The Labour Conference

September 13th, 2009 at 2:53 pm by David Farrar

I have to give lots of kudos to Red Alert for their coverage of the Conference. Overall I think it has been a positive event for them. Here’s how I see the good and the bad.

Good

  1. Goff’s Speech. Very well crafted, and got the tone right. If Goff makes more speeches like this, he will start to go up in the polls.
  2. Mike Rann’s speech. The fact the SA Premier went to uni with Goff makes his endorsement more meaningful. Incidentally please note no-one in National complaining about Rann speaking at a Labour conference – quite unlike Clark’s conduct over Downer speaking to a Nats conference.
  3. Anderton’s presence. It was a symbolic healing of past wounds.
  4. Having Federated Farmers address the conference. Very smart and bold.

Not Good

  1. Goff on the motorcycle. Yes I know he used to have one 20 years ago, but it looks just a bit try hard.
  2. The condoms story. For all their words about focused on the issues that matter to most people, this story will leave people wondering if anything is changing.
  3. ’s mooting of a (get this) Commissioner for Social Inclusion. No I am not making this up. The only comment on is a trackback ping from the Dim-Post where Danyl can’t believe his luck at being given such material. No else has managed to find the strength to comment on the idea, because there is probably no way to do so politely. Danyl comments that “Dalziel is like a convicted killer who shows up to her parole board hearing with a hockey mask and chainsaw”.

Overall a good performance from Goff, but he needs to get a tighter rein on some of his colleagues. He should have stopped Dyson from sounding so eager about the free condoms idea, and there should be a general ban on any Labour MP promoting anything that sounds even more useless than the Families Commission.

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51 Responses to “The Labour Conference”

  1. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,703 comments) says:

    David, you are far far too charitable.

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  2. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    “Commissioner for Social Inclusion” ahahahahaha.
    “A new form of engagement” with citizens.

    And Lianne, can you explain to me please how your party engaged with citizens when it rammed the EFA and anti smacking bills through Parliament?
    Labour really are sickening, sycophantic liars.

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  3. Grizz (244 comments) says:

    Commissioner for Social Inclusion…… What ever happened to common sense.

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  4. Manolo (14,169 comments) says:

    The conference appears to be a meeting of dupes, dunces and half-wits.

    Despite of his denial earlier in the week, it will not be long before Goff, now living on borrowed time, says “Et tu Andrew (Little)”?

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  5. backster (2,196 comments) says:

    GRIZZ…..Don’t give them ideas. They would have suggested a Commissioner for Common Sense but couldn’t think of anyone credibly qualified.

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  6. kaya (1,360 comments) says:

    Commissioner for Social Inclusion sounds like a Monty Python sketch. In a rational world, that and the free condoms should be enough to have them “grounded” from politics for 6 months.

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  7. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    The stupid ideas we see from our political parties, eh Wayne ‘Political Correctness Eradication’ Mapp!

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  8. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    ” Anderton’s presence. It was a symbolic healing of past wounds.”

    Or further evidence (if we needed any) that his party is a sham, and he is really just a Labour MP? (Ditto with Dunne and National).

    What is in the drinking water in Wigram that makes them vote in this hypocritical, champagne socialist every 3 years…

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  9. dimmocrazy (286 comments) says:

    I am so peeved of having been booted of Red Alert for a week. Al this stuff is just too good to have a go at them, absolutely indefensible idiocy each and every one of these ideas.

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  10. Cerium (23,798 comments) says:

    “Commissioner for Social Inclusion” sounds terrible, but looking at what it is supposed to be about it sounds like a reasonable idea if it could actually work they way the blog suggests. It is more aimed at independent policy evaluation, evidence-based research (talked about by Peter Gluckman this morning on Q&A) and communicating with the public. But they need to find a better name!

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  11. nickb (3,696 comments) says:

    Interesting that Goff refers to the EFA as a “sideshow”.

    Yes, committing a partisan act of constitutional treason in order to shut out your opponents, and defeat democracy, is certainly a sideshow.

