Will the Government ban this also?

August 18th, 2009 at 8:22 am by David Farrar

I noted yesterday that the woman driving the car next to us was applying mascara while driving the car.

Is the Government going to legislate to make this an offence also? If not, why not?

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35 Responses to “Will the Government ban this also?”

  1. Cerium (23,814 comments) says:

    Because it would look bad?

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  2. zelia (8 comments) says:

    While they should make such hazardous things criminal, you’re nit-picking for the sake of nit-picking. They banned cellphones, it’s a Good Thing. It’s also a good start. You can harp your right to free will all you want, but, when your free will takes away innocent people due to your inattentive driving, you can serve your free will next to Bubba.

    “But it’s no dangerous than changing the station or talking to passengers!” Is usually the argument.

    To which I reply, ridiculous.

    I don’t remember the last time there weren’t multiple FM modes on even the oldest of cars, where it’s simply two buttons to get to your region and your desired station – and if not, most people have mp3 players for their old decrepit players, which is also just a button away if you want to change the song. It’s not exactly, hear the ring – find the phone – press the button to answer the phone – majority of attention goes to the cellphone and it’s caller – fumble around – hang up – put phone down somewhere.

    Then, we have the passenger debate, again, ridiculous. Talking to a passenger in a car is rarely deep conversation or a topic that requires your thought to be majorly taken away from the road. A phone call, before it is answered has a purpose, they called for a purpose and you’re going to put thought to that purpose and become inattentive to the road.

    Mascara while driving? I can’t argue that one. I, myself have been forced into other lanes (when on the motorcycle, so my chances are higher than ever to be a pancake) due to a female putting on makeup on the North Western. It’s not pretty when you make an all mighty toot and watch them try put their make up away instead of FOCUSING ON THE ROAD *face palm*

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  3. 2boyz (273 comments) says:

    Off with her head I say

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  4. zelia (8 comments) says:

    “Because it would look bad?”

    How could it possibly look bad? Young female drivers aren’t exactly the beacon of hope for the motoring world, if anything the outside people will see it as the government taking initiative, rather than pouring money into yet another “Speed Kills” advertisement.

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  5. Bob (445 comments) says:

    Yes it should be banned but under a blanket ban on inattentive driving. An all encompassing rule would allow a traffic cop to decided if an activity in a car could lead to dangerous driving.

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  6. wikiriwhis business (4,200 comments) says:

    This is just confirmation in females belief they own the roads

    Would you prefer women or Asian drivers?

    Hmmmmmmmm

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  7. zelia (8 comments) says:

    What about a female driver that *IS* asian? Lordylord!

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  8. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Think you are being a tad sensitive here David P Farrar.

    There are so many weird and wonderful things that folk do in cars that really impairs their ability to drive properly.

    Recall at least two awful accidents in the SI, that involved young girl drivers texting with calamitous, and fatal results.

    Applying mascara is nearly as bad. The disturbing thing is that some posters here defend their driving skills and distractions.

    Try doing any of these weird things on unrestricted parts of the German Autobahns and see just how fast you get involved in huge accident.

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  9. Camryn (481 comments) says:

    Bob – That’d be a fairer and more logical ban. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was already the case, though. Meaning that the recent cellphone ban is just PR.

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  10. Brian Smaller (3,966 comments) says:

    You want to try biking to work for a few years along SH2. You cycle past all the cars crawling at 20kph. You would be surprised what distracting things some drivers are up to.

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  11. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,704 comments) says:

    Because if they did, male drivers would be distracted by the ugly bitch’s wrinkly eyelids, flashing at him in the opposing traffic.

    That’s about the standard of answer the stupid damned question deserves.

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  12. Sonny Blount (1,809 comments) says:

    I don’t remember the last time there weren’t multiple FM modes on even the oldest of cars, where it’s simply two buttons to get to your region and your desired station – and if not, most people have mp3 players for their old decrepit players, which is also just a button away if you want to change the song. It’s not exactly, hear the ring – find the phone – press the button to answer the phone – majority of attention goes to the cellphone and it’s caller – fumble around – hang up – put phone down somewhere.

