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	<title>Comments on: Espiner on ACC</title>
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		<title>By: gulfairs</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-621037</link>
		<dc:creator>gulfairs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACC is OK but we must have an opt out clause.

Pay no ACC levy and go on ones own through one own choice of insurance company with the rights to sue, primarily to make the motorists and tourists responsible for their own actions as is with the REST of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACC is OK but we must have an opt out clause.</p>
<p>Pay no ACC levy and go on ones own through one own choice of insurance company with the rights to sue, primarily to make the motorists and tourists responsible for their own actions as is with the REST of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Heine</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620350</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;old&quot; National helped put ACC right before, thanks to ACT support and Jenny (our first Woman PM) setting the agenda. Will John Keys National Party have the balls to do the same and bring us to 1st world status? Frankly, this issue itself could be the difference between National and Labour because at the moment it is difficult to tell the difference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;old&#8221; National helped put ACC right before, thanks to ACT support and Jenny (our first Woman PM) setting the agenda. Will John Keys National Party have the balls to do the same and bring us to 1st world status? Frankly, this issue itself could be the difference between National and Labour because at the moment it is difficult to tell the difference!</p>
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		<title>By: cauld</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620331</link>
		<dc:creator>cauld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“I think there should be some initial support, but when did it happen that ACC funds you until you are 18, if your parent dies in an accident. If your parent drops dead from a heart attack you get nothing, but if it is an “accident” you get ACC. The original scheme was about looking after people temporarily until they could work again – not social welfare.”

This was a really silly comment.

I&#039;d encouage you to have a look at Pararaph 11 of the summary of the Woodhouse Report
http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/data/woodhouse/woodhouse1c.pdf

It absolutey contemplates compensation approaching common law damages for serious injury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think there should be some initial support, but when did it happen that ACC funds you until you are 18, if your parent dies in an accident. If your parent drops dead from a heart attack you get nothing, but if it is an “accident” you get ACC. The original scheme was about looking after people temporarily until they could work again – not social welfare.”</p>
<p>This was a really silly comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d encouage you to have a look at Pararaph 11 of the summary of the Woodhouse Report<br />
<a href="http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/data/woodhouse/woodhouse1c.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.library.auckland.ac.nz/data/woodhouse/woodhouse1c.pdf</a></p>
<p>It absolutey contemplates compensation approaching common law damages for serious injury.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620319</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;think there should be some initial support, but when did it happen that  ACC funds you until you are 18, if your parent dies in an accident. If your parent drops dead from a heart attack you get nothing, but if it is an “accident” you get ACC. The original scheme was about looking after people temporarily until they could work again – not social welfare &lt;/i&gt;

