are far too good for the scum of the planet.
Stop feeding the parisites. Jail is not a hotel
August 27th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Oh Phool,
Vote:That noise you hear is Gluteus Max knocking on you door
Look out, look out they are coming for your
stupid prick
August 28th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Phil is right thogh….why are drug users and deallers clogging up our jails? We need that space for real criminals….you know….ones who have victims.
Vote:August 28th, 2009 at 1:38 am
..then you have that senile old git Peter Williams QC ( I know what QC stands for ) blowin on about slum prisons and how bad things are gona get…go fuck yaself Williams ya queer old apologist for rapists , murderers , kiddie fiddlers. You make me sick.
Vote:August 28th, 2009 at 2:27 am
Philu, drugs are illegal because people who take them become unproductive and a drain on society. They stop working, leech off the welfare system, and inevitably spiral out of control and commit criminal offenses. Some even rob at gunpoint.
Vote:August 28th, 2009 at 8:06 am
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:27 am
Philu, drugs are illegal because people who take them become unproductive and a drain on society. They stop working, leech off the welfare system, and inevitably spiral out of control and commit criminal offenses. Some even rob at gunpoint..”
are you talking about alcohol there…?
(and is that your ‘drug’ of choice..?..alcohol..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 28th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Where is the wailing for Maori Seats in these fine institutions? Super City, Super Prision. No diff from where I see it. Read into that what you like.
Vote:August 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
“Philu, drugs are illegal because people who take them become unproductive and a drain on society. They stop working, leech off the welfare system, and inevitably spiral out of control and commit criminal offenses. Some even rob at gunpoint.”
Actually I think they were made illegal due to Christian/religious influence on law making…which was common in the dark,primative past.Thats the best reason to legalise drugs….to tell the god botherers to butt out of peoples lives. Law must be secular.
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