A calm rational analogy from the Greens

September 1st, 2009 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

was interviewed last week on Checkpoint about the possibility of having done on portions of the estate. The interviewer put to her that it might only be a couple of hundred hectares out of many thousands (in fact it is millions) of hectares of estate and Jeanette responded:

That’s like saying you’ve got six children, so it doesn’t really matter if you lose one does it.

I don’t even need to comment do I?

The key segment starts at 6:30 into the RNZ item. Listen for yourself – I am not making this up. Even the generally sympathetic interviewer sounded a bit stunned, and responded “Really, we are talking about land”.

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82 Responses to “A calm rational analogy from the Greens”

  1. big bruv (14,211 comments) says:

    Who cares what Jeanette Fitzsimons has to say anyway?, thankfully we will soon see the back of her.

    She will return to her farm, grow her own fruit and veggies and continue to fertilise them with her own human waste.

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  2. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Jeannette must have had a very awkward pregnancy

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  3. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    I’m not surprised at all. Ms Fitzsimons has had a very easy ride from the media down the years, sucked in by her quiet, seemingly gentle, seemingly reasonable ‘sensible Jeanette’ persona. She’s very hardline. Always has been.

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  4. MT_Tinman (3,310 comments) says:

    Why anyone would care about the ravings of a nonentity who’s sole claim to fame is that they are probably the person who came closest to burning down the Coromandel is a puzzle to me.

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  5. lyndon (321 comments) says:

    Jeebuz. First people stating opinion as fact, now analogies between killing children and environment policy. Those people-who-aren’t-DPF can be really disappointing.

    [DPF: I find pretty much everyone who isn’t me disappointing to various degrees. :-)]

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  6. labrator (1,851 comments) says:

    “Really, we are talking about land”, brilliant. Next you won’t be able to fence your farm because putting post holes in is like drilling a hole in your childs face, which is worse than smacking. If you fence farms for a living then you’re pro-child abuse, you should be ashamed of yourself and seek professional help.

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  7. dimmocrazy (286 comments) says:

    Examples of this type of reasoning should be put out in the open much more.
    This simply goes to show how absolutely and utterly bonkers these people are.
    In fact, the entire country, nay the world, is held to ransom by lunatics like FitzSimons, who have not a grain of common sense available to them. What wouldn’t one give for a green movement that can rationalize things a bit better and actually participate in meaningful debate and compromise instead of poisoning any idea with their ludicrous dogma.
    This world could be a better place if people would see through the barely veiled ideology that drives nutcases like Jeannette and her ilk, and run them out of town, properly tarred and feathered.

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  8. tom hunter (5,127 comments) says:

    Her analogy doesn’t work because it does not acknowledge a continuum on which reasonable people can disagree where to draw the line.

    She would have been better off saying something like:

    That’s like saying that a smack on the bottom leads to children being killed.

    Oh wait…….

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  9. Right of way is Way of Right (883 comments) says:

    Ah, right. Well, I have three children. Which one of those will I deny medical treatment to because the country cannot afford it, despite sitting on about 1.6 billion dollars of mineral resources on marginal DOC land?

    Now there’s a rational way to bring children in to this debate!

    Stupid, stupid woman!

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  10. Matthew (110 comments) says:

    Actually I think Mr Tips has a point here, although in the process it makes Jeanette look like a hypocrite.

    In one way you could say Jeanette has completely lost the plot when she equates children to land. Regardless of the (lies) of AGW, the seas will not rise enough to remove 100% of the earth’s landbase; that means straightaway that we will have enough land. Period. One thing we are not having enough of is children and they are worth infinitely more than any piece of land. Anywhere. To equate loosing land to loosing one child shows how low an opinion she has of humanity, and assuming she is not a Christian and does not believe in God as defined by the Bible (yes, she’s entitled to that), she has a very low view of humanity (the so-called highest evolved being according to Dawkins et-al) so much so that they are worth less than the earth. What confusion!!! So it’s either a child is worth the same as as the earth, in which case her values have gone astray, or the earth is worth as much as a human being, in which case she should take more action to stop the wholesale slaughter that goes on every day around the world. But she doesn’t.

