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		<title>By: barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AirNZ is OK if you are gold level or business - but otherwise they are just a typical western style airline - shit customer service and they treat customers as though they  are an intrusion into their work!

Cathay - downtown checkin in HK - check in a whole day before at the down town terminal - off to Macau for the day and then back to the airport, into the diners club lounge (free for members) and then onto the flight - great service.
Asian airlines are pretty good - along with excellent airports generally (where for example you can buy lounge access if you are travelling economy). The airport facilities really help. Take US airports - more like concentration camps - starts the trip in a bad mood.

And it helps being 6&#039;6&#039;&#039; tall - one finds that a bit of the &#039;stand over&#039; tactics really help in asia.  If they say &#039;No&#039; - you just stand there and look pissed off - its amazing how that quickly turns into &quot;Ah - yes, I think we can change that...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AirNZ is OK if you are gold level or business &#8211; but otherwise they are just a typical western style airline &#8211; shit customer service and they treat customers as though they  are an intrusion into their work!</p>
<p>Cathay &#8211; downtown checkin in HK &#8211; check in a whole day before at the down town terminal &#8211; off to Macau for the day and then back to the airport, into the diners club lounge (free for members) and then onto the flight &#8211; great service.<br />
Asian airlines are pretty good &#8211; along with excellent airports generally (where for example you can buy lounge access if you are travelling economy). The airport facilities really help. Take US airports &#8211; more like concentration camps &#8211; starts the trip in a bad mood.</p>
<p>And it helps being 6&#8242;6&#8221; tall &#8211; one finds that a bit of the &#8217;stand over&#8217; tactics really help in asia.  If they say &#8216;No&#8217; &#8211; you just stand there and look pissed off &#8211; its amazing how that quickly turns into &#8220;Ah &#8211; yes, I think we can change that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: starboard</title>
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		<dc:creator>starboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emirates yee haa !! Its like walkin on to the set of the playboy mansion...beautiful...</description>
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		<title>By: Seán</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Answer to your puzzlement David: &quot;Trade Union&quot;

Danyl said earlier: &lt;i&gt;&quot;I don’t think they start paying them until the clock ticks over.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. If that was the case I seriously doubt they would be there 20 mins earlier, albeit chatting. Normally wage earners only turn up at work when they get paid, not beforehand. But I could be wrong.

