A speeding Key

October 5th, 2009 at 5:35 am by David Farrar

The Dom Post reports:

Prime Minister was driven at more than twice the legal speed limit across battered Samoan roads so he could have a shower before seeing tsunami damage.

Journalists travelling with the motorcade report fearing for their lives as they careered at more than 100kmh to deliver the prime minister from the airport to the high commission.

The legal speed limit is 40kmh.

John Key’s office has said New Zealand police who were part of the motorcade claim the maximum speed it reached was 64kmh during his visit. The motorcade later slowed after Mr Key’s staff expressed concern at the speed.

“Staff were uncomfortable with the speed, which NZ police inform us reached a maximum of no more than 40 miles per hour,” spokesman Kevin Taylor said. “Samoan authorities were notified of the concern at the end of the first movement, and the speed of the motorcade was reduced in subsequent movements.”

But journalists driving with the motorcade agree it reached speeds of more than 100kmh, with one reporting 120kmh – three times the limit.

What got Clark into trouble wasn’t the speeding per se, but her insistence that she had not even noticed they were driving at 170+ km/hr as she was so engrossed talking to Jim Sutton, and then leaving the police officers out to dry.

I’m pleased to see the staff noticed the speed, and asked for it to slow down. That will or should mean that it does not become as big an issue.

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80 Responses to “A speeding Key”

  1. kisekiman (224 comments) says:

    “Journalists travelling with the speeding motorcade report fearing for their lives as they careered at more than 100kmh”. Wankers. Michael Ware can tell them what it is like to fear for one’s life as a journalist. Go to Iraq and try some real reporting.

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  2. Nomestradamus (2,948 comments) says:

    DPF:

    Your recollection isn’t quite correct. What Helen Clark actually claimed was this: she was busy working in the back seat and had no influence or role in the decision to speed and didn’t realise the speed of her vehicle. By inference, she was too busy to talk to Jim Sutton, who travelled with her. As for Jim Sutton, well, he told the court that he “never felt anyone was put in danger”.

    What puzzles me in this case, though, is why it was necessary for John Jey’s motorcade to speed at all:

    Mr Key cut short a trip to the United States to visit Samoa and arrived there at midday on Friday (Saturday, NZ time), but he had to be back for a 7.30pm return flight to Auckland. From Apia it can take 90 minutes over steep mountain roads to reach the tsunami scene on the southern coast.

    It’s hard to tell from the sensationalist tone of the article, but presumably the 90-minute one-way trip (or the three-hour return trip) is based on the legal speed limit. I also assume special arrangements are made so John Key doesn’t have to sit around in the airport lounge for up to two hours before the departure time like everyone else does. On the face of it, that gave him up to 4.5 hours to play with.

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  3. scanner (340 comments) says:

    It wont be hard to work out the journalist/s responsible for trying to beat this into a froth.
    I’m surprised they could find time to chase someone as insignificant as JK when they had the disaster tourist to follow round.
    The news media and the facts often sit at opposite ends of the room, remember the motto “Never let the truth get in the way of a good story”

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  4. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Twice the legal speed limit so that he could have a shower?

    TWICE THE LEGAL SPEED LIMIT SO THAT HE COULD HAVE A SHOWER!!!!

    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!

    Key is making Helen Clark look angelic!

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  5. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    It’s possible that all sorts of claims of danger and culpability will be made, like comparing speeding on open Canterbury highways to the continuous villages of Samoa with many pedestrians. Of course this time staff will have realised they need to try to demonstrate some responsibility – they would be aware how easily it could be blown out of all proportion. But is it any more than the police jumping at any excuse to speed and show off their importance?

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  6. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Apparently, Key didn’t notice how fast they were going as he was busy in the back seat of the car, signing a painting.

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  7. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    Hmm who to believe – the NZ Police at 64km/hr OR journalists saying 100km/hr. Who has the bigger vested interest I wonder?

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  8. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Maybe they haven’t turned the speed limit signs round the other way yet. :)

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  9. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    key was on breakfast telly..

    claiming they ‘didn’t go over about 40k’..

    so..someone is telling mincey-pies…

    eh..?

    (does anyone think the journalists just made this up..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    [DPF: Key said this is what he was told. He also said they all thought it was too fast, and asked the Samoan Police to slow down]

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  10. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Hi phil wondered where you were. Are you doing the afternoon shift in the Ronald McDonald suit today?

