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Pete George

It’s a rare person who wants to hear what he doesn’t want to hear. – Dick Cavett
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September 25, 2009 7:48am
Chthoniid

The TGIF photo today is a ‘snapshot’ of Sirrocco, the kakapo, when he was at Auckland Zoo.

http://chthoniid.zenfolio.com/img/v0/p218491151-4.jpg

It was a bit of a challenge to shoot, as the enclosure was dark and I was shooting through a glass barrier. Technical bits are that it’s an ISO1600 shot, 1/15 sec, shot at f2.8 and a 90mm prime lens. But hey, you don’t often get the chance to see a kakapo.
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September 25, 2009 7:51am
siobhan

Is it just me – or does anybody else cringe when they hear the enthusiasm about John Key appearing on Letterman.

Its like ” looky her’ tha wee cuntry folk have cum to town – lets show dem a good time”.

I don’t see Sakosy or Merkle etc behaving like trained seals.
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September 25, 2009 8:00am
fredinthegrass

To heck with the detail, Chthoniid, love the shot. Wouldn’t it be great to see one in the wild!
One day if I ever learn to “post” a photo I will share a shot of a White Tailed (Sea) Eagle I saw on the northern coast of Norway a few weeks ago. He circled lazily over us for ages, then spotted a distraction and majestically flew on.
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September 25, 2009 8:04am
JDA

How delightful it is to have a new Prime Minister who showed a great generosity of spirit to Helen Clark whilst he is in New York. This is particularly so when he is aware of the great devastation she inflicted on our country whilst in power, and the rudeness she so often trotted out, to him and many others.
How different this is to two examples of her pettiness demonstrated when it was reported she had John Key placed at the back of the Cathedral at Sir Edmund Hilary’s funeral, and did not invite him to the presentation of the Victoria Cross to William Apiata.
I suspect that this is only the tip of the iceberg where she wanted (needed) to hog the limelight, whilst in power.
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September 25, 2009 8:11am
Redbaiter

I have previously regarded Libertarians rather benignly as a bunch of loonies only worth a bit of a joke now and again. This opinion has changed. Today I regard them as a cult of frauds and charlatans operating as all cults do and pushing a sick semi-religion upon those gullible and unsuspecting people who exist in some sectors of our society. Often these people are callow youths, who lack life experience and political understandings, and are easily manipulated by these posturing charlatans.

Like all cults, their leadership is underpinned by authoritarian personalities who spend most of their time debating the “true Libertarian position” and then announcing it to their followers, who as such submissive dupes always do, adopt these pronouncements as gospel and go forth preaching said position to those whose life is so lame they might want to hear such pettifogging doctrinal rubbish.

The truth is the Libertarians are anything but Liberal. They are a tightly controlled group of yes men and woman, brainwashed and unable to think outside the box they have been put in by means of their gormless submission to the writings of the Russian Ayn Rand, (real name Alisa Rosenbaum) who was a faux philosopher and produced books of excessively long winded and boring analysis of what was wrong with the west and termed her ramblings “Objectivism”.

A prominent Libertarian site was recently spammed by an anonymous poster asking the question (IIRC)- “was the money solicited to fight the Daunton Clark court case used to support the Libertarian’s utter failure of a candidate (30 votes) in the recent Mt Eden by election?”

The implication of the question is of course that supporting a court case against Helen Clark is one thing, and running a political candidate is another, and that perhaps the money should have been returned to the donors.

Maybe it was. Nobody knows of course for the Libertarians have refused to answer this question and quickly deleted the posts from the particular website. (as so many posts that are critical of this pathetic and cowardly little cult are deleted)

Immediately after, moderation was introduced to the site on grounds that were extremely weakly substantiated to say the least.

Cults have a history of misusing funds. The so called Libertarians should answer this question quickly and honestly rather than trying to make it appear as if it is not being asked. But then again they aren’t really Libertarians. They’re grandstanding narcissists and navel gazing poseurs. Who knows what goes on behind the closed doors of these kind of weird false flag organisations. Usually though, its not much good.
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September 25, 2009 8:11am
Dave Mann

Hear hear! …..nice shot, Chthoniid 🙂
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September 25, 2009 8:12am
getstaffed

I note that Key popped over to Rudd’s place for a quick shave when his hotel water was cut off.

Helen would never have done this. She would have toughed the day out without a shave.
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September 25, 2009 8:14am
Dave Mann

(the ‘hear hear’ was directed to fredinthegrass…. a couple of other comments hit the site while I was writing mine. Such is the immediacy of this worldwideweb thingy! hahahaha)
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September 25, 2009 8:18am
TripeWryter

Chth:
That’s a wonderful photo. Thank you!
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September 25, 2009 8:31am
Rakaia George

Have TVNZ sent everyone that wasn’t nailed down to Rotorua?

