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	<title>Comments on: The handheld cellphone in car ban</title>
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		<title>By: Ross.M</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597661</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross.M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, James, the Street Name signage in NZ is not too bad by international standards. (That&#039;s not to say it couldn&#039;t be improved.) It&#039;s every other type of road sign that is crap. The latest trick is to put the motorway off-ramp signs just after the actual off-ramp, usually totally obscured around a bend by a high concrete wall. So if you are not sure where you are going you&#039;re history - because by the time you have seen and read the sign it is already too late.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, James, the Street Name signage in NZ is not too bad by international standards. (That&#8217;s not to say it couldn&#8217;t be improved.) It&#8217;s every other type of road sign that is crap. The latest trick is to put the motorway off-ramp signs just after the actual off-ramp, usually totally obscured around a bend by a high concrete wall. So if you are not sure where you are going you&#8217;re history &#8211; because by the time you have seen and read the sign it is already too late.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597514</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its another piece of fascist nonsense designed to appease the middle ground inbreds that make up NZ.

Personally I think if you really wanted to reduce traffic accidents you would raise the speed limit.I find trying to mantain intrest at 50km an hour impossible and nod off.....the higher the speed the higher the focus on the road.

And our pathetic road signage must kill a fair few a year as well as drivers try and squint in vain to see what streets what...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its another piece of fascist nonsense designed to appease the middle ground inbreds that make up NZ.</p>
<p>Personally I think if you really wanted to reduce traffic accidents you would raise the speed limit.I find trying to mantain intrest at 50km an hour impossible and nod off&#8230;..the higher the speed the higher the focus on the road.</p>
<p>And our pathetic road signage must kill a fair few a year as well as drivers try and squint in vain to see what streets what&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: thedavincimode</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597419</link>
		<dc:creator>thedavincimode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott 

&quot;Texting while driving is common-especially among younger drivers-and definitely should be banned.I cannot think of a more dangerous but more widespread practice.&quot;

Reading maps and newspapers, getting a blow job, eating and having an uncontrollable sneezing fit.

Can&#039;t see why this isn&#039;t careless driving or some such (apart from the last example) and why they actually need a new law.  The really silly thing is that just hanging onto a cell phone is no different to talking to a passenger with one arm off the wheel.  Juggling a cup of coffee and a meal is probably a hell of a lot more dodgy.  The dangerous bit is dialing the number (like texting).  

Maybe they figure that a blanket ban gets rid of the bit that&#039;s actually dangerous, and the rest is just an acceptable inconvenience to stop the keypad punching.  Or mabe that pointless Captain Pugwash lookalike figures he can get his crime-busting stats up.