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  11. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    you are quite the ‘strange little man’..aren’t you..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  12. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Flossie thinks I’m normal.

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  13. Ross Miller (1,664 comments) says:

    Hmmmmmmm … get real folks.

    The pilot car was a Samoan Police Car. It set the pace. It’s their country.

    Anyone who has ever been in an official motorcade o’seas will have experienced same many times with the local plods (supposedly) clearing the route and it’s bats out of hell time.

    The difff here was that someone in the official party complained and they slowed down.

    Remind me just when ‘Helen’ told them to slow down.

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  14. andrei (2,506 comments) says:

    What a beat up – a total non story.

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  15. Rakaia George (313 comments) says:

    Hmm who to believe – the NZ Police at 64km/hr OR journalists saying 100km/hr. Who has the bigger vested interest I wonder?

    There probably isn’t a miss-match at all siobhan. The head of a long motorcade travelling on reasonably twisty roads at a steady 60kph-ish will cause cars towards the back to have to slow down far more as the line concertinas into corners and then speed to catch up again on the way out.

    Journos driving like idiots down the back isn’t the responsibility of the Samoan cops up the front…

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  16. NOt1tocommentoften (436 comments) says:

    DPF – you’ve been selective of your report here. There is a massive discrepency between the speed the reporters noted and what JK said. He hasn’t addressed that at all. So yeah, good on him for acknowledging the speed but shame it played it down so much.

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  17. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Were any Samoan pedestrians hurt?

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  18. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Key’s Rapid Response to the Samoan Disaster makes the news.

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  19. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    Good point George.

    Do you think the media will ever stop treating the public like muppets all in the name of a “story”?

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  20. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    Do you think “the public” will ever stop reacting and making big issues out of trivia? The media don’t act in isolation.

    This story may have been worth a mention, but let’s move on to things that matter.

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  21. jackp (668 comments) says:

    The EPMU is playing politics and sensasialising Here we have a natural disaster where thousands of families and lives have been ruined and John Key wants to get to the site to help. This is a far cry to a rugby match. The streets were cleared before Key’s limo went through the villages. This type of reporting typifies how newspapers are reporting now a days. How to sell papers. Package the yellow journalism up and make money off a tragedy. And people like Philu without any purpose in life eat it up.

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  22. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    Maybe I mix in the wrong crowds, as my friends and family feel the same way and are switching off to the repeated nonsense and non stories.

    In fact the media can become quite damaging to real issues – for example after 2 days of non stop coverage of the tsunami most of us started skipping pages in the paper. Who the hell cares if Pamela Stephenson knew someone in samoa? From there I stop reading? How does that help the plight of people in Samoa?

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  23. Rich Prick (1,557 comments) says:

    I am inclined to believe the Police over the media. Having driven there as recently as three weeks ago, the pot-holes, speed humps installed in anticipation of the change-over and the terrain make it impossible to do 100km/hr. Its not the Canterbury plains.

    Even so, I’m not sure what the “story” here is.

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  24. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    You guys crack me up!

    Helen Clark speeding through Canterbury is a NATIONAL DISGRACE!

    John Key speeding through Samoa, that’s an INTERNATIONAL DISGRACE !!!

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  25. gravedodger (1,516 comments) says:

    I think, in light of the amount of detritus issuing forth from Village Idiot the blogesphere can rightly campaign for his elevation to city or even provincial idiot and as there will be some confusion with others who may gain that higher status we can differentiate them with a prefix letter. a city idiot, b provincial idiot and so on. The thought of one so erudite languishing in a mere village is so , well, idiotic.

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  26. davidp (3,540 comments) says:

    There has been a tendency recently for the NZ media to take their story ideas from what has worked overseas. I don’t think there is much doubt that the sorry beat up of Bill English’s housing expenses was because the NZ media saw just how the UK expenses “scandal” increased the circulation of the Telegraph.

    The US media used Katrina to whip up a frenzy of hate against George Bush. Remember all the stories of snipers shooting at helicopters and of starving people at the sports stadium, all of which were basically invented. Remember the Democrat official weeping about his dead mother… he talked to her every day for several days while she waited for rescue, before she finally died unrescued… which was all imagined. While not perfect, the US Government response to Katrina was basically competent and timely, but that story doesn’t sell newspapers or television advertising.

