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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619551</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy
www.narth.org

a friend is an analyst and accesses their professional entry options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy<br />
<a href="http://www.narth.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.narth.org</a></p>
<p>a friend is an analyst and accesses their professional entry options.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619460</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;take your pills&quot; crack, which Mallard of course did NOT sayis about an original as Smith&#039;s favourite line&quot; Get a life&quot;.

Mallard&#039;s insults are at least original.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;take your pills&#8221; crack, which Mallard of course did NOT sayis about an original as Smith&#8217;s favourite line&#8221; Get a life&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mallard&#8217;s insults are at least original.</p>
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		<title>By: cubit</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619370</link>
		<dc:creator>cubit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lockwood Smith is showing a great deal of restraint deling with Trev in the house at the moment. However, I think he is letting letting him go a little bit further yet and then I think the ever smiling speaker just may become a smiling assasin. Trev does not understand the first law of holes. When in one and you want to get out, stop digging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lockwood Smith is showing a great deal of restraint deling with Trev in the house at the moment. However, I think he is letting letting him go a little bit further yet and then I think the ever smiling speaker just may become a smiling assasin. Trev does not understand the first law of holes. When in one and you want to get out, stop digging.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619355</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike NZ, well most of the studies (in fact almost all) have been done on homosexual men... 

It is interesting you bring up the APA because I hadn&#039;t heard what you imply and a few of the reports I read were by them... I&#039;ve also read a few reports by the AMA mainly studying identical male twins and their sexuality (if one was gay 70% chance the other was) showing a genetic link to homosexuality... Also the link between having older brothers and being a homosexual male increases with every older brother you have, the study showed as a woman has male children her body produces less antibodies realising it is not a threat and in response the developing male produces less testosterone...

I read quite widely from a few (curiously) American organisations, it was about 2 years ago when my brother came out I decided I was going to look into all of this so I can&#039;t really remember the links off the top of my head, there were plenty of other interesting tidbits of information that really changed my mind about whether it is choice or not, I am now convinced it&#039;s not...

But to be truthful even if it is, it is someone&#039;s choice as far as I&#039;m concerned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike NZ, well most of the studies (in fact almost all) have been done on homosexual men&#8230; </p>
<p>It is interesting you bring up the APA because I hadn&#8217;t heard what you imply and a few of the reports I read were by them&#8230; I&#8217;ve also read a few reports by the AMA mainly studying identical male twins and their sexuality (if one was gay 70% chance the other was) showing a genetic link to homosexuality&#8230; Also the link between having older brothers and being a homosexual male increases with every older brother you have, the study showed as a woman has male children her body produces less antibodies realising it is not a threat and in response the developing male produces less testosterone&#8230;</p>
<p>I read quite widely from a few (curiously) American organisations, it was about 2 years ago when my brother came out I decided I was going to look into all of this so I can&#8217;t really remember the links off the top of my head, there were plenty of other interesting tidbits of information that really changed my mind about whether it is choice or not, I am now convinced it&#8217;s not&#8230;</p>
<p>But to be truthful even if it is, it is someone&#8217;s choice as far as I&#8217;m concerned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619351</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul and Brian
Are there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul and Brian<br />
Are there?</p>
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		<title>By: jabba</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619302</link>
		<dc:creator>jabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not keen on gay bashing (Chris Cater an exception .. oh, I saw him in the house today, great tan) mainly because I am actually a lesbian in a mans body.
Great to see so many others having comments deleted or even being yellow and red carded .. I recently got a &quot;once more and you will confined to Kiwibog forever&quot; line. Felt honoured actually and I had said sod all.
David .. how about a open offer to Trev to front up .. dedicate a full post for him. I would suggest that we would crack the 200 club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not keen on gay bashing (Chris Cater an exception .. oh, I saw him in the house today, great tan) mainly because I am actually a lesbian in a mans body.<br />
Great to see so many others having comments deleted or even being yellow and red carded .. I recently got a &#8220;once more and you will confined to Kiwibog forever&#8221; line. Felt honoured actually and I had said sod all.<br />
David .. how about a open offer to Trev to front up .. dedicate a full post for him. I would suggest that we would crack the 200 club.</p>
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		<title>By: Nefarious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nefarious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I often wonder about those who gay bash, just how wide a stance do they take.&quot;