    Completely wrong. I do a lot of driving across the country and by far the most dangerous thing I do is changing CD’s. It is much harder than eatiing a pie, drinking a coffee, or using a cell. I use an Ipod a lot also, navigating the menus is far, far harder than using a cellphone and is equally as frustrating as changing a CD. I can recall many crashes due to CD changing over the years when it is a rather infrequent activiy compared to cell phone use, it is also rarely admitted to because there is no proof in a crash such as when using cellphones. In fact the ability to trace call times leads to an increase in the stats of cell phone use in crashes compared to other activities that people don’t own up to.

    Second hardest thing is reading a map.

    Then, we have the passenger debate, again, ridiculous. Talking to a passenger in a car is rarely deep conversation or a topic that requires your thought to be majorly taken away from the road. A phone call, before it is answered has a purpose, they called for a purpose and you’re going to put thought to that purpose and become inattentive to the road.

    A good friend of mines mother died whilst telling off her children in the back seat (they were in their restraining seats and lived). What are the risks of driving to a parent alone with multiple children in the car?

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  13. zelia (8 comments) says:

    *Sigh*
    Firstly, if you know those things are dangerous, don’t DO them. Are you incapable of personal responsibility? Secondly, I personally wouldn’t change a CD if it was going to take my attention away from the road, and my iPhone has a dock which is within eye’s view and arm’s reach, and is a simple finger tap away from changing the song – try not to overplay it just because you don’t agree with the new law, eh?

    Now, what kind of parent tries to settle down kids in the BACK SEAT of a car while driving? Pull over, if you can’t do so, use your voice to calm them down and talk to them, and then when it’s safe – pull over and give them a good talking to and set them straight. All of these respective arguments you have raised can be satisfied simply by saying “Pull over when it’s safe to do so, then act accordingly.”

    What’s that? You don’t have time to do so? Leave a bit earlier then, a quicker mocca in the morning is a lot less substantial than, as you say, a mother dying.

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  14. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    >>>> Is the Government going to legislate to make this an offence also? If not, why not?

    No, because it is a silly comment and you compare apples with oranges.

    You advocate explicit banning of every potentially dangerous in-car activity , no matter how rare.

    In car cellphone use is common enough, and risky enough, to warrant a specific law.

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  15. Brian Smaller (3,966 comments) says:

    Now, what kind of parent tries to settle down kids in the BACK SEAT of a car while driving? Pull over, if you can’t do so, use your voice to calm them down and talk to them, and then when it’s safe

    I would say practically every parent who has ever been on long trip with kids in teh back seat playing up.

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  16. zelia (8 comments) says:

    Then, Brian, I would have to say it’s Natural Selection doing it’s finest work. Personal responsibility has been sorely lost, hasn’t it?

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  17. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    Sonny Blount (196) 0 2 Says:

    August 18th, 2009 at 9:23 am

    “…..I can recall many crashes due to CD changing over the years…. ”

    Do you mean your own accidents? if not give examples -

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  18. Sonny Blount (1,809 comments) says:

    Firstly, if you know those things are dangerous, don’t DO them. Are you incapable of personal responsibility?

    I am presonal responsible for the outcomes of my actions, never said I wasn’t or even that I disagree with the new law.

    I often pull over to change CDs esp at night, but usually can manage it on the go and haven’t crashed in half a million k’s. Which is my point, the ability to pay attention and take appropriate action is more important than the activity.

    Secondly, I personally wouldn’t change a CD if it was going to take my attention away from the road, and my iPhone has a dock which is within eye’s view and arm’s reach, and is a simple finger tap away from changing the song – try not to overplay it just because you don’t agree with the new law, eh?

    Load of rubbish, you have to hold your index finger on the scroll wheel and move it around several times, slowing down as you get to your selection which you have to watch closely for. This usually requires another hand to hold the ipod steady but can be done one handed with extra attention. This process takes far more extended attention than pressing a speed dial or answer button on your cell with your thumb one handed.

    Otherwise your comments seem to back up my points, there are many other more dangerous things than talking on a cell phone and they can be managed with a commen sense approach rather than a new law.

