Thought of the Day

September 25th, 2009 at 7:22 am by David Farrar

I might be wrong, but I suspect hated that her first meeting with was having introduce her as his predecessor, after Obama goes out of his way to say hi to Key.

We sometimes forget what a great reputation our country has overseas as a place to live:

Mr Obama had a friend living in New Zealand who had raved about the country praising its golf courses, skiing and lifestyle for families.

If Obama does visit at some stage, he’ll be a lot more popular than he is back home. released a poll yesterday on NZers views of world leaders. The net positive ratings were:

  1. Barack Obama +82% (88% favourable, 6% unfavourable)
  2. +45%
  3. +15%
  4. +2%
  5. -1%
  6. -16%
  7. -19%
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22 Responses to “Thought of the Day”

  1. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    NZers shielded from the truth by a lying and politically partisan mainstream media, wallow in insulated ignorance and rate Barack Obama far above his abysmal ratings in the US, where he is one of the most unpopular Presidents ever.

    More evidence of how the NZ mainstream media is nothing but a corrupt propaganda device for the Progressives, and the so called journalists who work within it are faithful to their political masters but traitors to their trade.

    “We sometimes forget what a great reputation our country has overseas as a place to live:”

    Funny that reputation exists at all when NZ has one of the highest crime rates in the world, compares very poorly in economic figures, and at least 500,000 NZers choose to live elsewhere in the world.

    The shame is, it could all be so different.

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  2. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    “I might be wrong, but I suspect Helen Clark hated that her first meeting with Barack Obama was having John Key introduce her as his predecessor,”

    no I think you’re reading too much into it. Look at the happiness on her face at the lunch

    http://static.stuff.co.nz/1253779409/152/2900152.jpg

    (is that steam coming from the wine?)

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  3. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    “We sometimes forget what a great reputation our country has overseas as a place to live:”

    I don’t forget that it can be a great place to live. There are negatives (most no worse than a lot of places) but there are a lot of positives too – if you care to look for them.

    (and I notice already that some just can’t help being negative karmatically)

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  4. Neil (525 comments) says:

    New Zealanders have no idea with what is going on overseas, in particular with leaders of the left.
    Barack Obama is already being noted in the reputable magazine The Economist as a weak president. He has surrounded himself with left wingers who simply do not connect with the US population. The US population are much more conservative than our population.
    The msm in NZ still have a childlike attitude towards Obama, essentially highlighting that he is from a minority culture.
    Likewise while George Bush had faults, the msm could see no good in him. Too many articles are transposed from the Washington Post,New York Times(or else known as the Obama Times) Los Angeles Times and that fountain of loony left wing nonsense the Guardian in England. NBC arte aso a well known pro-Obama outlet who would never care to criticise their hero Brack Hussain Obama

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  5. menace (407 comments) says:

    I personally think Helen is a little bit bigger that that, she’s a fairly intelligent person so far as I’ve gathered. And mostly an actual politician. don’t think she would of been jealous. should the roles have been switched then I’m sure the small business man would of felt a bit left out.

    Obama’s buddy hit the nail on the head, this country is a great place to be in, i spent time in over 25 other nations, and worked in a few even, this is the place to be that’s for sure, so much time to do our own things here. In saying that there’s always room for improvement as we discuss in so many other discussions.

    of course Obama is the current puppet though, the US president will always be just another front show of a terrorist nation.

    Redbatter

    “More evidence of how the NZ mainstream media is nothing but a corrupt propaganda device for the Progressives, and the so called journalists who work within it are faithful to their political masters but traitors to their trade.”

    the media is a propaganda tool, but for those with the power, and i don’t think that power changes hands.
    what exactly are these “Progressives”?? the word would point to progression? I’d say change is the only thing constant in which case progressive change must be better than regressive change.

    “Funny that reputation exists at all when NZ has one of the highest crime rates in the world, compares very poorly in economic figures, and at least 500,000 NZers choose to live elsewhere in the world.”

