All of the once great European countries are now flooded with Muslims, and are circling the drain because of it.

If all the once great European countries didn’t allow immigration they would have dwindling populations and their economies would not just be circling the drain.

You fucks wanna take a journey, walk the streets of different lands, sit drink tea and have conversation with with people that don’t speek language as you. A great deal of the commenters here are totally culturally uneducated and insensitive.

The one thing I’ve come to believe from my rich experiances on this beatiful and diverse planet is that “the poorer the people the richer the culture(or people even)”

Some of the people on this page should keep there dam mouths shut. You are the people that will make the problems that you speek of. It angers me that i will have ot pay the price of you uninformed trouble making opinions.

Mark my words.

No doubt you cannot see how the same allegations you make against Islam can equally be made against us.

Why should I respect a culture in which only 20% of valid rape complaints result in a conviction?

Why should I respect a culture in which large segments deny evolution, deny climate change, and wish to return our education system to the 19th century?

Why should I respect a culture that slaughters animals cruelly in order to fulfill export demand (Halal killing)?

Why should I respect a culture that refuses to understand and respect others?

Billy, immigrants overwhelmingly exhibit a couple of characteristics: gratitude to their host country and motivation to contribute to the society of their host country.

If the host country displays prejudice, hostility and discrimination those characteristics understandably evaporate.

And this veneer of civilization? Civilization that has killed over a million Iraqis? Civilization that has killed over 20,000 Afghan civilians? Civilization that founded Stalin’s purges? The Holocaust? Hiroshima? Nagasaki?

Peace be upon you.

Mike, can you name a no-go Muslim area in the UK, or London?

My wife walked into one of these “no-go muslim area”‘s in London nearly 20 years ago! She can’t remember the name of the area but they were slaughtering chickens at the end of a cul-de-sac with distinctly unfriendly, obviously muslim people if their attire was anything to go by, doing the butchering & going about their business. She got out of their quickly.

Why do you say it’s an immature religion? It’s been around for nigh on 1500 years, it’s not the Mormonism or Scientology!! No, they will still be hostile to outsiders. It doesn’t matter how long you give them. The sentence of death on apostates is a pretty strong incentive not to leave their religion. Granted it is prevalent in many “backward” countries, but even Western influence cannot dampen islamic radicalism! The reasons are more then likely in the teachings of their major prophet who advocated spreading islam forcibly with the sword & killing Jews, Christians & heathens who refuse it.

The veneer of civilisation can be extremely thin, there’s no reason to expect Western values can change the savageness inherent in the islamic heart! Even with all the time in the world!

All of the once great European countries are now flooded with Muslims, and are circling the drain because of it. Not long before they will be the dominant voter base. Like Brian said in the very first post, it is only due to the relatively small numbers that we don’t have the same issues. Any surprise that the Aussies are now experiencing more and more terror related issues? Wake up New Zealand. We want people who think like us.

It’s a uniquely NZ naivety to think that we will not experience the same problems which other countries have had from Muslim minorities.

I don’t have anything against Islam in particular. I view it as much the same nonsense as other religions, except it’s immature. And it has a strangle-hold on some of the most backward cultures we have in the world.

I suggest we wait, say 500 years, until Islam (and the cultures under it) catch up with the rest of the world and then I think Muslim immigrants shouldn’t be a problem.

Luc
Your attitude is why Europe is nearly stuffed and there are no go areas now in UK, France, Denmark and Holland, which will grow in size and numbers as the Muslim community grows.
We in the West are corrupt and wicked and at some time they hope to have the numbers to have Sharia wherever they are. Until then they push for their culture to usurp the host in little but visible ways.
Ever notice whenever there are docos or opinion pieces they have women and kids prominent, yet a woman is worth half a 13yr old boy in a Sharia Court. Yet we are below her in value/credibility as Non-Muslims.
Ahmed down the corner shop is nice and friendly now but you see where the wind blows when Muslims are 15% here and I have no doubt you will be so understanding and accepting of their culture for themselves in their lives.

One simple question, Luc. Why?

Why should I respect a culture that doesn’t respect women?

Why should I respect a culture that that is anti-progress?

Why should I respect a culture that causes horrid pain and suffering in the way it slaughters beasts?

Why should I respect a culture that refuses to understand and respect mine?

I would address a word to Adam, just above. Adam, the problem is not any inherent intolerance or aggressiveness. I have discovered this truth after many, many years of dealing with, initially, indigenous Maori, then Pacific Island, Asian, Middle Eastern, African, South African and other immigrants: the truth is, we all have differences in our cultures, and we all immediately take umbrage when someone transgresses “our” unspoken rules, even though we obviously know they don’t know “our” rules.