    I happen to think that the new law exists only for the purpose of eliminating texting not talking on a cell, but the only practical way to implement is by blanket banning the use of cell phones.

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  19. Sonny Blount (1,809 comments) says:

    “…..I can recall many crashes due to CD changing over the years…. ”

    Do you mean your own accidents? if not give examples –

    I don’t have a photographic memory for newspapers I’ve read over the years but I can specifically recall reading about crashes where this is the case, never fatal because the driver has to live and be dumb enough to tell you what they were doing.

    If you think I’m lying then fine, grab a dozen cds and throw them in the glove box or a cd wallet. Go for a drive down the motorway and change them to a specific cd (not just the first one you pick up) 3 or 4 times. Then do it after dark.

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  20. zelia (8 comments) says:

    I don’t know what you’re doing on your iPod but I personally just press “next track” which isn’t a slide, or anything.

    You’re just going around in circles now, friend. No point in arguing with a brick wall.

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  21. Graeme Edgeler (2,972 comments) says:

    Is the Government going to legislate to make this an offence also? If not, why not?

    Because they haven’t got any evidence it causes a great number of accidents/injuries/deaths. It might be the most dangerous thing you can do while driving, but if it only causes a handful of accidents, then banning something slightly less dangerous, but far more prevalent makes some sense.

    Just guessing, of course.

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  22. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    Sonny Blount (198) Vote: 0 1 Says:
    August 18th, 2009 at 10:11 am
    “….because the driver has to live and be dumb enough to tell you what they were doing….”

    And apparently dumb enough to ADMIT what they were doing

    “If you think I’m lying then fine, grab a dozen cds and throw them in the glove box or a cd wallet. Go for a drive down the motorway and change them to a specific cd (not just the first one you pick up) 3 or 4 times. Then do it after dark.”

    Are you serious ? You seem to think changing CD’s is a necessary part of driving.
    Why not add trying to light a spliff into the equation that way you could just enjoy the one Pink Floyd CD over and over again.

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  23. first time caller (370 comments) says:

    I look so much better with it on tho….

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  24. starboard (2,563 comments) says:

    ..I believe philwhore and racer can ” drive and mascara ” at the same time..gents , please share your secret…

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  25. Owen McShane (1,182 comments) says:

    AT least her eyes were still facing the road and one hand can be on the wheel. The trouble with texting and dialling on a cellphone is that your eyes are on your lap.
    And where are both your hands? Long ago I decided to always pull over and stop at the side of the road.

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  26. senzafine (457 comments) says:

    I was wondering when i was lighting a cigarette this morning if that would be the next thing. Then, as I adjusted my car audio from the radio > Ipod, i pondered if indeed that would be the next ban. Then I got to wondering if i’ll be required to muzzle my children when transporting them…

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  27. Rex Widerstrom (5,013 comments) says:

    There’s no doubt texting while driving verges on insanity.

    But right now I can talk to my front seat passenger while driving with one hand on the wheel and have Mr Plod smile benignly as he whisks past (usually over the speed limit, but I’m sure there’s an operational imperative, like rapidly cooling donuts back at the station, to excuse that).

    Yet it’s illegal for me to drive with one hand on the wheel while the other holds a phone into which I am speaking.

    I don’t see the difference. Oh wait, I do… more “offence statistics” about which Mr Plod can boast and more money in the government’s coffers.

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  28. calendar girl (1,259 comments) says:

    Rex, you are better than that. This thread is about Government policy regarding the use of cellphones when driving – which you can agree with or not. (Personally I think it’s just selective tokenism.)

    While most of us recognise your personal beef about historical Police actions, bagging the Police gratuitously at every opportunity is petty and unproductive. We could all do better by applying ourselves to how the NZ Police could be made more professional in every way, and exert pressure on our elected representatives to take the appropriate action to bring about change and improvement.

    This is not the place for debating how Police standards could be upgraded. But for what it’s worth my own thoughts fall under the following main headings:

    1. Removing the “twin-funding” streams of Vote Police and Land Transport.
    2. Enshrining an unambiguous Code for Police political neutrality.
    3. Exposing the selection of Police Commissioner to a more open examination of character and leadership traits.
    4. An explicit “Code of Behaviour for Police Officers” containing serious sanctions for illegal or unethical activities.
    5. Organisational models that emphasise positive Police relationships and contacts with the general community.
    6. Adequate remuneration levels to attract responsible and capable recruits.

