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	<title>Comments on: Hooton on ACC</title>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620995</link>
		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1990 - BNZ and a hidden bankrupt country.  2005 - use taxpayer money to deliberately overspend in the last week of one of the tightest elections ever.  2008 - hide the fact that ACC is broke.  

Can Labour ever be trusted with the Treasury benches again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1990 &#8211; BNZ and a hidden bankrupt country.  2005 &#8211; use taxpayer money to deliberately overspend in the last week of one of the tightest elections ever.  2008 &#8211; hide the fact that ACC is broke.  </p>
<p>Can Labour ever be trusted with the Treasury benches again?</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Heine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And well done to National for showing Cullen who was boss and punishing him accordingly for the crime at hand!!

Err right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And well done to National for showing Cullen who was boss and punishing him accordingly for the crime at hand!!</p>
<p>Err right?</p>
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		<title>By: trout</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620291</link>
		<dc:creator>trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inky, I may be able to help you in your confusion.   The liabilities of the ACC are largely contingent liabilities or the&#039;tail&#039; as it is sometimes referred to.   If a person has a motorbike accident today and becomes a paraplegic then ACC is liable for the future cost of this accident.  To fully fund the liability, money required to pay for his/her ongoing treatment and living expenses into the future needs to be put aside.   This seems to be eminently sensible in that it is unreasonable to expect levy payers in the future to pay for accidents occurring today.  If it were a &#039;pay as you go&#039; scheme (which even the labour party recognize is unsustainable) the liabilities would multiply and levies would hit the roof.  Ideally in any given year the income should exceed the payouts by enough to cover the forward costs of that year&#039;s accidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inky, I may be able to help you in your confusion.   The liabilities of the ACC are largely contingent liabilities or the&#8217;tail&#8217; as it is sometimes referred to.   If a person has a motorbike accident today and becomes a paraplegic then ACC is liable for the future cost of this accident.  To fully fund the liability, money required to pay for his/her ongoing treatment and living expenses into the future needs to be put aside.   This seems to be eminently sensible in that it is unreasonable to expect levy payers in the future to pay for accidents occurring today.  If it were a &#8216;pay as you go&#8217; scheme (which even the labour party recognize is unsustainable) the liabilities would multiply and levies would hit the roof.  Ideally in any given year the income should exceed the payouts by enough to cover the forward costs of that year&#8217;s accidents.</p>
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		<title>By: sk1</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620282</link>
		<dc:creator>sk1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The debate about end &#039;08 is a complete distraction. You mean, with every global finance firm on the edge, where it was not clear where one could keep your capital, ACC was in financial difficulties? No shit, where were you clowns living after Lehman collapsed? And you talk of invoking the public finance act. What partisan rubbish!

There is no analog with HIH. Rodney Adler was a crook, who was a shithouse investor. He ran it into the ground trying to prove something to his father. A Jimmy Packer redux.

Now to issues of pragmatic governance. ACC is a systemically important, too big to fail, insurer. If it did an AIG and blew its capital on CDO&#039;s and CDS&#039;s the NZ taxpayer would have to bail it out, whether privatised or not. It is clear that it&#039;s mandate has spread too far and should be trimmed. But it also clear that a capital injection of NZGB&#039;s would allow it to become fully funded by 2019, and the only cost is interest. Moreover its long run investment returns are above the long run NZGB rate, so the gov&#039;t may make money from the capital injection. Hooten has no clue what he is talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The debate about end &#8217;08 is a complete distraction. You mean, with every global finance firm on the edge, where it was not clear where one could keep your capital, ACC was in financial difficulties? No shit, where were you clowns living after Lehman collapsed? And you talk of invoking the public finance act. What partisan rubbish!</p>
<p>There is no analog with HIH. Rodney Adler was a crook, who was a shithouse investor. He ran it into the ground trying to prove something to his father. A Jimmy Packer redux.</p>
<p>Now to issues of pragmatic governance. ACC is a systemically important, too big to fail, insurer. If it did an AIG and blew its capital on CDO&#8217;s and CDS&#8217;s the NZ taxpayer would have to bail it out, whether privatised or not. It is clear that it&#8217;s mandate has spread too far and should be trimmed. But it also clear that a capital injection of NZGB&#8217;s would allow it to become fully funded by 2019, and the only cost is interest. Moreover its long run investment returns are above the long run NZGB rate, so the gov&#8217;t may make money from the capital injection. Hooten has no clue what he is talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620281</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burt thanks, quite agree with you then.