    10 percent or a bit more is pretty normal migration id say, i know of countries with much higher rates than that and anyway, id say this just demonstrates that kiwi’s are open minded outgoing and exhilarated by alternative cultural experience.
    crime rate could certainly improve but many nations would be similar, doubt its as bad as you suggest.
    economy of NZ will always struggle, we are a little isolated that’s all, being an America or Japan is only a dream for us

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  6. Thrash Cardiom (298 comments) says:

    I’m fairly stunned that Putin is rated so highly.

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  7. tvb (3,937 comments) says:

    This country is overrated. It is corrupt (only the surface is being scratched), its economic performance is poor, and opportunities are quite limited now, compared with our past.

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  8. Pete George (21,789 comments) says:

    RB: wallow in insulated ignorance and rate Barack Obama far above his abysmal ratings in the US, where he is one of the most unpopular Presidents ever.

    During September Obama’s approval rating held steady at 52%, the same level of support Reagan had at a comparative time in his term. GW Bush dropped as lop as 28%.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123182/Obama-Approval-Holding-Steady-Low-50s.aspx

    Obama was handed some major messes left by GW, so far he has been a mixed bag but it is too soon to judge his overall success/failure, he is really only just starting to try and address major policies.

    I wouldn’t say you wallow in insulated ignorance RB, you seem to deliberately push distortions and lies hoping that the ignoramuses won’t call you on it. Once again you could be describing yourself with “corrupt propaganda device”.

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  9. Alistair Miller (557 comments) says:

    This proves how insulated kiwis are (generally speaking) from world events. Here’s my take (FWIW):

    BHO is now one of the least popular presidents in US history, and is all-but guaranteeing the return of a Republican white house next time around. With the exception of the raving fan-clubs noted in earlier comments, he is now seen as pretty-much an empty suit and real questions are being asked about his ability to do anything other than read a teleprompter.

    KRudd in Australia has squandered a decade of fiscal prudence (and a $21 billion surplus) and guaranteed the next 3 generations of Australians will be worse off than they might have been had he not chosen to borrow his way around a technical recession. If Bill Clinton says you’re one of the smartest guys in the room, it’s a sure sign you’re either sitting in a school for “special” kids or you’re being touched up for something.

    Angela Merkel appears to be reasonably competent and Sarkozy is far too French (and therefore protectionist) to be any friend to New Zealand, and that’s about all we need to know about Europe, isn’t it?

    Gordon Brown was a terrible Chancellor and is an even worse Prime Minister. To quote a very, very wise man “…a one-eyed Scottish git…”

    Silvio Berlusconi, god bless him, retains the prime ministership because it’s an easy way to get a leg-over.

    And Putin, for all the flaws in his ideologies and beliefs, is about the only really strong leader in the group.

    I recently finished reading Lee Iacocca’s book “Where Have All The Leaders Gone”, and looking at this list, it’s a valid question.

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  10. Philonz (89 comments) says:

    Putin and Berlusconi both out-rate Merkel, wow! I guess she’s seem as a bit of a nobody to most NZers but there’s obviously a few kiwis that have a soft spot for a philandering, corrupt, media mogul. Perhaps Goff should start hosting pool parties for models and buying media outlets.

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  11. Alistair Miller (557 comments) says:

    Goofy at a pool party for models. lol. Does NZ even have models any more? Unless of course you count Steve Crow’s harem.

    And he doesn’t need to buy media outlets; they’ve been given to the left for free.

    As I said, Merkel seems reasonably competent, but really you don’t hear a hell of a lot about Germany in NZ, do you? Berlusconi is a lothario which makes for great headlines, and Putin is a cage-rattler, which makes for scary headlines. Merkel appears to be quietly going about buying Germany’s assets back from the Americans (e.g. Opel), but I think she’s a bit too much of a slave to the Greens.

