Families Commission on Maori Seats

September 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm by David Farrar

Just watching a recording of Q&A and Paul Holmes has revealed that the put in a submission on the legislation advocating for .

They defended their submission on the grounds that how Auckland is governed can affect families/whanau. What a ridicolous justification.

I would say every law passed by Parliament can be argued to have an impact on families. That doesn’t mean we need to be putting in millions of dollars into the Families Commission to be making submissions on laws that really are well outside what should be their core area of focus.

I’m still unconvinced we get anything near value for money by having a Families Commission. Some of the stuff they have been involved in is useful (I think the anti domestic violence TV ads are quite good), but these may well have occurred even if there was no Families Commission.

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34 Responses to “Families Commission on Maori Seats”

  1. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Reason for contempt of Peter Dunne number 4807..

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  2. whalehunter (479 comments) says:

    no need to sell state assets when you can shut down state liabilities.

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  3. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    If there was ever a better reason for contemptible, busybody packs of useless beaurecrats to be sacked, the FC would be first on the list IMO.
    Every day useless quangos like this remain in action is an indictment on the Nats. Why would JK use double the political capital in appointing Christine Rankin to it than he would of used by chopping the fucking thing altogether??

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  4. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,824 comments) says:

    I think the anti domestic violence TV ads are quite good

    Because smug bastards on TV at the taxpayer’s expense is what makes New Zealand great. :roll:

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  5. whalehunter (479 comments) says:

    easy… ditch them!

    just feed kids at school, teach them basic finance, law, history… (not just sport).

    social welfare overhall.

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  6. Cerium (23,424 comments) says:

    I’m surprised the advocated for Maori seats too. But there is a need for some research and advocacy, although I’m not sure that separate commissions are the most efficient and cost effective way to do it. Yeah, I know some say we should scrap all bureaucracy but sometimes decent research is needed to determine the best priorities and approaches.

    Family and societal violence is a good example. A huge and complex problem. Most people would agree that something needs to be done about it, you have to research to determine what actually might work.

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  7. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    we probably have more maori in parliament than ever before, and we’ve had separate maori seats there for how long?

    -the theory doesn’t seem to work there

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  8. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,873 comments) says:

    How long has this wretched commission been in operation?

    It seems the only function it has is to help pay the salaries of gestating Labour Party candidates. Has it EVER put forward ONE piece of research confirming the appalling role of Maori in our Mokopuna Murder toll? No, because it had a Maori stooge in its ranks until the timely arrival of Christine Rankin forced the slab butted apologist out.

    Will the current incumbent suddenly appear on the Labour list alongside leader Shearer or Mallard?

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  9. Chuck Bird (4,821 comments) says:

    I wonder if they think there should be an “h” in Wanganui?

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  10. Letterman (184 comments) says:

    (I think the anti domestic violence TV ads are quite good), says DPF.

    These would be the ads based on the Duluth Wheel Approach of Domestic Violence, which assumes:

    1/ Violence, is in essence, a “male” problem.
    2/ Empowers an implicit refusal to acknowledge violence done TO men, BY women.
    3/ All responsibility for reducing violence is the responsibility of men.
    4/ Men and only men need to be blamed and shamed, absent of giving them any insight into their behaviour.
    5/ Ideology trumping science.
    6/ Only one cause of domestic violence (men) and therefore only one solution (stigmatise men).
    7/ That the model works, with no science to back up such an asumption.
    8/ That a “wounded healer” is the best source of resource allocation and intervention.

    I could go on, but I think I have made my point.

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  11. backster (2,139 comments) says:

    There are six of them they spend $8,000,000 a year including over $300,000 on transport.. Where is the promise to spend more on the frontline John KEY. Dump DUNNE and his useless parasites.

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  12. Cerium (23,424 comments) says:

    Letterman, I presume you accept that men are responsible for a lot of domestic violence? What model do you thing would address this?

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  13. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    To me the issue is if it’s okay to target gender due to statistics, then why is it not okay to target other things like race, if the statistics show the same imbalance

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  14. KiwiGreg (3,246 comments) says:

    Families Commission was set up as a bribe to United by Labour, and retained for the same reason by National. It’s pretty easy to set this type of Bureacracy up but damn hard to just kill them even when they demonstrably offer no value for money.