Well lets see now, maybe it&#039;s because the imposition of ACC removes peoples ability to sue? Thus what are you going to do in the case of an accident caused by the negligence of others, take the ACC or risk trying a court case where even if you win the weak justice system in this country is likely to award you the princely sum of $20 000, for the life of a parent !?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>think there should be some initial support, but when did it happen that  ACC funds you until you are 18, if your parent dies in an accident. If your parent drops dead from a heart attack you get nothing, but if it is an “accident” you get ACC. The original scheme was about looking after people temporarily until they could work again – not social welfare </i></p>
<p>Well lets see now, maybe it&#8217;s because the imposition of ACC removes peoples ability to sue? Thus what are you going to do in the case of an accident caused by the negligence of others, take the ACC or risk trying a court case where even if you win the weak justice system in this country is likely to award you the princely sum of $20 000, for the life of a parent !?!</p>
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		<title>By: calendar girl</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620307</link>
		<dc:creator>calendar girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you, louie. Espiner is a lightweight political commentator who chooses his subject matter very carefully to avoid any risk of bringing too much aggravation to the left of the political spectrum. DPF treats him with far too much &quot;peer&quot; respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you, louie. Espiner is a lightweight political commentator who chooses his subject matter very carefully to avoid any risk of bringing too much aggravation to the left of the political spectrum. DPF treats him with far too much &#8220;peer&#8221; respect.</p>
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		<title>By: jackp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620303</link>
		<dc:creator>jackp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gravedodger, I am curious, what were your premiums? I am from the states and believe me, you folks don&#039;t want to get into the law suits.  Everyone now pays huge premiums because everyone sues each other.  I have a mate who is a personal liability lawyer, and he invited me for lunch with his lawyers friends.  My gosh, the conversation was about payouts in the millions over stupid accidents that the victim should have been more responsible. But when there is &quot;deep pockets&quot; like a city having insurance, they pay out and up the taxes. By the way, after having lunch with these guys,  I made a solemn promise never to eat with lawyers again.  They are miserable creatures.  People, please, don&#039;t get into lawsuits. That is not the answer.  I like what Rodney Hide said, lower the rates and bring in some competition. Why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gravedodger, I am curious, what were your premiums? I am from the states and believe me, you folks don&#8217;t want to get into the law suits.  Everyone now pays huge premiums because everyone sues each other.  I have a mate who is a personal liability lawyer, and he invited me for lunch with his lawyers friends.  My gosh, the conversation was about payouts in the millions over stupid accidents that the victim should have been more responsible. But when there is &#8220;deep pockets&#8221; like a city having insurance, they pay out and up the taxes. By the way, after having lunch with these guys,  I made a solemn promise never to eat with lawyers again.  They are miserable creatures.  People, please, don&#8217;t get into lawsuits. That is not the answer.  I like what Rodney Hide said, lower the rates and bring in some competition. Why not?</p>
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		<title>By: louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Espiner is a disgrace. No mention in the Press of any role of the previous Govt in the ACC mess, not even the &#039;is it really Labour&#039;s fault ...&#039; point. I&#039;ve never understood why DPF and others rate him in the centre politically. It seems to me he is well to the left of the spectrum. Like most left wing journalists he was obsessed with Brash long after it made sense from a news point. Earlier this year he (Espiner, not Brash) went on and on and on about Christine Rankin for week after week. I suspect his editor must have called halt to the obsessive comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Espiner is a disgrace. No mention in the Press of any role of the previous Govt in the ACC mess, not even the &#8216;is it really Labour&#8217;s fault &#8230;&#8217; point. I&#8217;ve never understood why DPF and others rate him in the centre politically. It seems to me he is well to the left of the spectrum. Like most left wing journalists he was obsessed with Brash long after it made sense from a news point. Earlier this year he (Espiner, not Brash) went on and on and on about Christine Rankin for week after week. I suspect his editor must have called halt to the obsessive comments.</p>
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		<title>By: CharlieBrown</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620251</link>
		<dc:creator>CharlieBrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my health insurance company charged me over $1000 a year if I was earning $45000 I would not take the insurance up. I struggle to see how ACC can justify such rediculous charges. It makes me wonder how much money we really are paying to ACC, especially if you take into account that my employer is also paying ACC for my work time cover. 

This is why ACC needs to be privatised, and opened up to competition. If its government policy that we all must get Accident Insurance then so be it, but let private enterprize do it. This way it will not be open to the tinkering and abuse that politicians are prone to doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my health insurance company charged me over $1000 a year if I was earning $45000 I would not take the insurance up. I struggle to see how ACC can justify such rediculous charges. It makes me wonder how much money we really are paying to ACC, especially if you take into account that my employer is also paying ACC for my work time cover. </p>
<p>This is why ACC needs to be privatised, and opened up to competition. If its government policy that we all must get Accident Insurance then so be it, but let private enterprize do it. This way it will not be open to the tinkering and abuse that politicians are prone to doing.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620240</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Espiner makes a point about motorcycles using less fuel than cars. This is true for smaller bikes, but it&#039;s surprising how a larger bike (say 600 or 750 cc) doesn&#039;t get much better fuel economy than a small car. 

Add to this the much higher depreciation for a motorcycle and in most cases a decent size motorcycle is more expensive and less practical transport than a small car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Espiner makes a point about motorcycles using less fuel than cars. This is true for smaller bikes, but it&#8217;s surprising how a larger bike (say 600 or 750 cc) doesn&#8217;t get much better fuel economy than a small car. </p>
<p>Add to this the much higher depreciation for a motorcycle and in most cases a decent size motorcycle is more expensive and less practical transport than a small car.</p>
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		<title>By: annie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620211</link>
		<dc:creator>annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several significant areas seem to have been overlooked, for instance the nonsense about replacing damaged clothing, some of the lump sum payment provisions seem to have been regarded as too politically volatile to address.

