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		<title>By: WTM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609438</link>
		<dc:creator>WTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As others have said, the problem with any amalgamation is the risk that all the spending, events, facilities, get moved south to the Wellington CBD, leaving Upper City (where I live) nothing more than a domicile city. With barely any facilities, and given the WCC&#039;s &quot;spending tendencies&quot; higher rates.

As others have mentioned, UHCC is effeciently run focusing on the key functions of a council, in buildings with genuine 1970&#039;s styling.  At the last election no one, bar the usual joke candidate, stood against the incumbant mayor Wayne Guppy.

The simple reality is that for some of the other cities in the region an amalgamation is nothing more than a case of less for more, and there is likely to be little to any support from some the outer cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As others have said, the problem with any amalgamation is the risk that all the spending, events, facilities, get moved south to the Wellington CBD, leaving Upper City (where I live) nothing more than a domicile city. With barely any facilities, and given the WCC&#8217;s &#8220;spending tendencies&#8221; higher rates.</p>
<p>As others have mentioned, UHCC is effeciently run focusing on the key functions of a council, in buildings with genuine 1970&#8242;s styling.  At the last election no one, bar the usual joke candidate, stood against the incumbant mayor Wayne Guppy.</p>
<p>The simple reality is that for some of the other cities in the region an amalgamation is nothing more than a case of less for more, and there is likely to be little to any support from some the outer cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609422</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upper Hutt is run by the Mick Mafia isn&#039;t it? Sooner the whole bloody lot is amalgamated the better and we can sack most of the useless time-servers that occupy the Hutt City building. Pity the major earthquake has just been put back 200 years. Might have got most of the bastards before they got round to wasting 40 mill on a new palace for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upper Hutt is run by the Mick Mafia isn&#8217;t it? Sooner the whole bloody lot is amalgamated the better and we can sack most of the useless time-servers that occupy the Hutt City building. Pity the major earthquake has just been put back 200 years. Might have got most of the bastards before they got round to wasting 40 mill on a new palace for them.</p>
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		<title>By: jks</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609180</link>
		<dc:creator>jks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Northern/Tim, From a Dom post article earlier this year I recall the &quot;jewels in our crown&quot; aren&#039;t in great condition as it is. Otherwise yes, I agree with the sentiment that those of us out of Wellington City would be in danger of being marginalised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Northern/Tim, From a Dom post article earlier this year I recall the &#8220;jewels in our crown&#8221; aren&#8217;t in great condition as it is. Otherwise yes, I agree with the sentiment that those of us out of Wellington City would be in danger of being marginalised.</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609167</link>
		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh at least with Auckland, it will be fucked up properly and nobody will dare to touch the rest of the country!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh at least with Auckland, it will be fucked up properly and nobody will dare to touch the rest of the country!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see how having a massive council could ever be anything other than left wing. And the funny thing is I&#039;m moderately left wing myself and I still don&#039;t like the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see how having a massive council could ever be anything other than left wing. And the funny thing is I&#8217;m moderately left wing myself and I still don&#8217;t like the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Cerium</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609160</link>
		<dc:creator>Cerium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;next we will have an Oamaru/Kurow/Twizel “Super City”…&quot;

Already have, the largest city (in land area) in the country comprising Port Chalmers, Portobello, Waitati, Waikouaiti, Karitane, Mosgiel, Brighton, Outram, Middlemarch and a few smaller places as well. Don&#039;t know if the new Auckland will be bigger or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;next we will have an Oamaru/Kurow/Twizel “Super City”…&#8221;</p>
<p>Already have, the largest city (in land area) in the country comprising Port Chalmers, Portobello, Waitati, Waikouaiti, Karitane, Mosgiel, Brighton, Outram, Middlemarch and a few smaller places as well. Don&#8217;t know if the new Auckland will be bigger or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609158</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post by Owen McShane at 12.49...

Bit like company amalgamations, Owen. Sometimes they work, even for a long time, like General Motors, but more often it&#039;s just papering over the cracks.

Lefties love committees, inquiries, commissions, mergers,  restructuring, piling plans upon plans upon plans ... in other words their heaven comprises perpetual chatter. 