    As a general rule of business if you have a part of your organisation not actually producing the good or service you make or deliver try terminating it. See if it has any negative impact on your business and then maybe bring it back 9 times out of 10 you will notice no or postive impacts. 10 times out of 10 for anything with “communications” or “strategy” in its title.

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  15. Letterman (184 comments) says:

    Cerium, I tend go where the evidence leads:

    Domestic violence and mental health
    8 February, 2006

    Latest research from the long-running Christchurch Health and Development Study (CHDS) at the University of Otago’s Christchurch School of Medicine and Health Sciences, calls into question conventional thinking about domestic violence between partners, and its effects on mental health.

    This study by Professor David Fergusson, published in the Journal of Marriage and Family, surveyed 828 males and females at 25 years regarding violence between partners and the impact on mental health. The violence recorded ranged from psychological abuse to serious physical attack.

    “In broad terms the results provide a challenge to the dominant view that domestic violence is a ‘women’s issue’, and that it arises predominantly from assaults by males against females,” says Prof. Fergusson.

    “In fact, what our findings suggest is that amongst young adults, men and women are equally violent towards partners, in terms of the range of acts of domestic violence examined in this study.”

    The research shows the range of violence committed by men and women is similar, and that both men and women engage in serious physical attacks on their partners. The consequences of this domestic violence in terms of injury and psychological effects are also similar for both sexes.

    The findings confirm other overseas studies that violent partnerships are more likely to be associated with psychosocial problems relating to childhood adversity, mental health disorders and other life course difficulties.

    “Domestic violence tends to occur in those relationships which have a wider psychosocial history of disadvantage and difficulty,” says Professor Fergusson.

    The research shows that domestic violence also has an impact on the mental health of those involved, even when other background factors, which might result in mental problems, are taken into account. With increasing exposure to violence there is a greater likelihood of mental health problems developing in both men and women.

    Disorders such as depression, anxiety and suicide are between 1.5 and 11.9 times higher in those people who experience domestic violence than those who don’t.

    However, Professor Fergusson says this study suggests the need for a broadening of analysis of domestic violence away from focussing on male perpetrators and female victims, to examining violent couples who use aggression in their relationship.

    “This points to family policies that encourage couples to work together to harmonise their relationships and to overcome the collective adversities they face.”

    Professor Fergussion says we need to understand why studies of community samples such as the CHDS usually show an absence of gender differences in domestic violence, whereas other sources dealing with severe violence, such as Women’s Refuge or police complaints, report a predominance of male perpetrators. “The best way of doing this is to study a large sample to examine the frequency of common couple violence involving mutual assaults and the frequency of more severe forms of domestic violence,” he says. This study only applies to young people, and domestic violence tends to decrease with age.

    The research was funded by the Health Research Council, the National Child Health Research Foundation, the Canterbury Medical Research Foundation and the Lottery Grants Board.

    For further information contact:

    Professor David Fergusson
    Christchurch Health and Development Study
    Christchurch School of Medicine and Health Sciences, University of Otago
    (03) 372 0406 (03) 352 1476 (h)
    david.fergusson@chmeds.ac.nz

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  16. homepaddock (435 comments) says:

    The interview had confirmed my view the money spent on the Families Commission would be better spent on other groups/initiatives which make a positive difference before Holmes got to the submission on the Maori seats. That just reinforced the Commission is wasting our money.

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  17. Razork (375 comments) says:

    They would the same ads fronted by Tana Umaga?
    Ironic.

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  18. big bruv (13,672 comments) says:

    Wash your mouth out Raz

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  19. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    What a pompous dick this women is, just watched her clip on Q+A.
    Obviously desperately trying to justify her large taxpayer salary.
    Although Paul Holmes is as wet and limp wristed as the next socialist, good on him for asking her what the Families Commission had achieved. And what a joke trying to deny it is politicised, the ex chief executive a Labour list MP, support for anti-smacking bill, and puts in a submission over this.. what a joke.

    “whanau can vote like everyone else” re Maori seats haha

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  20. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Should a dis-establishing a useless handwringing pompous quango as part of good governmental practise be a criminal offence in New Zealand?

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  21. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Take back my 5.11, good on Paul Holmes, he was actually getting stuck into this useless paper shuffler

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  22. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    This is absolutely pathetic!

    What we have here is a so-called Families Commission with the role to advocate for ALL NZ FAMILIES….

