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Yes, let’s put ACC out to competetion. After all, as Farrar remarked yesterday it is similar to, but not as yet, the same as HIH. Competition sure worked for HIH, AIG, Citigroup, Babcock Brown, and look how well kiwi “icons” like F+P and PGG Wrightson are doing in their competetive markets – whoring themselves for a fistful of Yuan.
Today we hear that the RWC is estimated to lose $40 Million dollars.
So even with a “stadium of four million” it is going to cost us all a fortune, this is simply money we do not have.
Contact the IRB Mr Key and tell them we cannot afford it, let Japan have it and let them take the loss.
[DPF: I think you are overlooking the tax take on the tourism spending that it will generate. Both the GST on the spending by tourists, and the company tax on travel and accommodation providers]
bb – I am really worried that we will have these games between Outer Mongolia and Uruguay, and there will ten people in the stands watching. The rugby going public who have become disheartened with the corporate game may stay away. I hope not otherwise the loss on teh RWC will be bigger and NZ will look like a bunch of fools on the international stage. They are counting on packed stadiums for all games – I just hope that they are not dreaming.
A reminder for those living in Auckland and concerned about justice.
I have not read the book so I have an open mind. I will decide whether to buy the book after I hear what Keith Hunter has to say.
Invitation
Why is Scott Watson in prison for two murders he never committed?
Presented by Keith Hunter
In attendance
Hon Rodney Hide MP
Keith Locke MP
Saturday 17 October 4-6pm
Mecca Cafe, Cnr Nuffield St and Remuera Rd, Newmarket
Free entry
In 2003 Keith made the film Murder On The Blade? Concerning the Marlborough Sounds murders.
TV1 transmitted it on Friday 3 November – to 547,200 New Zealanders.
The film shows Scott Watson is innocent. A Herald poll some months later indicated it
changed the minds of 15% of the adult population.
Keith wrote Trial By Trickery and published it in March 2007. It focuses on the processes that
put Watson away for life and how those processes were corrupted by the behaviour of the
police and prosecution.
Keith has two websites:
trialbytrickery.com
hunterproductions.co.nz
In the presentation on 17 October Keith will show film demonstrating the actual techniques used in court to obtain the
wrongful conviction.
Keith says: “This time I intend to be absolutely clear in every possible way, my purpose being to make it impossible for
the justice system to ignore its own criminal conduct and that there is no way to avoid a commission of inquiry into that
conduct.”
There are supporters of John Key on this blog, aren’t there? Thinking people who aren’t afraid to give straight answers? Could one of you (or several) respond to this question I put yesterday
(I was a bit stunned by the lack of response)
John Key said this:
I’ve had nine years of being told what lightbulb I can screw into the house, what shower I can take, what food I can eat, what things I can do, what thoughts I am allowed to have.
He was lying. Wasn’t he. None of those things are true. Should a prime minister lie like that?
As I result of hearing that kind of bare-faced lie from John Key, I mistrust everything he says.
“He was lying. Wasn’t he. None of those things are true. Should a prime minister lie like that?”
VI, perhaps you’re mistaking us for lefties ala The Stranded. Just because your PM who WAS a liar and a control freak needed the vigorous and constant defence you mounted there are elsewhere, in order to convince the reef-fish she wasn’t that way at all, doesn’t mean that Key needs the same from us.
Reid – then you agreed that Key lies, or at least did in this instance?
That being the case, what is your opinion about that?
When Helen Clark signed a painting that she didn’t paint, there was a rain of outrage.
Key lies blatantly (5 lies in one sentence!!!) and there is barely a whisper!
If Key is lying to us, I think it is important.
“Reid – then you agreed that Key lies, or at least did in this instance?”
No I don’t, I said I see no need to defend him. Your allegation is spurious propaganda but then you lefties seem to be unable to distinguish between that and the truth of any matter to the extent that you actually seem to believe your own lies.
I’m very disappointed in you VI, even though you’re a lefty you’re very astute and I thought you were of those lefties who doesn’t actually believe your own bollocks, but maybe I was wrong…
Phil, re: your 10:49, I am indeed happy as and would be overjoyed if the govt had the guts to can the ETS completely and tell the UN that climate change was complete fucking bollocks and they would be immediately setting up a scientific institute dedicated to exposing the naive claptrap promulgated by believers.
Reid – those 5 statements are true then?
I’m surprised you say that. I’d always thought you played straight.
My ‘allegation’ is simple and I’ve included the statement for you to look at and decide for yourself.
You say that my question is ‘bollocks’, yet it’s as straight foward as could be.
Key said those things. Those things aren’t true. He was, in my opinion, lying. Should we take his lying into account when he makes statements on other issues?
I am looking for the truth here, in fact truth is what it’s all about.
Thanks for your response. I’m disturbed that so few here will discuss Key’s dishonest ways, even to defend him. What’s with that? Does everyone know about it and I’m the one who came late to the discovery?
I’ll keep asking though. There might be someone on Kiwiblog willing to take an honest look at the issue.
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic (read Maori) is conservative, he sees himself as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
phil, I’m a political analyst not a climatologist and so are you. If I were you I’d stick to your own discipline and analyse the politics around climate change and not the science.
I could equally cite climatologists who say the science is bollocks but I’m not going to because frankly the science bores me. You might find it surprising that I’ve concluded that the science is bollocks without immersing myself deeply in it but that’s because over the years I’ve taught myself to my own satisfaction to recognise that when something looks like a duck and quakes like a duck then it probably is a duck.
The global politics around climate change scream out to any observer that it’s a classic propaganda exercise and if you can’t recognise that then I’d suggest you shouldn’t really pretend you understand politics because clearly you don’t. Once again the old truism that there is nothing so vigorously defended as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction rears its head and it’s no surprise to me that the lefties who were the first to jump on the bandwagon have confused the biggest wealth transfer mechanism in history with actual science.
The way that the climate change religion, and it is a religion, has spread around the world so quickly with little to no dissenting views permitted in any of the MSM until all the useful idiots had been converted to the new religion, is a blatant tell. This issue has not grown organically as a natural part of scientific development but rather it’s been pushed vigorously and quickly like a freight train and the fact that’s happened across the board, across the media and across the political divide and across national boundaries is another blatant tell. Given that many lefties are so against religion it’s rather amusing to me that they fail to recognise the parallels here but that’s a side issue.
Tell a big lie often enough and permit no dissenting views is propaganda 101 and even children could recognise it. But it works on people of all levels of IQ as has been demonstrated throughout history by various regimes of all political stripes. It’s a very interesting development to me that these techniques are being used for the first time in a global cross-national campaign and its fascinating that so many millions have been so completely and immediately fooled in such a very very short time.
Re: the science, the classic propaganda doesn’t work if you tell a COMPLETE fairy tale so you have to use something that has a ring of truth and something that’s very emotive and then wrap it up in something credible. The ring of truth is of course all the emissions that everyone knows occurs, the emotive aspect is this is the only planet we have and the lie is the linkage with the science that says that all those gases esp CO2 have a greenhouse effect. The tell is, there is no dissent permitted until the campaign has been won. It’s obvious what this is and to me, it’s been obvious since day one.
Today we hear that the RWC is estimated to lose $40 Million dollars.
So even with a “stadium of four million” it is going to cost us all a fortune, this is simply money we do not have.
Contact the IRB Mr Key and tell them we cannot afford it, let Japan have it and let them take the loss.
[DPF: I think you are overlooking the tax take on the tourism spending that it will generate. Both the GST on the spending by tourists, and the company tax on travel and accommodation providers]
Don’t often agree with bigbruv, but he’s on the money with this one.
Farrar trots out the same old canard about the alleged benefits of these events, but no audited accounts are ever prepared to back up the canard.
Farrar overlooks the extra costs borne by the community, including the loss of amenity and the loss of freedom these event inevitably bring.
Want to pay by Mastercard? Tough. Only Visa can be used.
Have a shop selling Nike near a venue? No advertising, only addidas logos can be seen in the vicinity.
Want to walk down a public road? Sorry, closed so the IRB don’t have to see real people doing real things.
You will have to enlighten me as I spend 70% of my time out of the country.
But I certainly remember a campaign for eco bulbs
I certainly remember a campaign for miniscule shower heads
I certainly remember stupid Kedgeree on and on and on and on about food
I certainly know a DIY’er cannot do as much around the house was previously allowed to
So what the f*** is your problem? Aside from the usual green afflictions of course.
“..phil, I’m a political analyst not a climatologist and so are you. If I were you I’d stick to your own discipline and analyse the politics around climate change and not the science..”
um..!..i consider myself more having news/information as my ‘discipline’..
the tertiary pol-studs just enhance that..
so..i am firmly in my ‘discipline’..
and..your claim i am not ‘qualified to relate/repeat what 97% of climate-scientists are so emphatic about..
is as rational/logical as those who claim..that ‘cos i’m raising my boy..on a d.p.b..
that i should be barred from commenting on..anything really..!
meh..!
“..I could equally cite climatologists who say the science is bollocks ..”
(that 3% of them..?..)
“..but I’m not going to because frankly the science bores me…”..(!
“..You might find it surprising that I’ve concluded that the science is bollocks ..without immersing myself deeply in it ..”
well..what can i say..?
you are having a garth george-moment..
(proudly pronouncing your ignorances of the facts/nuances of a subject..
all the while..
issuing a strident opinion…(that demeans any other view-holder..)
(‘holy foundation of sand..!..batman..!..)
and hey..!
in yr own words..
eh..?..
“..but that’s because over the years I’ve taught myself to my own satisfaction to recognise that when something looks like a duck and quakes like a duck then it probably is a duck..”
Pentwig – being out of the country has put you out of touch.
Key is lying when he said:
“I’ve had nine years of being told what lightbulb I can screw into the house, what shower I can take, what food I can eat, what things I can do, what thoughts I am allowed to have.”
Was he told what thoughts he was allowed to have? ( (Perhaps he means Crosby-Textor here)
Was he told what things he could do?
Was he told what food he could eat?
Was he told what shower he could take?
Was he told what lightbulb he could screw into the ‘house’?
None of those claims are true. He was lying. I think we should be concerned if our leader lies to us.
