The Greens
September 24th, 2009 at 2:13 pm by David FarrarA reader e-mails:
We learned a couple of things about the Greens, yesterday… They don’t support human rights and they don’t care about climate change.
First, they wouldn’t support the Education (Freedom of Association) Amendment Bill – even just as far as select committee.
And secondly, when Parliament ran out of members’ bills to debate, and started debating the various reports on the order paper that they almost never get to, the Greens wouldn’t even take one call to discuss the Select Committee Review of the Emissions Trading Scheme. Every Green MP could have taken a 10-minute speech to lay out the Greens’ vision for combating climate change, they could have controlled Parliament’s agenda and presented a unified and united view on what they think we must do. But I guess they don’t have one. Like everyone else, they preferred to take the evening off. Human rights and climate change just aren’t that important…
Ouch. What does Frog say in defence?
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September 24th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
David, you naughty boy you.
It is obvious that with new dust emissions problem they were taking the time to formulate a NEW strategy to make us pay (oops I mean combine the dust problem with their ETS proposals)
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
They will be frantically having talks to arrive at a consensus on arriving at a consensus and some of them just might be arriving back on the planet from wackybacktoria.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
The Greens are the utter dregs of NZ’s political landscape; Marxists, anarcho-feminists, ’60′s beatniks and power hungry, red-nappy commies who want to gobble up the wealth created by the productive sector of the economy to fund so-called “social justice” initiatives.
..probably better that they had nothing to say.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Keith Locke with nothing to say ——— bullshit don’t believe it.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
It could be simply a matter of “living to fight for another day”. The reality is regardless of what they would say, the bill will be passed 63-59.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
wow..!
anne tolley has fucked up big time..!
she was at an oecd conference..and was asked if new zealand would like to host the next meeting in 2011…
she said ..’no thank you!’..
whoar..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
[DPF: 10 demerits off topic. Use General Debate]
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
phlu you seem to think that’s a bad thing. WTF would NZ want to host an OECD conference for? I’m trying to think of an upside but all I can think about is how much it would cost to host.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
ok ..rightnow..
in a phrase..’promoting foreign students to come study here…at large cost to them..’
’nuff..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
The Greens, what a joke. Thheir slogan should be:
“The Green Party: Supporting human rights when it suits and is trendy”
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
as far as I can tell Tolley is useless unless someone is telling her what to do. Ask her question, put her on the spot. She just shrinks and can’t commit to anything, or talk about anything.
I can’t say I have a whole lot of respect for anything she has done in her portfolio either.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
…the Greens wouldn’t even take one call to discuss the Select Committee Review of the Emissions Trading Scheme. Every Green MP could have taken a 10-minute speech to lay out the Greens’ vision for combating climate change, they could have controlled Parliament’s agenda and presented a unified and united view on what they think we must do
Just out of curiosity who the hell would want the Greens to do this instead of instead of spending time on their own party’s thing?! Who made the “call”?
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
A quick look at http://www.greens.org.nz/climatechange and http://blog.greens.org.nz/tag/climate-change/ and http://blog.greens.org.nz/tag/emissions-trading-scheme/ shows that the Greens care about climate change a fair bit.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
the greens are the only party that actually does anything that interests me. national and labor only just playing mula games. there agenda’s don’t interest me at all. I managed to get more than 10 other people to vote greens this year, was good. Long live the greens!!
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
We were going to deny leave to adjourn, with a view to debating ETS. But, because of the timing of the debate, it was, in the event, going to clash directly with the Minister’ briefing on the new ETS Bill. We judged it more important to focus on the new Bill rather than debate the Committee’s report, especially given we would be debating both the Committee and the Bill today.
Clear as mud? Basically, getting a briefing on the new Bill was more important than stating the obvious in the House – that the ETS Review Committee was just National’s way of wasting time until they could figure out what to do. As it is, they have failed their election promise. They were going to have a ‘fixed’ ETS done and dusted by September. They haven’t even introduced their changes!
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
So more than 11 of you live in your cave then menace?
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Hey menace, fantastic work, keep it up. The more people you can convince to vote green instead of Labour the better.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Ha ha ha….you just have to love the way that Frog insists on trying to spin this.
