Satan in the Australian Parliament
AAP report:
A FORMER political running mate of Family First senator Steve Fielding says dark forces are casting spells on Federal Parliament.Catch the Fire Ministries pastor Daniel Nalliah has organised a “prayer offensive” to combat evil forces including witchcraft, homosexuality and abortion.
Boy he really must dislike Albus Dumbledore then.
“These days people don’t think the Devil is real but we have seen the bad effects of the spiritual being known as Satan and we believe there is a spiritual fight over the nation of Australia being fought in the heavens.”
Asked what evidence of Satan there was in Parliament, Mr Nalliah said: “The number of politicians who have serious marriage problems.”
That is interesting in that he blames Satan for the marriage problems of MPs.
Personally I blame it on the fact many MPs like having sex with hot young staff members.
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October 13th, 2009 at 10:01 am
The Devil in Miss Jones, so to speak.
October 13th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I Think Will has hit the nail on the preverbial, there.
Also of course the old adage; “Power Corrupts”
October 13th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Sad, selfish, narcissicistic old men might be a better way o describing it.
October 13th, 2009 at 10:18 am
He is dead right. Satan sends all these sex bombs into the parliamentary building to tempt the MP’s. Any Victorian sunday school teacher or convent school monk / nun knows this.
October 13th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Do MPs have higher rates of marriage problems and breakups than, say business people with similar workloads and away from home commitments?
Do pastors have lower rates of power trip sexual dalliances than MPs?
In the US rightie morals campaigning politicians do not seem to be exempt from Satan’s conspiracies.
October 13th, 2009 at 10:41 am
“Personally I blame it on the fact many MPs like having sex with hot young staff members.”
This is the funniest sentence I have ever read on this blog. Good call.
October 13th, 2009 at 11:03 am
If you reject the notion that Satan exists then this story is almost satire. If you accept that Satan does exist (as does a spiritual realm) then the idea that thoughts and actions that take us further from God are inspired or promoted by Satan is quite plausible.
Pete asks Do pastors have lower rates of power trip sexual dalliances than MPs?.
It’s a good question. I’d suggest they probably do, but that the public and media are most outraged by hypocrisy so any said dalliance by pastors (or any one else who declares adherence to a moral code that guides against such behaviour) so it’s more likely to make headlines. I think this is fine. Declare a standard, and be prepared to be judged by it.
A bit like police corruption. Nobody like bent coppers because they claim to represent the just law.
However MP’s getting it on with staff is almost a prerequisite these days so I’m sure lots and lots and lots of this goes on and is of little interest to the public.
October 13th, 2009 at 11:08 am
We’re one up on Oz again. They have only one Devil playing hell in the Federal Parliament.
We’ve got Mallard, Curran, and the others in Labour’s Old Nick dirt squad.
Still the squad’s one devil fewer since the Princess of Darkness moved to New York.
October 13th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Carrying on with the comments of getstaffed, I do believe in the existence of the devil. On a personal level having witnessed a person speak in a voice not their own and begin thrashing around in response to prayer — I can testify that the devil is alive and well and manifesting among people.
One can see the influence of a external source of evil in the rise of people like Stalin and Hitler. Hitler had a incredible power to mesmerise a whole nation. It seemed to come from outside of self. That he began to rant and rave and foam at the mouth is well documented historically. Was he an antichrist figure, as predicted in parts of the Bible? He certainly seemed to fit the bill, particularly in his desire to exterminate the Jews, God’s chosen people.
So let’s not be too smug. As CS Lewis used to say there are two errors that we could make with regard to the devil — becoming too obsessed with him or ignoring and denying his existence altogether.
October 13th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Was he an antichrist figure, as predicted in parts of the Bible?
I thought there was THE antichrist i.e. the one and only?
October 13th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
As a typical leftie, I worship the Devil and sacrifice goats quite regularly. But then you already knew that
October 13th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
A guy went to church and saw the devil sitting on the front steps crying, when he asked him what the problem was the devil replied “they blame me for everything in there”.
October 13th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
The bible makes it clear that the leadership of a nation is a reflection of the people of the nation, perhaps if the Christian community stopped the “pointing of the finger” and started doing some housework, political leadership would be better by default.
October 13th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
A guy went to parliament and saw the devil sitting on the front steps crying, when he asked him what the problem was the devil replied “they don’t need me in there, they have the other side to blame for everything”.