Oh, and has Wendy Petrie’s hairdryer broken?
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September 25, 2009 8:36am
siobhan

RG – slow news week.

Recognition that the UN is a waste of space and doesn’t rate.
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September 25, 2009 8:38am
Michaels

Nice to see Field lose his travel perks, now lets just hope he gets a hanging Judge.
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September 25, 2009 8:39am
nickb

So I guess my question from yesterday might be a no Red?

🙂
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September 25, 2009 8:47am
Angus

Left wing indoctrination of children in US public schools:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo&annotation_id=annotation_915443&feature=iv

Creepy.
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September 25, 2009 9:07am
stephen

Sirrocco, the kakapo, when he was at Auckland Zoo.

Cool. Doesn’t sound like the kakapo is there anymore!? Would love to see one.
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September 25, 2009 9:08am
david

Newsflash, ZB report that Sue Bradford will announce her resignation at 11:00 am

tune in, chill the champers, lets party!!!
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September 25, 2009 9:15am
Brian Smaller

aNGUS – I can’t see YouTube at work but I guess it was a vid of those kids singing their All Hail Barack Obama song. It was creepy. Given the amount of times he says “I” and “Me” in his speeches, it is hardly surprising.
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September 25, 2009 9:17am
hj

“The difference between passing and failing an exam may come down to a letter – not a grade or multiple choice answer, but a single nucleotide.

Taiwanese teens with a particular mutation in a gene called COMT scored significantly lower on a national placement exam, compared with students who had other versions of this gene.”

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17837-gene-for-memory-and-iq-gives-students-low-grades.html?DCMP=NLC-nletter&nsref=dn17837
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September 25, 2009 9:24am
kaya

Rakaia George – I was thinking the same thing last night watching Simon Dallow standing in the dark and the rain in Rotorua. What is the point in a live outside broadcast outside a dead person’s house? Coverage of the funeral certainly, if that’s your thing but the mad rush to be “first on the scene” is gross.

david – are you serious?! Please tell me you are serious!! This will be a happy day for NZ if true.
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September 25, 2009 9:28am
medusa

Hooray …… Sue Bradford resigns 🙂
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September 25, 2009 9:41am
Brian Smaller

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/2898707/No-curvy-mannequins-in-shop-windows

I mean what red-blooded male has not got aroused by a shop mannequin?

And the left and feminists still say nothing worth a damn about these sharia thug regimes – not when there are more important issues in the world like hating their own society.
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September 25, 2009 9:44am
big bruv

GREAT news….Bradford quits.

So the stories about Comrade Bradford tossing her toys at not getting the co leadership were true despite the lies and bullshit we heard from Toad and Frog.

Fuck off Bradford, you will not be missed.
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September 25, 2009 9:48am
Colonel Masters

But last year they extended into winter and included a drive against tight women’s trousers and even men with spiky “Western” hairstyles.

The funny thing is, I see many Muslim men with spiky, gelled-up hair, but very few Westerners.
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September 25, 2009 9:49am
Jack5

What motivated the whistle blower on British MP perks, a revelation that was later followed in NZ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6228694/MPs-expenses-how-fury-over-plight-of-our-soldiers-blew-lid-on-claims.html
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September 25, 2009 9:56am
Pete George

I won’t miss Bradford either, but I thought that those standing for parliament made a commitment to server for three years. I guess it isn’t so important if they only get in through being on a list.
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September 25, 2009 9:59am
david

So maybe Comrade Rusell has persuaded the Party to lance the boil on the ass of the Green Party.

Did she jump or was she pushed?

Has she just tripped a time-in-office-related milestone that enables collection of the next level of pension and benefits?

Who cares!

There will be no mourning the departure of this poisonous, toxic, divisive stirrer.
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September 25, 2009 10:00am
Jack5

Chtoniid (7.51). Thanks for another excellent photograph.

Bring out a book of your pics Chtoniid, or if that’s not feasible, a disc of them. I think you would find a lot of us would be customers.
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September 25, 2009 10:02am
Redbaiter

Only six more of the creeps to go now.
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September 25, 2009 10:07am
nickb

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2901929/Green-MP-Sue-Bradford-resigns-from-Parliament

Bye, you will not be missed.