Since you and others are absolutely correct, Liarbore did breach it and there has been no penalty, there probably needs to be something entrenched in the constitution to take prosecution out of the hands of the politicians otherwise what&#039;s the point in having such a piece of worthless crap on the books?

Unfortunately lacking someone in power like a Geoffrey Palmer and Finlayson is a long way from him, for such a thing to arise we&#039;re all totally reliant on the utterly ignorant reef-fish and the utterly ignorant MSM to rise up against the utterly resistant politicians.

Come to think of it it&#039;s quite telling isn&#039;t it that the current crop have absolutely no-one that even looks a vaguely likely candidate to perform such a public service. I hope some incumbent politicians read this and hang their fucking useless heads in shame you pricks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burt thanks, quite agree with you then.</p>
<p>Since you and others are absolutely correct, Liarbore did breach it and there has been no penalty, there probably needs to be something entrenched in the constitution to take prosecution out of the hands of the politicians otherwise what&#8217;s the point in having such a piece of worthless crap on the books?</p>
<p>Unfortunately lacking someone in power like a Geoffrey Palmer and Finlayson is a long way from him, for such a thing to arise we&#8217;re all totally reliant on the utterly ignorant reef-fish and the utterly ignorant MSM to rise up against the utterly resistant politicians.</p>
<p>Come to think of it it&#8217;s quite telling isn&#8217;t it that the current crop have absolutely no-one that even looks a vaguely likely candidate to perform such a public service. I hope some incumbent politicians read this and hang their fucking useless heads in shame you pricks.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
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		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reid

Public Finance Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reid</p>
<p>Public Finance Act.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620273</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>getstaffed, thanks.

burt, sorry, PFA?

Manolo, I understand why you might think that but he needs to be a realist.

redqueen, an outstanding idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>getstaffed, thanks.</p>
<p>burt, sorry, PFA?</p>
<p>Manolo, I understand why you might think that but he needs to be a realist.</p>
<p>redqueen, an outstanding idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620271</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Key is an odd mix of Socrates and Machiavelli&quot;

Not at all.  Key is much closer to a mix of Chamberlain and Quisling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Key is an odd mix of Socrates and Machiavelli&#8221;</p>
<p>Not at all.  Key is much closer to a mix of Chamberlain and Quisling.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620268</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reid

The PFA only came into existence to ensure that this sort of thing didn&#039;t happen again and then what happened when Labour did it again - NOTHING other than Cullen got rewarded with a plum job to give him a more comfortable retirement. 

It&#039;s a bit late for hoping that Labour don&#039;t repeat that MO - they already have !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reid</p>
<p>The PFA only came into existence to ensure that this sort of thing didn&#8217;t happen again and then what happened when Labour did it again &#8211; NOTHING other than Cullen got rewarded with a plum job to give him a more comfortable retirement. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit late for hoping that Labour don&#8217;t repeat that MO &#8211; they already have !</p>
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		<title>By: redqueen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620266</link>
		<dc:creator>redqueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think we should introduce a &#039;Labour Supplementary Rate&#039; where if you voted for Labour since 1999 you should pay an additional tax (or, conversely, have your benefits docked by the equivalent). If we rated this at, say, 1% per election you could have an additional 4% of income tax thrown onto your bill, which could be used to pay for the mess Labour left us in (the tax would equally apply to the Greens). This way, instead of everyone paying for this ACC mess, only those who inflicted it upon us would be burdened. That&#039;d be fair and make people understand their are consequences for trying to bugger the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think we should introduce a &#8216;Labour Supplementary Rate&#8217; where if you voted for Labour since 1999 you should pay an additional tax (or, conversely, have your benefits docked by the equivalent). If we rated this at, say, 1% per election you could have an additional 4% of income tax thrown onto your bill, which could be used to pay for the mess Labour left us in (the tax would equally apply to the Greens). This way, instead of everyone paying for this ACC mess, only those who inflicted it upon us would be burdened. That&#8217;d be fair and make people understand their are consequences for trying to bugger the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620265</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Key is an odd mix of Socrates and Machiavelli&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s brilliant! Yes - that&#039;s excatly what he&#039;s like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Key is an odd mix of Socrates and Machiavelli</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s brilliant! Yes &#8211; that&#8217;s excatly what he&#8217;s like.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620262</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Audacity is the nicest word for it. I still think it is a pity the Government did not demand prosecutions for the breach of the Public Finance Act!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah well I agree but the real question is &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; is Key not interested in that and in other obviously popular and hot issues like repealing anti-smacking?