It will be interesting to see if a ban on fine dining and monitoring current affairs behind the wheel follows.  But I doubt there would be much support from Liabore to ban blowjobs on the move.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott </p>
<p>&#8220;Texting while driving is common-especially among younger drivers-and definitely should be banned.I cannot think of a more dangerous but more widespread practice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reading maps and newspapers, getting a blow job, eating and having an uncontrollable sneezing fit.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t see why this isn&#8217;t careless driving or some such (apart from the last example) and why they actually need a new law.  The really silly thing is that just hanging onto a cell phone is no different to talking to a passenger with one arm off the wheel.  Juggling a cup of coffee and a meal is probably a hell of a lot more dodgy.  The dangerous bit is dialing the number (like texting).  </p>
<p>Maybe they figure that a blanket ban gets rid of the bit that&#8217;s actually dangerous, and the rest is just an acceptable inconvenience to stop the keypad punching.  Or mabe that pointless Captain Pugwash lookalike figures he can get his crime-busting stats up.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if a ban on fine dining and monitoring current affairs behind the wheel follows.  But I doubt there would be much support from Liabore to ban blowjobs on the move.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross.M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross.M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will Steven Joyce bring any more light to transport safety than Harry Duynhoven did? Doesn&#039;t sound like it so far. We need someone with common sense in the position. It may never happen.
Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if the Police could simply enforce the existing laws rather than having to pile new ones on top? We need to know why the existing ones don&#039;t work and fix that.
Texting while driving isn&#039;t quite the &quot;no-brainer&quot; that it might seem. Quite apart from the fact that it is as easy as touch-typing to someone who has grown up with it (and that certainly doesn&#039;t include me), it doesn&#039;t (or shouldn&#039;t) require urgent attention in the same way that a phone conversation might. And there are many other things that we all do every time we drive that take our eyes off the road momentarily.
When you need to concentrate on the road, you can put the phone down (or stop looking at the fuel gauge, or the rear vision mirror, or the speedo, the clock, your tic-tacs....) and resume your text later. But it is quite hard to do that while you are talking on the phone, handsfree or not.
I&#039;m not saying that everybody can  or does text and drive safely, but I have to agree that for me, a modern radio with over a dozen small, odd-shaped, randomly scattered buttons is a far worse distraction than a cellphone. (What happened to knobs?) Accidentally touch the wrong button and you can be unexpectedly blasted by something very loud, distorted and unmusical. (Other times it&#039;s not Michael Laws or J.T, but a music station.) After-market radios are the worst offenders here, but even the original equipment ones can be very confusing. I drive different cars every day and it is not uncommon that I have to stop and spend quite some time finding how to even turn the thing off.
Peter Cresswell is not wrong. Brian Smaller, try renting a car and see how long it takes you to get to grips with the radio.
However, the real problem is that all those idiots we see driving carelessly while talking on their phones are going to be driving carelessly whatever the situation. It&#039;s just that we can see the phone and we assume it is the cause of the distraction.
People who take driving seriously don&#039;t allow themselves to become distracted - well, very rarely. We are soon to be outnumbered by those who just don&#039;t seem to think about the consequences of their actions...
The majority are once again penalised for the actions of the few... (rant.. rant.. rave..rave..)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Steven Joyce bring any more light to transport safety than Harry Duynhoven did? Doesn&#8217;t sound like it so far. We need someone with common sense in the position. It may never happen.<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if the Police could simply enforce the existing laws rather than having to pile new ones on top? We need to know why the existing ones don&#8217;t work and fix that.<br />
Texting while driving isn&#8217;t quite the &#8220;no-brainer&#8221; that it might seem. Quite apart from the fact that it is as easy as touch-typing to someone who has grown up with it (and that certainly doesn&#8217;t include me), it doesn&#8217;t (or shouldn&#8217;t) require urgent attention in the same way that a phone conversation might. And there are many other things that we all do every time we drive that take our eyes off the road momentarily.<br />
When you need to concentrate on the road, you can put the phone down (or stop looking at the fuel gauge, or the rear vision mirror, or the speedo, the clock, your tic-tacs&#8230;.) and resume your text later. But it is quite hard to do that while you are talking on the phone, handsfree or not.<br />
I&#8217;m not saying that everybody can  or does text and drive safely, but I have to agree that for me, a modern radio with over a dozen small, odd-shaped, randomly scattered buttons is a far worse distraction than a cellphone. (What happened to knobs?) Accidentally touch the wrong button and you can be unexpectedly blasted by something very loud, distorted and unmusical. (Other times it&#8217;s not Michael Laws or J.T, but a music station.) After-market radios are the worst offenders here, but even the original equipment ones can be very confusing. I drive different cars every day and it is not uncommon that I have to stop and spend quite some time finding how to even turn the thing off.<br />
Peter Cresswell is not wrong. Brian Smaller, try renting a car and see how long it takes you to get to grips with the radio.<br />
However, the real problem is that all those idiots we see driving carelessly while talking on their phones are going to be driving carelessly whatever the situation. It&#8217;s just that we can see the phone and we assume it is the cause of the distraction.<br />
People who take driving seriously don&#8217;t allow themselves to become distracted &#8211; well, very rarely. We are soon to be outnumbered by those who just don&#8217;t seem to think about the consequences of their actions&#8230;<br />
The majority are once again penalised for the actions of the few&#8230; (rant.. rant.. rave..rave..)</p>
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		<title>By: Glutaemus Maximus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597395</link>
		<dc:creator>Glutaemus Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#  village idiot (247) Vote: Add rating 4  Subtract rating 8   Says:
August 17th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

Glutaemus Maximus said:

“As much as I detest Governmental Interference, this makes perfect sense.”

And thus the same people who denounced (at the top of their lungs) similar proposals by the Labour government, excuse anything the National government does.

Hil-fucken-arious!

Oh go on then, come and regulate my shower pressure! I know you want to.

Still you can take comfortin your Leaders success, and the Parties standing. Saving up for the next election?

