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		<title>By: John Ansell</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-625617</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This promo makes Bill look much more likeable than any of the ads National ran of Bill in 2002. With this performance, he might have got a lot more than 20%.

But for a state broadcaster to run a free party political broadcast like this is outrageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This promo makes Bill look much more likeable than any of the ads National ran of Bill in 2002. With this performance, he might have got a lot more than 20%.</p>
<p>But for a state broadcaster to run a free party political broadcast like this is outrageous.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-625078</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What side show bob and craig ranapia said.

Although I will add &quot;fuck off Labour&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What side show bob and craig ranapia said.</p>
<p>Although I will add &#8220;fuck off Labour&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ranapia</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-625075</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ranapia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I doubt Nats would have enjoyed a couple of hours of ads with Michael Cullen.&lt;/i&gt;

For nine long years, I reconciled myself to the unpleasant fact that Governments tend to be considered more newsworthy than Oppositions.  That&#039;s not &quot;bias&quot; but reality.  If John Key visits London or Washington as Prime Minister, that&#039;s going to get a damn sight more attention than any visit he paid as Opposition Leader.

As Teddy Roosevelt famously said high office is a &quot;bully pulpit&quot;  (in the sense of &#039;very fine indeed&#039;) when you want to be heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I doubt Nats would have enjoyed a couple of hours of ads with Michael Cullen.</i></p>
<p>For nine long years, I reconciled myself to the unpleasant fact that Governments tend to be considered more newsworthy than Oppositions.  That&#8217;s not &#8220;bias&#8221; but reality.  If John Key visits London or Washington as Prime Minister, that&#8217;s going to get a damn sight more attention than any visit he paid as Opposition Leader.</p>
<p>As Teddy Roosevelt famously said high office is a &#8220;bully pulpit&#8221;  (in the sense of &#8216;very fine indeed&#8217;) when you want to be heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liarbore have fomented a strategy here.  Their honey-traps did not work, and their own back yard is so littered with incompetence, failure and immigration scams, they have no possible way of winning in 2011 on their own merit.  They have realised, however, that English and Smith are Key&#039;s weakest links.  They can&#039;t get at Key directly, but they&#039;ll take as many potshots as they can at Mr 20% and the godfather of the ETS.  If New Zealand, Inc were a business, Key would cut English and Smith now, before they do any more damage. But it is not a business, and I suspect he thinks he needs these two to carry the South Island in 2011. I think otherwise, but I&#039;m not the boss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liarbore have fomented a strategy here.  Their honey-traps did not work, and their own back yard is so littered with incompetence, failure and immigration scams, they have no possible way of winning in 2011 on their own merit.  They have realised, however, that English and Smith are Key&#8217;s weakest links.  They can&#8217;t get at Key directly, but they&#8217;ll take as many potshots as they can at Mr 20% and the godfather of the ETS.  If New Zealand, Inc were a business, Key would cut English and Smith now, before they do any more damage. But it is not a business, and I suspect he thinks he needs these two to carry the South Island in 2011. I think otherwise, but I&#8217;m not the boss.</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-625026</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She said the creative unit at TVNZ chose Mr English partly because of the pun on his name in the series’ title “Plain English”. –

Ha,&quot;Plain English&quot; is a very apt description.

Cause he is Plain, boring and lacking in imagination unless of course its to his advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said the creative unit at TVNZ chose Mr English partly because of the pun on his name in the series’ title “Plain English”. –</p>
<p>Ha,&#8221;Plain English&#8221; is a very apt description.</p>
<p>Cause he is Plain, boring and lacking in imagination unless of course its to his advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-625023</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see Labour focused on the issues that really matter once again. 
Perhaps Labour can put forward Michael the tank-theeconomy-engine Cullen to explain why he wasted so much money in government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see Labour focused on the issues that really matter once again.<br />
Perhaps Labour can put forward Michael the tank-theeconomy-engine Cullen to explain why he wasted so much money in government.</p>
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		<title>By: thedavincimode</title>
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		<dc:creator>thedavincimode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Colonel, but it is the Key&#039;s English.

But who knows for how much longer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Colonel, but it is the Key&#8217;s English.</p>
<p>But who knows for how much longer</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel Masters</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-624955</link>
		<dc:creator>Colonel Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Together, &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt; Kiwis can do it.&quot;

I don&#039;t know about Plain English, but it certainly isn&#039;t the Queen&#039;s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Together, <i>us</i> Kiwis can do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about Plain English, but it certainly isn&#8217;t the Queen&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-624931</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nine fucking years of state sponsored socialist propaganda and these clowns have the nerve to get upset about an one hour programme on a channel that most don&#039;t know exists, give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nine fucking years of state sponsored socialist propaganda and these clowns have the nerve to get upset about an one hour programme on a channel that most don&#8217;t know exists, give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-624907</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I doubt Nats would have enjoyed a couple of hours of ads with Michael Cullen.&quot;

I&#039;m sure they would&#039;ve.  Otheriwse, why did this government give incompetent Cullen a NZ Post sinecure?  
NZ politicians are members of a cozy club and are all &quot;mates&quot;, despite their shallow differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I doubt Nats would have enjoyed a couple of hours of ads with Michael Cullen.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they would&#8217;ve.  Otheriwse, why did this government give incompetent Cullen a NZ Post sinecure?<br />
NZ politicians are members of a cozy club and are all &#8220;mates&#8221;, despite their shallow differences.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-624904</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Might I suggest you realign your blog&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Might I suggest that trying to realign a blog could be about as effective as trying to realign a comb-over outside in Wellington tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Might I suggest you realign your blog</p></blockquote>
<p>Might I suggest that trying to realign a blog could be about as effective as trying to realign a comb-over outside in Wellington tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Whaleoil</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-624896</link>
		<dc:creator>Whaleoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Having said that, I do have some sympathy for Labour’s concerns.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As you are already aware David you have been tossed from the VRWC for previous rules and prtotocol breaches, there may have been some redemption at some time in the future but now after that egregious statement possible reconciliation is impossible.