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  12. David in Chch (503 comments) says:

    Re Kevin Rudd:
    I enjoyed the news items earlier in the week about his “robust language” in private meetings, particularly with caucus members, along the lines of “OK, you f*ers, what the f* do you think you are doing? … Do you f*ing understand?” (That’s how it was reported.)

    So now, when I want to use an expletive, especially in a more public forum, I say “Kevin Rudd”, as when someone is doing something stupid: “What the Kevin Rudd do you think you are doing?” And it actually feels pretty good doing it too!

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  13. Fairfacts Media (370 comments) says:

    I like to count myself has consistently among the 6% that oppose the Obambi.
    I like to give him some stick every day.
    There is so much material from the blogs and a little of the MSM.
    Britain’s Daily Telegraph has certainly woekn up to Obamabi’s failings.
    Even the Guardian declared him impotent.
    I guess the Kiwi media is still relying on the Guardian and the Independed for their Amercian copy.
    And as for dick on TV1 that used to do entertainment….

    Interesting to see the negative rating fopr Gordon Brown.
    Since so many of us will have connections to the Mother Country, I guess we make better efforts to keep in touch with British happenings.
    There again, Gordon Brown is truly awful.
    He’s so bad, even Barack Obama doesn’t want to see him.

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  14. Chris Doms (73 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, could you please provide me with a reference to support your assertion that Obama is “one of the most unpopular Presidents ever.” For the life of me, I can’t find any supporting evidence for this. Thanks.

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  15. Jeff83 (765 comments) says:

    Watch Foxnews, they will tell you that.

    The fact he is trying to fix Americas totally broken and corrupt medical system, where they spend the most per capita in the world yet have some of the worst health statistics, shows people are making a mint, and those people dnot want the status quo to change.

    Anyway not getting distracted by the anti socialists rants of this little group, the funny thing is the Gordon Brown one. I heard a stat that 50% of people in the UK believe ANYONE in Labour would be better than GB, that is ANYONE. THat is pretty classic stat.

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  16. coge (160 comments) says:

    Pity McCain wasn’t President, that would’ve really capped off Helen’s day

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  17. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    Redbaiter wrote:

    NZers shielded from the truth by a lying and politically partisan mainstream media, wallow in insulated ignorance and rate Barack Obama far above his abysmal ratings in the US, where he is one of the most unpopular Presidents ever.

    More evidence of how the NZ mainstream media is nothing but a corrupt propaganda device for the Progressives, and the so called journalists who work within it are faithful to their political masters but traitors to their trade.

    You’re suggesting that because NZ opinion polls on Obama don’t align with US ones, this is evidence we have a lying and politically partisan media?

    NZers will have a different opinion of Obama. He has a different impact on us. We’re affected more by his foreign and trade actions than by his domestic ones. Much of his unpopularity at present comes from his domestic policies (healthcare, underwriting failing car manufacturers, banks etc).

    I assume you’re in NZ. How do you manage to see beyond the lying and politically partisan mainstream media, yet know that the rest of us cannot do the same?

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  18. bchapman (649 comments) says:

    My opinion of NZers has just increased dramatically. Judging by the poll results, it seems they do have a good handle on what is happening overseas.

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  19. backster (2,000 comments) says:

    I think it is a shonky poll from a shonky polling company. Isn’t this the one that found out that about 80 % of us didn’t want tax relief, and all sorts of other findings for outfits like the “Sustainable Bussiness Crowd”, Families Commission, and the like.

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  20. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    # Barack Obama +82% (88% favourable, 6% unfavourable)
    # Gordon Brown -1%
    # Silvio Berlusconi -16%

    There’s something very wrong about this poll. Though it’s nice to be a part of the sensible 6%.

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  21. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Also: 15% of NZers haven’t heard of Vladimir Putin. Fuck me sideways, how can that even be?

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  22. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “For the life of me, I can’t find any supporting evidence for this.”

    Of course not. That’s because you’re a sadly misinformed know nothing mainstream media sponge-

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2345634/posts

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