Except in Aus.
I don’t think it’s just the Christian community that needs to point the finger less and pull finger more.
October 13th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
RRM … just treat the goats well you hear. Otherwise we’ll send the RSPCA around.
October 13th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Wisdom of Solomon 2:22-24
October 13th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Satan in Parliament? Just goes to show if you have a good enough media liaison team nothing can stop you getting voted in!
October 13th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
If God created everything did he create the devil?
October 13th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Pete – Yes he was created as one of the highest angels and, significantly, with a free will.
October 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Pete,
The idea is that God created Lucifer as his top angel, with free will, and that through pride Lucifer fell from grace – turning from good to evil.
October 13th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
The same reason that people get angrier about the States/UK/Australia/Israel doing fucked up things than when tin-pot dictators do them. It’s the hypocrisy factor.
October 13th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
It doesn’t sound like a very intelligent design. Didn’t things start to turn to custard with the apple?
October 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
I’d be interested in seeing one of these events. I hear about them, and they sound like mental illness or hypnotically induced states, but I’d like to personally observe one.
October 13th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Long before. The angels and some of them falling came first. Adam and Eve and their fall came second, egged on by Lucifer in the Garden.
And as for intelligent design, the idea is that without the option to turn from God, the decision to turn to God has no value.
October 13th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Spot on. Example – If my wife has no choice but to love me, then it’s not love and the relationship would be at best meaningless, at worst abusive. That she has a choice, and chooses me (despite my glaring faults!) makes me unspeakably happy and encourages reciprocity, which leads to happiness and fulfilment.
We work the same way as God in that respect.
The idea of free will is central to the Christian message. Sadly that hasn’t stopped some power hungry ‘religious’ folks manipulating that message over the centuries.
October 13th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I was going to come in and respond to Pete/Cerium’s 2:37 pm comment, but there’s no need – Ryan and GS have more than adequately address the issue of ‘free will’.
Free will: the ability to accept or reject.
All I can add is; amen and amen.
October 13th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Ryan Sproull 2:39 pm,
I have heard it said, Ryan, that much of so called mental illness has a spiritual component to it. Especially that which is a result of drug abuse. This is the reason why the Bible condemns sorcery; which was associated with drug induced trances which opened the individual up to the spiritual realm. Many heavy drug users will openly admit that they have been confronted with demonic spiritual entities. Of course this is not the only way that a spirit can gain entry, but, in our open drug free culture today, it would certainly be a major route leading to spiritual oppression/possession.
October 13th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Oh and best thread title ever BTW!
October 13th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Regarding Demonic activity in the Australian Parliament:
While I’m not an advocate of a ‘demon under every rock’ or ‘the Devil made me do it’ syndromes, I do believe that the Devil/Satan is real, and that his primary focus is the power bases within society. Hence government is likely to be one of his main focal points. So while individual politicians still make free will choices, they are perhaps more likely to come in for attention from Satan than, say, the average man in the street. Hence, perhaps, they are presented with greater temptations. Nonetheless they still make the resultant choices to give in to that temptation.
Of course Satan doesn’t work alone; he has many other spirits that work for him within a structure not dissimilar to that of human government. Indeed, there are ranks within his governmental system:
October 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Adam and Eve and their fall came second, egged on by Lucifer in the Garden
The wicked snake! Egging them on!
October 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I suggest Kris that no one has a clue if a satan exists, nor what it might do if it does. You seem to be reading signs like a psychic – assigning the obvious to your own imagination. I don’t think there has ever been any verifiable evidence of any satanic force. And a book is not evidence of anything apart from marks on paper.
October 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
So the snake came before the egg?
October 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Pete George 4:28 pm,
On the same basis, Cerium, I don’t believe all your ‘marks on my monitor’ are evidence of you, your wife, or your progeny actually existing (as mentioned in your past comments). Perhaps your ramblings are just the result of a malicious computer virus which has infected Kiwiblog. Or worse still, all of us here are victims of mass hypnosis, and we only ‘imagine’ we see your comments on our monitors.
I’ll just go and check my anti virus as a first measure …
October 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
This Friday there will be a Capital Prayer Breakfast in the beehive hosted by MP’s so maybe there will be some people there who could answer the question does a spirit realm exist?
because if it doesn’t then how can a spirit being called Satan exist?