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  12. Johnboy (17,051 comments) says:

    “Goff’s Speech. Very well crafted, and got the tone right. If Goff makes more speeches like this, he will start to go up in the polls.”

    Where the fuck else can he go??

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  13. kiwirights (48 comments) says:

    David, you are being very nice to Labour – praising them for the big things and then picking only at tiny little things (which are hard to believe anyway). Trevor Mallard will be so grateful :)

    [DPF: I call it as I see it.]

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  14. Manolo (14,169 comments) says:

    “David, you are far far too charitable.”
    This is the understatement of the milennium.

    DPF speaks like a Wellington insider, hence his polite/delicate comments on disgraceful Labour’s past and present behaviour.

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  15. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,703 comments) says:

    After some reflection, I am left speechless. Just as was the Labour conference. The “BIG” speech which could have paved the way for recovery was not reported. Was it made? No. Just more of more of the same old same old idiocy.

    This conference will be remembered for their new policy of free fucking at dairies.

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  16. burt (7,425 comments) says:

    cerium

    Take a few deep breaths, imagine that National had come up the the “Commissioner for Social Inclusion” – How is it looking now ?

    Warm fuzzy platitudes often sound good, the nodding masses in a conference will give positive feedback on a lot of things – the cold hard light of day will usually deliver a different response.

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  17. burt (7,425 comments) says:

    nickb

    Well said re: Interesting that Goff refers to the EFA as a “sideshow” @ 4:51.

    How could Goff look himself in the mirror on that one – such a sideshow that even Labour voted to repeal it.

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  18. burt (7,425 comments) says:

    I haven’t heard anything about Trotter ? Did he do his usual hark back to the good old days of sticking it to the man and fighting the good fight ?

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  19. Cerium (23,798 comments) says:

    “imagine that National had come up the the “Commissioner for Social Inclusion” ”

    I’d have laughed at the name, looked at the detail and found that at least in theory it is providing what ‘the people” are asking for. Have you looked at the detail?

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  20. burt (7,425 comments) says:

    Cerium

    I have had a scan of what is up on Red Alert so I guess I’m pretty poorly informed.

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  21. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    If melancholy is leadership Goff has plenty of it.

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  22. burt (7,425 comments) says:

    self edit – waste of space comment.

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  23. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Cerium “It is more aimed at independent policy evaluation, evidence-based research (talked about by Peter Gluckman this morning on Q&A) and communicating with the public. But they need to find a better name!”

    You dont think that this ‘commission’ would be used to push the left’s political agenda from within the administrative machine of government?

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  24. side show bob (3,410 comments) says:

    Sounds like it would have been kinder to lock the conference building doors with all these fruitcakes inside and call a fleet of ambulances carrying big guys with white coats. I now know why Liarbore shut the nut houses down and introduced “main streaming” policies, how else could they fill a large conference center.

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  25. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    “..# Manolo (691) Vote: Add rating 11 Subtract rating 2 Says:
    September 13th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    The conference appears to be a meeting of dupes, dunces and half-wits.

    Despite of his denial earlier in the week, it will not be long before Goff, now living on borrowed time, says “Et tu Andrew (Little)”?..”

    manolo..duh..!

    andrew little is not yet an m.p..

    what was that about ‘dunces and half-wits’..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  26. Cerium (23,798 comments) says:

    “You dont think that this ‘commission’ would be used to push the left’s political agenda from within the administrative machine of government?”

    Quite possibly. I quite like the principal of what this is suggesting, but to be worthwhile it would need to be party independent ie for the voters for the country.

    Something promising I think Key has done is appointing Gluckman as a science adviser – part time only so he can stay working in his field at the same time. Fulltime policy advisers can become to embubbled and out of touch with the real world (if they ever have worked in the real world in the first place).

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  27. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    so..goff has apologised for promoting energy-efficient lightbulbs..?

    are they those same lightbulbs national is running ads..urging us all to use..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  28. gravedodger (1,575 comments) says:

    In passing, when the glorious socialists regain power will I be able to trade my free condom “entitlement” for supermarket bags to carry my groceries home.