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  11. Jack5 (5,259 comments) says:

    More Green madness in today’s Christchurch Press. Green MP Graham rabbits on about legality of sending the SAS to Afghanistan and Graham’s bill that would have made it illegal for any NZ leader “to commit aggression”. He reckons the world changed in 1945 and clearly wants defence subject to the judicial process, at least when it is activated.

    Holy Hell. The court will adjourn till tomorrow … the decision is reserved, etc. Hitler’s blitz tactics would have had Britain and Russia sewn up while the judges were having their evening ports.

    This is what MMP has delivered us. No electorate would vote Graham, or Fitzsimmons, or Bradford, into Parliament. MMP is a vast rort.

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  12. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Interesting, DPF! On the thread you started an hour earlier, you (rightly) had a go at Phil Goff for Labour’s inconsistency on this issue.

    But then you have a go at Jeanette for her and the Greens’ consistency on the issue, including their longstanding opposition to the Pike River coal mine that Labour supported. How strange?

    And, irrespective of the conservation estate issue, the best place for coal (apart from the high quality coal necessary for steel production) is in the ground, given its greenhouse gas and other pollutant impacts.

    [DPF: As you know I did not attack Jeanette for being consistent. I attached her for her analogy, which I think told us a lot more about how Jeanette sees things than she intended]

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  13. oxymoron (32 comments) says:

    I tend to agree with MrTips on this one. The analogy maybe rather over the top, but I think it’s a bit unfair to make a blanket dismissal. This is what I gather from what she said:

    We should care about the environment like we care about our own children. We should care about all conservation land like we care about all of our own children. We don’t care any less about any particular child if it is less pretty, successful, et cetera than our other children, like we shouldn’t care about a particular estate less just because it’s sitting on top of a goldmine.

    If you want a calm, rational debate, you should be debating the strength of these things in my humble opinion. Show that you’re above the barrage of ad hominem attacks levelled towards the centre-right.

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  14. big bruv (14,211 comments) says:

    I wondered how long it would be before Toad came rushing onto the sight in an attempt to spin this.

    Why is it that the Greens have such an issue with free speech and differing opinions?

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  15. llew (1,286 comments) says:

    Now there’s a rational way to bring children in to this debate!

    Children make good miners. You don’t have to make the tunnels so wide.

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  16. llew (1,286 comments) says:

    big bruv (4385) Vote: 0 0 Says:

    September 1st, 2009 at 11:12 am
    I wondered how long it would be before Toad came rushing onto the sight in an attempt to spin this.

    Why is it that the Greens have such an issue with free speech and differing opinions?

    That’s clearly a common malaise.

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  17. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    a special ‘egg-beater-award’ for you..?..dpf..?

    or is that the ‘long-bow-award’..?

    whatever..!

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  18. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    big bruv said: I wondered how long it would be before Toad came rushing onto the sight in an attempt to spin this.

    69 minutes, bruv. Sorry to be so tardy, but I had an urgent work task to complete. I’ll try to do better next time – no guarantees though.

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  19. Fletch (6,516 comments) says:

    If they’re so worried about plants and land etc, why are they supporting a bill which will lesson the gas (CO2) that makes plants thrive? Are they green or not?

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  20. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    [DPF: As you know I … I attached her for her analogy’..

    did it ‘hurt’ either of you..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  21. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Fletch said: If they’re so worried about plants and land etc, why are they supporting a bill which will lesson the gas (CO2) that makes plants thrive?

    Surely, even you can’t be that ignorant of the science Fletch. Whether C02 is a nutrient or a pollutant depends upon its atmospheric concentration. If it gets too high, the greenhouse effect makes the planet so hot that nothing can live, let alone thrive. Witness the planet Venus.

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  22. beautox (409 comments) says:

    And these people eat vegetables! That’s murder, surely?

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  23. Simon (780 comments) says:

    With Labor going down in a screaming heap its wide open for the Greens. But they can’t handle it. Just not up to it.

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  24. Gooner (919 comments) says:

    No Toad, witness your absolute and unequivocal stupidity.

    Here we go again with absurd and extreme suggestions that the planet will get so hot that plants will die and we’ll all burn to death.

    You’re as bad and as mad as Genetic Fitzsimons which isn’t surprising. She uses the analogy that drilling land is like killing babies and you use the analogy that climate change will kill everything on this planet. You’re a dangerous, scary, raving extremist Toad, as is your party, and on reflection if climate change kills off all of us then that might be a good thing if your lot is part of that.