Oh well, if a large leftist organisation ends up running Auckland, with another running Wellington, it might become time for South Island-Aoraki to consider seeking entry into Australia as a  state. Better than being part of a declining, South Pacific version of Belarus or Cuba.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post by Owen McShane at 12.49&#8230;</p>
<p>Bit like company amalgamations, Owen. Sometimes they work, even for a long time, like General Motors, but more often it&#8217;s just papering over the cracks.</p>
<p>Lefties love committees, inquiries, commissions, mergers,  restructuring, piling plans upon plans upon plans &#8230; in other words their heaven comprises perpetual chatter. </p>
<p>Oh well, if a large leftist organisation ends up running Auckland, with another running Wellington, it might become time for South Island-Aoraki to consider seeking entry into Australia as a  state. Better than being part of a declining, South Pacific version of Belarus or Cuba.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609153</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be much happier if Wellington tried it first. Less to fuck up, and the people pulling the strings also have to live with the mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be much happier if Wellington tried it first. Less to fuck up, and the people pulling the strings also have to live with the mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rowling</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609152</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Rowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that I&#039;m dissing Auckland, it&#039;s got plenty going for it. But guys, you&#039;re just not *that* special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that I&#8217;m dissing Auckland, it&#8217;s got plenty going for it. But guys, you&#8217;re just not *that* special.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Rowling</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609149</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Rowling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of trolls have knuckled their way  down from Auckland onto the thread today I see.

Stig and Capitalist, your denigration of smaller places than Auckland is laughable - Auckland is smaller than such well known cosmpolitan metropolises as Heze, Guarulhos, Nizhny Novgorod, Palembang, Bursa, Tijuana...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of trolls have knuckled their way  down from Auckland onto the thread today I see.</p>
<p>Stig and Capitalist, your denigration of smaller places than Auckland is laughable &#8211; Auckland is smaller than such well known cosmpolitan metropolises as Heze, Guarulhos, Nizhny Novgorod, Palembang, Bursa, Tijuana&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: village idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609138</link>
		<dc:creator>village idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Farrar (1189) Vote:  3   0   Says: 

September 18th, 2009 at 9:02 am 
&lt;i&gt; Auckland has something like 29 sister cities between the different Councils. I suspect the new Council will have a handful only which is a plus.&lt;/i&gt;

No. By my reckoning, that&#039;s a minus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Farrar (1189) Vote:  3   0   Says: </p>
<p>September 18th, 2009 at 9:02 am<br />
<i> Auckland has something like 29 sister cities between the different Councils. I suspect the new Council will have a handful only which is a plus.</i></p>
<p>No. By my reckoning, that&#8217;s a minus.</p>
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		<title>By: bchapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>bchapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to a successful Greater Wellington will be how the local structures are set up and adminstered. I can&#039;t see the Wairapapa people accepting local boards with no property and employees like in Auckland&#039;s proposed structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to a successful Greater Wellington will be how the local structures are set up and adminstered. I can&#8217;t see the Wairapapa people accepting local boards with no property and employees like in Auckland&#8217;s proposed structure.</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are quite right Owen.  The problem is that people will just go even further out (you will see Auckland commuters living at Huntly) and this will only add to the traffic problem.  If the governance is bad for a long time, Auckland will lose out as business will start to steer clear and choose other centres such as Hamilton, Christchurch or (dare I say it) Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane or the Gold Coast as their New Zealand base.
I fear that the Auckland Super City with its Super Mayor will just end up dysfunctional, and any attempt to set one up in Wellington will end up exactly the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are quite right Owen.  The problem is that people will just go even further out (you will see Auckland commuters living at Huntly) and this will only add to the traffic problem.  If the governance is bad for a long time, Auckland will lose out as business will start to steer clear and choose other centres such as Hamilton, Christchurch or (dare I say it) Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane or the Gold Coast as their New Zealand base.<br />
I fear that the Auckland Super City with its Super Mayor will just end up dysfunctional, and any attempt to set one up in Wellington will end up exactly the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609105</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Queensland has had the good sense to reject Smart Growth and other planning theologies.

