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		<title>By: Hurf Durf</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/turei_on_trade.html#comment-614747</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurf Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm, can&#039;t wait to sup Victory Gin whilst hailing the victory of autarky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm, can&#8217;t wait to sup Victory Gin whilst hailing the victory of autarky.</p>
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		<title>By: tautokai.baxter</title>
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		<dc:creator>tautokai.baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I believe we are. But I believe we could live sustainably with little trade. We have enough resource to live quite comfortably, if we limit imagration. We can determine our own future, while holding onto our unique cultural identity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I believe we are. But I believe we could live sustainably with little trade. We have enough resource to live quite comfortably, if we limit imagration. We can determine our own future, while holding onto our unique cultural identity.</p>
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		<title>By: Grizz</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/turei_on_trade.html#comment-614741</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You heard it here first, I will give kudos to Helen Clark over one matter. At some time during the last 9 years, the great crusader Bob Geldof, the Boomtown Ratter who had more to dislike than just Modays, asked NZ to provide more help to developing countries. She replied that NZ had removed trade barriers to developing countries and suggested that he encourage countries from his neck of the woods to do the same. I thought it was a good reply.

While trade barriers may keep wealthy countries wealthy, they also keep poor countries poor. From New Zealand&#039;s point of view, being a agriculture and commodity dependent economy, are we also still a developing country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You heard it here first, I will give kudos to Helen Clark over one matter. At some time during the last 9 years, the great crusader Bob Geldof, the Boomtown Ratter who had more to dislike than just Modays, asked NZ to provide more help to developing countries. She replied that NZ had removed trade barriers to developing countries and suggested that he encourage countries from his neck of the woods to do the same. I thought it was a good reply.</p>
<p>While trade barriers may keep wealthy countries wealthy, they also keep poor countries poor. From New Zealand&#8217;s point of view, being a agriculture and commodity dependent economy, are we also still a developing country?</p>
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		<title>By: paradigm</title>
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		<dc:creator>paradigm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the truth is that so much of New Zealand’s economy at the moment is under serious threat if  you like from the fact that we’re having to borrow hundreds of millions of dollars every week actually in order to just pay the interest on our current borrowing.We’re having a housing bubble at the moment...  &lt;/blockquote&gt; 
Ok got you. So we are borrowing too much. I guess that means we should cut back both in government and particularly in personal borrowing since you mention the housing boom...

&lt;blockquote&gt;...there are other kinds of tools that we can use to deal with economic issues that are affecting New Zealand, like increasing the ability for banks for example to lend ….&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Huhbutwhat? First she says we borrowed too much, then she says she wants to make it easier for banks to lend (further increase borrowing). 

In spite of what Turei says about &quot;economic sovereignty&quot;, the only real problem with free trade is that it tends to get applied asymetrically by hypocrites: the likes of the EU (france in particular) and the US, who lobby other countries to reduce trade barriers but keep their own intact. Were there more even handed reductions in trade barriers, developing countries would benefit enormously as their comparatively cheap labour would give them the edge.

Now I guess the greens would say this would result in exploitation of the developing country labour force, however it is obvious that in the long term, the increase in empolyment in the deveoping countries would force the wage rates up, raising their standards of living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the truth is that so much of New Zealand’s economy at the moment is under serious threat if  you like from the fact that we’re having to borrow hundreds of millions of dollars every week actually in order to just pay the interest on our current borrowing.We’re having a housing bubble at the moment&#8230;  </p></blockquote>
<p>Ok got you. So we are borrowing too much. I guess that means we should cut back both in government and particularly in personal borrowing since you mention the housing boom&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;there are other kinds of tools that we can use to deal with economic issues that are affecting New Zealand, like increasing the ability for banks for example to lend ….</p></blockquote>
<p>Huhbutwhat? First she says we borrowed too much, then she says she wants to make it easier for banks to lend (further increase borrowing). </p>
<p>In spite of what Turei says about &#8220;economic sovereignty&#8221;, the only real problem with free trade is that it tends to get applied asymetrically by hypocrites: the likes of the EU (france in particular) and the US, who lobby other countries to reduce trade barriers but keep their own intact. Were there more even handed reductions in trade barriers, developing countries would benefit enormously as their comparatively cheap labour would give them the edge.</p>
<p>Now I guess the greens would say this would result in exploitation of the developing country labour force, however it is obvious that in the long term, the increase in empolyment in the deveoping countries would force the wage rates up, raising their standards of living.</p>
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		<title>By: Put it away</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/10/turei_on_trade.html#comment-614707</link>
		<dc:creator>Put it away</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asking a green specific questions about economics is unfair and cruel, much like demanding that a 5 year old explain the logistics of the Tooth Fairy. And yet funny as shit !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asking a green specific questions about economics is unfair and cruel, much like demanding that a 5 year old explain the logistics of the Tooth Fairy. And yet funny as shit !</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You have to love the irony. Their super fund is personally profiting from the China FTA that they battled against.&lt;/i&gt;

Nice catch.