    Has this commission gathered wide-spread support from most families in support of Maori seats in the Super Council?

    Does this commission choose to ignore the overwhelming referendum result on section 59 by consistently deciding to support the law as it stands now?

    Abolish this commission now or force significant changes in how it operates – there are lines and procedures that have obviously been crossed here and I want to see reform and justice!

    If this is a commission that refuses to buckle then clearly it should be abolished – imagine the Ministry of Social Development coming out in support for reform in the Welfare system.

    This is NOT a commission that represents me as a family man and I am appalled that it is even still considered “the NZ Families Commission”…

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  23. tvb (4,313 comments) says:

    They can speak out on what they like, but this shows they really have nothing to do and are a waste of public money. I feel a 20% cut in their funding if they can find time for this.

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  24. Kingi (142 comments) says:

    …which is why Mr. DPF is not a Families Commissioner :)

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  25. Steve (4,539 comments) says:

    Yet another Government Department that bangs the Maori drum in fear that if they don’t they will be labeled anti Maori

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  26. kaya (1,360 comments) says:

    I would hazard a guess we have more talking heads in this country per capita than anywhere in the world except maybe Brussels. I have never been anywhere that announced so many reports, commissions, study groups and investigations each year, usually as a way to distract attention from a current issue.

    These bludgers are worse than the ones at the other end of the scale. The poor ones are cheaper to maintain and don’t actually prevent the rest of us going about our lives in an efficient manner.

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  27. Blue Coast (165 comments) says:

    If the current grapevine is correct Dunny is putting himself out to pasture before next election which means the $8m waste will be gone.

    However some whispers are strongly suggesting Kerry P’s job as mayor of the capital is what he wants.

    The last thing Wellington needs is a pompous prick as mare.

    Bet he denies any “mare oll” suggestions if questioned by the MSM.

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  28. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,873 comments) says:

    Perhaps Mr Key could arrange a job for him as our representative to the International Wailing Commission.

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  29. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    $8-9 MILLION dollars is the budget that the Families Commission receives annually…

    Paul Holmes asked the question to the commissioner “what exactly has the commission achieved in the last 5 years of its existence”…
    Apart from the “its not okay” campaign – it has spent $300 thousand dollars on airfares alone (according to the commissioner most members live outside of Wellington) and often only prints pamphlets (that most Pacific Islander’s and Maori won’t bother reading) and supports or links onto other family orientated initiatives.
    This is a completely pointless commission and if ask me, vast changes should be implemented as of now or it should be abolished!

    Even the “its not okay campaign” seems to be a waste of time and funding because family violence statistics and reports have pointed to a sharp rise in occurrences – what we have here is a commission that likes to talk about the issues and discuss options BUT actually does very little in implementing action around them.

    I don’t see much point in this commission’s continued and prolonged existence – especially if it “claims” to represent all New Zealand families and yet supports Maori seats on the council and section 59 remaining as it is today.

    The right thing to do here is rid of such nonsense!

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  30. Bob (496 comments) says:

    I didn’t think that woman mentioned anything of substance. She might think she is achieving something but I think that money could be better used elsewhere.

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  31. freedom101 (491 comments) says:

    We need to cap government spending and then start making some hard choices about what we keep and what we biff out. Without a line in the sand it is almost impossible to rein in spending, which just keeps growing. Once a government programme takes root it’s harder to eradicate than possums in the Urewera!!

    The FC has to be the biggest waste of time. Actually, I can think of others which are at least as bad, if not worse ………

    DPF – can you run a poll of say 10 dubious agencies and see what the punters think – let them vote and we’ll find out which are the least valued.

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  32. Brian Smaller (4,037 comments) says:

    Apparently both Labour and National thought it was a cheap way of getting one vote.

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  33. nickb (3,686 comments) says:

    Agreed Brian. WTF.
    The sooner Peter “The Political Prostitute” Dunne disappers from the political landscape the better.

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  34. thas (61 comments) says:

    The good doctor kept harping on about the Families Commission being necessary because it is an independent source of advice to the government – funny, I thought thats what government departments were supposed to provide (“without fear or favour”). The rot runs so deep that Crown entity CEOs don’t even seem to recognise the concept in the civil service anymore (she kept justifying the FC’s existence by differentiating it from Social Welfare etc). Off with her head!

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