If you can show me the truthfulness of any of his statements, I’d appreciate it as my uneaqse is growing.
geez reid, what’s all this conspiracy theory stuff. Is Elvis still alive? When IS Neil Armstrong going to tell the truth about his “moonwalk”? And thousands have conspired to cover up a colony of aliens in, umm, I forget…Arizona?
The fact is that scientists have been persuaded over time to accept the human-induced warming scenario by simple evidence. It’s called the Scientific Method. It actually did take us to the moon.
As I posted yesterday, a late 2008 survey shows 82% of climatologists go with the principle, even if they dispute the extent-that’s a debate for them to have. The consensus clearly is that it is climate change is real and is at least party induced by human activity. I don’t even see why that is controversial to some, given the huge plundering of the earth’s resources in the name of empire and progress.
What I would like to know is this: have those of you who have read “Aircon” by master conman Wishart bothered to read Gareth Morgan’s “Poles Apart”? Take a quick squizz at this:
Yes I own both.
Morgan is an idealogue too.
You are pissing into the wind LUC.
scientists daren’t go against the flow as their jobs are on the line as are research posts and marks.
get real mate.
life isn’t a box of chocolates there are real shits ourt there in academia.
the worst are at the UN. we sent them one!
Now look here David, this will just not do! This morning I must have accessed your blog-site – oh – twelve or thirteen times when trying to indulge my infantile and illogical desire to be the first to blog on a new General Debate page, only to find yesterday’s tired old issues still at the top of your Blog page.
Starting at 6.30am I finally had to leave off at 8.30am when the rest of the house started to stir. And now, on returning, I note that this page didn’t actually light up until well after 9.00 am.
May I make a plea for some consistency here please?. If you’re going to run a General Debate page daily – as I believe you intend to – at least decide on a fixed dail time to light it up. To me 8.00 am seems a reasonable enough time. Not too early for you and yet early enough to miss the crush. Can we proceed on that basis fom here on in please? Thank you!
[DPF: If I am up before 8.00 am I will normally set the debate for 8 am. If I am up after 8 am, it is later than that ]
From the poll I mentioned earlier: “It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.”[84](quoted on Wikipedia)
Brothel cuts rates for ‘green’ customers
Part of Berlin’s red-light scene is going green. One bordello, hoping to stave off falling demand in the economic crisis, has begun offering discounts to customers who pedal bicycles to the door.
Based on the condition that I’m in after my bike rides, I’m fairly certain that they’d not let me stop, let alone offer me a discount!
Some interesting charts here on climate science. A few highlights:
1. Almost nine years’ global cooling at 2.2 F° (1.2 C°) / century (pp10)
2. Hard evidence disproves theory: the ocean is not warming (pp12)
3. Hurricane and tropical-cyclone activity is almost at its lowest since satellite measurement began (pp17)
4. CO2 residence time is about 7 years, not the 100 years imagined by the UN’s climate panel (pp18)
thedavincimode – a metaphor ! How does that work then -
A metaphor is a figure of speech concisely comparing two things, saying that one is the other
So when Keys says: I’ve had nine years of being told what lightbulb I can screw into the house, what shower I can take, what food I can eat, what things I can do, what thoughts I am allowed to have.
if that’s a metaphor, as you say, what is he referring to, if not those things? You were sharp enough to recognise the metaphorical nature of his claims. Can you tell me what he meant?
I believe he was lying. You’re covering his back.
Perhaps in a couple of years time, I’ll be able to say,
I’ve had three years of being told what cough mixture I can take, what designs I can have on my jacket, when I can and can’t talk on my cell-phone etc.
Re getstaffed’s charts from a report party funded by the petroleum industry (American Petroleum Institute; perhaps it should be renamed the Mideast Petroleum Industry in recognition of US imperial reach):
Fascinating Luc, but you’ve really only scratched the surface. Dig a bit deeper to denigrate the source more extensively, and then turn your attention the affiliates, suppliers, supporters and so on, right through to all of the source’s friend’s tennis partners. That should keep you busy.
While you’re doing that other readers might like to check out the veracity of what’s claimed.
Oh and I’d recommend you be a little judicious with the use of Wikipedia links. I seem to recall you dismissing this source outright during a debate a couple of weeks ago.
sorry VI, been a bit busy this morning and I’m on catch up .. I am prepared to say that, at this stage, that I think John Key has been a fantastic PM. Now the lies, I sense there is something in the 5 statements we have missed.
The 5 things he mentioned were not around 9 years ago, most are fairly recent BUT have been in the making over the 9 freaking labour years. You know all those things have been put on us ..please clear up each with your reason they are lies.
“… applied to an object or action that it does not literally denote in order to imploy a resemblance …”
He was referring, as you very well know, to the previous gummints increasing interference in our lives.
So this little campaign you’re running is really scratching. Even if you really were that stupid that were were incapable of knowing exactly what Key was getting at, your gripe seems somewhat hollow given your lapdog support for the plumbing of new depths in standards of political behaviour throughout the last administration.
So, devoid of any shame (or even embarassment) or ideas, the grand plan is an ongoing barrage of trite and vaccuous accusations, mistruths and misconstructions in the vain hope that over time, people will start believing it. The polls are a pretty good indicator that the voting public just isn’t interested in this final refuge of you and your weary pinko chums. But, you’ll keep at it because you just don’t have a better idea. You’re just too traumitised by the fact that 2/3 of the country simply aren’t interested in what you’ve got to say and are sick of copping the consequences of your policies and parliamentary support in the pocket. You can never escape from supporting the most disgraceful period of NZ politics.
jabba – you said: You know all those things have been put on us
but I can’t for the life of me remember:
being told what lightbulb I can screw into the house,
what shower I can take,
what food I can eat,
what thoughts I am allowed to have,
what things I can do.
(I’ve left gaps for you to rebut/clarify)
Key claimed he’d had nine years of ..
I don’t recall, you might know, was Key in NZ for those 9 years preceding Nationals win?
Just as a starter, can you explain where Key might have ‘been told what food he can eat’?
I’m also fascinated that he claims he was being told what thoughts he was allowed to have.
All of his claims are false, imo, and therefore he was lying. It is worrying to have a Prime Minister who lies, I believe.
thedavincicode (village moron is my brother and doesn’t take kindly to being tarred with my idiotic brush – btw)
He wasn’t ‘referring’ to anything, the. He was being specific; ‘what lightbulb I can screw into the house’ is hardly a generalisation.
My question is not a campaign. I think it’s important that a Prime Minister tells the truth. I have no doubt that you were scathing of Helen Clark’s signing of a painting she hadn’t painted. It seems very odd that you defend John Key when he fires off a cluster of untruths. I suspect he does it regularly. Do you simply brush them off with a ‘he’s just speaking metaphorically’?
Key seems not to be especially gifted when it comes to subtleties of language. To believe he is employing subtle metaphors in his statements to the public is quite a stretch, the, but your efforts to promote the idea are doubtless appreciated by Key’s supporters, though there seem to be precious few of them here.
Why not short cut all the abuse and vilification and false allegations (Wiki has its place, but not anywhere within cooee of the Israel question – those Mossad goons are onto it!) and cut to the chase on global warming.
My stance is quite clear. An overwhelming majority of the specialist climatologists (and they don’t fall out of trees) agree that our planet’s temperature is rising over time and THIS TIME is largely caused by human activities, not the historical, naturally occurring variations over millions of years the same climatologists have attested to without disagreement form anyone except, possibly, creationists.
Now, while accepting a vocal minority disagree, that’s enough for me to say: this is serious. We can’t take the chance that the majority is wrong because to do nothing may very well cause incalculable suffering in the future.
So, the next question is, what can we do about it? Personally, I’m suspicious of an ETS because it seems to me that’s just opening another trough for the rort artistes to snuffle in; I don’t like a carbon tax because that inevitably impacts most on those least able to change their ways; I do like ideas put forward by the http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com
So where are you and your other denier mates coming from?
Another resolution has been passed against Israel despite
- a ex-UK senior army officer speaking about how the IDF had gone further than any army to protect citizens and provide advanced warning of attacks
- the Goldstone report having equal criticism of Hamas and yet they managed to avoid not being included in the resolution and even mentioned in the meeting
Not surprising when 99% of the countries who supported the resolution where Islamic or Marxist/Maoist dictatorships.
Unfortunately the NZ media will just print the story as it has been provided to them by the left and aid to the misinformation feed to the general unthinking public.
I think VI is getting pretty literal here .. John Keys is our PM and is talking for us, agree with him or not .. Clark and indeed all previous PM’s did the same .. so when he mentioned the 9 years, he was talking about the 9 years of the labour govt .. he himself did not need to be in the country for his statement to be true??
Light Bulbs/showers for instance .. they (Labour/Greens) wanted the old bulbs banned and shower heads to be confined to the dribblers .. no choices were really available
Food .. no we were not told what we could eat but again, we (our children are part of we) had a huge amount of food and drink banned from schools??
not sure what you mean about what we can do or think .. I’m pretty sure labour MP’s were told what to say and do but there you go.
It’s a pity you dislike JK (can I call him that) so much in such a short time, I took a few years before I took a serious disliking to Clark but there you go.
“took a few years before I took a serious disliking to Clark..”
Sorry jabba, but that I disagree with you. This is why:
Clark has been an unrepentant socialist all her life and, while in government, she was always bound to carry out a platform based on the elusive concept of “social justice” and redistribution of wealth. The execution of such policies took nine years and impoverished New Zealand.
On the other hand, Key was supposedly elected to help us to move away from “nanny statism” and political correctness, while relying on freedom and individual responsiblity, the alleged principles of the National Party he leads.
Almost a year later, and taking into account the severe economic crisis, Key is yet to show any intention to change New Zealand’s course. His government seems to be flying on automatic pilot on the same path established by its socialist predecessor.
jabba – you’re right! I was listening to what he said, not what he meant .
D’oh!
When John Key says, ‘I’, he means ‘we, the country’.
And you’ve shown me, for example, that because ‘Labour/Greens’ wanted energy efficient bulbs and ‘energy smart’ shower heads, John Key can say how offended he is that he had to install them!
What clarity you have provided for me!
I’ll be very careful in the future not to believe what Keys says. I’ll wait instead for someone like your good self to explain to me what he meant .