Remember though, for every loon who quits, another will in all probability step right on through the list.
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September 25, 2009 10:09am
Richard Hurst

Bradford resigns- what a wonderful start to spring!
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September 25, 2009 10:09am
Elijah Lineberry

I am delighted at the proposal to build a fertiliser plant in Southland creating several hundred new jobs.

This is a perfect example of ‘productive’ investment and using resources to further the economic interests of mankind rather than letting them sit in the ground doing nothing.

Well done!
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September 25, 2009 10:14am
david

Elijah, I didn’t see that one coming! Is Sue Bradford set to be its initial source of raw material?
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September 25, 2009 10:17am
philu

and before all you ‘creeps’ start..

bradford is one of the most-liked/respected mp’s in parliament..

..by mp’s of all ideological stripes..

and she should have been elected co-leader..instead of turei..

i am amazed the green party membership ..has with tanczos and bradford..

‘seen off’ their two most capable political operatives..

in such a short space of time..

(they should be the co-leaders of the green party..)

that they aren’t there..is all our loss..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 25, 2009 10:18am
Angus

“Only six more of the creeps to go now”

Who will replace her ? It seems that the farther down the list they go the more bonkers they get ! Any road, I guess Sue qualifies for her lifetime pension now, so she can now buffer off back up north to her Kotare School and continue with the indoctrination and creation of more hoards of left-wing drones [community organizers] to stir up shit if NZ ever gets to host an APEC summit or whatever, again.

Kotare School:
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2006/04/how-kotare-school-was-conceived-and.html

BTW, thanks Sue for dooing soo much to help the chooldrin.
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September 25, 2009 10:19am
Rakaia George

@RB 10.07 – unfortunately it’s one out, one in.
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September 25, 2009 10:20am
Dirty Rat

Key on Letterman.
Theres a drinking game if I ever heard one.

2 Drinks for everytime Key mentions “Lord of the Rings”, or “Clean”, or “Green”, or “Nuclear Free” (3 drinks if the audiance applauds”

1 Scull if Key mentions “The All Blacks”, drink the whole bottle if Lettermen asks “Who are they ?”

any more ?
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September 25, 2009 10:20am
nickb

“that they aren’t there..is all our loss..”

And our loss also phil, because having Sue Bradford at the helm of the Greens would be the Greens best chance to miss the 5% in 2011.

Now she is gone, it makes it slightly less likely. We can only hope.
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September 25, 2009 10:22am
Fletch

Key on Letterman.
Theres a drinking game if I ever heard one.

2 Drinks for everytime Key mentions “Lord of the Rings”, or “Clean”, or “Green”, or “Nuclear Free” (3 drinks if the audiance applauds”

1 Scull if Key mentions “The All Blacks”, drink the whole bottle if Lettermen asks “Who are they ?”

Reminds me of the short-lived and not-too-well-known series, The 80s Show. In one episode they play a drinking game called Dynasty Shots, in which – while watching Dynasty on TV – they have to down a shot if one character bitch-slaps another.
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September 25, 2009 10:26am
Dirty Rat

How many drinks for “I worked at Merrill-Lynch right here in New York” ?

gotta be worth at least one karma point
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September 25, 2009 10:27am
fredinthegrass

Sue B. might be gone/going from Parliament – but where will she pop up next.
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September 25, 2009 10:32am
Fletch

The MSM have been lax in not reporting the speech to the UN made by the Czech President.
As someone who does not believe in AGW he makes some very good, common-sense points including –

Contrary to many self-assured and self-serving proclamations, there is no scientific
consensus about the causes of recent climate changes. An impartial observer must accept the fact that both sides of the dispute – the believers in man’s dominant role in recent climate changes, as well as the supporters of the hypothesis about their mostly natural origin – offer arguments strong enough to be listened to carefully by the nonscientific
community. To prematurely proclaim the victory of one group over another would be a tragic mistake and I am afraid we are making it.

He even offers a more even-handed way of figuring out what to do –

My suggestions are as follows:
1. The UN should organize two parallel IPCCs and publish two competing reports.
To get rid of the onesided monopoly is a sine qua non for an efficient and rational debate.
Providing the same or comparable financial backing to both groups of scientists is a
necessary starting point.

2. The countries should listen to one another, learn from mistakes and successes of
others, but any country should be left alone to prepare its own plan to tackle this
problem and decide what priority to assign to it among its other competing goals.
We should trust in the rationality of man and in the outcome of spontaneous evolution of
human society, not in the virtues of political activism. Therefore, let’s vote for adaptation, not for
the attempts to mastermind the global climate.

Smart man – brave, too. SOMEONE needed to stand up and say it though.
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September 25, 2009 10:32am
Dirty Rat

Big Bruv, a hint

If you are attempting the second leg, which is murderous, slipstream behind a chick going up those hills.