Without Owen, that is going to prove very costly. Especially when you actually know yo will get decimated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  village idiot (247) Vote: Add rating 4  Subtract rating 8   Says:<br />
August 17th, 2009 at 12:13 pm</p>
<p>Glutaemus Maximus said:</p>
<p>“As much as I detest Governmental Interference, this makes perfect sense.”</p>
<p>And thus the same people who denounced (at the top of their lungs) similar proposals by the Labour government, excuse anything the National government does.</p>
<p>Hil-fucken-arious!</p>
<p>Oh go on then, come and regulate my shower pressure! I know you want to.</p>
<p>Still you can take comfortin your Leaders success, and the Parties standing. Saving up for the next election?</p>
<p>Without Owen, that is going to prove very costly. Especially when you actually know yo will get decimated.</p>
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		<title>By: Gooner</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597346</link>
		<dc:creator>Gooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The reason for the law change is very simple. Under current legislation the cops are not able to prosecute the idiots who insist on texting while driving. Now they will be able to.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Adolf, the &quot;prosecution&quot; is a $80 fine.  Man, that&#039;s some prosecution!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The reason for the law change is very simple. Under current legislation the cops are not able to prosecute the idiots who insist on texting while driving. Now they will be able to.</p></blockquote>
<p>Adolf, the &#8220;prosecution&#8221; is a $80 fine.  Man, that&#8217;s some prosecution!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gulag Archipelago</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597312</link>
		<dc:creator>Gulag Archipelago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Rode Code

Cellphones

It is recommended that you don&#039;t make or receive phone calls or text messages while you&#039;re driving. Instead, pull over and stop in a safe place at the side of the road before using a cellphone.

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/responsible-driving.html

The recommendation does not work, how many actually do it, very, very few. Labour had the opportunity but lacked the guts to do the obvious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rode Code</p>
<p>Cellphones</p>
<p>It is recommended that you don&#8217;t make or receive phone calls or text messages while you&#8217;re driving. Instead, pull over and stop in a safe place at the side of the road before using a cellphone.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/responsible-driving.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driver-responsibility/responsible-driving.html</a></p>
<p>The recommendation does not work, how many actually do it, very, very few. Labour had the opportunity but lacked the guts to do the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: labrator</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597311</link>
		<dc:creator>labrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;could someone please explain to me how a cop is supposed to tell at a distance whether I am changing the song on my ipod or texting?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d like to know that too. 

What we&#039;re really talking about is judgement impairment while driving. Drinking impairs you so we legally restrict the amount allowed to be consumed. Drugs similarly impair you but testing is a lot harder. All sorts of other things impair people to whilst driving. Including: visibility, sudden or sustained noises, conversations, kids, pets, dirty windshields etc etc. What needs to be decided is what level of impairment is acceptable. 

The banning of cellphones while driving sends out a mixed signal as to what impairments are acceptable. Women putting on makeup in the car while on the motorway is not explicitly illegal, so is that okay? If we&#039;re going to &quot;send a strong signal&quot; then the signal should be clear. We seem to be using the law to send out a lot of signals lately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>could someone please explain to me how a cop is supposed to tell at a distance whether I am changing the song on my ipod or texting?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know that too. </p>
<p>What we&#8217;re really talking about is judgement impairment while driving. Drinking impairs you so we legally restrict the amount allowed to be consumed. Drugs similarly impair you but testing is a lot harder. All sorts of other things impair people to whilst driving. Including: visibility, sudden or sustained noises, conversations, kids, pets, dirty windshields etc etc. What needs to be decided is what level of impairment is acceptable. </p>
<p>The banning of cellphones while driving sends out a mixed signal as to what impairments are acceptable. Women putting on makeup in the car while on the motorway is not explicitly illegal, so is that okay? If we&#8217;re going to &#8220;send a strong signal&#8221; then the signal should be clear. We seem to be using the law to send out a lot of signals lately.</p>
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		<title>By: gazzaj</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597308</link>
		<dc:creator>gazzaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So now I have to take my laptop with mobile broadband with me to read Kiwiblog while I&#039;m driving? I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s gonna be any safer than reading it off my cell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now I have to take my laptop with mobile broadband with me to read Kiwiblog while I&#8217;m driving? I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s gonna be any safer than reading it off my cell.</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Projectman said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;it’s time the cellphone manufacturers and the vehicle producers got together to ensure there is a universal hands-free kit available and, preferably, installed in all new cars. That way, people can take their cellphone from car to car and use it appropriately.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They do exist - most new cars (ie less than 3 years old) have a bluetooth handsfree capability in their stereo, and most cellphones have bluetooth now too.  Not to worry for those of us who choose to have old cars - we can also buy a new stereo with such a capability, or if you are really geeky I can email you how I made the old tape player in my 1990 Camry compatible with my mobile phone and ipod, eliminating the need to buy a new stereo (only cheaper if you don&#039;t count labour costs though).

