Don’t know and don’t care, but those of you who are going or have paid to see it on pay per view should know that small amount of the money you paid to see the fight is going to go to that piece of shit and child killer Soulan Pownceby who is fighting on the under card.
If the tsunami tragedy has had one positive effect, it’s been Tua finally abandoning his fake South-Central gangsta accent that he had affected. It made all of his obnoxious “trash-talk” sound even more stupid – thank God it’s gone.
It’s just sport people stop taking it so seriously
Those of you bagging the whole fight by trying to score some imaginary points with your indignant stand that you think makes you look smart and clever.
It actually just makes you look sad and devoid of any fun.
Sky must be stoked with how many people are paying the pay per view $40.
We booked it and thought we would invite a few friends around; all the people we invited had already booked it them selves too. This is a very big event!
Ask someone who cares. I accept professional boxing often exhibits quite a degree of skill among the protagonists and the promoters and can be an escape to riches but the damage among many who indulge and the depressing parade of the remnants of something I cannot describe as sport is too often tragic. Why do I think of dog fighting, cock fighting, bull fighting and the coliseum at the moment.
Fale, for some people boxing is not a sport that they take interest in. For others, it is a big deal.
Myself, I like sport. I like the challenge of seeing who is the fittest, strongest, skillful and the most tactical. However, I also like sportsmanship and fairplay. My idea of a sport is something where the main objective is to not beat the crap out of your opponent until they have been knocked out.
As an income earner, and hence an ACC payer, if the main object of the sport is essentially violence and to inflict pain and suffering of your opponent, then I would not want to see my hard earned ACC money go towards this. Most sports have tried to implement rules to prevent serious head injuries, ie penalising head high tackles and spear tackles in rugby. In boxing, while a show of fitness and physical strength is one thing, but when it comes down to it, its all about inflicting a head injury on your opponent.
Why am I speaking out, well in NZ there is an underbelly (or should I say community) of amateur and small time professional boxers. As an ED doctor I have seen several boxers and sparring partners turn up to hospital with head injuries all requesting tax payer funded medical care (which ACC usually takes care of). I cannot help thinking that this is a rort as any sport that is all about punching the head and face should never receive any ACC assistance for the head injuries it inevitably causes. ACC is an insurance. Head injuries in boxing are expected. If boxers were required to fund costs relating to their head injuries themselves then I do not have a problem. If there is someone in the know, can they answer how the promoters of this fight wish to fund the costs of the injuries that may be incurred with this fight?
Tua didn’t make it to the very top. Boxing is a bit of mess, what is the top anyway? And Tua’s last decade has hardly been stellar. He has never won sportsman of the year, has he ever even been nominated?
I’m not just referring to rugby or cricket (neither have one a world cup in the last decade), what about rowing, cycling, golf, netball, softball, triathalon, kayaking, shot put?
First of all – if it doesn’t concern you, why bother commenting on a blog specifically set aside for it?
Secondly, when has ACC ever paid out compensation to a boxer in a boxing fight who is clearly expected to authorize the fight by declaring his consent to participate? – you can rest assured that tax payer funding will not end up in the form of compensation to any of these fighters tonight.
Thirdly, yes boxing is a very violent sport but it has a history that stretches as far back as the Third Millennium BC and covered most of European civilization. It was declared an Olympic sport in 688 BC which makes it one of the oldest sports today.
Yes it is a violent sport but like most full-contact sports there are rules and regulations as well as the authority circumscribed to the referee. It’s almost like joining the American military – you authorize the fight by declaring your interest through a contract of permission. You train for years and accept that the consequence of such a sport is violent and injury is often unavoidable.
It is a crying shame Tua was held back by Kevin Barry’s crappy management for so long. He should have been world champion years ago and would have been without Barry. No wonder Barry can’t show his thieving face in New Zealand.
Hard to know what that answers, Cameron went down so quick he is either very very average or Tua is very very good, until you get a tested opponent for Tua I guess we wont know – In case anyone is looking for it
“Secondly, when has ACC ever paid out compensation to a boxer in a boxing fight who is clearly expected to authorize the fight by declaring his consent to participate? – you can rest assured that tax payer funding will not end up in the form of compensation to any of these fighters tonight.”
How little you know. Begrudgingly, I have filed ACC claims for head injured boxers. As I contribute to ACC, of course it concerns me.
“Thirdly, yes boxing is a very violent sport but it has a history that stretches as far back as the Third Millennium BC and covered most of European civilization. It was declared an Olympic sport in 688 BC which makes it one of the oldest sports today”
Gladiator fights to the death was also popular in Roman times. Often hungry lions were thrown it to make it interesting. In some Latin cultures bull fighting is also a skillful and popular sport. However, just because they date back to the dreamtime does not make them an appropriate sport in today’s civilised world.
Grizz, I can kinda see your point about taxpayers paying for boxing injuries, but you will also realise working in ED that the number of injuries that rugby players sustain in their careers far outweighs boxing injuries. Furthermore, the sheer number of people playing rugby all over new zealand compared to those in the sport of boxing means that ACC will be paying out a monstrous amount more to rugby players than to boxers.
Working in ED you will also notice the severity of motorbike accidents and the frequency that they occur – that is road accidents and moto-x. Does this mean people should start kicking up a fuss about the amount of taxpayers money spent on motorbike riders? Hell no.
Finally, the comment you made about Phil and his grammar, that was pretty childish. Many doctors would be man enough to refrain from making such petty comments.
I can see where you are going about rugby and other sports injuries. One of the consequences of most sports are injuries and we must make allowances for this. I would never advocate telling people to stop playing rugby and netball. We are better off as a nation having people being active than being wrapped in cotton wool. Howver I feel it is the responsibility of the code concerned to improve safety and minimise injury. If injuries do occur, the sport should look at trying to minimise the gravity of those injuries and the social cost to the community. Head injuries often result in permanent disability and the lifetime cost of this is huge.
Kudos to the rugby union, they have gone to great lengths to minimise head and spinal injuries. Most rugby injuries are orthopaedic in nature which on the whole are correctable. The reality is, for a variety of reasons, I see more netball related injuries than rugby injuries. However, most of these will return to full time employment and often back to full time playing.
You touch on motorbike riders. Motorcyclists have to pay registration fees just like any other vehicle owner. Of which there is an ACC component. If you are prepared to obey the road code, please feel free to ride your bike. On the matter of motorcross, yes we should kick up a fuss. A small motorcross tournament will consume more ACC premiums than a whole Provincial City’s Saturday rugby competition.
By the way, I am pleased to see that Phil has a friend.
By the way, I am pleased to see that Phil has a friend.
On the fight, Tua was too good & Cameron has always been tooooooo ssssllllloooooowwwww as a boxer. No defence other then using his arms! He’s got reasonable power, good punches, good conditioning & good chin (oops) but man he just can’t move his feet or head enough, quickly enough to be competitive against the top echelon.
Tua looks real good when he’s angry though. Hope he can tap into that anger when/if he fights again.
I don’t understand the venom of some of these posters though…….it’s a big fight for NZ & well promoted. Shane Cameron’s had a good career for a Kiwi heavyweight and was man enough to step up to the mark. Good on both of them they earned their 500K before it even started!
I agree will your comments, especially regarding moto-x. Maybe introducing compulsory (very pricey) health insurance for riders would solve it?
I do however find it hard to imagine how professional boxing could be made safer for someones head without introducing head gear, and I dont really see that happening. Maybe more of the training focus should go towards dodging punches!?
As far as the amount of permanent serious head injuries stemming from boxing, I’m not sure what the numbers would be, but I’m assuming the percentages would be quite low.