    So in an ideal world, the people that would be sent to a disaster area would be specialists with expertise in managing disasters. They’d get on with the job, deliver assistance competently, and wouldn’t need to be accompanied by the media. But Katrina means that politicians are now expected to appear to be personally in charge of disaster response… the narrative is that if a politician doesn’t turn up to a disaster area, tour, talk to a few locals, and supply the media with plenty of video for the evening news, then that politician doesn’t care and will be shitted on by the media. And if the politician does act out the role that the media expects them to act, then the media will instead focus on the trivia of their disaster area tour… so now the story isn’t NZ’s response to a tsunami, but that John Key should have respected arbitrary speed limit signs rather than the wishes of his Samoan government escort.

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  27. Inventory2 (10,108 comments) says:

    village idiot (greenfly) said “You guys crack me up!

    Helen Clark speeding through Canterbury is a NATIONAL DISGRACE!

    John Key speeding through Samoa, that’s an INTERNATIONAL DISGRACE !!!”

    Not trying to deflect attention and scrutiny from the Greens’ rorting of accomodation allowances are you VI?

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  28. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Inventory2 – the thread’s called, ” A speeding Key”

    If I talk about the Greens, I’ll get 10 demerits.

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  29. david (2,539 comments) says:

    FFS guys it was Sunday. Everyone knows that cleanliness is next to godliness and we also know that showers are VERY important to Mr Key. (K Rudd’s place in New York and now Samoa). Nothing else to know really!

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  30. RightNow (6,676 comments) says:

    What role do the journalists have in post-disaster situations? Will they be helping with clean-up and reconstruction? Or is there job simply to invent some news? What a special breed of parasites.

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  31. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    The question is:

    Will the ‘Left’ pour thousands of litres of bile and invective over this the way the ‘Right’ did for Helen Clark.

    Whadda ya reckon, eh? Righties?

    [DPF: As he or his staff asked the motorcade to slow down, and his driver is not facing prosecution and he has not claimed he didn't notice a speed of 170 km/hr I imagine not.]

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  32. francis (712 comments) says:

    Key said on Breakfast that the speed was around 40 MILES an hour, not kms.

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  33. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    And the journalists said something very different. An investigation into who’s telling the truth is justified, given the unlawfulness involved.
    No one is suggesting that Key is evil the way Helen Clark clearly was ( speeding ! Through Canterbury! Evil witch! ) but the question of Key’s honesty hangs in the air. Is he telling the truth? The reports are very much in conflict.

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  34. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    “What role do the journalists have in post-disaster situations? ”

    While some of the coverage and the talking head tourists are sub par the media often do a lot of good – publicising problems can help with prompting action and donations. And people in disaster zones can get comfort from knowing that the world notices and sympathises.

    If media interest hadn’t shifted to Samoa we would probably still be moaning round in circles over how badly Civil Defence didn’t inform us of a problem that didn’t happen.

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  35. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    The usual National sycophants on this blog. When Helen did it, she was endangering the lives of others and should have been arrested. When John Key does it, it’s a media beat-up!

    The correct answer: They were both media beat-ups! The police should prosecute the driver of the car. If the driver is being forced by his boss to do something illegal, then he needs to take that up with the boss.

    That’s what I really hate about this blog, the predictable “I love whatever National does” view that gets through moderation. It’s okay for Bill to put his home into trust and pretend he lives in Dipton for many years, but it’s not okay for Helen to sign a painting for charity.

    The news is that many politicians are crooks, and being so blind to whatever wrong National does for this country is only encouraging corruption. Believe in your own ideas, not just stupid religious faith to one party.

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  36. KiwiGreg (3,178 comments) says:

    “It’s okay for Bill to put his home into trust and pretend he lives in Dipton for many years, but it’s not okay for Helen to sign a painting for charity.”

    One was legal, the other was a fraud and almost certainly criminal.

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  37. kaya (1,360 comments) says:

    Some big discrepancies in the stories, I would imagine the truth sits somewhere in the middle.

    Key has the same problem as English though, perception. Especially as the majority will skim read the headline and not bother to think about it or research a bit further. Governance by media, doesn’t it suck!

    RightNow –

    “What role do the journalists have in post-disaster situations? Will they be helping with clean-up and reconstruction? Or is there job simply to invent some news? What a special breed of parasites.”

    I watched one of the docos last night about the Indonesian earthquake. The journalist went as far as the road allowed to a village decimated, shot some footage of debris and then the reporter said:

    “That’s all the time we have here so we have to leave now”, without lifting a finger to help. Off to get the story and pics of the next body or demolished building no doubt. lI don’t understand how people can see something like that and carry on filming as though it were some sort of separate entity, not attached to the real world.

