Those who say, as long as you don’t commit a crime you have nothing to fear are idiots who don’t deserve their freedom. Use your brain what is a crime? It is what the government decides is a crime, that is what you have to fear.

The govt already have your genome on file from the heel prick taken at birth. If they, or an insurance company, wanted to know your risk of getting, say, breast cancer, they might be able glean some statistical hints about this from your heel prick DNA, but they wouldn’t be able to do this from the DNA fingerprint data.

More important is the collection and use of the data and that’s a never ending issue and has been since the first computer came to NZ.
Once we have an established DNA code then that should be our number for life for everything. In taking away our freedom it actually gives us our freedom. Something for you to argue over tonight.

The Constabulary should not be able to take DNA samples under any circumstances; doing so is pure good old fashioned Communism.

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A little off topic, but on the Search and Surveillance Bill, I also sat up when I heard that surveillance video warrants in Britain had been used to secretly film people putting recyclable waste into their rubbish bins. Once the powers are available, they are often used in ways not foreseen by those who think such limits on rights are reasonable.

As for sampling at birth being a joke, for at least 35 years DNA has been taken at birth by heelprick stored permanently on guthrie cards. Only a simple change of legislation, or perhaps even regulation, would be needed to require to enable Police to access it. They have long advocated for this power.

And if nobody knows, then nothing is wrong.

Why not? After all, if you have littered and therefore committed an infringement offence, then why should you get away with your offending when you can be lawfully identified and given an infringement notice? Such a scenario is not that far removed from the UK local authorities using CCTV to fine you for parking infringements and so forth. If it is accepted there in the name of crime control then what is wrong with it?

No matter how you dress up yesterday’s rubbish by trying to distinguish between combatants and civilian casualties your posts were absurd exaggerations.

A degree in European history? Tosh!

Chris C at 11.20 continues his habit of plucking statistics from the stratosphere and making wild guesses (as earlier this week he was talking about tens of millions of non-white soldiers dying for Britain).

Where does he get this:”… it’s something like 1 in 100,000 crimes are solved using the DNA database, so there’s a strong economic argument for not maintaining it in such a blanket manner…”

Sorry, missed out a vital word: serious. That’s 5% of serious crimes against the person from 0.35% of present crime scenes that contained useful DNA that resulted in a match. And none of those convictions resulted from a DNA match taken from a person who hadn’t previously been convicted of a crime that would have had them on the database anyway.

If you read the link I posted, you’ll find the information – there’s no clear source on the amount cost per match (between ~£400 and £13,000) or the cost per sample taken (between £300 and £3,000).

I know your comprehension is at a very low level, so I’ll take extra trouble to spell things out for you. You’re still unable to distinguish between combatants and casualties, something I did learn in the four years of my honours degree in European History. I’ll take it as a compliment that it bothered you so much to still be talking about it two days later.

Where does he get this:”… it’s something like 1 in 100,000 crimes are solved using the DNA database, so there’s a strong economic argument for not maintaining it in such a blanket manner…”

Can’t he see the wise and learned F.E. Smith was posting tongue in cheek?

Of course there would be some risk in an all-encompassing DNA database taken at birth. It would be very handy for ethnic cleansing by a demented dictator. On the other hand it would be helpful for planning needs of health services decades ahead, giving a guide to the predisposition towards certain diseases.

I don’t think the economic aspect will be much of an issue as analysis and storage costs continue to dive in this electronic age. But keeping such tabs on every citizen is a bit close to keeping a stud book for my liking. I reckon we should leave that to Ngai Tahu, who need one to identify their increasingly pale members from mainstream pakeha.

As others have mentioned, this may indeed reflect on insurance, etc while going through a voluntary stage.
I’m sure the big push, though, will come by reason of immigration control, and, more specifically, the control of both domestic and international terrorism.

Watch and weep as we see the continual erosion of our freedoms.

… more end time prophecy fulfillment as we move ever more closely to a One World Government system – Heil Helun!

“Come and get mine now.
You’re welcome to it.”

You sweet talking devil!

Just thinking about crime prevention here.