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  29. dime (10,213 comments) says:

    did they announce any new plans to tax Dime out of existence?

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  30. RAS (63 comments) says:

    gravedodger – if they make the condoms big and stretchy enough, they could be dual purpose.

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  31. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    He he, I’d love to see control freak Helen choke on her weetbix when she reads Goff apologising for some of her fuck-ups. I don’t recall her admitting any mistakes.

    Regarding goff, even if he had the best policies in the world he will still never be PM. No charisma you see. Just my opinion though.

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  32. Redbaiter (11,880 comments) says:

    A bunch of derelict communists who haven’t come up with a good idea in fifty years and won’t ever come up with one. Past their use by date one dimensional indoctrinated losers. Just one big yawn.

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  33. georgedarroch (303 comments) says:

    The condoms thing was three lines in a 62 page document. This is what happens in NZ. No discussion of the issues, just stupid sensationalism.

    They’re like 8 year old boys. Ooooooooooh!!!!! A condom!

    Labour should have ran the entire document past a team of PR people so that anything that might be politically embarrassing could be sanitised and scrubbed. Because the New Zealand media, and most of the politicians are puerile and will score cheap points rather than engaging with the substance of any issue.

    The same with the Commission for Social Inclusion. HA HA! Your idea has a silly name! HA HA!

    I’m glad I’m in Australia at the moment, which has at least a couple of decent newspapers (although these too are descending into having every second story about tits and ass), and thorough investigative television.

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  34. Gerrit (95 comments) says:

    Phil Goff cant do anything without running it past Clark first.

    A party source has told 3 News Mr Goff had dinner with Helen Clark a couple of weeks ago, where he gave her a heads up he was going to make amends for her mistakes. It is understood she was okay with that,

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Goff-admits-Labours-mistakes-slams-former-colleagues/tabid/419/articleID/120861/cat/67/Default.aspx

    Is that anyway to build credence for a revitalised Labour party?

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  35. burt (7,425 comments) says:

    So did we get any secret recordings this time ?

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  36. Redbaiter (11,880 comments) says:

    “I’m glad I’m in Australia at the moment, which has at least a couple of decent newspapers (although these too are descending into having every second story about tits and ass), and thorough investigative television.”

    Don’t you commies ever get tired of the “objective commentator” charade? As if you would have any damn clue about what was “decent” in television or newspapers. If it isn’t some left wing full bore attack on the right, you and Andrew Little reckon its no good.

    You need to wisen up. The act has worn far too thin. Its common knowledge now that the media are just the propaganda agents of Progressivism, traitors to real journalism, and the only time they incur the displeasure of the left is when they occasionally (in error) veer towards objectivity.

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  37. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Actually I quite like the idea. Everyone’s always moaning about the breakdown of society. But who’s got a solution? A Commissioner for Social Inclusion could really make a difference.

    They could investigate the real underlying issues of social non-inclusion. Then formulate solutions and consult, but also listen, and build consensus around those solutions. Real community-level consensus. Leveraging that with a mix of independent analysis and real-world costings. Ultimately implementing them for everyone in New Zealand; not just the socially included elite. On-going monitoring would give real-time feedback, so the Commissioner(s) could evaluate what works and what doesn’t, and fine-tune the inclusiveness for all of New Zealand.

    The potential Social Inclusion Dividend (Inclusividend) is almost incalculable.

    NZ needs this type of blue-sky thinking. I didn’t think I’d ever say this, but I commend Lianne Dalziel.

    I’m quite excited now.

    cheers

    Malcolm

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  38. Redbaiter (11,880 comments) says:

    Very good Malcolm. Quite humorous for a lefty.

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  39. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    RedBaiter – I’m not joking. This is exciting stuff.

    Anyway, how do you define a lefty? Anyone not to the right of you?

    cheers

    Malcolm

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  40. Redbaiter (11,880 comments) says:

    Here’s me thinking it was excellent satire.