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  38. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    Isn’t it obvious to you greenfly. Samoa now drive on the other side of the road, and no one has turned the signs around yet

    sorry but the greens taxpayer rip-off has more legs

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  39. Kimble (4,383 comments) says:

    Ross Miller nailed it very early on:

    “Hmmmmmmm … get real folks.

    The pilot car was a Samoan Police Car. It set the pace. It’s their country.

    Anyone who has ever been in an official motorcade o’seas will have experienced same many times with the local plods (supposedly) clearing the route and it’s bats out of hell time.

    The difff here was that someone in the official party complained and they slowed down.

    Remind me just when ‘Helen’ told them to slow down.”

    Ross Miller wins the thread.

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  40. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Winston – the ‘Speeding Key’ story is legless? It just gets worse.
    Stories that don’t match, intimations (from you) that alcohol was involved…

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  41. Elijah Lineberry (306 comments) says:

    Were Mr Key a ‘proper’ Tory he would have simply done a ‘flyover’ like President Bush ;)

    http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com

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  42. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    greenfly – I cant see anyone offering to resign their party membership over this one !

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  43. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    There was not one Nat willing to back Bill English over the other one either Winston!

    Not one!

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  44. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    why would they? – as I previously said whilst it ‘may’ be legal, it’s still very smelly. Not many support what he’s done greenfly- but back to the point which is Key in a speeding car in Samoa wont detract from the Greens latest taxpayer rip-off in New Zealand

    (and English’s housing allowance is yesterdays news)

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  45. starboard (2,475 comments) says:

    really..I mean..who gives a phuk…talk about tryin to make a story outa nothin..you leftys are pushin poo up hill with a bent fork on this one…

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  46. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    davidp said..

    “..The US media used Katrina to whip up a frenzy of hate against George Bush..”

    brilliant..!..eh..?..

    (there’s a katrina-angle i had never contemplated..)

    and.

    “..the US Government response to Katrina was basically competent and timely..”

    double-brilliant..!.

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  47. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and then we have ‘starr’..

    “..(and English’s housing allowance is yesterdays news)..”

    good luck with that one..!..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  48. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    I gotta ask you, Patrick, for the record; Do you think we’ll hear no more of the Bill English story?

    (lookin for a straight answer here – which will it be, Patrick or Winston?)

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  49. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    that would depend on the volume of the Lab/Melon spin departments press releases to their tame EPMU hacks I guess

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  50. david (2,539 comments) says:

    philu sometime just after 8am said

    “key was on breakfast telly..

    claiming they ‘didn’t go over about 40k’..

    so..someone is telling mincey-pies…

    eh..?”

    phil, your credibility (if you ever had any) went the way of Matira “its just a mistake” Turei and most of teh MSM with that item. If you can’t get basic FACTS straight phil and stop your selective hearing putting what’s left of your tiny mind into overdrive at the mere hint of a slight, you don’t deserve to eb read. It was quite clearly 40mph that was said to be the speed limit.

    Withdraw and apologise phil?

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  51. senzafine (454 comments) says:

    “That’s all the time we have here so we have to leave now”, without lifting a finger to help. Off to get the story and pics of the next body or demolished building no doubt. lI don’t understand how people can see something like that and carry on filming as though it were some sort of separate entity, not attached to the real world.

    Kaya, I saw that too, and was completely aghast. The 60 minutes team (or whatever) were the FIRST to get through to that village, and yet “we have to go, have run out of time?” Fucking parasites.

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  52. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    I would have thought that the speeding story won’t gain legs – as you eloquently put it Idiot – Ho hum.

    Re Bill English – the greens may have just taken the proverbial wind out of that story. So if it disappears from MSM you know who you can blame.

    Idiot – is there any chance you can go a polish your knob elsewhere??

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  53. RightNow (6,676 comments) says:

    I’m still laughing that the loonies are trying to equate this with Helen Clark’s speeding incident. The reported fact that Key’s staff asked for the pilot driver to slow down after the first leg shows up the loony position perfectly. Clearly Key has actually done nothing wrong, and in fact his staff have asked for the speed to be reduced (probably due to the stench of urine coming from the journalists’ pants).