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  25. unaha-closp (1,066 comments) says:

    If they’re so worried about plants and land etc, why are they supporting a bill which will lesson the gas (CO2) that makes plants thrive?

    Fletch,

    They are not attempting to reduce CO2 levels, they are trying to stop CO2 being emitted here – big difference. The Greens policy is to adopt an European style ETS to increase CO2 concentration as these policies have swelled Western European carbon footprint by about 10% since inception.

    Are they green or not?

    No, they are NIMBYs.

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  26. Danyl Mclauchlan (941 comments) says:

    Surely, even you can’t be that ignorant of the science

    You must be new around here.

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  27. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @Gooner 11.54am

    Knew someone would bite!

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  28. Gooner (919 comments) says:

    Is that the *science* the computer projected out of its hard drive?

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  29. Gooner (919 comments) says:

    Couldn’t help myself Toad…it’s this Kiwiblog, it makes us all angry righties.

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  30. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    do you need a wee lie-down..?..and a cuppa tea..?..there..?..gooner..

    (i find yoga helps..!..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  31. Ryan Sproull (7,359 comments) says:

    She was saying that every part of the conservation land is precious, so while mining may only be on a fraction of that land, that’s still a bad thing as far as she’s concerned.

    It’s only a bad analogy if you fall over yourself trying to read things into it.

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  32. david (2,194 comments) says:

    Quite clearly the solution is to mine the crap out of every bit of New Zealand that is within 45ft of the high water mark while we have the chance.

    In 100 years (according to the “scientific and popular consensus”) it will all be under water anyhow so how can we be harming anything?

    Where is the flaw in the logic?

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  33. davidp (3,585 comments) says:

    >That’s like saying you’ve got six children, so it doesn’t really matter if you lose one does it.

    That’s like saying you’ve got six children, and it’d be the end of the world if you gave one a haircut because every little bit of them is precious and sacred.

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  34. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    look..!..a new euphimism for mining the crap out of somewhere..

    ‘we’re just giving the land a ‘haircut’..

    (run it by the p.r./marketing people..eh..?

    ..see if they like it..

    see if they think it ‘works’..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  35. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    david said: In 100 years (according to the “scientific and popular consensus”) it will all be under water anyhow…

    And then those bloody Mowrees will get it all if we let them have their way and repeal the Foreshore and Seabed Act! So best whitey gets in first while the going’s good, eh david!

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  36. big bruv (14,211 comments) says:

    Toad

    It is not often I will praise you, however, I feel in this case that I must.

    I am amazed at how you deal with life Toad, I am amazed at how you manage to struggle through every day given the massive weight of white liberal guilt you have to carry around.

    I can just see you and Mad Delahunty begging forgiveness every morning for the sin of being born non Maori.

    I simply don’t know how you deal with it mate.

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  37. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    I had money on Farrar publishing an at-a-stretch attack on the Greens today. I win. Thanks David! (You are becoming too, too predictable!)
    Clue: When the Greens are ‘on the money’, Farrar spews up a fabricated beat-up. I’ll put money on the next one as well!

    [DPF: How is it a beatup to highlight something Jeanette said on radio with tens of thousands listening. And I didn’t even rip into her for it – her words were so daft she condemned herself with them.

    I’m sorry you dislike it when I expose Green lunacy. But you know they keep providing me with so much material]

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  38. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    I bet on Big Bruv’s responses too, right down to the words he’s going to use. Your a goldmine to me Bruv!

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  39. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Her analogy might make sense to her fellow travellers but for the vast majority with more practicality and common sense it’s a load of BS. Land is not akin to a child. She hasn’t personally nurtured every inch of land, she hasn’t fed it and educated and held it in her arms. She may have tramped over a good portion of the DOC estate, and shat in too I would guess, probably even dug holes in it for various reasons.
    Anyway, without suggesting the analogy holds any water, the figure she quoted (6 children) should surely have been more like 2500 children. In that context statistically I would suggest at least one of those children is likely to receive major surgery (another flaw in her analogy, the land is not being killed it’s being operated on) in the near future anyway.

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  40. Rakaia George (313 comments) says:

    …and there’s me thinking that people used to have large families so that it didn’t matter so much if you did lose one (or two…).