I almost forgot – it’s my Mum’s birthday today, almost to the hour, 90 odd years ago (you know, give or take) she took her first breath. I always give her a bell. She’s a bit removed from the hustle and bustle these days, of course, so landlines or even mobile networks don’t work where she is. It takes a bit of concentration so I closed my eyes and thought hard. Soon, the receptionist answered with a low key drawl, “Morning Luc.”
Don’t you just hate that caller ID business? I replied cheerily, “Morning God, how is it in the land of the good today?”
“Just fine, Luc, just fine. How’s it on the other side?”
“Ah well, God, you know, between us the question of what’s good and what’s bad seems to be disputed territory.”
“Ha ha, very droll, Luc. You know I’ve told you before Abraham didn’t get everything quite right that day, so it’s not my fault how things turned out in the Holy Land and beyond. My intentions were good.”
“C’mon, God, we’ve been down this road before, and it ended in a bantustan – no way out. Anyway…”
“I know, I know, it’s your Mum’s birthday. I’ll put her on. Bye bye.”
“Hi son, you’re looking well. And that’s a lovely granddaughter of mine I see sitting on your knee.”
“She is indeed Mum…” Mum interrupted.
“Now listen son, I’ve just talked to your sister so I know all the family goss but I gotta tell you, from where I’m sitting, things don’t look too good for you.”
“In what way, Mum?”
“That Hell place. We had a guided tour there the other day. Honestly, you should who’s there! It’s full of politicians and those so-called models and they’re into all sorts of drugs and rude parties…it just not nice!”
I chuckled. I guess the definition of nice is disputed territory, too.
“What about the crims, Mum?”
“They all come here. They repent and get forgiven.”
Huh! Sounds like the SST isn’t doing a very good job. Not even time in Purgatory!
Anyway, after a quick chat, we said our bye bye’s and then she handed me back to God.
“What do you want now, God,” I said with a degree of impatience. His refusal to take any personal responsibility just gets my goat – although it’s amazing there are any goats left after all those bloody sacrifices in the Bible.
“Luc, I just want you to know, if you come over to my side, there will always be a place here for you, beside your Mum.”
“C’mon God, you gotta make the first move here. God, tear down that wall!”
“Luc, there are some things even I can’t do. There are some tough cookies down there.”
“OK God, thanks for the offer anyway. Same time next year, OK? Bye now.”
I’m now embarrassed to admit I was really glad Clark became PM (I also voted for MMP and what a mistake that was) but my interest in politics back then was very limited .. in a way, she was the person who ignited my interest but not in the way she would approve.
Key is very unlucky to get the PM’s job at such an appalling time. He is constrained in many ways to make changes he wants. There are too many dead losses in his “team” and I would suggest that some time early next year we will see a night of the long knives. So lets hope Manolo things do start moving in the way it needs to.
“Why is Scott Watson in prison for two murders he never committed?”
The dudes that done those kids in had dealt to a Ashburton teenager around the same time but Rob and Greg know that !!!! Oh that’s right we can’t arrest him eh filth!
You deserve what’ s coming NZ.
Most of our media simply print the US based and biased feed, usually Reuters, often AP, but rarely or never, for example, Al Jazeera. But anyone who relies on a single source for news is, by definition, poorly informed anyway. Philu’s great mate, Garth George, is a great example of this.
Just to address a couple of your points briefly, so “the most moral army in the world” gave advance notice of the hail of lead and chemicals that was about to envelop them?
How does that ameliorate the crime of slaughtering civilians? Especially give the fact that Gaza’s borders were completely sealed i.e. nowhere to flee to, and even the few available havens, mosques, schools, hospitals, UN buildings, came under fire, usually at a time of maximum occupation.
You betray your prejudice and Islamophobia. I would be very happy to see Hamas examined for war crimes. It should happen, but can’t happen unless Israel presents itself too.
Of course Israel is in the gun for more criticism as they have a massive arsenal of state of the art weaponry and the civilian kill ratio was, what? about 100-1?
As regards the vote, only 13% of the 47 member UNHRC registered a negative vote. I haven’t caught up with the country breakdown, but I would guess that most are neighbours or former colonies of imperial powers. More to the point is who voted no. The imperial US and its client state, Israel, and the bullied and the bribed?
This http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22611 is a wonderful exposition by a British playwright on the apartheid wall. I should have included it in my post above. It neatly captures how the two antagonists have trapped themselves in an enclosed sphere of mutual hostility.
The Security Council will vote in favour of the report, but the US will veto any action. 14-1. Where is the moral authority for Israel in that stand off? Answer, there is none.
Why do you think what Donkey said is a lie Greenfly (10:17 am) seems more like he was summing up his feelings about the previous regime we had in power.
John Key’s statement about state interference in private lives was reported in NBR http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-not-ruling-out-entrenching-maori-seats-37217 and was a damn effective metaphor for the regulations pushed by Labour/Green about shower sizes, light bulbs and so on.
A lie is an untruth told with the deliberate intent of deceiving; John Key pointed out the nature of the socialist paradigm- to control all aspects of life- and every word was truth [a statement of fact that conforms to reality].
Grant, as I understand it, regulations were mooted, but not passed as labour responded to the wishes of the people. As Hootten says (more or less), what we have now is still a nanny state, but in blue.
But, hell, who pays attention to electioneering talk these days?
Luc, your “conversation with G-d” above indicates you don’t have a clue how He works. If you think He owes you anything, you need to do some more research. After all, if you’re going to reject Him, then you really should if you’re wise, know precisely what it is you’re rejecting.
I suggest you ask G-d to point you toward information. Amazingly, when you sincerely present G-d with a request for direction He will give you one. It may not be the one you want or the one you expect and it may not be convenient to your sense of timing, but He always comes through. Key is, sincerity.
Of course, if you’re just making a joke, then you should just forget all about it and resume your profoundly meaningless and trivial life.
You don’t think that your anger management issues have any relation to your current predicament? Just by some slim chance? (he says timidly – God’s easy compared to this stuff!)
Luc ; I am not angry I just want a face to face meeting with the oddity blogger big bruv.
Surely that is a reasonable request. I have enjoyed meeting several bloggers in person that post here. This will be no different.
I just want to know what is its problem with me?
goodness .. Mallard has posted that John Key lied to the house on RednotsoAlert .. his kids on the Std reminded him. Looks like JK is about to be dismissed then??
VI .. if John Key turns out as bad as you say then he could well be gone by lunchtime .. lets wait and see BUT remember that all, well most, PM’s get voted out at some stage. Remembr that the greatest Labour leader of all time time her arse kicked less than a year ago.
As I said above, Mallard has accused him of lying so .. look what happened to Dalziel
Scurry Mc Cully announces that the RWC will lose 30 million. Sneddon says oh yay (now the name Snedon seems to crop up a bit lately with things not so clever. Does the name Lab Tests and DHB have anything in common with that name?) Two Sned’s tarred with the same socialist brush it seems.
Bill (Double Dipton) announces that we are not going to let a minor detail of 39 million loss bother us at all.
Next statement he warns people not to indulge in property speculation! Apparently wage earners are supposed to be upset at seeing others make a quid. Oddly enough I had a conversation with one of those wage earners on Wednesday. About to sell the house he stole last year for somewhere to live and make a cool 100K. And I kid you not both he and she are really and truly hourly workers on basic wages. So I kinda think Bill had better watch what he does cause he will piss off those wage earners. Something Helen never did.
So it seems from his tV tonight that he is gonna attack those that want to help themselves. Fucking moron. Failed leader and about to become a more failed finance minister than the last useless communist rich prick.
Warming emperor suddenly naked
Andrew Bolt
Wednesday, October 14, 2009 at 12:03pm
The ice is indeed cracking – under the feet of warming alarmism in Britain.
First it was the BBC that at last dared to wonder:
What happened to global warming?…
For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures. And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise…
Now the Daily Mail asks the same question:
Whatever happened to global warming? How freezing temperatures are starting to shatter climate change theory
Some of the Mail’s figures are wrong (about the NASA record), but the bigger picture is that the news cycle is finally turning. Once journalists start courting sceptical scientists with even a fraction of the energy that the courted the believers, they’ll be surprised to find how many they find.
And more scientists will dare to be found, too. This is the like the moment in the Emperor’s New Clothes, in which the boy calls out: “But he’s naked.”
“There is absolutely no instant fix and none should be expected”
There may not be an instant fix, however, Neville Key should have at least STARTED to do something about it by now.
“Be gratified that the country has got a government with integrity to lead us out with individual and collective financial security.”
What a crock of shit, we have a spineless government who have done NOTHING at all to “lead us” anywhere other than the same path trod by Labour.
“Imagine the chaos if the Lab government had retained the power.”
What chaos?, things would be almost exactly as they are now, cancelled tax cuts, nothing done about the legions of bludgers and a govt that continues to spend money we DO NOT fucking well have.
“Before such negative comments, give them time to prove their ideals, ie in 2 years from now there will be another election.”
We do not have that luxury, and anyway, Neville Key and Idiot English will simply continue to do what they have already done which is NOTHING.
Look, nobody is happier than I am at the demise of Klark, however, most of us were conned into voting for change and a new direction, to date we have not seen any change and the direction has not altered course at all.
Stop being a cheer leader for Neville Key and start asking the hard questions, the longer this fool (and English) stay in power the longer and harder the recovery is going to be.
to support my contention that Key tells lies but I expect you’d dissect it to the point that you’d argue that he was just speaking metaphorically and not lying at all.
I want a government and a LEADER who is brave enough to tell the truth, sure, he is happy to break the promises he made to middle NZ (the same middle NZ who have been royally screwed by Klark and Kullen) but he has done nothing to rid us of our dependence on the government as a way of curing all of our ills, in short, I want a PM who is going to make a start on fixing up the mess left by Labour, so far he has not done a thing other than continue business as normal.
Every month these two idiots stay in power we fall deeper into debt, I am not prepared to let that pass without trying to do something about it, I am not going to let National party cheer leaders spin it as a good thing, Key and English are a joke, the sooner they go the better.
Digression…. It’s pissing down again here in Wellington. Was driving at 5:30 when the last downpour happened. I could have kayaked most of the way down the hill – the road was completely awash and running like rapids. I thought it only rained this hard in Auckland!