I also agree with Chthoniid in the very first comment. Many airports have much smaller time windows for check-in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Answer to your puzzlement David: &#8220;Trade Union&#8221;</p>
<p>Danyl said earlier: <i>&#8220;I don’t think they start paying them until the clock ticks over.&#8221;</i>. If that was the case I seriously doubt they would be there 20 mins earlier, albeit chatting. Normally wage earners only turn up at work when they get paid, not beforehand. But I could be wrong.</p>
<p>I also agree with Chthoniid in the very first comment. Many airports have much smaller time windows for check-in.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rufus - you flying the same Qantas I am?  Emirates if you&#039;re checking out the hosties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus &#8211; you flying the same Qantas I am?  Emirates if you&#8217;re checking out the hosties.</p>
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		<title>By: Rufus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rufus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantas has hot stewardesses...shame about the accent tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantas has hot stewardesses&#8230;shame about the accent tho.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would have to hold a gun to my head to get me to fly Air NZ internationally, and even then I would probably beg you to pull the trigger.  The planes are great but the cabin crew are a pack of uptight bitches, and that includes the blokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would have to hold a gun to my head to get me to fly Air NZ internationally, and even then I would probably beg you to pull the trigger.  The planes are great but the cabin crew are a pack of uptight bitches, and that includes the blokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Heine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Online check in anybody? Doesn&#039;t Air NZ do this yet??? Good god.</description>
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		<title>By: NeillR</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeillR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same thing in Singapore. They wouldn&#039;t open check-in until 2? (may have been three) hours before the flight. From what i recall it&#039;s to do with security - they don&#039;t want bags sitting around for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same thing in Singapore. They wouldn&#8217;t open check-in until 2? (may have been three) hours before the flight. From what i recall it&#8217;s to do with security &#8211; they don&#8217;t want bags sitting around for a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: godruelf</title>
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		<dc:creator>godruelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaulL you got that one right. Cullen and Co managed to Stick their noses in and stuff up the sale to Singapore. Unfortunately he wasnt as generous to the NZ shareholders as he was to the Aussie shareholders in Tranz Rail.
Countess govts on both sides of the tasman have screwed over AirNZ well and truly over the years. If it wasn&#039;t for Aussie Govt then AirNZ wouldn&#039;t have been interested in Ansett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulL you got that one right. Cullen and Co managed to Stick their noses in and stuff up the sale to Singapore. Unfortunately he wasnt as generous to the NZ shareholders as he was to the Aussie shareholders in Tranz Rail.<br />
Countess govts on both sides of the tasman have screwed over AirNZ well and truly over the years. If it wasn&#8217;t for Aussie Govt then AirNZ wouldn&#8217;t have been interested in Ansett.</p>
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		<title>By: brucehoult</title>
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		<dc:creator>brucehoult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same thing has happened to me every time I&#039;ve taken NZ7 from San Francisco to Auckland.</description>
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		<title>By: BlueDevil</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueDevil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard 
Agree about the 2 hour opening. Flying from Heathrow at 8am, tickets said arrive 3 hours before. Dragged everyone out of bed at 3am, checkout of Hotel, taxi to airport, arrive 5am, terminal empty - checking doesn&#039;t start till 6am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard<br />
Agree about the 2 hour opening. Flying from Heathrow at 8am, tickets said arrive 3 hours before. Dragged everyone out of bed at 3am, checkout of Hotel, taxi to airport, arrive 5am, terminal empty &#8211; checking doesn&#8217;t start till 6am.</p>
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		<title>By: EPMU</title>
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		<dc:creator>EPMU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could have just enjoyed the cornucopia (or is that pantheon) of pleasures on offer at Auckland Internal Airport while you waited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have just enjoyed the cornucopia (or is that pantheon) of pleasures on offer at Auckland Internal Airport while you waited.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Harman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Harman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Thai Airways contracts Air NZ to provide ground handling at the airport and that agreement will be covered by a service level agreement (SLA) The SLA&#039;s I have seen (and no I don&#039;t work for Air NZ and never have) are really specific and do include the time the counters need to be opened, how many counters must be open at that time and is policed heavily by the Airline Rep stationed at the port. I would expect this is the same for the Thai-Air NZ SLA. 

So your criticism of Air NZ might be misguided and you may want to enquire with Thai Airways and suggest to them that they open the counters eairler. However this would increase the cost to them and would then drive up the price of your ticket.

Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Thai Airways contracts Air NZ to provide ground handling at the airport and that agreement will be covered by a service level agreement (SLA) The SLA&#8217;s I have seen (and no I don&#8217;t work for Air NZ and never have) are really specific and do include the time the counters need to be opened, how many counters must be open at that time and is policed heavily by the Airline Rep stationed at the port. I would expect this is the same for the Thai-Air NZ SLA. </p>
<p>So your criticism of Air NZ might be misguided and you may want to enquire with Thai Airways and suggest to them that they open the counters eairler. However this would increase the cost to them and would then drive up the price of your ticket.</p>
<p>Ben</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bangkok City I guess. I dont&#039; know how long you are there but Baipai Thai Cooking School is worth checking out.
Translater is Mickey Pattip Aramrung, I know her personally. She will make you welcome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bangkok City I guess. I dont&#8217; know how long you are there but Baipai Thai Cooking School is worth checking out.<br />
Translater is Mickey Pattip Aramrung, I know her personally. She will make you welcome</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Countess, if the govt hadn&#039;t f&#039;d up the whole process, they would be owned by Singapore Airlines now, Ansett wouldn&#039;t have gone under, and we&#039;d have genuine competition across the Tasman.  Explain to me again how the govt saved our bacon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Countess, if the govt hadn&#8217;t f&#8217;d up the whole process, they would be owned by Singapore Airlines now, Ansett wouldn&#8217;t have gone under, and we&#8217;d have genuine competition across the Tasman.  Explain to me again how the govt saved our bacon?</p>
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		<title>By: Cadmus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cadmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPF, I&#039;m having trouble posting quality posts for debate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF, I&#8217;m having trouble posting quality posts for debate?</p>
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		<title>By: Countess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think how good they’d be if the government hadn’t nationalised them in 2001????