There has been a ban on cellphone use in Australia for years (varies from state to state) however I am yet to meet somebody who has got a ticket from using a cellphone, and yes I still see it all the time in traffic on the Gold Coast.

Also could someone please explain to me how a cop is supposed to tell at a distance whether I am changing the song on my ipod or texting?  Both are surely equally distracting but in NZ one is legal and one is about to be illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Projectman said:</p>
<blockquote><p>it’s time the cellphone manufacturers and the vehicle producers got together to ensure there is a universal hands-free kit available and, preferably, installed in all new cars. That way, people can take their cellphone from car to car and use it appropriately.</p></blockquote>
<p>They do exist &#8211; most new cars (ie less than 3 years old) have a bluetooth handsfree capability in their stereo, and most cellphones have bluetooth now too.  Not to worry for those of us who choose to have old cars &#8211; we can also buy a new stereo with such a capability, or if you are really geeky I can email you how I made the old tape player in my 1990 Camry compatible with my mobile phone and ipod, eliminating the need to buy a new stereo (only cheaper if you don&#8217;t count labour costs though).</p>
<p>There has been a ban on cellphone use in Australia for years (varies from state to state) however I am yet to meet somebody who has got a ticket from using a cellphone, and yes I still see it all the time in traffic on the Gold Coast.</p>
<p>Also could someone please explain to me how a cop is supposed to tell at a distance whether I am changing the song on my ipod or texting?  Both are surely equally distracting but in NZ one is legal and one is about to be illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597285</link>
		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;What evidence do you have to show that the “halfwit” would drive differently with a hands free??&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How about if they&#039;re not talking on a phone at all? Is it pure speculation that a driver might drive differently with both hands on the wheel?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What evidence do you have to show that the “halfwit” would drive differently with a hands free??</p></blockquote>
<p>How about if they&#8217;re not talking on a phone at all? Is it pure speculation that a driver might drive differently with both hands on the wheel?</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597281</link>
		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;infused (397) Vote:  0   4   Says: 

August 17th, 2009 at 1:32 pm 
Rick Rowling:

I’ve drunk driven when younger. I talk on my cell in the car every day, have done for the last 7 years. No crashes. The comparison is stupid.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Stupid is as stupid does, as Ma Gump used to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>infused (397) Vote:  0   4   Says: </p>
<p>August 17th, 2009 at 1:32 pm<br />
Rick Rowling:</p>
<p>I’ve drunk driven when younger. I talk on my cell in the car every day, have done for the last 7 years. No crashes. The comparison is stupid.</p></blockquote>
<p>Stupid is as stupid does, as Ma Gump used to say.</p>
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		<title>By: llew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597278</link>
		<dc:creator>llew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;“Follow any halfwit (they’re more often than not middle aged) talking on a ‘phone while driving and watch him (or her) cut corners, fail to signal, vary speed dangerously, go through red/orange lights, fail to keep left – all of which occur regularly while these dick-heads yak – and you’ll understand that point.”

Will I?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The point is sensible &amp; obvious, so no, of course you won&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“Follow any halfwit (they’re more often than not middle aged) talking on a ‘phone while driving and watch him (or her) cut corners, fail to signal, vary speed dangerously, go through red/orange lights, fail to keep left – all of which occur regularly while these dick-heads yak – and you’ll understand that point.”</p>
<p>Will I?</p></blockquote>
<p>The point is sensible &amp; obvious, so no, of course you won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: infused</title>
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		<dc:creator>infused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes Rick Rowling,