It’s just the way we are.

And we have the advantage because we know our culture and they are the outsiders, so we must put in the hard yards to understand and respect theirs.

When I finally woke up and did that, I never had another problem.

I find that they are very intolerate and extremely aggressive when found wanting.

This in a company that can produce 18 different language speakers.

Just trouble brewing at mill in my opinion..

Faith means never having to look for answers.

I’ve said it before – we are both atheists, I just belive in one fewer god than you. when you understand why you reject all the other possible gods, then you will also understand why i reject your god. Why do you reject all the other possible gods?

Can you prove, through observation, hypothesis and experimentation the existence of your god and non-existence of all other gods?

billy, I don’t seek to do that. The fact I don’t, does not invalidate that truth. That’s why its called “faith.” You can’t see it, smell it, touch it and yet that doesn’t invalidate it. Look as a minuscule example for example, at the cities we’ve built since mankind’s civilisation emerged. Every single building that has ever been, was once nothing more than a conception in someone’s mind: i.e. scientifically improvable. Yet they came to exist in scientific reality and continue to exist. Something out of nothing, merely because someone had faith. billy, the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth is not different. Your lack of understanding however amazes me in one so astute.

Ah, the Karen Armstrong argument. Sorry,t doesn’t work.

Please elucidate. From my point of view, it’s pretty simple. No-one tells me what my relationship with the Creator is. Period. No-one has ever tried to, and no-one ever will. Just like the State doesn’t and can’t tell you what your relationship is with your own parents. I don’t understand how it could possibly be any different.

…the majority of the world’s moslems, they are still very much in the same developmental state as western societies of the 16th century….

So this is a generalised stereotypical supposition which I assume you lefties are against, or a known fact in which case, what’s the evidence?

Billy, glad you said “almost.” It’s a rather relevant qualifier. Since science is based on observation, hypothesis and experimentation, I make the simple observation that despite a plethora of scientific genius over centuries, in all that time no-one has made the slightest dent in understanding or even attempting to understand G-d. Not one, ever. Yet He persists, impervious, as the most influential figure in human history, throughout all of that time.

I said almost, as one can never be totally certain. But observation, hypothesis and experimentation have failed to find the slightest trace of god, therefore I conclude god does not exist,or at least, is highly improbable. Can you prove, through observation, hypothesis and experimentation the existence of your god and non-existence of all other gods?

As I said billy and have said many many times previously, it’s really really really important, that one distinguishes faith from mankind’s religious teachings.

Ah, the Karen Armstrong argument. Sorry,t doesn’t work.

So your answer billy seeks to explain the actions of 21st century Muslims by comparing them with a 16th century medieval mindset with no allowance given to the social and educational advances since that time? I hardly think that’s credible.

What you think doesn’t matter as much as reality. The social and educational advances of western social democracies has largely passed by the majority of the world’s moslems, they are still very much in the same developmental state as western societies of the 16th century.

As I said, where the bible was once permitted to be read only in Latin, funnily enough, up until the 16th century, even today the koran is only read in Arabic in worship, regardless of the nation or language(s) of the faithful.

In effect, the majority of the Islamic worls is as illeducated and theologically illiterate as a sixteenth century serf.

Regret to inform you, CircusMouse, muslim is not a race.

I would like to go further and say that a diverse multi-cultural society is desirable, (…)

And the evidence for this desireability would be…?

Science is capable, given enough time, of coming to an understanding of almost anything.

Billy, glad you said “almost.” It’s a rather relevant qualifier. Since science is based on observation, hypothesis and experimentation, I make the simple observation that despite a plethora of scientific genius over centuries, in all that time no-one has made the slightest dent in understanding or even attempting to understand G-d. Not one, ever. Yet He persists, impervious, as the most influential figure in human history, throughout all of that time.

No, it was meant to illustrate the poison of the religious, and their hypocrisy.

As I said billy and have said many many times previously, it’s really really really important, that one distinguishes faith from mankind’s religious teachings. That’s a really really really basic point. If I did exclamation marks, would that help you understand that point?

Their motivation is no different to the motivation of those who, for example, persecuted Gallileo, destroyed English translations of the bible, burned heretics, such as Cranmer et al, as well as witches and who, even today, deny the evidence science palces before they eyes.

So your answer billy seeks to explain the actions of 21st century Muslims by comparing them with a 16th century medieval mindset with no allowance given to the social and educational advances since that time? I hardly think that’s credible.