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  29. Sonny Blount (1,809 comments) says:

    I don’t know what you’re doing on your iPod but I personally just press “next track” which isn’t a slide, or anything.

    Thats not using an ipod you retard. You can just press speedial on your phone with one button also.

    You’re just going around in circles now, friend. No point in arguing with a brick wall.

    No I’m not. You made an incorrect statement:

    “But it’s no dangerous than changing the station or talking to passengers!” Is usually the argument.

    To which I reply, ridiculous.

    I explained clearly whay you are wrong, and then you agreed with me:

    Firstly, if you know those things are dangerous, don’t DO them. Are you incapable of personal responsibility?

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  30. Sonny Blount (1,809 comments) says:

    Are you serious ? You seem to think changing CD’s is a necessary part of driving.

    You never change your CD? You soulless husk. I bet you have Helens greatest speeches as read by Chris Hipkins on repeat right.

    If you put a CD player in a car expect people to use it.

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  31. Rex Widerstrom (5,013 comments) says:

    calendar girl:

    I agree with and support what you say, though no amount of external control such as Codes of Behaviour will change a culture and outlook that inculcates an “us and them” perspective, usually into people who already have some sort of axe to grind. Watch, if you can, an excellent piece of reality TV (no, really) from Australia called “Recruits”.

    I thought it would be a PR job for the Police — perhaps it was meant to be so. But the majority of recruits managed to condemn themselves out of their own mouths. One in particular was fascinating, Ces. Famously unable to physically keep up (There’s infamous footage of him hugging a tree on YouTube), asked to explain why he wants to be a police officer he memorably explains (in the one part of the show now mysteriously no longer available) “I hate crime. When I see someone run a stop sign I just want to arrest them!!”

    Needless to say, with below par fitness, below par intelligence and a bad attitude, he passes with flying colours. Try controlling him with a rule book. Some comments here give you an idea of how well most acquitted themselves. Most Australians realised they’re an embarrasment.

    Anyway, none of that answers my question: Why can I drive with one hand and talk to a person legally if they’re in the car with me, but not if they’re on the phone?

    To which I posit the answer: Because the Police are constantly looking for more offences with which to charge otherwise law-abiding citizens and because the government quite likes the increased revenue.

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  32. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    Sonny Blount (204) 1 1 Says:

    “You never change your CD? You soulless husk. I bet you have Helens greatest speeches as read by Chris Hipkins on repeat right.
    If you put a CD player in a car expect people to use it.”

    I dont need to change CDs while driving because I have a 10 CD stacker in the boot of my car.

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  33. mattinnz (9 comments) says:

    While driving in front of her, hit the brakes. If you time it right you can get her to draw a nice line across her face.

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  34. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Use voice mail if you’re driving, its not rocket science. I guess its like natural selection at speed.

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  35. Francis_X (147 comments) says:

    John Key seems to be on some merry little crusade to weed out middle class New Zealand families, who he accuses of rorting the Working For Families allowance. He states that “wealthy people who are legally manipulating their financial affairs to ensure they benefit from Working for Families are “rorting the system” in a way that is unfair on other taxpayers ” and that “”If someone is using tax structuring as a way to receive Working for Families when they are, in fact, very well off, they’re really taking taxpayers’ money off the rest of New Zealand. I don’t think that’s fair and if we can find a way through that, it would be my preference.””.

    Perhaps Mr Key could look a bit closer to home and address the issue of his own Minister of Finance, Bill English, who arranged his own personal affairs, by way of a cosy little Family Trust, so as to be eligible for $900 a week of taxpayers’ money, to live in his own home – as he had done so for the last ten years.

    Or those MPs who rent out their own homes in Wellington; rent another flat for themselves; and then claim accomdation allowance PLUS the rental from their own property.

    Or MPs who use our taxes to pay for personal holidays overseas.

    Or… but the list is lengthy.

    If Key is aiming for a one-term National Government, he is going the right way about it.

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