But in some ways it is the exact opposite of irony: &lt;b&gt;there is no part of the economy the Greens could put their superannuation money that does not benefit from trading&lt;/b&gt;, if not in the short term then certainly in the long term.

Even manufacturing, although it now employs fewer people in first world economies, still produces far more output than thirty years ago. There have been astounding gains in productivity in manufacturing, in good part because that sector has gained access to capital and ideas both locally and from overseas through trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You have to love the irony. Their super fund is personally profiting from the China FTA that they battled against.</i></p>
<p>Nice catch.</p>
<p>But in some ways it is the exact opposite of irony: <b>there is no part of the economy the Greens could put their superannuation money that does not benefit from trading</b>, if not in the short term then certainly in the long term.</p>
<p>Even manufacturing, although it now employs fewer people in first world economies, still produces far more output than thirty years ago. There have been astounding gains in productivity in manufacturing, in good part because that sector has gained access to capital and ideas both locally and from overseas through trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the Greeny on Sunday (on TV One) look like Sue Bradford or what?

Or maybe this is just indicative of the &#039;close-knit&#039; Greeny community.
Anyone got a banjo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the Greeny on Sunday (on TV One) look like Sue Bradford or what?</p>
<p>Or maybe this is just indicative of the &#8216;close-knit&#8217; Greeny community.<br />
Anyone got a banjo?</p>
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		<title>By: jabba</title>
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		<dc:creator>jabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a look at Redalert and Phil Twiford brought up her lack of ability to convey their poilcy etc with China .. I mentioned that Helen Clark said before the election (I think she she it before that last  3 elections) that she wanted to hook up with the Greens in a partnership so i asked how they would deal with the huge gap in policy .. Trev deleted because I was off thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both sentences were about what Phil had written .. wtf
Owen .. I saw the shorts and I can&#039;t wait to hear the mad looking woman that they interviewed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a look at Redalert and Phil Twiford brought up her lack of ability to convey their poilcy etc with China .. I mentioned that Helen Clark said before the election (I think she she it before that last  3 elections) that she wanted to hook up with the Greens in a partnership so i asked how they would deal with the huge gap in policy .. Trev deleted because I was off thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both sentences were about what Phil had written .. wtf<br />
Owen .. I saw the shorts and I can&#8217;t wait to hear the mad looking woman that they interviewed</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, the Green super fund has investments in a company that was impacted by the NZ/Aus harmonisation of food licensing?  And invested in insulation companies that made profits from the insulation subsidy?  And invested in wind farms that made profits from the renewable energy targets?

So, sure, probably those are all innocent investments.  But they didn&#039;t cut Bill English much slack, did they?

So, after we finish with the Greens&#039; housing in Wellington, and the Greens&#039; and Labour&#039;s office accommodation in electorates and elsewhere, shall we move on to their super fund investments in areas impacted by policies they have input into?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, the Green super fund has investments in a company that was impacted by the NZ/Aus harmonisation of food licensing?  And invested in insulation companies that made profits from the insulation subsidy?  And invested in wind farms that made profits from the renewable energy targets?</p>
<p>So, sure, probably those are all innocent investments.  But they didn&#8217;t cut Bill English much slack, did they?</p>
<p>So, after we finish with the Greens&#8217; housing in Wellington, and the Greens&#8217; and Labour&#8217;s office accommodation in electorates and elsewhere, shall we move on to their super fund investments in areas impacted by policies they have input into?</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAtch Sunday tonight on TVOne.
We could do with some free trade in gold.

Bill Garnder has been battling for years to get a right to sell the stuff overseas and earn us about $300 million from a few hectares of land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WAtch Sunday tonight on TVOne.<br />
We could do with some free trade in gold.</p>
<p>Bill Garnder has been battling for years to get a right to sell the stuff overseas and earn us about $300 million from a few hectares of land.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty hard to talk against free trade when measuring the economic expansion of the last 25 years...

Although I think Libertarians are bat s**t crazy one of the points I read on their site rang very true, it read, &quot;Do you support tariffs between the North and South Island? If not your a free trader because they are ALL just lines on a map&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty hard to talk against free trade when measuring the economic expansion of the last 25 years&#8230;</p>
<p>Although I think Libertarians are bat s**t crazy one of the points I read on their site rang very true, it read, &#8220;Do you support tariffs between the North and South Island? If not your a free trader because they are ALL just lines on a map&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rimu</title>
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		<dc:creator>rimu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean that one that both Labour and National voted for?</description>
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		<title>By: Kris K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rimu 3:57 pm,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think several minor party’s policies would be very bad for NZ, but I never bother to mention them. I don’t see those parties as a serious threat, as their chances of getting their bills passed are low.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I trust you haven&#039;t forgotten a certain bill put forward by Green Party member Sue Bradford which passed into law just recently?