Bum wobbles everywhere, it passes the time
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September 25, 2009 10:34am
stephen

David Clendon is the newbie, being 10 on the list http://www.greens.org.nz/people/candidates/davidclendon
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September 25, 2009 10:41am
Jack5

New topic for a minute if I may …

Once again the victim is demonised. Becoming a practice in NZ court defence? First the Bain family,now this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10599501
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September 25, 2009 10:56am
Jack5

Philu: Why I am surprised from learning in your 10.18 post that you are an ardent Green supporter?

Wouldn’t be anything to do with the Greens’ benevolent stand on marijuana?

If “tanczos” and “bradford” were the best they had to offer, the Greens are a transitory, tiny, minority. Soon to be gone like a puff of …well let’s just say hot air.
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September 25, 2009 11:03am
nickb

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10599539

Interesting..
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September 25, 2009 11:05am
Sam123

http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_show/video/?pid=NDa866QRVydL2Z9G7sNkUOOJou0_da_e
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September 25, 2009 11:27am
Chuck Bird

No to smacking but the Families Commission is happy to promote homosexuals adopting children on the basis of so called research where they cherry pick the “families”.

Families Commission Study Ignores Important Issues

Family First NZ is labelling a Families Commission report on gay and lesbian parenting as unnecessary and
simply advocacy research which is a complete waste of taxpayer money.

The report “We’re a family”: A study of how lesbians and gay men are creating and maintaining family in New
Zealand from the University of Canterbury, involves only 19 families and reveals nothing new that isn’t faced by
any blended family,” says Bob McCoskrie, National Director of Family First NZ.

“There is an abundance of research already on the challenges faced by non-biological parents and the Families
Commission could simply have referred to this.”

“The Families Commission report also fails to tackle the thorny issue of assisted reproduction and whether it is
appropriate for us as a society to be intentionally creating fatherless or motherless children. The granting of
special rights to adults to have children can also mean children losing their rights to be raised by their biological
parents, and with a mum and dad. But we must give primary consideration to the best interests of the child.”

“Earlier this month Family First NZ released a report “21 Reasons Why Marriage Matters” highlighting the
psychological, social, economical and health benefits of marriage. This failed to get even a ‘peep’ out of the
Commission despite its ramifications for policies around family structure, domestic violence and child abuse,”
says Mr McCoskrie.

“While the commission remains mute on important issues affecting families such as 1.5 million NZ’ers opposing
the anti-smacking law, and research on the importance of marriage and family structure, it has suddenly found its
voice and funding on an issue affecting 1% of families.”

“Taxpayers will be wondering whether they should really be footing the bill for the Commission to get stuck into
this kind of advocacy.”
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September 25, 2009 11:29am
gravedodger

Just watched Mr Key on David Letterman, loved no 1 – priceless
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September 25, 2009 12:00pm
Angus

Chuck, somehow I don’t think Peter Dunne intended this quango to advocate on the behalf of homosexual political lobbyists. It’s beyond me how he allowed his “Commission For The Family” become the politically-correct “Families Commission”

Didn’t the Mongrel Mob qualify (at one stage) under the terms of what the Families Commission constituted as a “family” ?
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September 25, 2009 12:04pm
Dirty Rat

Havent seen it gravedodger

More graphic details please
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September 25, 2009 12:04pm
philu

i see the auditor-general is ‘gathering information’ on englishs’ ‘entitlements/claims’..

and will decide in the next two weeks..

wether to launch a full/formal ‘investigation’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 25, 2009 12:05pm
Dirty Rat

So what philu ?

Everyone knows that English is a sniviling little money grubbing, greedy little fucker, little Rasputin failed leader of the National ( Labour Lite) Party.

Its a shame that The National Party has this clown for a leader, second in command.

[DPF: 20 demerits]
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September 25, 2009 12:14pm
philu

“..So what philu ?..”

are you rally so politically naieve that you have to ask this..?

it could be bye-bye bill..!

is that enough ‘what?’ for you..?

to be getting on with..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 25, 2009 12:17pm
philu

i wonder if dpf will do a story on this..?

whaddayareckon the odds are..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 25, 2009 12:18pm
Dirty Rat

I agree philu,

Bill English is Alan B’stard with the Briscoes woman as a wife.

Now dont get me wrong, I really do like John Key, but I would be shitting myself by appointing that little cunt as a best friend.