The stance really depends on the implement being used for said bashing.  Anything with a bit of weight behind it is going to require a good solid base to swing from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I often wonder about those who gay bash, just how wide a stance do they take.&#8221;</p>
<p>The stance really depends on the implement being used for said bashing.  Anything with a bit of weight behind it is going to require a good solid base to swing from.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often wonder about those who gay bash, just how wide a stance do they take.
It seems that those who go on about gays have questions about their own sexuality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often wonder about those who gay bash, just how wide a stance do they take.<br />
It seems that those who go on about gays have questions about their own sexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>National has some unfinished business with Mallard, maybe Whaleoil has something let us wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>National has some unfinished business with Mallard, maybe Whaleoil has something let us wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619239</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t impressed at all with Smiths whinning how it was tough making a simple announcement. What a cry baby. If that&#039;s as tough as it gets on his salary he should try owning a company and having to lay off many loyal longterm staff. 
But that&#039;s what happens at the top.

As for his work load. HMMM well he doesn&#039;t need to do anything with the ETS. Zilch, nada, nothing. We don&#039;t need nor want another tax collection to give to some Russian zillionaire.
As fthe RMA, well he had 9 loooong years to figure out what to change and he wimped out on that as well.
Doesn&#039;t earn nor deserve his Salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t impressed at all with Smiths whinning how it was tough making a simple announcement. What a cry baby. If that&#8217;s as tough as it gets on his salary he should try owning a company and having to lay off many loyal longterm staff.<br />
But that&#8217;s what happens at the top.</p>
<p>As for his work load. HMMM well he doesn&#8217;t need to do anything with the ETS. Zilch, nada, nothing. We don&#8217;t need nor want another tax collection to give to some Russian zillionaire.<br />
As fthe RMA, well he had 9 loooong years to figure out what to change and he wimped out on that as well.<br />
Doesn&#8217;t earn nor deserve his Salary.</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619233</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB makes a fir point. The Nats. are not winners and don&#039;t act like winners. Winners take all and they don&#039;t appear to have enough supporters of caliber that they have the balls to boot out the lefties from all their posts supported by the govt tit.
Lefties in place everywhere and its past time many of them were sent packing.

As for Smiths posturing about how tough the decisions were today, well that&#039;s what people in high places get paid for., making tough decisions and doing the tough stuff, so message is stop being a cry baby and looking for sympathy. Try having to lay off many staff, lots of whom have worked for you for years. Now that&#039;s tough.
As for workload. He doesn&#039;t need to do anything about the ETS . Not a thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB makes a fir point. The Nats. are not winners and don&#8217;t act like winners. Winners take all and they don&#8217;t appear to have enough supporters of caliber that they have the balls to boot out the lefties from all their posts supported by the govt tit.<br />
Lefties in place everywhere and its past time many of them were sent packing.</p>
<p>As for Smiths posturing about how tough the decisions were today, well that&#8217;s what people in high places get paid for., making tough decisions and doing the tough stuff, so message is stop being a cry baby and looking for sympathy. Try having to lay off many staff, lots of whom have worked for you for years. Now that&#8217;s tough.<br />
As for workload. He doesn&#8217;t need to do anything about the ETS . Not a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: paul henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian there are more than three positions.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When the design changes (by evolution perhaps?) then I would be more receptive to your position.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Would that be missionary, cowboy or doggie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When the design changes (by evolution perhaps?) then I would be more receptive to your position.</p></blockquote>
<p>Would that be missionary, cowboy or doggie?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619195</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy
I too take offense at gay bashing and also the homophobic bashing by the GBLT lobby too.

Genetic, show me your sources? Sadly it remains your wish for it haven&#039;t been proven by science as you well know.
Sexuality is both hard wired and software empowered.
Before the GBLT lobby overpowered the APA it was considered a choice that was not correct or the default design.