Just admit it Frog, the Greens fucked up!.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Aside from Jeneatte Fitzsimmons there are no greens in the green party, they are going to look even sadder when she stands down and might need Hooton to do a bit of re-branding.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Farrar-Greens Derangement Syndrome (FGDS) strikes again!
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Frogs explanation seemed straight-foward and reasonable. Entirely inappropriate for Kiwiblog! What was Frog thinking?
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I’m sorry village-idiot, for raising the tone. Keith just told me that he was going to take a call, but he was in the Great Hall with DPF launching the book on a NZ Republic, and wonders why DPF is picking on him when they were together!
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Nothing like putting the blame on the Greens, wasnt it National who only last week said there wasnt enough time and abused urgency again?
Just wondering
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Frog
What other calls has Keith taken of late?
Have the Sri Lankan terrorists given their old mate Keith a call?
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
“..[DPF: 10 demerits off topic. Use General Debate]..”
s’cuse me..!..that was a genuine mistake..as i reposted in general thread..
and i also posted an oops! on this thread..that has since vanished..
wtf..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Bruv – what are you doing wasting your time here (you are wasting your time here)
Vote:Pull on your lycra and get out on the road. Sue’s got you in here sights, and if you’re not quick enough on that bike, she’ll be up your Kyber, and the whisper is, you’re well out of shape!
September 24th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
(locke) wonders why DPF is picking on him when they were together!
because he’s a fucking mp, apparently, for the green party. DPF is a private citizen. So launching a book is more important than taking a call to lay out the Greens climate change plans? You lot don’t deserve to be there. Freeloading lightweights.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Farrar’s helpful ‘reader’ opens his/her email with:
We learned a couple of things about the Greens, yesterday… They don’t support human rights and they don’t care about climate change.
and Farrar though the rest of the email was worth publishing?
Clutching
at
straws
Or is this what you regard as ‘fomenting happy mischief’ Farrar?
Dull.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
“and i also posted an oops! on this thread..that has since vanished..
wtf..!”
And you STILL keep trying to convince us that the wackybaccy is harmless —-you dickhead!!
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
menace = Welcome to kiwiblog, sheesh I pity you already….. Please dont tell me you agree with the list of prime points that the Greens support…..
I would have to question what is between your ears…
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Frog (3.30 pm) the Nats clearly have a position on the ETS. It is to delay this economy-destroying insanity for as long as possible before being forced by the socialists and commies in the UN to pay lip service to the greatest swindle in the history of mankind. I mean, what a lot of absolute tosh. Assuming one accepts the untried and unproven faith-assertion that man is destroying the environment with all that terrible carbon, how the hell is a new tax going to stop that? Utter rubbish. Typical leftist tripe and another way to stick the government’s hand into the peoples’ pockets and control their lives.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
what would ‘prove it’ for you..?..alister..?
how much evidence/proof do you need..?
100% of scientists..?
water sloshing into yr shoes..?
(just all a commie-conspiracy..eh..?
any ‘reds’ under your bed..?
have you checked lately..?
best do it every night..b4 going to bed..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
What? Like …
Opposing the reclassification of ‘P’ to a class A drug? Or being the only party not to support increasing the maximum term for possession of child pornography from 2 to 5 years?
Nope, I regards your Greens as a desperate collection of ideological leftovers, lightly dusted with warm, fuzzy environmentalism to make their appearance attractive to unthinking voters.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Why don’t you just go write a submission, eh Phil?
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
“water sloshing into yr shoes..?”
Im gonna wait for mine to become a beachfront property , but alas phool tells me I’ll lose my house insurance
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
getstaffed – roll on the floor response to menace!
Menace says:
the greens are the only party that actually does anything that interests me
You say, “What? and pre-empt a response with a couple of examples that stick in your craw! Way to take on new information getstaffed! You’re a guy who just can’t help but learn!
When did you close off that side of your personality?
btw – is Whafe your ideological twin?
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
has Philu ever been outside in the sun .. what is woar.co.nz? (the missing h is a small joke)
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
I actually think most Kiwis pity the Melons, they are a bit like that relation or acquaintance that isn’t quite all there. They can be funny at times but usually are embarrassing most of the time.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Yeah fair cop. There are 100′s of other examples, but I just can’t be bothered collating them tonight.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
” ideological leftovers, lightly dusted with warm, fuzzy environmentalism”
WTF will they do to fool the plebes when Jeanette retires to her Coromandel paradise.