Might I suggest you realign your blog from Right wing to lily-livered pinko trougher.

[DPF: If TVNZ started running promos every hour of Cullen and Clark, many on the right would have complained.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Having said that, I do have some sympathy for Labour’s concerns.</p></blockquote>
<p>As you are already aware David you have been tossed from the VRWC for previous rules and prtotocol breaches, there may have been some redemption at some time in the future but now after that egregious statement possible reconciliation is impossible.</p>
<p>Might I suggest you realign your blog from Right wing to lily-livered pinko trougher.</p>
<p>[DPF: If TVNZ started running promos every hour of Cullen and Clark, many on the right would have complained.]</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-624865</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the TVNZ advert for no other reason that it drives the left crazy.

Of course the same people who are screaming blue murder thought nothing of Labour doing the same for the last nine years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the TVNZ advert for no other reason that it drives the left crazy.</p>
<p>Of course the same people who are screaming blue murder thought nothing of Labour doing the same for the last nine years.</p>
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		<title>By: thedavincimode</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-624856</link>
		<dc:creator>thedavincimode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou Sarkozygroupie.

Once again, whether its right or wrong or Liabore did the same (and in fact much worse) isn&#039;t the point.  English just doesn&#039;t get it.  Just like he didn&#039;t get the point over allowances.  He is becoming a liability and is trading on unprecented goodwill that will evaporate pretty smartly if this sort of rubbish continues.  He was lucky this time in one respect in that this follows recent embarassments for Liabore and the meolns.  On the other hand, it just drags National a little closer to the same sandpit in terms of perceptions.

And Pete, that line is not in the least bit fuzzy.  One is a bribe; the other a donation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou Sarkozygroupie.</p>
<p>Once again, whether its right or wrong or Liabore did the same (and in fact much worse) isn&#8217;t the point.  English just doesn&#8217;t get it.  Just like he didn&#8217;t get the point over allowances.  He is becoming a liability and is trading on unprecented goodwill that will evaporate pretty smartly if this sort of rubbish continues.  He was lucky this time in one respect in that this follows recent embarassments for Liabore and the meolns.  On the other hand, it just drags National a little closer to the same sandpit in terms of perceptions.</p>
<p>And Pete, that line is not in the least bit fuzzy.  One is a bribe; the other a donation</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Wallis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Wallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not seeing the issue in using our Finance minister to promote economy-focused programmes. From where I am looking this seems to be a highly logical thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not seeing the issue in using our Finance minister to promote economy-focused programmes. From where I am looking this seems to be a highly logical thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;do you know the difference between a donation and a bribe? Or are they the same thing to you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The line between donations and bribes is pretty fuzzy.  I&#039;d say it&#039;s up to voters to decide where the line is.  In order to do so, they need to be aware of the donation/bribe in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>do you know the difference between a donation and a bribe? Or are they the same thing to you?</p></blockquote>
<p>The line between donations and bribes is pretty fuzzy.  I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s up to voters to decide where the line is.  In order to do so, they need to be aware of the donation/bribe in question.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/the_tvnz7_promo_ads.html#comment-624827</link>
		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more galled that Bill English can come on my TV and talk so disingenuously about catching up with Australia, when he and John Keyless have so palpably failed to do a single thing in the last year to achieve that aim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more galled that Bill English can come on my TV and talk so disingenuously about catching up with Australia, when he and John Keyless have so palpably failed to do a single thing in the last year to achieve that aim.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete - do you know the difference between a donation and a bribe?  Or are they the same thing to you?

What would that make a meeting where large amounts of money are put into a bowl and become mixed up, so &quot;we can&#039;t tell who donated&quot;.  Would those donations also be bribes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete &#8211; do you know the difference between a donation and a bribe?  Or are they the same thing to you?</p>
<p>What would that make a meeting where large amounts of money are put into a bowl and become mixed up, so &#8220;we can&#8217;t tell who donated&#8221;.  Would those donations also be bribes?</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You compare bribery to agreeing to do a promo for a TV show.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t be disingenous.  I was making the point that &lt;em&gt;wanting to do something&lt;/em&gt; doesn&#039;t make it &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;99% of MPs will turn down bribes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not if the bribe is in the socially approved form of an &#039;anonymous&#039; donation to the Waitemata Trust.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The one Labour MP who didn&#039;t is serving six years in prison.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The one MP who &lt;em&gt;got caught&lt;/em&gt;, because he wasn&#039;t receiving his bribes in the socially approved manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You compare bribery to agreeing to do a promo for a TV show.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t be disingenous.  I was making the point that <em>wanting to do something</em> doesn&#8217;t make it <em>right</em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>99% of MPs will turn down bribes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not if the bribe is in the socially approved form of an &#8216;anonymous&#8217; donation to the Waitemata Trust.</p>
<blockquote><p>The one Labour MP who didn&#8217;t is serving six years in prison.</p></blockquote>
<p>The one MP who <em>got caught</em>, because he wasn&#8217;t receiving his bribes in the socially approved manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarkozygroupie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarkozygroupie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wahhh, he was airbrushed, and and and he was in a suit one minute and then a polo shirt, wahhhh.  quelle horreur! 

These idiots *still* haven&#039;t got why they lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wahhh, he was airbrushed, and and and he was in a suit one minute and then a polo shirt, wahhhh.  quelle horreur! </p>
<p>These idiots *still* haven&#8217;t got why they lost.</p>
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