All about economics

September 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm by David Farrar

On Thursday I had a choice of evenings. I could go out for a drink with my attractive young visitor from the United Kingdom, or I could attend the annual general meeting of the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research.

For reasons that frankly elude me, I chose to go to the NZIER AGM. I was interested that they have an AGM, as I assumed they were a private company.

It turns out that the NZIER is in fact a non-profit incorporated society dedicated to economic research. Any “profits” they make they invest in teaching and promoting economics.

There has been a tendency by some on the left to try and demonise NZIER as part of the vast right wing conspiracy, producing reports to please their corporate paymasters.

Apart from the fact their 2009 NZIER economics award went to Brian Easton (whom I’m sure would not object to being described as definitely not part of the right wing), they have have around 100 members, from both the public and private sector. The members elect the Board.

I like their independence, in that the membership fee is relatively modest (for non individuals) at $1,700, and it means they are not beholden to any one large funder.

The AGM was a fairly brief affair, and was followed by the award to Brian Easton. The final paragraph says:

The “advancement of economics and its applications in New Zealand” requires decisions to be made, often in a political context. If politics is indeed the art of the possible, then the boundaries of what is politically possible, let alone desirable, will be widened if the interested and influential public has an adequate understanding of the reasons why certain actions might be considered by policymakers, and of what the consequences of those actions might be, or might be hoped to be. The Award’s recipient has been an outstanding economic journalist, and a participant in public economic debates, bringing unusually broad perspectives to issues of lasting importance, for over 30 years. The public of New Zealand has benefited greatly from his tireless work, and from the exceptional clarity of his writing. He has indeed “advanced the study and understanding of economic matters directly or indirectly affecting New Zealand”, as the Award seeks to recognise and promote.

I disagree with many of Brian Easton’s views, but have always enjoyed the clarity of his writings, and wealth of research. I also appreciated his willingness to debate issues – at one of my first Young Nationals conferences we had Brian and Roger Kerr debate economic policy, and it was a fairly lively debate!

After the presentation, we had an address from Dr Steven Dunaway. I twiittered a few extracts from his address, which got a bit of interested Q&A on Twitter.

Dr Dunaway is an Adjunct Senior Fellow for International Economics at the (US) Council for Foreign Relations. He is a former deputy director of the International Monetary Fund’s Asia Pacific department.

Dunaway talked about global imbalances and the prospects for the world economy (and New Zealand). It was pretty sobering stuff as the point was made economic growth in many countries post-crisis will not be anywhere near as strong as it was pre-crisis. He says

At this juncture, the situation overall is not encouraging. While some policies being pursued will facilitate the adjustment of global imbalances, actions in many countries appear likely to add to imbalances over time, and the lack of needed policy actions—especially structural reforms—in other countries will delay adjustment as well. Consequently, the outlook for recovery and growth in the world economy does not look good. With adjustment in imbalances occurring in the United States that will result in significantly slower growth in demand, the key challenge for the world economy will be to find other sources of demand to take the place of the U.S.

In other words, don’t expect the US to lead the world out of recession into growth. No surprise as their unemployment figures hit almost 10% this week. Guess the fiscal stimulus didn’t work that well!

However, this appears likely to be a daunting task. None of the
other major economies appear inclined to make the necessary changes in policies to deal with their imbalances and raise their demand. In these circumstances, the world is likely to face a prolonged period of slower growth and greater instability than it has known for several decades.

For a small, open economy like New Zealand, this situation will pose a very inhospitable environment. While there is little that New Zealand can do to change things, the key to making the best of a bad situation will be to retain the economy’s flexibility and adaptability.

So if we want unemployment to stop growing, and start shrinking, we need to flexible and adaptable. And it means we don’t have so much the luxury to say “Let’s just ignore all those minerals in the ground”.

He then looks at the US:

There are reasons to believe that the U.S. household savings rate will rise significantly above its current level. Households have experienced a substantial decline in financial wealth, as well as a sharp fall in the value of housing. Savings will have to rise as individuals seek to rebuild their wealth. …

The U.S. government will also have to increase its savings to deal with the massive fiscal deficit that has opened up, …

The conclusion is:

Therefore, it can be expected that national savings in the United States will rise substantially in the period ahead. Thus, adjustment in the U.S. savings and investment imbalance will take place and the current account deficit will narrow. Consequently, demand in the United States over the next decade or so will grow substantially slower than it has in the preceding three decades.