The “warm, fuzzy, enviromentalist will be no more. All that will be left is the sad, ginger, commie, Aussie tosser who does his best to assume the shoes of Saint Rodney, and the silly, shallow, chubby, woman with the huge bone hanging round her neck. —— God I suspect their vote may go up by 3 or 4% cause there is sure a lot of dumbos out there in proleland.
Maybe we should hope that Sue & Sue stage a coup for the leadership. Their slogan could be—”Don’t smack your kids smack your lips over these good healthy eats”.
That should be good enough to get them less than 5% of the vote.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Fill-Ewe, here’s an analogy: the kind of “evidence/proof” I need of ACC/AGW is the same kind of evidence/proof you provide that wacky-baccy whucks your head up.
Let’s see …
- the world is getting warmer: LIE
- the seas are rising: LIE
- carbon dioxide is causing temperatures to rise: LIE
- man is causing the temperature to rise: LIE
And even if all those things were true:
- imposing a new tax (either in the form of a carbon tax or an ETS) will have exactly zero impact on the problem
- there’s snot-all man can do (apart from the watermelons’ wet dreams of destroying every technological advance of the last 200 years and controlling population growth) to prevent it
- there’s absolutely nothing New Zealand can do about it, given New Zealand’s contribution to the “problem” is 0.0000002%
So, Fill-Ewe, keep on tokin’ the baccy and go watch The Day After Tomorrow one more time (oops sorry, that’s about another Ice Age ain’t it, not a period of warm, temperate climes). And don’t forget, next election get all of your friend to vote Green. Split the left as much as you can.
Vote:September 24th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
whafe
for the welcome, ta, not sure its a nice welcoming place yet though, lol
of course nobody agrees with everything that one person or group says.
a brain like you, and as with yours it has its own thoughts and will not be told by others what to think.
you did well not to tell me I’m a piece of sh*t for it like the rest in here.
getstuffed
obviously the two things you said don’t sound two flash, many of there general ideas do like me though.
And actually on the specific issue at hand, it would seem to me that if there is a bill to pay you have to get the cash and pay it, like for eg i got an unexpected speeding ticket, the best thing to do would be to wip down to the bank and get an over draft write? wrong id be best to grab a couple of hours over time and pay it with out interrupting my budget too much. thats just my way though. Debts dont go away unless you pay them, even if you don’t feel it just.
so abusive in here!
do most people think for them selves?
Vote:or as they say do 90 percent just think what everybody else thinks? sheep
September 25th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Menace, you may well have points to make. You may well have something important and relevant to say. It’s just that it’s very difficult to decipher your comments because you appear to be allergic to punctuation and capitals. Did you donate your full stops and commas to Fill-Ewe?
Not trying to be abusive, but I think your comments would be much better-received were they more readable. And while I agree there are some ranters and ravers on Farrar’s Troll Farm, and occasionally we all hit the Submit button before engaging the brain, you’ll find (mostly) if you post intelligently and politely, you’ll get intelligent and polite conversation in return.
Vote:September 25th, 2009 at 9:29 am
“..you’ll find (mostly) if you post intelligently and politely, you’ll get intelligent and polite conversation in return…”
hilarious..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 25th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Alistair.
LOL, yeah, I know my literalisy is shabby to say the least!
Left school as soon as i was old enough and never touched up on that side of things.
None the less there is good room for my improvement and in an attempt of greater receptive i should make more effort.
Vote:September 25th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Not you obviously, Fill-Ewe, because you’re a troll. Most people have ceased engaging in discourse with you at all (in fact I suspect I’m wasting my energy writing this), because your diatribes are unintelligible and consist of little more than link-whoring to your own blog, trying to get your click-counter to rise above 0. Of course if you do have something important or worthwhile to say, stop clouding your postings with an overdose of full stops and make it readable.
Actually, that’s probably a little unfair. You may not be a complete troll. Perhaps you’re just ideologically misguided – blame it on the whacky-baccy. It doesn’t appear you’re a complete idiot, so here’s a piece of free advice. Straighten up and fly right. Stop smoking the weed (there’s a reason it’s called “dope” you know), get a job and contribute something to society.
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