Hello Heard of bankruptcy . 
They nearly went under  during the blessings of private ownership. That never seems to count of course , but if the meal is cold
during government ownership there is hell to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think how good they’d be if the government hadn’t nationalised them in 2001????</p>
<p>Hello Heard of bankruptcy .<br />
They nearly went under  during the blessings of private ownership. That never seems to count of course , but if the meal is cold<br />
during government ownership there is hell to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David

Firstly 100% agree AirNZ overall is GREAT, in particular very innovative (super easy check in, space+, their new &quot;fast bag&quot; etc).

The open 3 hours b4 check is is quite standard.  It frustrated me no end when overseas to get to Airport early to be told the check in counter opens TWO hours b4 the flight left (had this with Qantas, and at more than one international airport).  Means lugging bags around for an hour or so then re-queuing to check in.

I haven&#039;t found any airport that will let you check in much more than 3 hours.  (especially the big ones - coz they would have thousands of pieces of luggage from potentially hundreds of different flights to store/sort.  The 3 hour window means they are just dealing with what&#039;s leaving &quot;now&quot;.

But agree its silly when their are staff at other counters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>Firstly 100% agree AirNZ overall is GREAT, in particular very innovative (super easy check in, space+, their new &#8220;fast bag&#8221; etc).</p>
<p>The open 3 hours b4 check is is quite standard.  It frustrated me no end when overseas to get to Airport early to be told the check in counter opens TWO hours b4 the flight left (had this with Qantas, and at more than one international airport).  Means lugging bags around for an hour or so then re-queuing to check in.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t found any airport that will let you check in much more than 3 hours.  (especially the big ones &#8211; coz they would have thousands of pieces of luggage from potentially hundreds of different flights to store/sort.  The 3 hour window means they are just dealing with what&#8217;s leaving &#8220;now&#8221;.</p>
<p>But agree its silly when their are staff at other counters.</p>
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		<title>By: sforshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>sforshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David

To be fair to Air New Zealand, this is likely because their customer airline - in this case, Thai - does not open their check-in till 3 hours prior to departure.  Remember, you are not checking in for an Air NZ flight.  This 3 hour check-in is the norm at airports which are not your home base and where the carrier may have only 1 or 2 flights per day. 

Where Air NZ provide customer handling for other airlines, they do so on term of contract, so actually, your grievance should be directed at Thai.  Even if you said the Air NZ staff should take the initiative, they may not be able to log into systems that allow them to check in for the Thai flight.  So it&#039;s best you vent at Thai, not Air NZ.

Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>To be fair to Air New Zealand, this is likely because their customer airline &#8211; in this case, Thai &#8211; does not open their check-in till 3 hours prior to departure.  Remember, you are not checking in for an Air NZ flight.  This 3 hour check-in is the norm at airports which are not your home base and where the carrier may have only 1 or 2 flights per day. </p>
<p>Where Air NZ provide customer handling for other airlines, they do so on term of contract, so actually, your grievance should be directed at Thai.  Even if you said the Air NZ staff should take the initiative, they may not be able to log into systems that allow them to check in for the Thai flight.  So it&#8217;s best you vent at Thai, not Air NZ.</p>
<p>Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: MikeNZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t fly ANZ internationally if i can help it.</description>
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