So how about Europe:

Europe is an unlikely candidate to pick up the slack in world demand resulting from slower U.S. growth. Major European countries—particularly Germany—look likely to remain heavily dependent on exports to drive their economies. This situation reflects in part a sense of complacency among the Europeans and a lack of political will, especially in current circumstances, to make some difficult policy choices.

A good start would be their agricultural protectionism and subsidies.

No serious consideration is being given to diversifying their economies by removing barriers that constrain Europe’s growth. There is no appetite for dealing with the significant rigidities that exist in labor and product markets. Instead, the Europeans are content to wait for world growth to resume.

But the biggest problem is the Euro:

But the biggest problem for Europe is within the euro area. The area’s southern countries (Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain) have become noncompetitive both within the euro area and externally. Since they are now members of the euro, they cannot rely—as they have in the past—on changes in their nominal exchange rates to produce a real depreciation in order to restore their competitiveness. They have only two choices. They can raise competitiveness by improving the efficiency of their economies through structural reforms. Or slow economic growth in these countries to allow an improvement in competitiveness through lower inflation than in the rest of the euro area. The latter is the likely way that competitiveness will be improved because of a lack of political will to implement needed reforms in these countries’ product and labor markets. As a result, the countries of Southern Europe are in for a long and economically painful adjustment. This adjustment is likely to severely test the future of monetary union and the euro.

Dunaway actually went on to say he thought some of those countries might even fall out of the Euro.

So we look at Japan:

Japan is expected to do little to pick up the slack in world demand. The country appears to be on the verge of slipping into its second major deflation in the last two decades.

And can they improve:

The only hope for lifting Japan’s potential growth rate and domestic demand over the medium term lies in implementing badly needed structural reforms—especially increasing the flexibility of product markets and improving access to the labor market. Enacting such measures would entail taking on entrenched vested interests and changing cultural norms.

The short version of this, was Japan needs to get way more women into the workforce.

And then China:

The low cost of capital coupled with the poor intermediation of savings by the major state-owned commercial banks has resulted in substantial resources being directed toward the large state-owned enterprises, which tend to be in capital-intensive industries. As a result, production in China has become very capital intensive, creating the rather ironic situation that output growth does not generate much employment growth in a country that has such a large pool of underemployed workers. The official targetfor growth is set at 8 percent because that level of growth is viewed as being required to produce the 1-2 percent of employment growth needed per year to absorb new entrants to the work force and reduce somewhat the substantial underemployment of labor in the rural areas.

So even China is no silver bullet. But some advice for them:

Financial market reform is also needed to improve the intermediation of savings in China. Lifting the cap on deposit rates would not only help push up the cost of capital, it would also increase competition in the banking sector and provide incentives for banks to expand credit to new customers. Bond and equity markets need to be more fully developed to provide alternative sources of financing for firms and a much broader
array of assets for households to invest in. Small- and medium-sized firms have had to rely largely on retained earnings or the assets of their owners to finance investment. Consumers also have had limited access to credit. Better credit access and higher yielding assets to invest in would reduce household saving and raise household incomes over time, boosting consumption.

And finally we have New Zealand:

The key to assessing implications of the current account deficit for New Zealand’s future is to understand the sources of the deficit and how it is being financed. New Zealand’s current account deficit does not really look to be part of the problem of global as defined in this paper. Structural problems in New Zealand’s economy do not appear to be a factor contributing to the deficit. Looking at macroeconomic level data, the deficit also does not appear to arise from a basic imbalance between savings and investment.

So far so good.

Some indirect evidence as to whether a serious imbalance existed between savings and investment can be inferred from the behavior of New Zealand’s exchange rate. If domestic demand in New Zealand (particularly driven by low savings) had been a major factor behind the rise in the current account deficit, then it would have been expected that the exchange rate would depreciate. Instead, the exchange rate appreciated strongly over the period after 2006 when the current account deficit was rising sharply. This currency appreciation suggests that it was capital flowing into New Zealand that in effect pushed the current account into a larger deficit.

A useful context for the debate over our current account deficit.

In the end, it is obvious that there is little that New Zealand can do to escape the effects of the slow recovery in the world economy that is in prospect. It can also do little to change this outcome. With a slow world economic recovery, commodity prices can be expected to be relatively stagnant for some time, especially prices for the type of “soft” commodities that New Zealand produces.