The close observer is really left wondering if some above aren&#039;t right when they say it&#039;s because he doesn&#039;t want to set a precedent because then what would happen to him if he encouraged prosecution of his former political opponents.

Key is an odd mix of Socrates and Machiavelli - remarkably astute, apparently benevolent and scheming all the time. I really hope he is mindful of the reason he was elected. It&#039;s not about the politicians and their interests, it&#039;s about the people and our interests. One of which is to ensure that Liarbore, as one said above, don&#039;t repeat this same modus operandi yet again, next time they&#039;re in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Audacity is the nicest word for it. I still think it is a pity the Government did not demand prosecutions for the breach of the Public Finance Act!</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah well I agree but the real question is <i>why</i> is Key not interested in that and in other obviously popular and hot issues like repealing anti-smacking?</p>
<p>The close observer is really left wondering if some above aren&#8217;t right when they say it&#8217;s because he doesn&#8217;t want to set a precedent because then what would happen to him if he encouraged prosecution of his former political opponents.</p>
<p>Key is an odd mix of Socrates and Machiavelli &#8211; remarkably astute, apparently benevolent and scheming all the time. I really hope he is mindful of the reason he was elected. It&#8217;s not about the politicians and their interests, it&#8217;s about the people and our interests. One of which is to ensure that Liarbore, as one said above, don&#8217;t repeat this same modus operandi yet again, next time they&#8217;re in power.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620259</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CharlieBrown  - I should have thought they they were individual citizens. Their employment status (or bridge club memberships, affiliations etc) should have no bearing on any complaint process. One of our legal beagles and no doubt elaborate. That said, Treasury&#039;s &lt;i&gt;mea cupla&lt;/i&gt; back in March may well have been designed to prevent this type of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CharlieBrown  &#8211; I should have thought they they were individual citizens. Their employment status (or bridge club memberships, affiliations etc) should have no bearing on any complaint process. One of our legal beagles and no doubt elaborate. That said, Treasury&#8217;s <i>mea cupla</i> back in March may well have been designed to prevent this type of action.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620258</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viking2

I agree, the problem with ACC levies is that most people (people who don&#039;t handle the payments of payroll etc) have no idea how much they are actually paying in ACC levies.  I think if most people knew exactly where all the tentacles of collection were and how much they were clawing from their back pockets they might actually understand why some people don&#039;t share their love of the one size fits all monopoly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viking2</p>
<p>I agree, the problem with ACC levies is that most people (people who don&#8217;t handle the payments of payroll etc) have no idea how much they are actually paying in ACC levies.  I think if most people knew exactly where all the tentacles of collection were and how much they were clawing from their back pockets they might actually understand why some people don&#8217;t share their love of the one size fits all monopoly.</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620257</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Digressing slightly, I have often thought that the ACC levies imposed upon paye earners should be shown separately on wage slips much in the same way as kiwisaver and student loan repayements and WFF and other such things are.
I would even go so far as the have another known as unemployment fund to be used when one loses their job. No different than these toher s and we should also add health as a separate line. Only computer entries and can banked into a separate fund either Govt or self selected.