If you are not “outraged” then why mention it, or have you reverted to juvenile trolling once again?
Kirk, Rowling, Muldoon, Lange, Palmer, Moore, Klark and Key have all told lies and you know it.
If you are going to play the morally superior card then perhaps you would do well to go and clean your own house first, because as we all know, when it comes to bullshitting MP’s the Greens win hands down.
Bruv – morally superior? Hardly. I’ve not mentioned any other parties or politicians at all , other than Helen Clark and only to mention her painting-signing. I was, however, making the point that I believe Prime Ministers should tell the truth to the public. I didn’t embroil any lesser politicians at all. I wanted to know how supporters of Key felt about lying. You don’t think mine was a fair question? Again, my feeling is that Key lies casually and often.
[DPF: Boy was reversing that ban a big mistake. Once a troll, always a troll. 13 posts in one thread all just calling someone a liar is a prime example of trolling. And he should look up the definition of hyperbole one day]
BB
What stab us 219 times and jump on our grave before we’ve woken up in the morning and eaten hot gravel and then to go work 27 hrs at the mill and pay the mill owner to employ you!
oops sorry wrong film.
I do agree with your sentiments but there is a bigger picture.
The recession is costing us $m400 a week to lessen the impact on us all by keeping as many possible employed. How this works I do not know, but this government I do trust.
You would expect the economic audit pre election to be truthful and realistic after all this is what both major parties base their election strategy on. It is obvious that Labour did not expect to lose the elections because the financial statements were falsified. An unexpected nasty surprise for National.
I prefer to wait for BE’s second budget before being too critical of the financial side.
However I believe Key made a mistake over the smacking bill. He also made a mistake giving Cullen, a now proven deceiver, employment. It is also unfortunate that he allowed the opposition to endeavour to embarrass BE without hitting back. Anybody with any backbone does not let the second punch hit them.
I am also not too sure if ACT has the complete answer either.
“um, do you think God has got something against being called God?”
Um, I don’t know.
The beauty of worshipping G-d is that one does so under the terms one understands is appropriate. A worship in a field is as acceptable to G-d as one in Westminster Abbey, for example.
One who worships G-d is not answerable to what man thinks is acceptable but to what that man understands that G-d would think is acceptable. And since G-d has designed man to have free will, that means that a man has to answer that question for himself.
One of my personal answers not commonly used amongst my Christian brethren is that convention I choose to use.
Haha how could ACT do anything other than blow hot air like the coward of the county big blouse.
Can’t wait until we post under REAL names eh big blouse. What a sick joke you are.
Regards
Peter Burns
I am not angry, only a blog, yeah right, real life is much simpler than blogging because you deal with REAL people not keyboard cowards. How is fugley these days or are you big blouse?
Tell you what, after reading the moronic dribble from the idiot here, the chance of me ever voting Labour again just left the realms of this lifetime, what a sad fucked up person. No semblance of debate or discussion, just more of the shite that the left spat for 9 years that made me vote National/conservative for the first time in my life. At a time when I might have been a little disillusioned with the Nats VI turns up and reminds me what a pathetic, sad, fucked up group of people those on the left seem to be. Cheers.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
They say men like cars and women like clothes. I definitely agree. I mean, as long as I stay in my car, why wear clothes?
October 17th, 2009 at 9:47 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10603740
Excellent stuff Rodney!
October 17th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Yes, let’s put ACC out to competetion. After all, as Farrar remarked yesterday it is similar to, but not as yet, the same as HIH. Competition sure worked for HIH, AIG, Citigroup, Babcock Brown, and look how well kiwi “icons” like F+P and PGG Wrightson are doing in their competetive markets – whoring themselves for a fistful of Yuan.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Meanwhile…..
Today we hear that the RWC is estimated to lose $40 Million dollars.
So even with a “stadium of four million” it is going to cost us all a fortune, this is simply money we do not have.
Contact the IRB Mr Key and tell them we cannot afford it, let Japan have it and let them take the loss.
[DPF: I think you are overlooking the tax take on the tourism spending that it will generate. Both the GST on the spending by tourists, and the company tax on travel and accommodation providers]
October 17th, 2009 at 10:11 am
bb – I am really worried that we will have these games between Outer Mongolia and Uruguay, and there will ten people in the stands watching. The rugby going public who have become disheartened with the corporate game may stay away. I hope not otherwise the loss on teh RWC will be bigger and NZ will look like a bunch of fools on the international stage. They are counting on packed stadiums for all games – I just hope that they are not dreaming.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:14 am
A reminder for those living in Auckland and concerned about justice.
I have not read the book so I have an open mind. I will decide whether to buy the book after I hear what Keith Hunter has to say.
Invitation
Why is Scott Watson in prison for two murders he never committed?
Presented by Keith Hunter
In attendance
Hon Rodney Hide MP
Keith Locke MP
Saturday 17 October 4-6pm
Mecca Cafe, Cnr Nuffield St and Remuera Rd, Newmarket
Free entry
In 2003 Keith made the film Murder On The Blade? Concerning the Marlborough Sounds murders.
TV1 transmitted it on Friday 3 November – to 547,200 New Zealanders.
The film shows Scott Watson is innocent. A Herald poll some months later indicated it
changed the minds of 15% of the adult population.
Keith wrote Trial By Trickery and published it in March 2007. It focuses on the processes that
put Watson away for life and how those processes were corrupted by the behaviour of the
police and prosecution.
Keith has two websites:
trialbytrickery.com
hunterproductions.co.nz
In the presentation on 17 October Keith will show film demonstrating the actual techniques used in court to obtain the
wrongful conviction.
Keith says: “This time I intend to be absolutely clear in every possible way, my purpose being to make it impossible for
the justice system to ignore its own criminal conduct and that there is no way to avoid a commission of inquiry into that
conduct.”
October 17th, 2009 at 10:17 am
There are supporters of John Key on this blog, aren’t there? Thinking people who aren’t afraid to give straight answers? Could one of you (or several) respond to this question I put yesterday
(I was a bit stunned by the lack of response)
John Key said this:
I’ve had nine years of being told what lightbulb I can screw into the house, what shower I can take, what food I can eat, what things I can do, what thoughts I am allowed to have.
He was lying. Wasn’t he. None of those things are true. Should a prime minister lie like that?
As I result of hearing that kind of bare-faced lie from John Key, I mistrust everything he says.
How about you?
October 17th, 2009 at 10:19 am
shit..!..i totally agree with the 10.01 from big bruv..
radical times call for radical thinkiing..
and this is just one huge economic black hole..
and the monies much better used elsewhere..
how about a ‘can the cup!’-campaign..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Pity Phil can’t see all the other economic black holes.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I want to know if LUCY took Mr Plimer to bed and if so what was he like?
My curiosity is purely intellectual, OK?
October 17th, 2009 at 10:28 am
vi..i think key is getting somewhat rattled..
probably by the fact the job is harder than he thought it wd be..
then there are the incompetents that surround him..
some days he must yearn for the powers of a donald trump..
‘phil heatley..you have brought the party into disrepute with your troughing of eighty-one grand a year..
..to further expand your property empire..at the expense of the taxpayers..
you’re fired..!.
bill english..?..you’re fired too..!
for all the obvious troughing-reasons..
where’s that jonothan coleman..?..
bring him to me..!.”
(more evidence of his rattled state..has been his hysterical-rants about wild-eyed ‘p’-addicts turning up on law abiding punters’ doors..(!)
who knew..?
(um..!..any actual cases/news-reports of this..?..or is this a made-to-fit..?..)
heh..!
plus..he has morphed from ‘honest john’..(whew..!..that’s now an oxymoron..in blazing neon..eh..?)
into nanny-john..
once again..heh..!
phil(whoar.co
October 17th, 2009 at 10:30 am
“..Pity Phil can’t see all the other economic black holes..”
you mean like phil..(‘hey..!..it’s only eighty-one grand!’) heatley..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Don’t stop now Phil…
Jesus, I can’t believe I said that.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Fresh bone to chew on for a minute…
Vertebrates are appearing on our court benches.
A Christchurch judge lectures a weeping family, asking where they were when the defendant was going off the rails.
http://courtnews.co.nz/story.php?id=2310
October 17th, 2009 at 10:42 am
“He was lying. Wasn’t he. None of those things are true. Should a prime minister lie like that?”
VI, perhaps you’re mistaking us for lefties ala The Stranded. Just because your PM who WAS a liar and a control freak needed the vigorous and constant defence you mounted there are elsewhere, in order to convince the reef-fish she wasn’t that way at all, doesn’t mean that Key needs the same from us.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:49 am
so reid..you ‘happy-as’ about this..?
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/taxpayers-to-subsidise-big-pollutersunder-the-changes-the-government-would-still-be-paying-a-55-per-cent-subsidy-to-high-emission-industries-by-2050/
“..(now..does just that 2050-fact in that headline make you go ‘f.f.s.!’..?
if not..why not..?..)
“..Big polluters would get unlimited taxpayer subsidies through changes to the emissions trading scheme (ETS) ..
.. says the country’s top environmental watchdog.
Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment Jan Wright said National’s amendment bill weakened the scheme ..
.. especially through a generous giveaway of carbon credits.
“We do lock in dirty investments by some industries,” she said.
In a scathing submission to Parliament’s finance and expenditure select committee .. which is considering the bill ..
.. Wright said the allocation of credits after 2012 to industrial processes, industrial heat generation and petroleum refining ..
.. was “extremely generous”.
She recommended capping free credits ..
.. otherwise “costs can increase without limit”.
Under the changes, Wright said, the Government would still be paying a 55 per cent subsidy to high-emission industries by 2050.
“This is incompatible with the Government’s target to reduce 1990 emissions by 50 per cent by 2050,” she said..”
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Reid – then you agreed that Key lies, or at least did in this instance?
That being the case, what is your opinion about that?
When Helen Clark signed a painting that she didn’t paint, there was a rain of outrage.
Key lies blatantly (5 lies in one sentence!!!) and there is barely a whisper!
If Key is lying to us, I think it is important.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:00 am
come on guys answer the man!
Is Key a liar?
Should we be worried?
this isn’t real life just a blog.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:02 am
“Reid – then you agreed that Key lies, or at least did in this instance?”