Appropriately I am playing Neil Young “Cortez the Killer’

[DPF: 30 demerits]
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September 25, 2009 12:22pm
philu

here is the john key letterman top ten..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/john-key-on-david-lettermans-late-showvideo/

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 25, 2009 12:32pm
philu

“..“Cortez the Killer’..”

that’ll get the juices flowing..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 25, 2009 12:49pm
Dirty Rat

ha ha philu.

Someone gave you one bad karma for that remark

bet they couldnt explain either
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September 25, 2009 12:52pm
Dirty Rat

Prime Minister John Key joked on the Late Show with David Letterman that he’ll chauffeur Americans if they take up his offer to visit New Zealand in the next month.

Key appeared on the popular TV chat show tonight, giving the regular and light-hearted top-10 segment a New Zealand flavour.

Among his offerings were that “New Zealand is a convenient 20-hour flight away” and “if you go in the next 30 days I’ll pick you up at the airport personally”.

He also told Letterman’s audience of millions of viewers that “unlike the rest of the world, we like America”.

Key said he and Letterman joked about the distance between the US and New Zealand, with the talk-show host saying that New Zealand was his favourite country that he has never visited.

Letterman has a fear of flying, but said he took a great interest in New Zealand.

Knowing Letterman was a motor-racing fan, Mr Key presented him with a Indy 500 champion Scott Dixon T-shirt.

Tourism NZ had pushed for a spot on the show so that Key, New Zealand’s tourism minister, could push the country’s profile.

John Key’s top ten reasons for visiting New Zealand are:

10. Auckland airport now has cinnabon
9. We have the loosest slot machines in the Pacific rim
8. It’s only a convenient 20 hour flight away
7. It’s like England, without the attitude
6. Leno’s on at 9 o’clock
5. Get the whanau together, stay in a bach, crack open the chilly bin and slap on your jandals
4. Visit in the next 30 days and I’ll pick you up at the airport
3. 70% of our energy is generated through renewable sources – They don’t all have to be jokes
2. We drive on the left side of the road, like the British and Lindsay Lohan
1. Unlike most of the world, we still like Americans

um………..
Theres some Dick that our esteemed leader would like to suck
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September 25, 2009 12:57pm
Dirty Rat

oh fuck off.
two bad karmas and no responce
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September 25, 2009 1:02pm
Dirty Rat

Anyway, hows the trainibg Big Bruv, are you ready to put other fat bespecitabled lazy fucks to task ?

[DPF: 20 demerits]
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September 25, 2009 1:07pm
Dirty Rat

5 negative Karmas for that ?

what are you Homos ? or even worse bible bashers ?
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September 25, 2009 1:40pm
Dirty Rat

careful here Big Bruv, some Fat bastards with glasses wish you evil
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September 25, 2009 2:32pm
Shunda barunda

Get this, I go out side minding my own business and what do I find? All my vehicles (and everything else) is covered in red dirt!! Australian red dirt!
They had better send somebody over to clean up their mess.
Dirty bloody Australians!!
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September 25, 2009 2:40pm
philu

don’t say i never do anything for you..

http://whoar.co.nz/2009/orgasms-for-men-belly-breathing-and-tantric-sexorgasm-and-ejaculation-are-two-separate-physiological-experiences-they-dont-necessarily-go-together-it-just-seems-that-wayvideo/

“..There’s a joy in mastering something that might have felt unattainable in the past.

I remember many years ago when my husband and I picked up the book ESO – Extended Sexual Orgasm, by Donna and Alan Brauer, a husband and wife team, then at Stanford University.

We were amazed at how relatively easy, and fun, the practices were .. and how quickly we saw results – results that have lasted all these years.

Though the book is long gone from my library I have no doubt that the techniques are a modern version of ancient Taoist, Tantric, Arabian and Japanese methods for expanding orgasmic pleasure.

The Tantrics and Taoists, in particular, have developed, over thousands of years, simple, relatively easy and obviously fun techniques to help men train themselves to last longer..

.. choose when they might ejaculate (or not) ..

.. and experience multiple orgasms without ejaculating.

Orgasm and ejaculation are two separate physiological experiences.

They don’t necessarily go together, it just seems that way.

The interesting part about achieving ejaculation mastery is that it is the basic practices of self-control and breathing that is fundamental to success..”

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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September 25, 2009 3:12pm
bearhunter

Wow, so Phool you’re not just full of shit then. You are full of a range of bodily excretions. A man of many parts, clearly.
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September 25, 2009 3:25pm
lofty

12:22 no demerits??????? wot the?
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September 25, 2009 3:32pm
Shunda barunda

Dirty rat said a very dirty, very bad word about Blinglish.
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September 25, 2009 4:33pm

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