We were all stupid once :P

Anyway, those studies are over 10 years old, back when cellphones were bricks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Rick Rowling,</p>
<p>We were all stupid once <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, those studies are over 10 years old, back when cellphones were bricks.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597272</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[annie - so far commentators have said the problem is with drivers aged from young to old.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>annie &#8211; so far commentators have said the problem is with drivers aged from young to old.</p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597270</link>
		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;ll be a relief not to see the dreaded yummy mummy or young idiot/idiotess on the phone in the rear view mirror - speeding up, slowing down, staring up and to the side as they talk.  My experience is that the problem is mostly, but not exclusively, with younger drivers.  Older people on the phone where I live tend to be tradesman types, and they seem to be thoroughly capable of doing 2 things at once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be a relief not to see the dreaded yummy mummy or young idiot/idiotess on the phone in the rear view mirror &#8211; speeding up, slowing down, staring up and to the side as they talk.  My experience is that the problem is mostly, but not exclusively, with younger drivers.  Older people on the phone where I live tend to be tradesman types, and they seem to be thoroughly capable of doing 2 things at once.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597252</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Follow any halfwit (they’re more often than not middle aged) talking on a ‘phone while driving and watch him (or her) cut corners, fail to signal, vary speed dangerously, go through red/orange lights, fail to keep left – all of which occur regularly while these dick-heads yak – and you’ll understand that point.&quot;

Will I?

What evidence do you have to show that the &quot;halfwit&quot; would drive differently with a hands free??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Follow any halfwit (they’re more often than not middle aged) talking on a ‘phone while driving and watch him (or her) cut corners, fail to signal, vary speed dangerously, go through red/orange lights, fail to keep left – all of which occur regularly while these dick-heads yak – and you’ll understand that point.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will I?</p>
<p>What evidence do you have to show that the &#8220;halfwit&#8221; would drive differently with a hands free??</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597250</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[voice of reason - the point is that with four programmable buttons and many stations to listen to, people will always have to fiddle with buttons.  It is no more distracting than talking on a cell.  Certainly no more distracting than keeping kids in order in the back seat on a trip.   There are a hundred things to distract a driver and you cannot ban every one of them.  I had a bee fly in my open window once and it hit my cheek andgo up behind my glasses.  I nearly crashed off the road before I got it away from my eye.  Should we ban insects as well?

And you forgot 89.4 FM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>voice of reason &#8211; the point is that with four programmable buttons and many stations to listen to, people will always have to fiddle with buttons.  It is no more distracting than talking on a cell.  Certainly no more distracting than keeping kids in order in the back seat on a trip.   There are a hundred things to distract a driver and you cannot ban every one of them.  I had a bee fly in my open window once and it hit my cheek andgo up behind my glasses.  I nearly crashed off the road before I got it away from my eye.  Should we ban insects as well?</p>
<p>And you forgot 89.4 FM</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rowling</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597248</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Rowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[infused: &quot;I for one will be using my cellphone in the car&quot; and &quot;I’ve drunk driven when younger.&quot;
hmmm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>infused: &#8220;I for one will be using my cellphone in the car&#8221; and &#8220;I’ve drunk driven when younger.&#8221;<br />
hmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Kris K</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/the_handheld_cellphone_in_car_ban.html/comment-page-1#comment-597246</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 02:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DPF,
your quote, &quot;Between 2003 and 2008, there were 482 injury crashes and 25 fatal crashes in New Zealand where the use of a mobile phone or other telecommunications device was identified as a contributing factor&quot;, shows those figures ONLY where either injury or fatality resulted. The stats. regarding &#039;near misses&#039; are, of course, a mystery.

As others have mentioned, it is readily observable that driving standards drop significantly when using a hand-held mobile phone. I would argue that for every fatality there are likely to be numerous &#039;near misses&#039; or non injury crashes. The insurance/police stats where mobile phones [hand-held] resulted in vehicle damage alone would likely be very informative. I am unaware, though, if such figures exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF,<br />
your quote, &#8220;Between 2003 and 2008, there were 482 injury crashes and 25 fatal crashes in New Zealand where the use of a mobile phone or other telecommunications device was identified as a contributing factor&#8221;, shows those figures ONLY where either injury or fatality resulted. The stats. regarding &#8216;near misses&#8217; are, of course, a mystery.</p>
<p>As others have mentioned, it is readily observable that driving standards drop significantly when using a hand-held mobile phone. I would argue that for every fatality there are likely to be numerous &#8216;near misses&#8217; or non injury crashes. The insurance/police stats where mobile phones [hand-held] resulted in vehicle damage alone would likely be very informative. I am unaware, though, if such figures exist.</p>
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