And finally:

To survive and prosper the best it can in such a hostile environment, New Zealand’s economy will have to retain its considerable flexibility and adaptability. This is the only way a small, open economy will be able to cope with the stiff challenges that it is likely to face.

And this is why it is important we have flexibility in not just capital markets, but also labour markets. I’m not an advocate for no minimum wage, but consider as youth unemployment soars, how many more young people may have kept their jobs if youth rates had not been abolished.

After the speech we had dinner at Icon Restaurant. Around 50 – 60 people all up. As I blogged in another post my table discussed the pros and cons of intensity based carbon credit allocations in trade exposed industries, and it amused me that it was probably the only time one could ever have such a discussion over dinner, with everyone participating!

So all in all, was an interesting night.

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21 Responses to “All about economics”

  1. bchapman (646) Says:

    The problem for NZ is that our labour market is becoming entwined with Australia’s. Its almost getting to the point where you can work in one country and live in the other.
    Its ok being flexible with labour but unless we can find ways to keep our skilled workers over here- our productivity will suffer.
    We do have a huge number if lifestyle advantages- maybe if we can project NZ as a better place to bring up a family (ie better schools and health care) we can hold onto some of the more talented creative workers.

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  2. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,446) Says:

    This whole dismal account seems to indicate that of all the stupid things we could do to thoroughly fuck up our economy at this particular time, there could be none better than entering into a loony-toons Emmissions Trading Scheme. With all the major western economies facing slow growth, stagflation or worse, does anyone seriously think they are going to do anything that will further damage themselves?

    It is a pity the ‘great man’ did not pass commentary on either India, Brazil or Russia.

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  3. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,446) Says:

    bchapman, that’s quite difficult when we don’t actually have better health care or better schools.

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  4. bchapman (646) Says:

    Adolf,
    Isn’t that why we have a government- to provide for those things? In my mind that’s what separates first from third world.

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  5. stephen (4,063) Says:

    Dunaway actually went on to say he thought some of those countries might even fall out of the Euro.

    Anyone know how that would happen?

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  6. PaulL (5,195) Says:

    Adolf – even if we must have some sort of emissions trading scheme, nobody outside NZ expects that to include agriculture. Why on earth would we be pushing agriculture in, knowing that it will result in the decimation of NZ’s main export industry, and that our competitors will pick up the slack with likely higher greenhouse gas emissions than NZ had in the first place? So we destroy our export industries with the net effect of worsening emissions. There’s a great idea.

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  7. Kimble (3,691) Says:

    “Isn’t that why we have a government- to provide for those things? In my mind that’s what separates first from third world.”

    Yep, government provision of healthcare and education are what separates the first world from the third world. 100%

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  8. Nigel (460) Says:

    A very nice summary indeed, about the only thing I’m surprised was missing was what effect more internal Asean trade will have on the Asean economies & by extension NZ/Australia on the periphery.

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  9. Jack5 (3,021) Says:

    This seems to offer a good argument why NZ should not adopt the Australian dollar as its currency. First we can see how adopting he euro has stopped the southern Europeans bouncing back when the German and French north outperforms them. Gold, iron ore, coal, uranium boom while soft commodities stagnate, then a high Australian dollar strangles our exporters.

    Second the economists argue the answer for NZ is flexibility, and we will become less flexibility if we lose power to influence currency and interest rates etc.

    But what of the massive capital inflow that has driven up the kiwi dollar and caused a trade imbalance? Do these guys suggest the imbalance will automatically adjust once the capital flow slows? What about loss in the meantime of infrastructure — manufacturers, plant, skilled workers, training facilities. Will these magically re-appear when the capital tide reverses?

    Do the economists’ conclusions suggest NZ should control capital inflow to manage the currency and thus exports v imports?

    Do these economists know how solve the problems they identify?

    Does our economic lethargy all boil down to sell more and buy less?

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  10. Anthony (622) Says:

    Comes back to us being obsessed with housing. We have a huge capital inflow to fund our propensity for buying shitty old houses off each other on the hope that we will make big fat, tax free capital gains. Some of us have been pointing this out for years but we are a bunch of ostriches, heads stuck in the sand thinking everything is fine!