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  41. Cerium (23,793 comments) says:

    I’ll take care never to build a house on one of my kids.

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  42. Fletch (6,516 comments) says:

    If it gets too high, the greenhouse effect makes the planet so hot that nothing can live, let alone thrive. Witness the planet Venus.

    Sorry toad. I’ve heard that before, but the comparison is not justified.
    Venus has a different rotation than Earth, rotating on it’s axis but once a year – the Sun slowly roasts it. Not only that but Venus doesn’t have plate tectonics: instead of volcanoes releasing pressure, every 500 million years or so the continents on Venus simply tip up and slide into the molten core, producing huge amounts of heat.

    You simply can’t use it as an example to compare with Earth.

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  43. emmess (1,398 comments) says:

    Remember Melissa Lee’s comment that caused the shit to hit the fan
    This is a million times more stupid
    Are we going to see a million times the reaction in the media?

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  44. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    That’s like saying I already earn $300,000 a year, so it doesn’t really matter if John Minto taxes me down to a cap of $250,000 a year does it?

    PS Emmess: Fitzsimons comment is consistent with Green party policy. Melissa Lee comments about South Aucklanders coming up the motorway to commit crime were not National policy and were an embarrassment to everybody. Do you see how that’s different?

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  45. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Fletch, I don’t know why you bother putting forward rational arguments to a green?

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  46. david (2,194 comments) says:

    Toad, your 12:42 is the most vile, racist, divisive and unhelpful load of bullshit I have heard in a long time (well not since “haters & wreckers”.)

    Boy did I scratch a burning itch there for you to have unloaded like that.

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  47. racer1 (352 comments) says:

    Another calm rational comment by Farrar on the Greens, who would have thought?

    [DPF: You are being Mr Stupid today. I have not even commented on what Jeanette said. I have not called her names or commented myself on it. All I have done is let her words speak for themselves.

    This is what you hate. Exposing their extremism with their own words. ]

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  48. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    @david 1.33pm: Toad, your 12:42 is the most vile, racist…

    What’s racist about it david? It was taking the piss at the expense of racists and climate change deniers. Or don’t you understand sarcasm?

    Reality is, though, if we don’t do something about climate change fast, there will be a whole lot more seabed.

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  49. RRM (10,096 comments) says:

    “Exposing their extremism with their own words.”

    As always the left wing parties are extremists, and the right wing parties just aren’t. I would have thought being a pressure party is a bargaining process and that you would always start negotiating from a fairly high asking price?

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  50. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    But RRM, we don’t really have any right-wing parties in NZ. ACT are the closest to it and they’re nowhere near the far-right that counts as extreme. National seems to be veering further and further to the left, and I think even Labour is worried that National will dominate their traditional space on the political spectrum.
    Greens, yes I think they’re extreme, and impractical, and sanctimonious, and whiffy.

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  51. paradigm (452 comments) says:

    Notice toad isn’t even trying to defend the statement, just trolling and baiting round the edges. Even he/she knows it was a retarded thing to say.

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  52. Auberon (779 comments) says:

    Colin Espiner, in another of his pitifully lazy twice weekly reading of the tea-leaves efforts: “Australia might be able to dig up its desert without anyone noticing, but it’s a very different proposition here.”

    On the contrary Colin, despite Australia’s vast size, there’s not actually so much between us when it comes to the spatial distribution of our populations.

    I’d put to you Colin that in fact you’d have just a hard a time noticing a significant increase in mining this country’s resources.

    The numbers speak for themselves.

    Australia’s population is 232nd in the world for density. New Zealand’s is not far behind it on 201st. It’s not like we’re all knocking into one-another out there. And, like Australia, the valuable resources under the ground are largely (thought to be) in areas of even lower population density – in our case the central-to-southern South Island.

    I don’t think Colin could be more wrong – you could mine a huge amount of New Zealand and no-one, including our valuable tourist trade, would notice. There are unimaginally vast tracts of the South Island that not even the keenest trampers get into. The scale is actually mind-boggling.