Also, ACC has been pretty slack in the past at following up GP concerns regarding the veracity of claimants&#039; stories - there is a space on the ACC forms for the GP to tick if they believe a review is indicated.  I&#039;ve never seen it picked up and acted on by ACC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several significant areas seem to have been overlooked, for instance the nonsense about replacing damaged clothing, some of the lump sum payment provisions seem to have been regarded as too politically volatile to address.</p>
<p>Also, ACC has been pretty slack in the past at following up GP concerns regarding the veracity of claimants&#8217; stories &#8211; there is a space on the ACC forms for the GP to tick if they believe a review is indicated.  I&#8217;ve never seen it picked up and acted on by ACC.</p>
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		<title>By: wreck1080</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620209</link>
		<dc:creator>wreck1080</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If labour were in power today, they would increase ACC entitlement to include all GP visits .  At the same time, they&#039;d reduce the Car premiums again. 

This is literally how stupid labour were back then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If labour were in power today, they would increase ACC entitlement to include all GP visits .  At the same time, they&#8217;d reduce the Car premiums again. </p>
<p>This is literally how stupid labour were back then.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620202</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have more than one over 600 cc motorcycle and National won&#039;t be getting my vote if this goes ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have more than one over 600 cc motorcycle and National won&#8217;t be getting my vote if this goes ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620192</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>david - Not so sure of that, but I take your point. 

With respect to motor vehicle levies, I contend that the risk assessment, rating and fee collection scheme is completely askew. There&#039;s nothing about track record (past accident history being a very good indicator of future events) and then there&#039;s people with 5 motorbikes simultaneously paying 5x their actual risk. 

Why is the vehicle rated for ACC rather than the driver? Is it fair that the rider of un unregistered trail bike receives ACC for any injury sustained when they&#039;re not paying a levy, while a road rider with 30 years of clear record is the one contributing to the fund?

It&#039;s time for a major overhaul, to purge the ill formed &#039;part-taxation part-welfare&#039; aspects from the scheme and get it back to its risk insurance and rehabilitation roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david &#8211; Not so sure of that, but I take your point. </p>
<p>With respect to motor vehicle levies, I contend that the risk assessment, rating and fee collection scheme is completely askew. There&#8217;s nothing about track record (past accident history being a very good indicator of future events) and then there&#8217;s people with 5 motorbikes simultaneously paying 5x their actual risk. </p>
<p>Why is the vehicle rated for ACC rather than the driver? Is it fair that the rider of un unregistered trail bike receives ACC for any injury sustained when they&#8217;re not paying a levy, while a road rider with 30 years of clear record is the one contributing to the fund?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for a major overhaul, to purge the ill formed &#8216;part-taxation part-welfare&#8217; aspects from the scheme and get it back to its risk insurance and rehabilitation roots.</p>
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		<title>By: peterwn</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620184</link>
		<dc:creator>peterwn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motorbikes and power cycles - Intuition would seem to indicate that for low cc machines (up to 150cc), the riders suffer far more accidents than they cause, the 500% increase for 50cc and less seems rather dubious especially for the Christchurch style which is no more than a push bike with little motor.

Death benefit - in pre ACC days if a worker is killed through employer&#039;s or workmate&#039;s negligence, the family could sue the employer who was obliged to have appropriate insurance. This necessarily had to be a lump sum.  Therefore a ACC death benefit to help the family of a deceased is quite appropriate - this is core to the ACC &#039;social contract&#039;. Whether it should be 80% of wages until youngest child turns 18 would the main issue. The &#039;present value&#039; of the ACC payments would probably greatly exceed the pre ACC lump sum (even before the lawyer&#039;s cut). Perhaps the payments could be capped to five years (80% wages) with the option of 50% wages for 10 years. It should not be a lump sum - the temptation to squander it may be too great.