Unfortunately the whole logic behind the Super City is to promote Smart Growth. At the meeting at Matakana on Saturday the ARC folk were all quite clear that Rodney District had to be inside Auckland Council so that the Council could stop people leaving Auckland to live in Rodney Kaipara because of the attraction of low development contributions and hence low house prices etc.

The Berlin Wall has to be far enough out to stop people living where they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queensland has had the good sense to reject Smart Growth and other planning theologies.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the whole logic behind the Super City is to promote Smart Growth. At the meeting at Matakana on Saturday the ARC folk were all quite clear that Rodney District had to be inside Auckland Council so that the Council could stop people leaving Auckland to live in Rodney Kaipara because of the attraction of low development contributions and hence low house prices etc.</p>
<p>The Berlin Wall has to be far enough out to stop people living where they want.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to hear a council reps view, thanks Northern.

In principle I am in favour of one main council for Wellington, Porirua and the two Hutt cities, but and it&#039;s a big but, apart from Upper Hutt city where I live, it seems that most of the local councils are run by munters arguing about their own pet projects.
Wellington city councils Rob Goulden is not able to work with anybody at times, and Lower Hutt council struggles to be able to deal with the sea side suburb of Eastbourne being two obvious sore points. 
Also Porirua has very wealthy areas right next to low income areas and because of voting being based on populations not on households, we see rates based more on capital values and not flat household charges. (Feel free to correct me if I&#039;m wrong). In effect the high value homes subsidises the low value homes for rates services.

Upper Hutt isn&#039;t perfect, but it focuses more on the bread and butter and the ratepayers are happy with the council. To prove the fact, they&#039;ve had two mayors in the last 20-30 years.

So why would Porirua, Kapiti or Upper Hutt want to join the disfunctional population heavy weights Lower Hutt and Wellington City council and lose basically well run local services to fund the whims of Wellington CC and Lower Hutt CC???

I look to Auckland to see how that goes in the meantime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to hear a council reps view, thanks Northern.</p>
<p>In principle I am in favour of one main council for Wellington, Porirua and the two Hutt cities, but and it&#8217;s a big but, apart from Upper Hutt city where I live, it seems that most of the local councils are run by munters arguing about their own pet projects.<br />
Wellington city councils Rob Goulden is not able to work with anybody at times, and Lower Hutt council struggles to be able to deal with the sea side suburb of Eastbourne being two obvious sore points.<br />
Also Porirua has very wealthy areas right next to low income areas and because of voting being based on populations not on households, we see rates based more on capital values and not flat household charges. (Feel free to correct me if I&#8217;m wrong). In effect the high value homes subsidises the low value homes for rates services.</p>
<p>Upper Hutt isn&#8217;t perfect, but it focuses more on the bread and butter and the ratepayers are happy with the council. To prove the fact, they&#8217;ve had two mayors in the last 20-30 years.</p>
<p>So why would Porirua, Kapiti or Upper Hutt want to join the disfunctional population heavy weights Lower Hutt and Wellington City council and lose basically well run local services to fund the whims of Wellington CC and Lower Hutt CC???</p>
<p>I look to Auckland to see how that goes in the meantime.</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brisbane City (mayor Newman is from the libs) seems to work, and stuff gets done there - they have a state government that is prepared to spend on infrastructure (and a Labor one at that).  The Gold Coast City Council seems to do quite a bit better than Brisbane though - it doesn&#039;t have anywhere near the traffic problems of Brisbane (perhaps because much of the growth is post-WW2) but still appears like an old boys club at times (such as exempting the Surfer&#039;s Paradise Hilton from the development charges that everyone else has to pay).
Brisbane City was also set up in the 1920s, so people have had a long time to get used to how stuff works there.  The downside is that the city is so big, if anyone needs access to officials you are pretty much guaranteed to talk to someone down the pecking order.  Ditto for GCCC.
Incidentally, the Brisbane City Council turns over more revenue than the state of Tasmania.
My thoughts are that Queensland cities would just get on with building stuff even if they were more fragmented than they are.  One only has to look at the Tugun Bypass debacle (Queensland paid for a road built partly in NSW after the NSW government refused to help fund it, and the NSW government had the cheek to ask for stamp duty for the land) to know that politics won&#039;t get in the way of a good infrastructure project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brisbane City (mayor Newman is from the libs) seems to work, and stuff gets done there &#8211; they have a state government that is prepared to spend on infrastructure (and a Labor one at that).  The Gold Coast City Council seems to do quite a bit better than Brisbane though &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t have anywhere near the traffic problems of Brisbane (perhaps because much of the growth is post-WW2) but still appears like an old boys club at times (such as exempting the Surfer&#8217;s Paradise Hilton from the development charges that everyone else has to pay).<br />
Brisbane City was also set up in the 1920s, so people have had a long time to get used to how stuff works there.  The downside is that the city is so big, if anyone needs access to officials you are pretty much guaranteed to talk to someone down the pecking order.  Ditto for GCCC.<br />
Incidentally, the Brisbane City Council turns over more revenue than the state of Tasmania.<br />
My thoughts are that Queensland cities would just get on with building stuff even if they were more fragmented than they are.  One only has to look at the Tugun Bypass debacle (Queensland paid for a road built partly in NSW after the NSW government refused to help fund it, and the NSW government had the cheek to ask for stamp duty for the land) to know that politics won&#8217;t get in the way of a good infrastructure project.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But when so many mega mergers have failed so badly surely it is prudent to assume there may be a systemic problem - or are we convinced that Auckland can guarantee the Super City will be staffed and led by Super Beings.