No I don’t, I said I see no need to defend him. Your allegation is spurious propaganda but then you lefties seem to be unable to distinguish between that and the truth of any matter to the extent that you actually seem to believe your own lies.
I’m very disappointed in you VI, even though you’re a lefty you’re very astute and I thought you were of those lefties who doesn’t actually believe your own bollocks, but maybe I was wrong…
October 17th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Phil, re: your 10:49, I am indeed happy as and would be overjoyed if the govt had the guts to can the ETS completely and tell the UN that climate change was complete fucking bollocks and they would be immediately setting up a scientific institute dedicated to exposing the naive claptrap promulgated by believers.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:08 am
um..!
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/climate-scientists-%e2%80%9cinaction-is-inexcusable%e2%80%9d/
“..Global warming deniers often suggest that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Fourth Assessment Report is a political document ..
.. and they’re partially right — but not in the way that they might think.
The report is conservative by nature, relying on studies that were largely published before 2005 ..
.. and the picture it paints is far rosier than it should be.
Over the last five years, study after peer-reviewed study has suggested that the Fourth Assessment Report is already out-of-date ..
.. and global warming is barreling along.
So it’s worthwhile to reconsider the science on this, Blog Action Day.
Luckily for me, I don’t have to do the heavy lifting.
Leading experts have made good on a promise to update the climate change science in advance of Copenhagen ..
.. and they’re telling politicians that humanity is risking “abrupt and irreversible climatic shifts”..
.. from the accelerating pace of global warming.
Rising global surface and ocean temperatures, surging sea levels, extreme weather events ..
.. and the retreat of Arctic sea ice* ..
.. are all coming harder and faster than research suggested five or 10 years ago.
The takeaway message is that politicians had better find a way to work together at the next international climate summit in December —
– or shortly after — or the results will be devastating.
The 36-page document summarizes more than 1,400 studies presented at an emergency climate conference held last in March in Copenhagen.
The report said that greenhouse gas emissions are growing faster than expected ..
.. and evidence accumulates that the planet itself is becoming a factor..”
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Reid – those 5 statements are true then?
I’m surprised you say that. I’d always thought you played straight.
My ‘allegation’ is simple and I’ve included the statement for you to look at and decide for yourself.
You say that my question is ‘bollocks’, yet it’s as straight foward as could be.
Key said those things. Those things aren’t true. He was, in my opinion, lying. Should we take his lying into account when he makes statements on other issues?
I am looking for the truth here, in fact truth is what it’s all about.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:15 am
now..who to believe..?
all those scientists..?
“..The 36-page document summarizes more than 1,400 studies ..”
or reid..?
“..climate change was complete fucking bollocks..”
(one of them must ne right/wrong..eh..?
and how about the implications/consequences of reid being ‘wrong’..?
whoar..!..eh..?
(and reid obviously hasn’t had his ‘oh shit..!’-moment yet..eh..?..)
(a hard call..?.
i think not..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 11:17 am
he lied like a flatfish.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am
No floundering around from you MikeNZ!
Thanks for your response. I’m disturbed that so few here will discuss Key’s dishonest ways, even to defend him. What’s with that? Does everyone know about it and I’m the one who came late to the discovery?
I’ll keep asking though. There might be someone on Kiwiblog willing to take an honest look at the issue.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Excellent (with thanks to Crusader Rabbit):
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic (read Maori) is conservative, he sees himself as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:57 am
phil, I’m a political analyst not a climatologist and so are you. If I were you I’d stick to your own discipline and analyse the politics around climate change and not the science.
I could equally cite climatologists who say the science is bollocks but I’m not going to because frankly the science bores me. You might find it surprising that I’ve concluded that the science is bollocks without immersing myself deeply in it but that’s because over the years I’ve taught myself to my own satisfaction to recognise that when something looks like a duck and quakes like a duck then it probably is a duck.
The global politics around climate change scream out to any observer that it’s a classic propaganda exercise and if you can’t recognise that then I’d suggest you shouldn’t really pretend you understand politics because clearly you don’t. Once again the old truism that there is nothing so vigorously defended as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction rears its head and it’s no surprise to me that the lefties who were the first to jump on the bandwagon have confused the biggest wealth transfer mechanism in history with actual science.
The way that the climate change religion, and it is a religion, has spread around the world so quickly with little to no dissenting views permitted in any of the MSM until all the useful idiots had been converted to the new religion, is a blatant tell. This issue has not grown organically as a natural part of scientific development but rather it’s been pushed vigorously and quickly like a freight train and the fact that’s happened across the board, across the media and across the political divide and across national boundaries is another blatant tell. Given that many lefties are so against religion it’s rather amusing to me that they fail to recognise the parallels here but that’s a side issue.
Tell a big lie often enough and permit no dissenting views is propaganda 101 and even children could recognise it. But it works on people of all levels of IQ as has been demonstrated throughout history by various regimes of all political stripes. It’s a very interesting development to me that these techniques are being used for the first time in a global cross-national campaign and its fascinating that so many millions have been so completely and immediately fooled in such a very very short time.
Re: the science, the classic propaganda doesn’t work if you tell a COMPLETE fairy tale so you have to use something that has a ring of truth and something that’s very emotive and then wrap it up in something credible. The ring of truth is of course all the emissions that everyone knows occurs, the emotive aspect is this is the only planet we have and the lie is the linkage with the science that says that all those gases esp CO2 have a greenhouse effect. The tell is, there is no dissent permitted until the campaign has been won. It’s obvious what this is and to me, it’s been obvious since day one.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:59 am
big bruv (4737) Vote: 6 0 Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Meanwhile…..
Today we hear that the RWC is estimated to lose $40 Million dollars.
So even with a “stadium of four million” it is going to cost us all a fortune, this is simply money we do not have.
Contact the IRB Mr Key and tell them we cannot afford it, let Japan have it and let them take the loss.
[DPF: I think you are overlooking the tax take on the tourism spending that it will generate. Both the GST on the spending by tourists, and the company tax on travel and accommodation providers]
Don’t often agree with bigbruv, but he’s on the money with this one.
Farrar trots out the same old canard about the alleged benefits of these events, but no audited accounts are ever prepared to back up the canard.
Farrar overlooks the extra costs borne by the community, including the loss of amenity and the loss of freedom these event inevitably bring.
Want to pay by Mastercard? Tough. Only Visa can be used.
Have a shop selling Nike near a venue? No advertising, only addidas logos can be seen in the vicinity.
Want to walk down a public road? Sorry, closed so the IRB don’t have to see real people doing real things.
October 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
VI
You will have to enlighten me as I spend 70% of my time out of the country.
But I certainly remember a campaign for eco bulbs
I certainly remember a campaign for miniscule shower heads
I certainly remember stupid Kedgeree on and on and on and on about food
I certainly know a DIY’er cannot do as much around the house was previously allowed to
So what the f*** is your problem? Aside from the usual green afflictions of course.
October 17th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
“..phil, I’m a political analyst not a climatologist and so are you. If I were you I’d stick to your own discipline and analyse the politics around climate change and not the science..”
um..!..i consider myself more having news/information as my ‘discipline’..
the tertiary pol-studs just enhance that..
so..i am firmly in my ‘discipline’..
and..your claim i am not ‘qualified to relate/repeat what 97% of climate-scientists are so emphatic about..
is as rational/logical as those who claim..that ‘cos i’m raising my boy..on a d.p.b..
that i should be barred from commenting on..anything really..!
meh..!
“..I could equally cite climatologists who say the science is bollocks ..”
(that 3% of them..?..)
“..but I’m not going to because frankly the science bores me…”..(!
“..You might find it surprising that I’ve concluded that the science is bollocks ..without immersing myself deeply in it ..”
well..what can i say..?
you are having a garth george-moment..
(proudly pronouncing your ignorances of the facts/nuances of a subject..
all the while..
issuing a strident opinion…(that demeans any other view-holder..)
(‘holy foundation of sand..!..batman..!..)
and hey..!
in yr own words..
eh..?..
“..but that’s because over the years I’ve taught myself to my own satisfaction to recognise that when something looks like a duck and quakes like a duck then it probably is a duck..”
now..that one just ‘takes the cake’..
..for too many reasons to list..
so..in summary:
you admit to knowing fuck all about it..
and doing fuck all to alter that state..
and rely on a water-birded-themed cliche/homily..
to support yr climate-change-denial ‘stance’..
eh..?
whoar..!
(that’d be an ‘over and out’ from you..?
wouldn’t it..?
surely..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
reid said:
Tell a big lie often enough and permit no dissenting views is propaganda 101 and even children could recognise it.
Is that your real answer to my question: Is John Key lying to us?
You’re so hard to read, reid.
October 17th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
“climate-change-denial”
Spoken like a true believer, phil.
I noticed you didn’t address the argument which is the clear evidence that it’s nothing more than propaganda. Is that because you can’t, or you won’t?
October 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Pentwig – being out of the country has put you out of touch.
Key is lying when he said:
“I’ve had nine years of being told what lightbulb I can screw into the house, what shower I can take, what food I can eat, what things I can do, what thoughts I am allowed to have.”
Was he told what thoughts he was allowed to have? ( (Perhaps he means Crosby-Textor here)
Was he told what things he could do?
Was he told what food he could eat?
Was he told what shower he could take?
Was he told what lightbulb he could screw into the ‘house’?
None of those claims are true. He was lying. I think we should be concerned if our leader lies to us.
If you can show me the truthfulness of any of his statements, I’d appreciate it as my uneaqse is growing.
October 17th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
“..I noticed you didn’t address the argument which is the clear evidence that it’s nothing more than propaganda..”
what ‘evidence’..?
esp. ‘evidence strong enough to counter the opinions of 97% of the worlds’ climate-scientists..eh..?
y’know..!
have you ever heard the homily/cliche ..
‘when in a hole..do not dig deeper..!’..?
my ‘over and out’. to you..
was also your path to avoid further humiliation..
but..y’know..!
you seem determined to further prove both the depth and width of your ignorances..
be my guest..!
(can i call you ‘garth’..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
and..
could the acc ‘reforms’ be more cruel/heartless..?
hooray-henrys can continue to fall off their skis..
but victims of sexual abuse are denied treatment etc..
are key/smith/national .. ‘monsters’..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Like the sexual abuse victims in the Ellis case philu?