    I can’t wait for Goff to try and score off this one come question time in the house;
    Goff “can the Prime Minister explain why his motorcade was reportedly travelling at three times the speed limit while travelling through villages in Samoa?”
    Key “Firstly the reports were from journalists who incorrectly judged the speed we were travelling, which isn’t surprising as there were no members of the Labour party to feed them information, moreover the journalists appear to have graduated to wearing long pants only recently and by the smell of wees eminating from them should probably have been wearing pull-ups instead. Secondly the pace was set by the Samoan police officer driving the pilot car and we were in Samoan territory, so perhaps Mr Goff would be better served asking the Samoan police this question. Thirdly, unlike previous Prime Ministers who have been driven at excessive speed, my staff asked for the pace to be slowed at the first possible opportunity.”

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  54. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    soibhan – of course the ‘Speedster’ story won’t become anything greater than it is, but National just lost any advantage they had over Labour with ‘Leaders who Speed in Motorcade’ stories and that is funny. Bill English used that against Helen Clark over and over and so, I imagine, did each of the other Natty would-be ministers. Key being busted for speeding is great for morale. There are questions over the degree to which he was speeding – was it twice the legal limit, or was it three times over? Either way sounds dangerous, especially on those rough roads, in areas where there has been a disaster and people are distracted by greater things than looking left and right. It’s a miracle no one was killed!

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  55. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    (lookin for a straight answer here – which will it be, Patrick or Winston?)

    WINSTON !!! WELCOME BACK!!

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  56. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    Your right onto there VI. I just bloody hope that JK never picked up a paint brush at any of those Samoan villages or he is totally WHUCKED.

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  57. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    One would have thought that there was a distinct difference between one PM noticing the samoan controlled motorcade he was in was travelling too fast, and then requesting that they slow down, and another PM ordering her NZ controlled motorcade to travel at speeds of up to 170 km/h, so that she could attend a rugby match, and then claiming that she didn’t notice how fast they were travelling as she was busy doing paperwork (and I challenge anyone to do paperwork in a car travelling at those speeds!) and then hanging her police escort and driver out to dry when the matter came before the courts.

    Of course the difference is far too subtle for some who post here, and yes, Village Idiot, I’m talking about you here. Still , don’t let the facts get in the way of spinning this to your supposed advantage.

    BTW Phil, Key said that he thought the motorcade was travelling at about 40 mp/h, not kp/H.

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  58. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Johnboy – like Clark (and he is like Clark, in so many ways!), Key needn’t touch a paintbrush, he only has to sign the work.

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  59. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    It’ll come.

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  60. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    slightlyrighty – and then hanging her police escort and driver out to dry when the matter came before the courts.

    So…Key’s not going to blame the Samoan Police then? Good. He should accept responsibility.

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  61. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    “(and he is like Clark, in so many ways!)”

    You need specs buddy. He is much better looking!! (Ask Charles).

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  62. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    Idiot – why do you insist on spinning this as though John Key was speeding?

    Was he driving? No
    Did his staff ask the POLICE pilot vehichle to slow down? Yes

    Where is the story again?
    In your own wet dream I imagine.

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  63. slightlyrighty (2,496 comments) says:

    Village Idiot, responsibility for what? What Planet are you on? A motorcade which was under control of local authorities was travelling at a speed Key thought was too fast, and he asked them to slow down. In what way could Key even remotely be responsible for what happened?

    Where is the issue? What is your beef with the facts and Key’s response to the situation? This is a beat-up, pure and simple. Key is not blaming anyone but certain quarters are blaming Key. For what?

    Your response at 2:29 just proves that your only response to being given facts is to try and spin them solely to your advantage. It’s stupid, childish, adds nothing and only serves to distract people from the issue at hand, and that is the devastation that the people of Samoa have suffered.

    This is a non issue. Do you really think the people of Samoa give a fat rats arse about how fast John Key may or may not have been travelling? I think they are more concerned about finding loved ones and rebuilding their shattered country. Key was there to see how we can help. Lets focus on that shall we!

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  64. RRM (9,471 comments) says:

    Yo lefties – I’m happy for you and Imma let you finish, but Helen Clark had NZ’s best speeding motorcade OF ALL TIME! :-)

    The cheerleading squad’s haste to point out how different than The Evil Helen’s speeding motorcade this was, is noted for future reference.

    It is interesting that the right’s (sycophants/mouthpieces/cheerleaders/whatevers) are content to build a platform on little more than “we’re less hypocritical than them” but then, that is apparently what the voters wanted. I guess “We’re less hypocritical than they are” is the only selling point for a Tory govt that anyone could expect average Joe to appreciate during a recession…?