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  11. BlueDevil (91) Says:

    NZ is a producer of Gold, Iron (sands), Coal and 75% self sufficent in oil when Maari hits full production.

    With less NIMBYism and ‘Green’ activism we could product a lot more.

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  12. BlueDevil (91) Says:

    Anthony
    Buying houses of each other doesn’t affect capital inflows.
    It is a zero sum game. You buy a house off me, I bank the money, the bank lends the money to you.
    The problem happens when the house value doubles and you say ‘Goody, now I can borrow more money to get a Pajero, a flatscreen and a trip to Surfers’.
    When we don’t export enough dairy to pay for your nonproductive toys, the bank borrows from the Japanese to pay for them.
    You maybe able to pay the loan and interest in NZD but the Japanese want Yen.
    Now NZ has to pay interest and capital in foreign currency to pay back the loan on your toys that don’t produce any export income.

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  13. PaulL (5,195) Says:

    Nice summary BlueDevil. The underlying cause is the same though – fictitious gains for low quality property driven by artificial scarcity. Leading to capital balance issues. Solution: remove the artificial scarcity. Likelihood of implementation: zero. Any government that devalues the major asset of 80% of NZers is not going to get voted back in.

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  14. MajorBloodnok (356) Says:

    So, DPF, any regrets about not choosing your other option for the evening? ;-)

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  15. Jack5 (3,021) Says:

    Re Blue Devil at 5.36…

    True, but…

    NZ gold output hit a 30 year peak last year, but this was still about one-seventeenth of the gold Australia produced.
    Our iron ore production is less than 0.34 per cent of Australia’s. Our coal exports will lift when Pyke River finally comes into operation, but until then is running under 5 million tonnes , less than 1.2 per cent of Australia’s 420 million tonnes. NZ produced about 21.3 million barrels of oil and condensate last year, about 4.4 per cent of the 480 million barrels Australia produced. Australia is also in the top 10 in the world in gas reserves.

    Mining can certainly help NZ, but we are not in the same league as Australia. And if Groser and Brash are counting the undersea reserves they might have to wait a few more decades until it is economic enough to bring up the gas and nickel.

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  16. bruceh (101) Says:

    Can anyone think of any NZ politician other than Roger Douglas who would have taken us from what was then our passionately loved, totally rigid Polish shipyard economy to the very flexible, open, adaptable economy praised by Dunaway as being the only way for NZ to cope with the challenges ahead?

    I guess Ruth comes to mind.; But then she didn’t have a Prebble, De Cleene, Lange, Caygill, Moore, Bassett and Palmer backing her to do the early hard yards.

    Anybody finding anything wrong with what Douglas is currently saying with what needs to be done and how?

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  17. malcolm (2,000) Says:

    Jack5 wrote:

    This seems to offer a good argument why NZ should not adopt the Australian dollar as its currency.

    Adopting the Australian dollar seems a very parochial and modest ambition. They’re doing better than us but why exchange our tiny currency for a small currency?

    I would favour using the US dollar. We wouldn’t even need to get the government involved; people could just start using it. I have a friend who runs a software company and most of his sales are in $US. He could start paying his staff (biggest expense) in that and it could go from there.

    As well as the benefit of a more stable currency, we would get the world-reserve-currency-advantage of cheaper money (on average).

    The $NZ is too small; a bunch of Japanese housewives can send it all over the place.

    cheers

    Malcolm

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  18. Anthony (622) Says:

    I agree with BD that my logic wasn’t quite correct. Many of those seeing their property values rise congratulate themselves on their business prowess and spend up on imported consumables or borrow more to buy yet more shitty old houses – hence capital inflows to purchase something that adds no productive capacity to the economy. Then high interest rates needed to try to curb the excess consumption push up the exchange rate which means our exports buy fewer imports and there is even less hope of us paying our way in the world!

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  19. clintheine (1,534) Says:

    Bruceh. Nope. Not then and definitely not now. Apart from Rogers and his colleagues.

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  20. Nigel (460) Says:

    Buying goods upon sale of your property is one thing, remortgaging the current one to top up your income, now that will ( & has ) cause issues.

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  21. freedom101 (350) Says:

    Didn’t National recently increase the minimum wage? Good idea given rapidly rising unemployment! Kind of cancels out the ‘job summit’ doesn’t it?

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