October 17th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
geez reid, what’s all this conspiracy theory stuff. Is Elvis still alive? When IS Neil Armstrong going to tell the truth about his “moonwalk”? And thousands have conspired to cover up a colony of aliens in, umm, I forget…Arizona?
The fact is that scientists have been persuaded over time to accept the human-induced warming scenario by simple evidence. It’s called the Scientific Method. It actually did take us to the moon.
As I posted yesterday, a late 2008 survey shows 82% of climatologists go with the principle, even if they dispute the extent-that’s a debate for them to have. The consensus clearly is that it is climate change is real and is at least party induced by human activity. I don’t even see why that is controversial to some, given the huge plundering of the earth’s resources in the name of empire and progress.
What I would like to know is this: have those of you who have read “Aircon” by master conman Wishart bothered to read Gareth Morgan’s “Poles Apart”? Take a quick squizz at this:
http://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2009/05/19/gareth-morgans-alarmists-poles-apart-was-worth-the-effort/
At the very least, the precautionary principle needs to be actioned in the interests of future generations, surely.
October 17th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Yes I own both.
Morgan is an idealogue too.
You are pissing into the wind LUC.
scientists daren’t go against the flow as their jobs are on the line as are research posts and marks.
get real mate.
life isn’t a box of chocolates there are real shits ourt there in academia.
the worst are at the UN. we sent them one!
October 17th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
nckb shows his/her tenuous at best grasp on the subject on hand..
and..mikenz..
..is clearly of the moonbat-conspiracy theory/school of ‘thought’..
‘cos..’scientists daren’t go against the flow as their jobs are on the line ..”
i mean..!
could you be more of a knuckle-dragger..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Village fuckwit
That was a metaphor. It seems there are only two of you who didn’t realise it.
October 17th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
MikeNZ
Your rant just proves my case, as if it really needed proving.
Basically, you have just accused 82% of the world’s climatologists of being wimps.
While you post anonymously on here.
October 17th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Now look here David, this will just not do! This morning I must have accessed your blog-site – oh – twelve or thirteen times when trying to indulge my infantile and illogical desire to be the first to blog on a new General Debate page, only to find yesterday’s tired old issues still at the top of your Blog page.
Starting at 6.30am I finally had to leave off at 8.30am when the rest of the house started to stir. And now, on returning, I note that this page didn’t actually light up until well after 9.00 am.
May I make a plea for some consistency here please?. If you’re going to run a General Debate page daily – as I believe you intend to – at least decide on a fixed dail time to light it up. To me 8.00 am seems a reasonable enough time. Not too early for you and yet early enough to miss the crush. Can we proceed on that basis fom here on in please? Thank you!
[DPF: If I am up before 8.00 am I will normally set the debate for 8 am. If I am up after 8 am, it is later than that
]
October 17th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
From the poll I mentioned earlier: “It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.”[84](quoted on Wikipedia)
October 17th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
From Stuff:
Based on the condition that I’m in after my bike rides, I’m fairly certain that they’d not let me stop, let alone offer me a discount!
October 17th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Some interesting charts here on climate science. A few highlights:
1. Almost nine years’ global cooling at 2.2 F° (1.2 C°) / century (pp10)
2. Hard evidence disproves theory: the ocean is not warming (pp12)
3. Hurricane and tropical-cyclone activity is almost at its lowest since satellite measurement began (pp17)
4. CO2 residence time is about 7 years, not the 100 years imagined by the UN’s climate panel (pp18)
October 17th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
thedavincimode – a metaphor ! How does that work then -
A metaphor is a figure of speech concisely comparing two things, saying that one is the other
So when Keys says: I’ve had nine years of being told what lightbulb I can screw into the house, what shower I can take, what food I can eat, what things I can do, what thoughts I am allowed to have.
if that’s a metaphor, as you say, what is he referring to, if not those things? You were sharp enough to recognise the metaphorical nature of his claims. Can you tell me what he meant?
I believe he was lying. You’re covering his back.
Perhaps in a couple of years time, I’ll be able to say,
I’ve had three years of being told what cough mixture I can take, what designs I can have on my jacket, when I can and can’t talk on my cell-phone etc.
and I’ll just be speaking metaphorically
Hang on…
October 17th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Re getstaffed’s charts from a report party funded by the petroleum industry (American Petroleum Institute; perhaps it should be renamed the Mideast Petroleum Industry in recognition of US imperial reach):
This is the Wiki bio of the organisation’s chief scientist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Soon
And he acts a a paid consultant to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Marshall_Institute (Marshall Institute) described “by Newsweek as a “central cog in the denial machine.”[2 (Wiki)
October 17th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Fascinating Luc, but you’ve really only scratched the surface. Dig a bit deeper to denigrate the source more extensively, and then turn your attention the affiliates, suppliers, supporters and so on, right through to all of the source’s friend’s tennis partners. That should keep you busy.
While you’re doing that other readers might like to check out the veracity of what’s claimed.
Oh and I’d recommend you be a little judicious with the use of Wikipedia links. I seem to recall you dismissing this source outright during a debate a couple of weeks ago.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
sorry VI, been a bit busy this morning and I’m on catch up .. I am prepared to say that, at this stage, that I think John Key has been a fantastic PM. Now the lies, I sense there is something in the 5 statements we have missed.
The 5 things he mentioned were not around 9 years ago, most are fairly recent BUT have been in the making over the 9 freaking labour years. You know all those things have been put on us ..please clear up each with your reason they are lies.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2975073/Maori-Party-aims-for-18-seats
oh dear..
October 17th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
village moron
“… applied to an object or action that it does not literally denote in order to imploy a resemblance …”
He was referring, as you very well know, to the previous gummints increasing interference in our lives.
So this little campaign you’re running is really scratching. Even if you really were that stupid that were were incapable of knowing exactly what Key was getting at, your gripe seems somewhat hollow given your lapdog support for the plumbing of new depths in standards of political behaviour throughout the last administration.
So, devoid of any shame (or even embarassment) or ideas, the grand plan is an ongoing barrage of trite and vaccuous accusations, mistruths and misconstructions in the vain hope that over time, people will start believing it. The polls are a pretty good indicator that the voting public just isn’t interested in this final refuge of you and your weary pinko chums. But, you’ll keep at it because you just don’t have a better idea. You’re just too traumitised by the fact that 2/3 of the country simply aren’t interested in what you’ve got to say and are sick of copping the consequences of your policies and parliamentary support in the pocket. You can never escape from supporting the most disgraceful period of NZ politics.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
jabba – you said: You know all those things have been put on us
but I can’t for the life of me remember:
being told what lightbulb I can screw into the house,
what shower I can take,
what food I can eat,
what thoughts I am allowed to have,
what things I can do.
(I’ve left gaps for you to rebut/clarify)
Key claimed he’d had nine years of ..
I don’t recall, you might know, was Key in NZ for those 9 years preceding Nationals win?
Just as a starter, can you explain where Key might have ‘been told what food he can eat’?
I’m also fascinated that he claims he was being told what thoughts he was allowed to have.
All of his claims are false, imo, and therefore he was lying. It is worrying to have a Prime Minister who lies, I believe.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Yikes; the shorthand … is the moron morphing into the magpie … aka the last blogger at the end of the couch …??
Spooky!
October 17th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
thedavincicode (village moron is my brother and doesn’t take kindly to being tarred with my idiotic brush – btw)
He wasn’t ‘referring’ to anything, the. He was being specific; ‘what lightbulb I can screw into the house’ is hardly a generalisation.
My question is not a campaign. I think it’s important that a Prime Minister tells the truth. I have no doubt that you were scathing of Helen Clark’s signing of a painting she hadn’t painted. It seems very odd that you defend John Key when he fires off a cluster of untruths. I suspect he does it regularly. Do you simply brush them off with a ‘he’s just speaking metaphorically’?
Key seems not to be especially gifted when it comes to subtleties of language. To believe he is employing subtle metaphors in his statements to the public is quite a stretch, the, but your efforts to promote the idea are doubtless appreciated by Key’s supporters, though there seem to be precious few of them here.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Luc Hansen (172) Vote: 0 6 Says:
October 17th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I want to know if LUCY took Mr Plimer to bed and if so what was he like?
Yes I did. And it was dam fine!
October 17th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Oh dear. You really are that stupid.
October 17th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
getstaffed
Why not short cut all the abuse and vilification and false allegations (Wiki has its place, but not anywhere within cooee of the Israel question – those Mossad goons are onto it!) and cut to the chase on global warming.
My stance is quite clear. An overwhelming majority of the specialist climatologists (and they don’t fall out of trees) agree that our planet’s temperature is rising over time and THIS TIME is largely caused by human activities, not the historical, naturally occurring variations over millions of years the same climatologists have attested to without disagreement form anyone except, possibly, creationists.
Now, while accepting a vocal minority disagree, that’s enough for me to say: this is serious. We can’t take the chance that the majority is wrong because to do nothing may very well cause incalculable suffering in the future.
So, the next question is, what can we do about it? Personally, I’m suspicious of an ETS because it seems to me that’s just opening another trough for the rort artistes to snuffle in; I don’t like a carbon tax because that inevitably impacts most on those least able to change their ways; I do like ideas put forward by the http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com
So where are you and your other denier mates coming from?
October 17th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Lucy
October 17th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Another joke from the UN Human Rights committee.
Another resolution has been passed against Israel despite
- a ex-UK senior army officer speaking about how the IDF had gone further than any army to protect citizens and provide advanced warning of attacks
- the Goldstone report having equal criticism of Hamas and yet they managed to avoid not being included in the resolution and even mentioned in the meeting
Not surprising when 99% of the countries who supported the resolution where Islamic or Marxist/Maoist dictatorships.
Unfortunately the NZ media will just print the story as it has been provided to them by the left and aid to the misinformation feed to the general unthinking public.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I think VI is getting pretty literal here .. John Keys is our PM and is talking for us, agree with him or not .. Clark and indeed all previous PM’s did the same .. so when he mentioned the 9 years, he was talking about the 9 years of the labour govt .. he himself did not need to be in the country for his statement to be true??