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  65. lofty (1,303 comments) says:

    What a bloody big YAWNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!

    As for you VI like I have stated in the past you never have much of whuck all to say, and while I don’t know what your problem is, I’ll bet it’s hard to pronounce.

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  66. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    The next thread is far more fun, Village idiot is just about down to the mantle there – and still digging!

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  67. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    siobhan asks – why do you insist on spinning this as though John Key was speeding?

    Was he driving? No

    siobhan – was Helen Clark driving?

    You’re funny! (and easy).

    slightlyrighty – you brought up the issue of apportioning blame, saying that Clark was guilty of that. I’ve said that I’m delighted to hear that Key won’t be doing the same. He’s not claiming it was the fault of the Samoan Police, is he? You’ll be dissapointed if he is!

    Lofty – you’re taking this very seriously! It’s only a minor issue and lots of fun, especially for the Left. Key, speeding, of all things!!! Do you think he’ll deny responsibility? Slightlyrighty doesn’t – Key will step up to the plate, not dump on his Samoan hosts. Don’t you think? Hope he gets the speed thing sorted though – three times the speed limit doesn’t sound at all good!

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  68. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    HEY – Look over there, John Key may have been in a speeding car in Samoa!

    I’ve managed to find 2 of the MSM running the story, it reads something like this;

    “The feeling from our guys who with me, my protection people, was they were going a bit too fast,” he says.”My people went over to the Samoan police and said `look we want you to slow down’.”Key says the motorcade was quite long which made speed more of an issue.”I’ve checked with them how quickly we were going, apparently the maximum was 40 miles an hour (the legal speed limit – nearly 65kmh). Those roads aren’t built for fast motorcades. It was driven by Samoan police, they were the ones in leading the motorcade.”

    Greenfly – desperate stuff, The Greens are crooks and have been outed!

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  69. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    David Farrar titled this thread, “A speeding Key” and Winston berates me for talking about … a speeding Key!

    Poetry!

    Winston: Slightlyrighty will be pissed at you for openly publicising Key’s blaming of the Samoan Police. We’d hoped that wouldn’t happen! This is a set back. :-(

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  70. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    ……….and still no one has told greenfly ‘whats been going down’ yet!

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  71. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Worked it out for myself Winston – and the answer? Not much.

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  72. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    Village Idiot – I think you will find that I have stuck to the facts of what John Key has been accused of.

    Feel welcome to go back through this thread or any other to see if I have ever made comment on Helen Clarks speeding. You will find I haven’t.

    So stick to the issue numbnut – the Samoan Police were leading the motorcade. John Keys staff asked them to slow down. So where is the story? Any comparisons to Clarks situation have never been bought up by me. So answer MY question if you can without making a further ass of yourself.

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  73. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    Actually Idiot – don’t bother you are not worth the time. Oxygen thief.

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  74. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    soibhan – there is no story! That’ll be why David Farrar posted this thread, calling it, ” A speeding Key”!
    Clearly, Key was not involved and neither was speed! You’re right!

    ( My only concern is the discrepencies over the top speed – twice the speed limit, three times the speed limit, or, as many here would claim, a snails pace).

    Hope this helps.

    Numbnut

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  75. RightNow (6,676 comments) says:

    Helen Clark’s speeding incident broke NZ law, which is why the driver went to court. What’s the similarity with this incident again?

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  76. Johnboy (14,998 comments) says:

    For Gods sake G/VI you can’t get much more milk out of this tit surely. It would never have happened if someone had taken the Key off the Samoan police. :)

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  77. Pete George (22,863 comments) says:

    What’s the similarity with this incident again?

    The culpability of the non-driving PM is overblown.

    The Clark bad, Key good angle is bollocks. There’s a good chance if Clark was in a similar situation again her staff would have done similar to Key’s.

    PM’s don’t just try and run the country now, they have to be eternally vigilant in case some half cocked cock and bull story cocks things up for them.

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  78. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Johnboy – you’re right! I’m dropping it. (Yours is the best joke so far. I don’t get RightNow’s at all !)

    Pete’s right.

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  79. Grizz (244 comments) says:

    I though Helen Clark told the motorcade to speed so she could catch a flight.

    Key on the other hand was a guest to Samoa and was being driven by Samoan officials. It was not his motorcade. The questions of speed need to be directed towards the Samoan government.

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  80. Swampy (273 comments) says:

    village idiot? LOL. you must have been called “sonic” before.

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