I look at the design of humans and that shows me what would be the default sexuality however much people get &quot;angry/offended&quot; with me.
When the design changes (by evolution perhaps?) then I would be more receptive to your position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy<br />
I too take offense at gay bashing and also the homophobic bashing by the GBLT lobby too.</p>
<p>Genetic, show me your sources? Sadly it remains your wish for it haven&#8217;t been proven by science as you well know.<br />
Sexuality is both hard wired and software empowered.<br />
Before the GBLT lobby overpowered the APA it was considered a choice that was not correct or the default design.</p>
<p>I look at the design of humans and that shows me what would be the default sexuality however much people get &#8220;angry/offended&#8221; with me.<br />
When the design changes (by evolution perhaps?) then I would be more receptive to your position.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619190</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frog:

It&#039;s all very well to say &quot;if you dish it out, you&#039;ve got to be able to take it back&quot;, but I don&#039;t think its dirty pool to point out that while I&#039;ve been observing politics there have been a number of Labour MPs with, shall we say, stress-related mental health or alcohol dependency issues.  And Mallard would be the first to cry &quot;point of order&quot; -- and rightly so --, if anyone on the Government side interjected &quot;take your pills&quot; or &quot;who had a liquid lunch&quot;.  Or, dare I say it, &quot;Calm down, Trevor, Helen gave Phil the taser before she left!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frog:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all very well to say &#8220;if you dish it out, you&#8217;ve got to be able to take it back&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t think its dirty pool to point out that while I&#8217;ve been observing politics there have been a number of Labour MPs with, shall we say, stress-related mental health or alcohol dependency issues.  And Mallard would be the first to cry &#8220;point of order&#8221; &#8212; and rightly so &#8211;, if anyone on the Government side interjected &#8220;take your pills&#8221; or &#8220;who had a liquid lunch&#8221;.  Or, dare I say it, &#8220;Calm down, Trevor, Helen gave Phil the taser before she left!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this and wonder how long it will stay there.
Democratic Labour my arse.

&quot;So Trevor you deleted some of DPF&#039;s comment highlighting your nastiness towards Nick Smith.
Play the issue not the man you say when anyone brings up your personal issues.
How about some integrity from yourself on this?
Who had ACC for 9yrs lads??

You forget Labour were chucked out because of two things, nanny state arrogance towards us and your spending of our money and viciousness towards people who oppose you&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this and wonder how long it will stay there.<br />
Democratic Labour my arse.</p>
<p>&#8220;So Trevor you deleted some of DPF&#8217;s comment highlighting your nastiness towards Nick Smith.<br />
Play the issue not the man you say when anyone brings up your personal issues.<br />
How about some integrity from yourself on this?<br />
Who had ACC for 9yrs lads??</p>
<p>You forget Labour were chucked out because of two things, nanny state arrogance towards us and your spending of our money and viciousness towards people who oppose you&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally take offense at any gay bashing... The evidence it is genetic and hormonal is quite compelling, let alone the freedom anyone should have over their own sexuality and marriage arrangements stemming from that sexuality...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally take offense at any gay bashing&#8230; The evidence it is genetic and hormonal is quite compelling, let alone the freedom anyone should have over their own sexuality and marriage arrangements stemming from that sexuality&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: johnbt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619169</link>
		<dc:creator>johnbt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commented on Red Alert that a Labour minister had lied to me and that a certain ginga had lost a safe Labour seat because he ignored the voters. Trevor banned me for being obscene.  What a tosser.

[DPF: Potentially defamatory stuff deleted]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented on Red Alert that a Labour minister had lied to me and that a certain ginga had lost a safe Labour seat because he ignored the voters. Trevor banned me for being obscene.  What a tosser.</p>
<p>[DPF: Potentially defamatory stuff deleted]</p>
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		<title>By: georgedarroch</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619157</link>
		<dc:creator>georgedarroch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m disgusted by personal attacks by politicians, and Mallard does it regularly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disgusted by personal attacks by politicians, and Mallard does it regularly.</p>
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		<title>By: 3-coil</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/gutter_politics.html#comment-619135</link>
		<dc:creator>3-coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trev has to take his pills everyday so he can perform too - Trev can&#039;t do without his Viagra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trev has to take his pills everyday so he can perform too &#8211; Trev can&#8217;t do without his Viagra.</p>
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