Light Bulbs/showers for instance .. they (Labour/Greens) wanted the old bulbs banned and shower heads to be confined to the dribblers .. no choices were really available
Food .. no we were not told what we could eat but again, we (our children are part of we) had a huge amount of food and drink banned from schools??
not sure what you mean about what we can do or think .. I’m pretty sure labour MP’s were told what to say and do but there you go.
It’s a pity you dislike JK (can I call him that) so much in such a short time, I took a few years before I took a serious disliking to Clark but there you go.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
“took a few years before I took a serious disliking to Clark..”
Sorry jabba, but that I disagree with you. This is why:
Clark has been an unrepentant socialist all her life and, while in government, she was always bound to carry out a platform based on the elusive concept of “social justice” and redistribution of wealth. The execution of such policies took nine years and impoverished New Zealand.
On the other hand, Key was supposedly elected to help us to move away from “nanny statism” and political correctness, while relying on freedom and individual responsiblity, the alleged principles of the National Party he leads.
Almost a year later, and taking into account the severe economic crisis, Key is yet to show any intention to change New Zealand’s course. His government seems to be flying on automatic pilot on the same path established by its socialist predecessor.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
jabba – you’re right! I was listening to what he said, not what he meant .
D’oh!
When John Key says, ‘I’, he means ‘we, the country’.
And you’ve shown me, for example, that because ‘Labour/Greens’ wanted energy efficient bulbs and ‘energy smart’ shower heads, John Key can say how offended he is that he had to install them!
What clarity you have provided for me!
I’ll be very careful in the future not to believe what Keys says. I’ll wait instead for someone like your good self to explain to me what he meant .
October 17th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I almost forgot – it’s my Mum’s birthday today, almost to the hour, 90 odd years ago (you know, give or take) she took her first breath. I always give her a bell. She’s a bit removed from the hustle and bustle these days, of course, so landlines or even mobile networks don’t work where she is. It takes a bit of concentration so I closed my eyes and thought hard. Soon, the receptionist answered with a low key drawl, “Morning Luc.”
Don’t you just hate that caller ID business? I replied cheerily, “Morning God, how is it in the land of the good today?”
“Just fine, Luc, just fine. How’s it on the other side?”
“Ah well, God, you know, between us the question of what’s good and what’s bad seems to be disputed territory.”
“Ha ha, very droll, Luc. You know I’ve told you before Abraham didn’t get everything quite right that day, so it’s not my fault how things turned out in the Holy Land and beyond. My intentions were good.”
“C’mon, God, we’ve been down this road before, and it ended in a bantustan – no way out. Anyway…”
“I know, I know, it’s your Mum’s birthday. I’ll put her on. Bye bye.”
“Hi son, you’re looking well. And that’s a lovely granddaughter of mine I see sitting on your knee.”
“She is indeed Mum…” Mum interrupted.
“Now listen son, I’ve just talked to your sister so I know all the family goss but I gotta tell you, from where I’m sitting, things don’t look too good for you.”
“In what way, Mum?”
“That Hell place. We had a guided tour there the other day. Honestly, you should who’s there! It’s full of politicians and those so-called models and they’re into all sorts of drugs and rude parties…it just not nice!”
I chuckled. I guess the definition of nice is disputed territory, too.
“What about the crims, Mum?”
“They all come here. They repent and get forgiven.”
Huh! Sounds like the SST isn’t doing a very good job. Not even time in Purgatory!
Anyway, after a quick chat, we said our bye bye’s and then she handed me back to God.
“What do you want now, God,” I said with a degree of impatience. His refusal to take any personal responsibility just gets my goat – although it’s amazing there are any goats left after all those bloody sacrifices in the Bible.
“Luc, I just want you to know, if you come over to my side, there will always be a place here for you, beside your Mum.”
“C’mon God, you gotta make the first move here. God, tear down that wall!”
“Luc, there are some things even I can’t do. There are some tough cookies down there.”
“OK God, thanks for the offer anyway. Same time next year, OK? Bye now.”
“Byyyyeeeee…..
October 17th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
I’m now embarrassed to admit I was really glad Clark became PM (I also voted for MMP and what a mistake that was) but my interest in politics back then was very limited .. in a way, she was the person who ignited my interest but not in the way she would approve.
Key is very unlucky to get the PM’s job at such an appalling time. He is constrained in many ways to make changes he wants. There are too many dead losses in his “team” and I would suggest that some time early next year we will see a night of the long knives. So lets hope Manolo things do start moving in the way it needs to.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
VI
Give up on this as you are being obtuse and showing the same intelligence employed by the phool who suffers from obstupefy.
I do credit you with more savvy than that even allowing for you being a pink greenie.
You should instead direct your vitriol to Met & Russ for their appalling leadership.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Nice to see the open debate on the news from the Muslims in the UK protesting the dutch MP Wilder who was visiting.
Signs like “Islam will dominate the world” and “Sharia for the Netherlands”. And they wonder why he dislikes Islam.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
“Why is Scott Watson in prison for two murders he never committed?”
The dudes that done those kids in had dealt to a Ashburton teenager around the same time but Rob and Greg know that !!!! Oh that’s right we can’t arrest him eh filth!
You deserve what’ s coming NZ.
October 17th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
If I do not post 2moro you know the filth got me.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Southern Raider
Most of our media simply print the US based and biased feed, usually Reuters, often AP, but rarely or never, for example, Al Jazeera. But anyone who relies on a single source for news is, by definition, poorly informed anyway. Philu’s great mate, Garth George, is a great example of this.
Just to address a couple of your points briefly, so “the most moral army in the world” gave advance notice of the hail of lead and chemicals that was about to envelop them?
How does that ameliorate the crime of slaughtering civilians? Especially give the fact that Gaza’s borders were completely sealed i.e. nowhere to flee to, and even the few available havens, mosques, schools, hospitals, UN buildings, came under fire, usually at a time of maximum occupation.
You betray your prejudice and Islamophobia. I would be very happy to see Hamas examined for war crimes. It should happen, but can’t happen unless Israel presents itself too.
Of course Israel is in the gun for more criticism as they have a massive arsenal of state of the art weaponry and the civilian kill ratio was, what? about 100-1?
As regards the vote, only 13% of the 47 member UNHRC registered a negative vote. I haven’t caught up with the country breakdown, but I would guess that most are neighbours or former colonies of imperial powers. More to the point is who voted no. The imperial US and its client state, Israel, and the bullied and the bribed?
This http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22611 is a wonderful exposition by a British playwright on the apartheid wall. I should have included it in my post above. It neatly captures how the two antagonists have trapped themselves in an enclosed sphere of mutual hostility.
The Security Council will vote in favour of the report, but the US will veto any action. 14-1. Where is the moral authority for Israel in that stand off? Answer, there is none.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Why do you think what Donkey said is a lie Greenfly (10:17 am) seems more like he was summing up his feelings about the previous regime we had in power.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
“If I do not post 2moro you know the filth got me.”
One can only hope.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Say that to my face wimp!
Lets sort this out for once and all asap!! Name time and place!!!
Regards
Peter Burns.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
John Key’s statement about state interference in private lives was reported in NBR http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/key-not-ruling-out-entrenching-maori-seats-37217 and was a damn effective metaphor for the regulations pushed by Labour/Green about shower sizes, light bulbs and so on.
A lie is an untruth told with the deliberate intent of deceiving; John Key pointed out the nature of the socialist paradigm- to control all aspects of life- and every word was truth [a statement of fact that conforms to reality].
October 17th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Grant, as I understand it, regulations were mooted, but not passed as labour responded to the wishes of the people. As Hootten says (more or less), what we have now is still a nanny state, but in blue.
But, hell, who pays attention to electioneering talk these days?
October 17th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
I am waiting big blouse. NAME A FUCKING TIME AND PLACE !
October 17th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Luc, your “conversation with G-d” above indicates you don’t have a clue how He works. If you think He owes you anything, you need to do some more research. After all, if you’re going to reject Him, then you really should if you’re wise, know precisely what it is you’re rejecting.
I suggest you ask G-d to point you toward information. Amazingly, when you sincerely present G-d with a request for direction He will give you one. It may not be the one you want or the one you expect and it may not be convenient to your sense of timing, but He always comes through. Key is, sincerity.
Of course, if you’re just making a joke, then you should just forget all about it and resume your profoundly meaningless and trivial life.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
D4J
You don’t think that your anger management issues have any relation to your current predicament? Just by some slim chance? (he says timidly – God’s easy compared to this stuff!)
October 17th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Luc ; I am not angry I just want a face to face meeting with the oddity blogger big bruv.
Surely that is a reasonable request. I have enjoyed meeting several bloggers in person that post here. This will be no different.
I just want to know what is its problem with me?
October 17th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
reid, may I ask, why do you use a “-” instead of an “o”?
October 17th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Fair enough Dad.
(Phew, got out of that one alive
)
October 17th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Wow D4J!
And you say the cops pick on you for some reason?, do you think it might have a little bit to do with your temper?
October 17th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
It’s a convention adopted by some Jewish people Luc, to avoid writing a name of G-d, so as to avoid profaning it.
I’m not Jewish, I use it because I think it’s a good convention.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
goodness .. Mallard has posted that John Key lied to the house on RednotsoAlert .. his kids on the Std reminded him. Looks like JK is about to be dismissed then??
October 17th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Time and place please big blouse? I help cops you deranged coward. I show you proof when we catch up eh yellowman.
October 17th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
VI .. if John Key turns out as bad as you say then he could well be gone by lunchtime .. lets wait and see BUT remember that all, well most, PM’s get voted out at some stage. Remembr that the greatest Labour leader of all time time her arse kicked less than a year ago.
As I said above, Mallard has accused him of lying so .. look what happened to Dalziel
October 17th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Away from the trivia for a moment.
Scurry Mc Cully announces that the RWC will lose 30 million. Sneddon says oh yay (now the name Snedon seems to crop up a bit lately with things not so clever. Does the name Lab Tests and DHB have anything in common with that name?) Two Sned’s tarred with the same socialist brush it seems.
Bill (Double Dipton) announces that we are not going to let a minor detail of 39 million loss bother us at all.
Next statement he warns people not to indulge in property speculation! Apparently wage earners are supposed to be upset at seeing others make a quid. Oddly enough I had a conversation with one of those wage earners on Wednesday. About to sell the house he stole last year for somewhere to live and make a cool 100K. And I kid you not both he and she are really and truly hourly workers on basic wages. So I kinda think Bill had better watch what he does cause he will piss off those wage earners. Something Helen never did.