    And while I’m on the matter of your lacklustre output Colin, are you perhaps getting a bit jaded? Is this really the game for you? You were good, no doubt about it, but I’ve been wondering whether your heart’s in political watching any more ever since your column earlier this year wishing Winston was still in Parliament – something you wished, mainly, for the purpose of providing you with entertainment. If that’s where you’re at; if you simply can’t muster the strength to get interested in the political environment you’ve been presented with; if you really think the Winston Peters sideshow was a good thing for this country; then maybe you need a break to assess whether this is still the career for you.

    Certainly a bit of thought and some honesty on the reality of how we might use our natural resources would have been appreciated.

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  53. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    PF said: ” I’m sorry you dislike it when I expose Green lunacy.”

    I accept your apology David, however, I don’t dislike it at all! Please, please, please do another post like the abortion you presented while you were in Hawaii! You know, the one that drew comments from across the blogosphere – not very admiring comments, it’s true, but you got noticed. Or talk about shooting the dairy cow herd again! That’s a good one! Even some of the dafter National MPs used it in their regional newspaper columns. Made them sound like hot-heads (or block-heads, depending on the reader) You’re so influential! Go David!

    [DPF: I thought the abortion one was superb. It nicely highlighted the extremism with shock tactics. And shooting the cows is wonderful phrase to get out there – esp as people realise that the Greens actually do want to reduce the dairy herd – they just prefer to stop them breeding rather than shoot them]

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  54. Auberon (779 comments) says:

    Further to my post above, if we were just to take the South Island, and apply Mr Espiner’s belief that “Australia might be able to dig up its desert without anyone noticing, but it’s a very different proposition here,” at 6.7 people per square km the South Island is getting pretty damn close to Australia in terms of population density; probably somewhere in the region of 225-odd in the world to Australia’s 232, if the South Island were given the status of a country on its own for the purposes of this exercise.

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  55. big bruv (14,211 comments) says:

    “at the expense of racists and climate change deniers”

    Note the way Toad is trying to link racists and climate change deniers in another attempt to shut down the debate.

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  56. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    It’s not to shut down debate, bruv. Just to provoke the inevitable Pavlovian response.

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  57. Auberon (779 comments) says:

    Yeah toad, you and your green mates are just so smart. Got us dancing a merry tune. Oh, but do take time to address the absurdity of your position on occasion, between laughs, just for your own credibility and self respect, won’t you?

    I won’t hold my breath – not the least because it might damage the planet’s fragile cocktail of greenhouse gases.

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  58. Komata (1,220 comments) says:

    OK, so Ms Fitzsimmons has once again made herself very clear – NO mining on the Coromandel!

    For some of us this is sadly very familiar. . .

    The fact that so-doing might actually HELP the country is of course of absolutely no consequence – and neither is the fact that her cows emit large quantities of methane (She is of course a DAIRY farmer – an inconvenient truth) – and a shareholder in a large capitalist enterprise – Fonterra – all things she has very loudly condemned at various times.

    But what I cannot understand is how, despite being almost violently anti-extractive industries, the lady still has no problems with using such things as motor vehicles, aircraft, light switches, computers etc, etc, etc – all made using material produced by the extractive industries – even the coins she puts into metres and uses to purchase things are from that source.

    On the basis of this, isn’t this a case of blatant-hypocrisy? (aka do as I say, not as I actually do!)

    Perhaps Toad (whom I understand is a supporter of the lady and her policies ) can enlighten us and explain the anomaly

    Thanks

    PS: Trypewriter: Don’t hold your breath about the MSM doing an investigation! Socialists-all simply they are too close to the subject to ever be objective, while the young reporters wouldn’t have a clue anyway (nine years was a very long time).

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  59. Bevan (3,232 comments) says:

    Gee DPF has struck a nerve today hasnt’t he! Shit Toad, doesnt help your arguement when all you’re giving is nothing more than the Internet equivalent of tantrum.

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  60. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    [DPF: I thought the abortion one was superb. It nicely highlighted the extremism with shock tactics.]

    Then why the shame-faced retraction a few days later?
    Even your fans (those with a brain) smacked the back of your hand over that lame piece.
    If you truely believe (you’re not lying, are you?) that the greens-want-abortion piece was “superb”, you’ve shown yourself to be as narrow-thinking and incapable of change as, say … Redbaiter. Great company you keep!