No serious threat to the freedoms of NZers whatsoever, right?
Hardly worth a mention really, eh?
Just some little ineffectual &#039;minor&#039; party?
This is the curse of MMP; little &#039;minor&#039; parties DO have a disproportionate effect on policy, and can hold major parties to ransom. Ever heard the term &#039;king maker&#039; before? Didn&#039;t exist prior to MMP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rimu 3:57 pm,</p>
<blockquote><p>I think several minor party’s policies would be very bad for NZ, but I never bother to mention them. I don’t see those parties as a serious threat, as their chances of getting their bills passed are low.</p></blockquote>
<p>I trust you haven&#8217;t forgotten a certain bill put forward by Green Party member Sue Bradford which passed into law just recently?</p>
<p>No serious threat to the freedoms of NZers whatsoever, right?<br />
Hardly worth a mention really, eh?<br />
Just some little ineffectual &#8216;minor&#8217; party?<br />
This is the curse of MMP; little &#8216;minor&#8217; parties DO have a disproportionate effect on policy, and can hold major parties to ransom. Ever heard the term &#8216;king maker&#8217; before? Didn&#8217;t exist prior to MMP.</p>
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		<title>By: Pita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slogans over substance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slogans over substance</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;After seeing the interview one would conclude Turei is really a “flake”&quot;

I couldn&#039;t help wondering where I had seen that look on Turei&#039;s face,....................... now its suddenly come back to me. 2am in the morning travelling down to Cooks Beach - a possum in the middle of the road, first hit by my headlights -looking right at me approaching at 100k - just the look on its face in that final second....................BadoompBadoomp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After seeing the interview one would conclude Turei is really a “flake”&#8221;</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t help wondering where I had seen that look on Turei&#8217;s face,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. now its suddenly come back to me. 2am in the morning travelling down to Cooks Beach &#8211; a possum in the middle of the road, first hit by my headlights -looking right at me approaching at 100k &#8211; just the look on its face in that final second&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..BadoompBadoomp</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
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		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manolo - only doomed by reasonable people who don&#039;t vote for them anyway. No, their voters really are on a different planet. A eclectic collection of socialists, whacked-out Gaia worshipers and unthinking ex-pats who feel &#039;nice&#039; about supporting NZs green image from their smoggy cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manolo &#8211; only doomed by reasonable people who don&#8217;t vote for them anyway. No, their voters really are on a different planet. A eclectic collection of socialists, whacked-out Gaia worshipers and unthinking ex-pats who feel &#8216;nice&#8217; about supporting NZs green image from their smoggy cities.</p>
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		<title>By: rimu</title>
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		<dc:creator>rimu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think several minor party&#039;s policies would be very bad for NZ, but I never bother to mention them. I don&#039;t see those parties as a serious threat, as their chances of getting their bills passed are low</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think several minor party&#8217;s policies would be very bad for NZ, but I never bother to mention them. I don&#8217;t see those parties as a serious threat, as their chances of getting their bills passed are low</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After seeing the interview one would conclude Turei is really a &quot;flake&quot; and the Green Party is doomed with such leadership (great news!).

This poor woman should be going back to some P.R. firm to get advice on how to deal with the press, even when dealing with tepid questions she looked out of her depth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After seeing the interview one would conclude Turei is really a &#8220;flake&#8221; and the Green Party is doomed with such leadership (great news!).</p>
<p>This poor woman should be going back to some P.R. firm to get advice on how to deal with the press, even when dealing with tepid questions she looked out of her depth.</p>
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		<title>By: jabba</title>
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		<dc:creator>jabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the greens demand transperancy in others so when caught out, they look like scmucks and should be made to explain, nothing to be scared of really</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the greens demand transperancy in others so when caught out, they look like scmucks and should be made to explain, nothing to be scared of really</p>
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		<title>By: rimu</title>
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		<dc:creator>rimu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh

Many right wing bloggers spend a lot of energy attacking a very minor party that can barely scrape above the 5% threshold. Why is that? Are they afraid?

[DPF: Most of the time I attack their policies because I think they would be very bad for NZ.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh</p>
<p>Many right wing bloggers spend a lot of energy attacking a very minor party that can barely scrape above the 5% threshold. Why is that? Are they afraid?</p>
<p>[DPF: Most of the time I attack their policies because I think they would be very bad for NZ.]</p>
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