So it seems from his tV tonight that he is gonna attack those that want to help themselves. Fucking moron. Failed leader and about to become a more failed finance minister than the last useless communist rich prick.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Warming emperor suddenly naked
Andrew Bolt
Wednesday, October 14, 2009 at 12:03pm
The ice is indeed cracking – under the feet of warming alarmism in Britain.
First it was the BBC that at last dared to wonder:
What happened to global warming?…
For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures. And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise…
Now the Daily Mail asks the same question:
Whatever happened to global warming? How freezing temperatures are starting to shatter climate change theory
Some of the Mail’s figures are wrong (about the NASA record), but the bigger picture is that the news cycle is finally turning. Once journalists start courting sceptical scientists with even a fraction of the energy that the courted the believers, they’ll be surprised to find how many they find.
And more scientists will dare to be found, too. This is the like the moment in the Emperor’s New Clothes, in which the boy calls out: “But he’s naked.”
October 17th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Vik2
Good grief man calm down.
Nats have only been in control for less than a year.
Do not forget they took over a devasted economy riddled with lies and deceit with the onset of a world wide recession.
There is absolutely no instant fix and none should be expected.
Be gratified that the country has got a government with intregrity to lead us out with individual and collective financial security.
Imagine the chaos if the Lab gonerment had retained the power.
Before such negative comments, give them time to prove their ideals, ie in 2 years from now there will be another election.
Yeah?
October 17th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Vik 2
You posted before I sent my reply
Thats better, attack the green bast***ds. They are more deserving
October 17th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
pentwig
“There is absolutely no instant fix and none should be expected”
There may not be an instant fix, however, Neville Key should have at least STARTED to do something about it by now.
“Be gratified that the country has got a government with integrity to lead us out with individual and collective financial security.”
What a crock of shit, we have a spineless government who have done NOTHING at all to “lead us” anywhere other than the same path trod by Labour.
“Imagine the chaos if the Lab government had retained the power.”
What chaos?, things would be almost exactly as they are now, cancelled tax cuts, nothing done about the legions of bludgers and a govt that continues to spend money we DO NOT fucking well have.
“Before such negative comments, give them time to prove their ideals, ie in 2 years from now there will be another election.”
We do not have that luxury, and anyway, Neville Key and Idiot English will simply continue to do what they have already done which is NOTHING.
Look, nobody is happier than I am at the demise of Klark, however, most of us were conned into voting for change and a new direction, to date we have not seen any change and the direction has not altered course at all.
Stop being a cheer leader for Neville Key and start asking the hard questions, the longer this fool (and English) stay in power the longer and harder the recovery is going to be.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Hell BB
They took over an absolute economic disaster. Full of lies and deceit (ACC, Health, and other unfunded anomilies) but you expect instant remedies!
Give the pills time to work and have some faith for goodness sakes. Trust the doctor buddy.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
ACC is still bust? Socialism still works!
October 17th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
jabba and grant
I’d cite this story
http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2009/10/17/key-lies-in-the-house/
to support my contention that Key tells lies but I expect you’d dissect it to the point that you’d argue that he was just speaking metaphorically and not lying at all.
I believe he lies casually and often.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
pentwig
Where did I say I was expecting instant remedies?
I want a government and a LEADER who is brave enough to tell the truth, sure, he is happy to break the promises he made to middle NZ (the same middle NZ who have been royally screwed by Klark and Kullen) but he has done nothing to rid us of our dependence on the government as a way of curing all of our ills, in short, I want a PM who is going to make a start on fixing up the mess left by Labour, so far he has not done a thing other than continue business as normal.
Every month these two idiots stay in power we fall deeper into debt, I am not prepared to let that pass without trying to do something about it, I am not going to let National party cheer leaders spin it as a good thing, Key and English are a joke, the sooner they go the better.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
So big bruv
is Goff the answer?
And when are you meeting D4J?
Can we watch?
October 17th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Greenfly
I do not remember you being so full of faux outrage when Bradford, Locke, Norman, Klark or Kullen told porkies, so why start now?
Of course Key lies, so do the other one hundred odd MP’s, it is called politics.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Luc
There is only one man in the house who can and should be in charge of getting us out of the poo, he has done it once and can do it again.
Failing that, I do have a lot of time for Crusher Collins, unlike Neville she seems to know what a real National government should be all about.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Bruv – I appreciate your honesty. I knew he did!
I’m not outraged, faux or otherwise, just asking how others felt about a PM who tells lies.
Here’s something that will cheer you Bruv – Heather’s column title (though I suppose you’ve read it already)
Heather Roy’s Diary: Return Of The Nanny State
Goodness!
October 17th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
I haven’t caught up with the country breakdown,
Marxist third world shitholes that need to be milked dry for anything they have.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Digression…. It’s pissing down again here in Wellington. Was driving at 5:30 when the last downpour happened. I could have kayaked most of the way down the hill – the road was completely awash and running like rapids. I thought it only rained this hard in Auckland!
October 17th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Greenfly
If you are not “outraged” then why mention it, or have you reverted to juvenile trolling once again?
Kirk, Rowling, Muldoon, Lange, Palmer, Moore, Klark and Key have all told lies and you know it.
If you are going to play the morally superior card then perhaps you would do well to go and clean your own house first, because as we all know, when it comes to bullshitting MP’s the Greens win hands down.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Bruv – morally superior? Hardly. I’ve not mentioned any other parties or politicians at all , other than Helen Clark and only to mention her painting-signing. I was, however, making the point that I believe Prime Ministers should tell the truth to the public. I didn’t embroil any lesser politicians at all. I wanted to know how supporters of Key felt about lying. You don’t think mine was a fair question? Again, my feeling is that Key lies casually and often.
[DPF: Boy was reversing that ban a big mistake. Once a troll, always a troll. 13 posts in one thread all just calling someone a liar is a prime example of trolling. And he should look up the definition of hyperbole one day]
October 17th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
one of his recent just-made-that-up exercises..
was where in defence of his nanny-stating of cough-pills..
he said that the ban ‘would stop ‘p’-crazed addicts turning up on law abiding citizens’ doorsteps..’
that his banning of cough-pills would end this crime-wave..
now..i’ve been doing that news aggregator thing whoar for a while now..
and i follow the news..(some could say obsessively..)
and i cannot recall one story of this nature..
(and i am sure it wd have made the news..had this happened..eh..?..)
so..it would be good if mr key could substantiate his ”p’-crazed addicts at punters’ doors claim..eh..?
and show to us that he didn’t just ‘make it all up’..
eh..?
clark was very careful to be not caught out lying..
key seems far more careless/less quick on his feet..
..and any credibility will vanish if such a casual attitude to the truth/accuracy continues..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 17th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
So what was the upshot of the VSM vote at Victoria. Was it just ignored by the Executiveof the VUWSA unconstitutionally ?
October 17th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
hey reid
um, do you think God has got something against being called God?
I mean, what about:
1. “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Let’s just ignore for the moment that the stuff about Egypt is fantasy, fiction, ie did not happen.
So, ignoring that, if God calls Himself God, why don’t you?
October 17th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
They lie it’s called politics BB
So there’s no one with integrity in the whole house?
October 17th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Yeah, odd that its a “jewish convention” whereas the hebrew word for god is…?
Gotta love god though, because if you don’t, he does a Weatherston on you.
October 17th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
BB
What stab us 219 times and jump on our grave before we’ve woken up in the morning and eaten hot gravel and then to go work 27 hrs at the mill and pay the mill owner to employ you!
oops sorry wrong film.
Wasn’t it the Prince of Egypt or something?
October 17th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
yeah, that’s god for you
October 17th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Big Bruv
I do agree with your sentiments but there is a bigger picture.
The recession is costing us $m400 a week to lessen the impact on us all by keeping as many possible employed. How this works I do not know, but this government I do trust.
You would expect the economic audit pre election to be truthful and realistic after all this is what both major parties base their election strategy on. It is obvious that Labour did not expect to lose the elections because the financial statements were falsified. An unexpected nasty surprise for National.
I prefer to wait for BE’s second budget before being too critical of the financial side.
However I believe Key made a mistake over the smacking bill. He also made a mistake giving Cullen, a now proven deceiver, employment. It is also unfortunate that he allowed the opposition to endeavour to embarrass BE without hitting back. Anybody with any backbone does not let the second punch hit them.
I am also not too sure if ACT has the complete answer either.
October 18th, 2009 at 12:16 am
if ACT is the answer…well, you know the rest.
October 18th, 2009 at 12:46 am
“um, do you think God has got something against being called God?”
Um, I don’t know.
The beauty of worshipping G-d is that one does so under the terms one understands is appropriate. A worship in a field is as acceptable to G-d as one in Westminster Abbey, for example.
One who worships G-d is not answerable to what man thinks is acceptable but to what that man understands that G-d would think is acceptable. And since G-d has designed man to have free will, that means that a man has to answer that question for himself.
One of my personal answers not commonly used amongst my Christian brethren is that convention I choose to use.
October 18th, 2009 at 7:48 am
“if ACT is the answer…”
Haha how could ACT do anything other than blow hot air like the coward of the county big blouse.
Can’t wait until we post under REAL names eh big blouse. What a sick joke you are.
Regards
Peter Burns
October 18th, 2009 at 8:07 am
jesusonajetski peter, get some counselling for your anger. Its only a blog, not real life.
If this is what religion does to a person, glad I ducked the religion gene.’
October 18th, 2009 at 8:13 am
I am not angry, only a blog, yeah right, real life is much simpler than blogging because you deal with REAL people not keyboard cowards. How is fugley these days or are you big blouse?
October 18th, 2009 at 8:25 am
come on Peter, we all know that’s not your real name, we all know you’re really Beelzebub.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Tell you what, after reading the moronic dribble from the idiot here, the chance of me ever voting Labour again just left the realms of this lifetime, what a sad fucked up person. No semblance of debate or discussion, just more of the shite that the left spat for 9 years that made me vote National/conservative for the first time in my life. At a time when I might have been a little disillusioned with the Nats VI turns up and reminds me what a pathetic, sad, fucked up group of people those on the left seem to be. Cheers.