    You really are one of them aren’t you.

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  41. francis (617 comments) says:

    Not a day goes by in government – or opposition – in which someone doesn’t come up with an “exciting” idea that has no grounding in political reality. These would be wonderful little courses/seminars at some university or other, but they don’t warrant inclusion in any government’s agenda. For lots of reasons, most of which will be obvious to most rational thinkers about the political landscape. That such ideas come up as part of the national conference of Labour is a sign that there are far too many people – mostly list politicians – bringing pressure on policy who have no idea about politics. It’s a great meme, that “sometimes the government must lead” thing — but it should be reserved for those very rare times when the government is willing to fall for a moral principal. I doubt that either rubbers in every dairy and “social inclusion” are things the Labour government would be willing to fall over – and in a time of rebuilding, they shouldn’t have been allowed to appear at all. Because neither is something that will produce a Labour government – and either is something that could kill one.

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  42. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    And Mike Rann, Mike Rann so far away.

    Couldn’t get away.

    Thank you, thank you, A Flock of Hurf Durfs will be here all week.

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  43. Rich Prick (1,750 comments) says:

    The Phool should have ridden in on a badly scrapped Nifty Fifty, more the better it sums up Labour, and would have pleased the tutt-tutting Greens. Labour is actually irrelevant, outside of student politics and the unions and South Auckland (yay Phillip Field) Labour is just a stain on the sofa of NZ politics. We had a fumble with Helen late at night after a few drinks, but never really got off with her. The thought of the same with Phil just turns everone off.

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  44. reid (16,700 comments) says:

    They could investigate the real underlying issues of social non-inclusion. Then formulate solutions and consult, but also listen, and build consensus around those solutions. Real community-level consensus. Leveraging that with a mix of independent analysis and real-world costings. Ultimately implementing them for everyone in New Zealand; not just the socially included elite.

    This reminds me of the accountant’s ad in the 80’s pretending it was an exciting profession. Do ya really think it’ll make a blind bit of difference? I mean, what reallly actually motivates people?

    Household net income and a steady job ring any bells?

    Does Liarbore really actually truly think that today’s “average New Zealander” is “alienated” from today’s workforce?

    Keep thinking that, by all means, BTW.

    I suggest you suggest that Liarbore suggests we need to incorporate the plight of the fa’afafanuifa’a (made-up word but meaning the Samoan gay guys who play the role of girls), in the Employment Contracts Act.

    That way, we all win. You look like dicks, like you always have been. We conservatives look askance at this minor side-show as we busily implement the VRWC, and the fa’afafanuifa’a or whatever they’re really called, get to have a really warm feeling in their tummys.

    It’s perfect.

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  45. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,760 comments) says:

    Labour are so far out of touch it’s laughable.

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  46. philu (12,989 comments) says:

    i went to red alert..

    on the post on goffs’ speech/apologies….

    i asked a one-line question..

    “did goff apologise for the oecd child poverty stats..?’

    the comment went straight to ‘awaiting moderation’..

    (was it something i said..?..)

    and the question never made it past the chief censor..trevor mallard..

    (what’s it called..?..’command and control’..isn’t it..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  47. georgedarroch (303 comments) says:

    phil, did you l….itt…e….r it eh?

    with “inventive formatting”… (visual dribble)

    that puts you into moderation on that blog nowadays, thankfully.

    george(linkwhore.co.nz)

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  48. burt (7,425 comments) says:

    philu

    Once Goff/Mallard have got a reply from Helen on how to answer your query then it should be released from moderation.

    Best of luck.

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  49. stephen (3,981 comments) says:

    RedBaiter – I’m not joking. This is exciting stuff.

    I really thought you were taking the piss too!

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  50. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Stephen, I feel bad now.

    I was taking the piss. Sorry.

    I think the Social Inclusion Commissioner is possibly a poor idea. Personally I’d favour a Social Cohesion Commissioner, because after all, we’re all in this together.

    Also SCC looks better than SIC – people would just make fun of that.

    cheers

    Malcolm

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