Way to go really if you want to protect those that work for a li. Those that don&#039;t earn don&#039;t get the privileges.ving</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digressing slightly, I have often thought that the ACC levies imposed upon paye earners should be shown separately on wage slips much in the same way as kiwisaver and student loan repayements and WFF and other such things are.<br />
I would even go so far as the have another known as unemployment fund to be used when one loses their job. No different than these toher s and we should also add health as a separate line. Only computer entries and can banked into a separate fund either Govt or self selected.</p>
<p>Way to go really if you want to protect those that work for a li. Those that don&#8217;t earn don&#8217;t get the privileges.ving</p>
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		<title>By: CharlieBrown</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620253</link>
		<dc:creator>CharlieBrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone tell me if its possible to lay a complaint at the police station against members of the old government for breaking the public finance act? Or is it not a ciminal matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone tell me if its possible to lay a complaint at the police station against members of the old government for breaking the public finance act? Or is it not a ciminal matter?</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620250</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said in the previous kiwiblog thread I linked to above

DPF

This is a prima facie case of breaching the public finance act. If there is no prosecution then please encourage National to repeal all penalty clauses in all acts that we expected to control and limit the powers of or behaviour of MP’s. It’s just a waste of public energy and emotion even worrying if they are or are not complying with any laws. Lets confirm that they are as blameless as they appear to be during election campaigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said in the previous kiwiblog thread I linked to above</p>
<p>DPF</p>
<p>This is a prima facie case of breaching the public finance act. If there is no prosecution then please encourage National to repeal all penalty clauses in all acts that we expected to control and limit the powers of or behaviour of MP’s. It’s just a waste of public energy and emotion even worrying if they are or are not complying with any laws. Lets confirm that they are as blameless as they appear to be during election campaigns.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620248</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Winter&gt;And, of course, to make the point very simply, HIH was a private sector operation. ACC is not, and as Michael Littlewood of the University of Auckland has been patiently pointing out for some time, does not need to operate on a fully-funded basis. There is no crisis.

So it would be illegal for a private insurer to run a multi-billion dollar pyramid scheme. But it isn&#039;t illegal for the government to run a multi-billion dollar pyramid scheme. So why not go for it so the inevitable collapse will be huge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Winter&gt;And, of course, to make the point very simply, HIH was a private sector operation. ACC is not, and as Michael Littlewood of the University of Auckland has been patiently pointing out for some time, does not need to operate on a fully-funded basis. There is no crisis.</p>
<p>So it would be illegal for a private insurer to run a multi-billion dollar pyramid scheme. But it isn&#8217;t illegal for the government to run a multi-billion dollar pyramid scheme. So why not go for it so the inevitable collapse will be huge?</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620238</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weizguy

This post by DPF &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/acc_shortfall_should_have_been_disclosed.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ACC shortfall should have been disclosed &lt;/a&gt; sems to be at odds with the link to scoop you provided.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Government has published the report by Michael Mills into the non disclosure of the $1.5 billion ACC funding shortfall in the statutory Pre-Election Fiscal Update.

The report finds that the shortfall should have been disclosed, &lt;b&gt;so in effect the requirements of the Public Finance Act were not met by the then Government.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Guess Treasure might have been trying to give National an excuse for being soft on crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weizguy</p>
<p>This post by DPF <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/03/acc_shortfall_should_have_been_disclosed.html" rel="nofollow">ACC shortfall should have been disclosed </a> sems to be at odds with the link to scoop you provided.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Government has published the report by Michael Mills into the non disclosure of the $1.5 billion ACC funding shortfall in the statutory Pre-Election Fiscal Update.</p>
<p>The report finds that the shortfall should have been disclosed, <b>so in effect the requirements of the Public Finance Act were not met by the then Government.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Guess Treasure might have been trying to give National an excuse for being soft on crime.</p>
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		<title>By: jabba</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/hooton_on_acc.html#comment-620233</link>
		<dc:creator>jabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didn&#039;t Cullen announce just before the election that they would have an announcement (November I think) if they won?  One can only guess what that would have been about.
Tim, I&#039;m 1 up on you here .. I banned myself from the Std .. never seen/heard so much crap in my life .. some need to be investigated by the SIS.
Also Tim, how do you get away with your comments on RednotsoAlert .. I get done for far less?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didn&#8217;t Cullen announce just before the election that they would have an announcement (November I think) if they won?  One can only guess what that would have been about.<br />
Tim, I&#8217;m 1 up on you here .. I banned myself from the Std .. never seen/heard so much crap in my life .. some need to be investigated by the SIS.<br />
Also Tim, how do you get away with your comments on RednotsoAlert .. I get done for far less?</p>
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