October 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
MikeNZ 5:32 pm,
Your comment, Mike, highlights the fact that at least some of our politicians believe in the God of the Bible.
I do wonder, though, who exactly some of the others pray to when you look at the abominations which have passed into law in the last forty or so years.
October 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
One slight difference Kris, as you know I can easily prove my existence, and satan or god beliefs probably never can be proven.
I suspect many MPs aren’t into praying to anyone. I don’t see that it matters as long as they work for good. Do you have any stats on good laws versus abominations as voted by prayers and non prayers?
And, closer to the original topic: “The number of politicians who have serious marriage problems.” Are they only non-praying marriages? Or does satan only play a port for those who believe in satanism, it is a belief, so surely if you don’t believe in it it isn’t an influence?
October 13th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Pete George 7:03 pm,
Even if you were standing in front of me Cerium, God would have more thoroughly proved His existence to me than you ever could. And on that basis He has also revealed to me the reality of the existence of Satan.
Can’t say that I do. But I will say that an MP’s values will greatly influence his contribution within parliament. Thus Christian MPs, whose morals are based on God’s word, are accountable both to parliament/nation and God. A higher standard of ‘good’ if you like.
Don’t know the statistical breakdown, but my belief would be that strong Christian marriages, especially where couples pray together, would have better survivability rates – irrespective of whether or not one or both are MPs.
And regarding non belief in Satan: He still influences you in much the same way as gravity does; whether you believe in it or not.
Jump off tall building – apply non belief in gravity – splat!
October 13th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
36 comments and not one mentions Kevin Rudd… you guys (where’s Redbaiter?) are slipping.
October 13th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
And I’m sure I couldn’t prove to you that you don’t understand the difference between proof and belief.
It’s just your opinion that your version of morals are better. Others have as much right to dispute that or think theirs are better. The holier than thou competition. Bonny and Clyde scored well in that regard.
Jump off tall building – apply belief that god will save you – splat!
And I feel gravity is well proven anyway.
October 13th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Kris K (686) They pray to St Karl, St Trotsky, St Josef, St Lenin, St Pol, St Mao, &c. All anointed members of that other religion; Socialisim in its various forms.
cheers
David Prosser
October 13th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
It is interesting how some people of faith will attempt to blame life’s problems on the devil, often removing personal responsibility in the process. I have found that blaming my shortcomings on anything but myself only results in continuing in delusion. True humility is one of the most overlooked and misunderstood aspects of the Christian faith, it also seems to be the most beneficial position to get from a dysfunctional place to a functional place in life.
There are only a couple of people I know that I would consider to be truly humble people, they are a great inspiration to me and when I actually humble myself enough to take their advice it is usually of great benefit.
Perhaps looking for the devil in others is kind of pointless if we haven’t got the devil out of ourselves first.
October 14th, 2009 at 12:12 am
So God gives people a choice about whether to worship him or not….and if you choose not to, you burn in some type of underground hell for eternity. Ummm, relating this to the wife example given by getstaffed @ 3:13pm, this is like telling her she can love you or spend the rest of her life being tortured. We are not like God in this respect. Those of us who aren’t criminals do not force people to marry us using such means.
I just can’t believe grown ups believe this nonsense in this day and age. People don’t require a God in their lives to do good in this world.
October 14th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Zapper
People don’t require a God in their lives to do good in this world.
good point
I know a few Christians who are very intelligent and well educated professionals and to talk to them they seem to make logical sense concerning faith. These are contributing members of society.
That said the Christians don’t make doing good the watchword of their faith do they?
That’s what the rest of the community puts back on the Christians as a level or bar to accepting them.
why do you think that is?
October 14th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Perhaps because a lot of them (I won’t tar them all with the same brush) are very judgemental towards those who don’t worship someone in the sky. The bible also teaches that they should spread the word of God and live to a high set of moral standards (that is, those parts of the bible that aren’t encouraging rape and murder).
October 14th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Zapper, all God said was you can eat everything on the planet except the fruit of one tree. He made the place, he makes the rules, he told people what would happen if we disobeyed.
The deal seems fair to me, now all God requires is that people accept his provision for redemption, we have already had the chance to be “good”.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
What is good?
October 15th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Well Shunda, if there was a God I’m sure he would be far more loving and forgiving that the one described in the bible.
Unfortunately, we just end up as worm food. But I have no problem with those who choose to believe otherwise, as long as their beliefs don’t hurt others.