    [DPF: What retraction. My followup post was to say I had no regrets over the initial post and I absolutely stll think it was a great post. I had huge number of people saying they thought it was effective]

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  61. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    This from DPF is really rich – “And shooting the cows is wonderful phrase to get out there – esp as people realise that the Greens actually do want to reduce the dairy herd ”

    You’ll be supportive then of a left-wing blog trumpeting “National intent of completely destroying our national parks!”
    or “John Key needlessly sends NZ boys to their deaths in Afganistan!”

    You are supportive of ” wonderful phrases”, even though they aren’t true? Are you a dishonest hypocrite?

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  62. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Ms Fitzsimons has had a very easy ride from the media down the years, sucked in by her quiet, seemingly gentle, seemingly reasonable ’sensible Jeanette’ persona.

    Tripewryter – you’ve seen through her! Watch out for her tremendous left-hook also. She’s pure, unchained fury if crossed, the devil incarnate, some say!

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  63. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    dpf said..

    “..And shooting the cows is wonderful phrase to get out there – esp as people realise that the Greens actually do want to reduce the dairy herd – they just prefer to stop them breeding rather than shoot them]..”

    so..dpf..you admit you know/knew there were no green plans for the mass slaughter of cows..

    yet you pandered to the prejudices of the mouth-breathers who cluster around you..

    and just made up that lie..

    ‘cos..’ shooting the cows is (sic) wonderful phrase to get out there – ..”

    um..!..do you think that effects your/any credibility at all..?

    and .. could you give us a rough proportion /estimate of just how much more you just ‘make up’..here..?

    how much is pure goebbels-lies/propaganda..?

    and..how can we believe anything you say..?

    when you admit to just making shit like this up..?

    cos..it’s a ‘wonderful phrase to get out there’.. (!)

    ..eh..?

    whoar..!

    (‘holy rightwing lies/propaganda/shot credibility..!..batman..!.’.)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  64. Matthew (110 comments) says:

    Toad you might then like to answer why on Venus is it hotter at the poles then at the equator, and why is the dark side hotter than the light side? Certainly inconvenient questions that Carl Sagan failed to answer.

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  65. kahikatea (16 comments) says:

    “And shooting the cows is wonderful phrase to get out there”

    shooting cows may well be more humane than squeezing them into smelly trucks and trucking them long distances before leading them into strange buildings and cutting their throats, which is what is done currently.

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  66. radvad (734 comments) says:

    If evolution is true why is global warming a problem?

    Mine, burn, evolve I say.

    Edit: (for the benefit of the humourless zealots out there) just kidding (sort of).

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  67. OTGO (578 comments) says:

    “shooting cows may well be more humane than squeezing them into smelly trucks and trucking them long distances before leading them into strange buildings and cutting their throats, which is what is done currently”
    MMMmmmmm fillet steak. Yummy!

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  68. Nigel (493 comments) says:

    Impressive, National within 2 weeks have managed to offend damn near 100% of New Zealanders, either with the response to the Anti Smacking referendum or Mining National Parks.

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  69. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Nigel – I read here on Kiwiblog that National is “intent on completely destroying our national parks!”

    Perhaps this is just a “Wonderful phase” and in fact a lie!! On this blog, who knows?

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  70. gravedodger (1,575 comments) says:

    kahikatea FFS make an appointment and go to your local meatworks.The animal goes up a ramp as they do to go anywhere and the only change to previous is the application of paddles to the head and its lalaland, its a lot cheaper than flying to geneva on a one way ticket but the same outcome and I do know as i have inadvertantly contacted a 5000 v wire with myhead while my arms were in water and the only puzzle was WTF happened there, no pain at all.

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  71. Bok (550 comments) says:

    Reading the green supporters comments is far more funny than reading the darwin awards http://www.darwinawards.com/, yet slightly sadder and more poignant. I realise that you do have help like the social services, mental health unit and the like… but one cannot help but feel slightly saddened by their plight (these greens) The list reads like something Dame Edna would read with a tear in her eye…
    It is so out there, you are never quite sure if some-one is taking the piss.
    1) Delahunty the moon chaser…
    2) Jeanette the firebug ( green owned land does not pollute when it burns)
    3) Norman, Aussie did not want him (and they took on all sorts of crims so cannot be that fussy)
    4) Hagar “the CIA has implanted a chip in my brain”
    5) Toad “a cow patty is gourmet veges if the party say it is…”
    6) Ure, the big man that needed a weapon to scare women into giving him something…
    7) Village Idiot as a lady friend I know would say “holly sheet!! if you come below Ure on a list … mmm.
    8) Minto – the single most stupid man who draws a breath today.
    9) And Bradford. Oh dear.Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

    The one person that actually brought something to the table was told to piss off, not wanted, too sane, to concerned about the real enviroment. It is a real reality check when the only hope you had was a skateboarding rasta, and you could not even see it.