As it happens the evidence from the UK US and Canada is that mega mergers lead to dominance by the left.
Remember Red Ted - first Mayor of the Greater London Council.

Les Brown and Mike Lee will almost certainly be the Mayor and Deputy Mayor of Auckland. The transition agency is already being dominated by lefties. We seem to be following the trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But when so many mega mergers have failed so badly surely it is prudent to assume there may be a systemic problem &#8211; or are we convinced that Auckland can guarantee the Super City will be staffed and led by Super Beings.</p>
<p>As it happens the evidence from the UK US and Canada is that mega mergers lead to dominance by the left.<br />
Remember Red Ted &#8211; first Mayor of the Greater London Council.</p>
<p>Les Brown and Mike Lee will almost certainly be the Mayor and Deputy Mayor of Auckland. The transition agency is already being dominated by lefties. We seem to be following the trend.</p>
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		<title>By: KiwiGreg</title>
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		<dc:creator>KiwiGreg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Owen McShane The point is it SHOULD work.  Bad execution doesn&#039;t necessarilly mean the policy is bad, just that we end up with a bunch of fucktards running councils</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Owen McShane The point is it SHOULD work.  Bad execution doesn&#8217;t necessarilly mean the policy is bad, just that we end up with a bunch of fucktards running councils</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Wellington super-city? Aren&#039;t we getting ahead of ourselves? Let&#039;s see how the Auckland experiment goes first.

All the talk above about sister city junkets and waste. Is this stuff going to be easier or harder to control in a super-council? I think it will be harder. We&#039;ll have a mayor who&#039;s paid more than the PM, who will appoint himself some Ministers of Economic Development etc and spend a fortune running around studying the rest of the world and making busy work.

I like the idea of economies of scales etc, but unless the remit of these super-councils is tightly defined, we&#039;ll just end up with multiple governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Wellington super-city? Aren&#8217;t we getting ahead of ourselves? Let&#8217;s see how the Auckland experiment goes first.</p>
<p>All the talk above about sister city junkets and waste. Is this stuff going to be easier or harder to control in a super-council? I think it will be harder. We&#8217;ll have a mayor who&#8217;s paid more than the PM, who will appoint himself some Ministers of Economic Development etc and spend a fortune running around studying the rest of the world and making busy work.</p>
<p>I like the idea of economies of scales etc, but unless the remit of these super-councils is tightly defined, we&#8217;ll just end up with multiple governments.</p>
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		<title>By: pkiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/09/a_super-capital.html#comment-609069</link>
		<dc:creator>pkiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree Brian.  Amalgamation without limitation of powers is a recipe for disaster.  Local Government has shown if they can spend it, they will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree Brian.  Amalgamation without limitation of powers is a recipe for disaster.  Local Government has shown if they can spend it, they will.</p>
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