Seasonal workers - For casual workers including retired people who do some consulting there is a danger that they on average may not receive in aggregate the same benefit as full time workers, ie ACC levies merely become to some extent a deadweight tax on these people. IMO over 65&#039;s who are self employed should be able to &#039;opt out&#039; of most of ACC since they can generally bear loss of work income with no problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motorbikes and power cycles &#8211; Intuition would seem to indicate that for low cc machines (up to 150cc), the riders suffer far more accidents than they cause, the 500% increase for 50cc and less seems rather dubious especially for the Christchurch style which is no more than a push bike with little motor.</p>
<p>Death benefit &#8211; in pre ACC days if a worker is killed through employer&#8217;s or workmate&#8217;s negligence, the family could sue the employer who was obliged to have appropriate insurance. This necessarily had to be a lump sum.  Therefore a ACC death benefit to help the family of a deceased is quite appropriate &#8211; this is core to the ACC &#8216;social contract&#8217;. Whether it should be 80% of wages until youngest child turns 18 would the main issue. The &#8216;present value&#8217; of the ACC payments would probably greatly exceed the pre ACC lump sum (even before the lawyer&#8217;s cut). Perhaps the payments could be capped to five years (80% wages) with the option of 50% wages for 10 years. It should not be a lump sum &#8211; the temptation to squander it may be too great.</p>
<p>Seasonal workers &#8211; For casual workers including retired people who do some consulting there is a danger that they on average may not receive in aggregate the same benefit as full time workers, ie ACC levies merely become to some extent a deadweight tax on these people. IMO over 65&#8242;s who are self employed should be able to &#8216;opt out&#8217; of most of ACC since they can generally bear loss of work income with no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: brucehoult</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620183</link>
		<dc:creator>brucehoult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This new motorcycle levy is grossly unfair.

Either every vehicle user should pay the same, or else everyone should pay an amount tailored to their individual risk.

As someone who has been riding motorcycles on the road for 31 years and about 400,000 km without a single ACC claim, why should I have to pay for someone who gets a bike way beyond their skill and experience level (and in fact one that *I* would never consider owning) and munters themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This new motorcycle levy is grossly unfair.</p>
<p>Either every vehicle user should pay the same, or else everyone should pay an amount tailored to their individual risk.</p>
<p>As someone who has been riding motorcycles on the road for 31 years and about 400,000 km without a single ACC claim, why should I have to pay for someone who gets a bike way beyond their skill and experience level (and in fact one that *I* would never consider owning) and munters themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>getstaffed, sadly, I believe that it is the 50 year olds trying to relive a forgotten youth by getting big bikes (Hogs and Honda Redwings) that are a significant component of the injured.  Similarly with over-the-hill rugby and touch players and skateboarders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>getstaffed, sadly, I believe that it is the 50 year olds trying to relive a forgotten youth by getting big bikes (Hogs and Honda Redwings) that are a significant component of the injured.  Similarly with over-the-hill rugby and touch players and skateboarders.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So petal, would you prefer $ amounts.
To quote Mr Judge, Last year bikers contributed $16million in premiums.  the cost of bike accidents THAT DID NOT INVOLVE A CAR was $76 million.&#039;&#039;  
My recollection might be out by a million or two either way but that was the order of magnitude of the shortfall. 

So quibbling about itty bitty numbers is irrelevant really!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So petal, would you prefer $ amounts.<br />
To quote Mr Judge, Last year bikers contributed $16million in premiums.  the cost of bike accidents THAT DID NOT INVOLVE A CAR was $76 million.&#8221;<br />
My recollection might be out by a million or two either way but that was the order of magnitude of the shortfall. </p>
<p>So quibbling about itty bitty numbers is irrelevant really!</p>
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		<title>By: petal</title>
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		<dc:creator>petal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even under the changes, motorcyclists are being subsidised by other drivers. A motorcyclist is 16 times more likely to be involved in an accident. Not even if half are caused by motorists, that is still eight times more likely.&quot;

That&#039;s come cool back-of-the-envelope guessing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even under the changes, motorcyclists are being subsidised by other drivers. A motorcyclist is 16 times more likely to be involved in an accident. Not even if half are caused by motorists, that is still eight times more likely.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s come cool back-of-the-envelope guessing <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620127</link>
		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that makes me annoyed about this is I think Nick Smith is handling this woefully.  Really he should be able to get public support for the changes that will save the scheme.  Are people suggesting the Government DO NOTHING???  God I wish they would and let us got off to a private insurer.  And this stinking piece of junk from the 1970s can tip over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that makes me annoyed about this is I think Nick Smith is handling this woefully.  Really he should be able to get public support for the changes that will save the scheme.  Are people suggesting the Government DO NOTHING???  God I wish they would and let us got off to a private insurer.  And this stinking piece of junk from the 1970s can tip over.</p>
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		<title>By: Repton</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/espiner_on_acc.html#comment-620115</link>
		<dc:creator>Repton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there any stats on injury rates broken down by type of car?

Perhaps we could increase speeding fines and put the extra into the ACC motorists account..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any stats on injury rates broken down by type of car?</p>
<p>Perhaps we could increase speeding fines and put the extra into the ACC motorists account..</p>
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