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  72. Ryan Sproull (7,359 comments) says:

    Bok, are you suggesting that you somehow disagree with the people you listed?

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  73. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    a well thought-out reasoned critique there ..oh clinically-obese/safari-suit-wearing-man..!

    and hey..given yr self-admitted ‘food-issues’..

    aren’t you the one who needs ‘help like the social services, mental health unit and the like…”..?

    and really..having personally seen yr out-of-it physical condition..bok..

    “.. one cannot help but feel slightly saddened by (your) plight..”

    eh..?

    (better go kneck some more big macs..!..eh..?..a coupla shakes with them..?)

    ..bok..?

    btw..does yr skin still look like an ove-rinflated basketball..?..about to burst..?

    how much ‘bigger ‘are you.?..since i saw you..?

    (you vision in a karitane-yellow safari-suit..?..you..!..eh..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  74. hj (7,136 comments) says:

    I’d have more respect for the greens conservation efforts if there economic policies paid more attention to rewarding those who work than rewarding people with a free rider mentality.

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  75. side show bob (3,410 comments) says:

    Actually the Melons are a good litmus test for the sanity of the Nation. When 95% of the population find them to be nothing more then raving certifiable nutjobs then we can take heart that at least most of us are on the right track.

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  76. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    you’ve seen through her! Watch out for her tremendous left-hook also. She’s pure, unchained fury if crossed, the devil incarnate, some say!

    Village Idiot:
    I’ll take your word for it.

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  77. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    I hope Copenhagen fails.

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  78. adc (558 comments) says:

    toad. Re the Venus analogy. You’re completely dreaming.

    For starters, as any first year physic student learns, energy flux at a distance from a point source radiator diminishes by the square of the distance from the source.

    Venus is about 100 million km from the sun.
    Earth is about 149 million km from the sun.

    So for starters, the energy density where we are is only 45% (1 / 1.49 squared) of what it is where Venus is. Or in other words, Venus gets hit with 220% as much energy per square meter as we do. Earth and Venus radii are close (6052km vs 6357 km). So from that we present 10% more surface area, so we are exposed to about half the total energy that Venus is.

    But hey, all those solar scientists that say that the sun is the factor that most influences our climate won’t help you sell your war on CO2, so go on ignoring them.

    Secondly, there have been times in the Earth’s history that the CO2 levels were much much higher than they are now, and the temps were much much higher also. There is however no evidence of the entire ocean having ever boiled away. Take a look out your window. The ocean is still there. When water evaporates and goes into the atmosphere, it has a cooling effect, so contrary to many climate models that treat water vapour as a positive feedback (for temperature) mechanism (or ignore it), it is in fact a negative / stabilising factor and accounts for 95% of the greenhouse effect.

    You want proof, go to the sea. It’s still there.

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  79. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    DPF said:

    “I had huge number of people saying they thought it was effective”

    Effective! Wow! Over-the-top-praise, for what you consider a “superb” post.

    Oh well.

    Fail.

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  80. frog (77 comments) says:

    Komata wrote “and neither is the fact that her cows emit large quantities of methane (She is of course a DAIRY farmer – an inconvenient truth) – and a shareholder in a large capitalist enterprise – Fonterra – all things she has very loudly condemned at various times.”

    These are all patent falsehoods. Jeanette has a couple of house cows – for her own milk production and consumption. To my knowledge, her farm exports fruit and veges, and chestnut flour, to the local farmer’s market. Jeanette is not a shareholder in Fonterra. It’s a cooperative of dairy farmers, and after this week’s decision, may well remain so.

    The only inconvenient truth, Komata, as that there is no truth in your words whatsoever. FAIL.

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  81. Ryan Sproull (7,359 comments) says:

    Okay, everyone stop saying “fail”. I believe I banned it several months ago. Keep up.

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