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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/catholics_and_girls_move_up_the_order.html#comment-636524</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Lucy Hansen 1t 11.13 pm on the cost of a Maori sovereign  &quot;...cheap! A couple of blankets, an axe or two…&quot;

Must be a different member of the Lucy consortium to the ones who chatter on about racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Lucy Hansen 1t 11.13 pm on the cost of a Maori sovereign  &#8220;&#8230;cheap! A couple of blankets, an axe or two…&#8221;</p>
<p>Must be a different member of the Lucy consortium to the ones who chatter on about racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Flashman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see that Brown is so on top of his job that he can spend time on this slick-fisted pc trivia.

Yes- let&#039;s make NZ a republic.  That way Helen Clark can ultimately return to the homeland and supplant the GG as our new figurehead State President.  A Latin American presidential sash really goes well with trouser suits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see that Brown is so on top of his job that he can spend time on this slick-fisted pc trivia.</p>
<p>Yes- let&#8217;s make NZ a republic.  That way Helen Clark can ultimately return to the homeland and supplant the GG as our new figurehead State President.  A Latin American presidential sash really goes well with trouser suits.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael E (260) Vote:  1   0   Says: 
November 26th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
We have a separate act that covers this, we could technically change our own legislation for a new Queen/King if we didn’t like the British sucession. But as we have a double eldest male sucession coming up, this is probably the time to do it before the next generation in line appears.

I’m in favour of keeping the British royal family as our Head of State, but if republicism is done right I can live with it. At the moment there doesn’t appear to be any clarity about how NZ could proceed on this, do we want an Irish model, a French model, or a US model?
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Indeed. My greatest concern about changing our constitutional arrangements is that the entire process becomes a means to give politicians and interest groups yet more power with out any checks or balances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael E (260) Vote:  1   0   Says:<br />
November 26th, 2009 at 8:05 pm<br />
We have a separate act that covers this, we could technically change our own legislation for a new Queen/King if we didn’t like the British sucession. But as we have a double eldest male sucession coming up, this is probably the time to do it before the next generation in line appears.</p>
<p>I’m in favour of keeping the British royal family as our Head of State, but if republicism is done right I can live with it. At the moment there doesn’t appear to be any clarity about how NZ could proceed on this, do we want an Irish model, a French model, or a US model?<br />
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<p>Indeed. My greatest concern about changing our constitutional arrangements is that the entire process becomes a means to give politicians and interest groups yet more power with out any checks or balances.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not just make the Maori King (or Queen) our Head of State...so easy.

And cheap!  A couple of blankets, an axe or two...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not just make the Maori King (or Queen) our Head of State&#8230;so easy.</p>
<p>And cheap!  A couple of blankets, an axe or two&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kiki</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a New Zealand model</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a New Zealand model</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a separate act that covers this, we could technically change our own legislation for a new Queen/King if we didn&#039;t like the British sucession.  But as we have a double eldest male sucession coming up, this is probably the time to do it before the next generation in line appears.

I&#039;m in favour of keeping the British royal family as our Head of State, but if republicism is done right I can live with it.  At the moment there doesn&#039;t appear to be any clarity about how NZ could proceed on this, do we want an Irish model, a French model, or a US model?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a separate act that covers this, we could technically change our own legislation for a new Queen/King if we didn&#8217;t like the British sucession.  But as we have a double eldest male sucession coming up, this is probably the time to do it before the next generation in line appears.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in favour of keeping the British royal family as our Head of State, but if republicism is done right I can live with it.  At the moment there doesn&#8217;t appear to be any clarity about how NZ could proceed on this, do we want an Irish model, a French model, or a US model?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re MyNameisJack t 4.08....

The effective head of state in NZ is the Prime Minister. The Governor-General, effectively appointed by the Government, is a symbolic figure with no real power at all. The Queen is one step removed from that, a symbol for stamps and coins etc, and provider of a family that feeds the NZ populace&#039;s need for world-leading celebrities occasionally. The Royal family link is also a cultural symbol of the British and Maori treaty and understanding that underpins this country.

If MyNameisJack had his way, we would move from an exceedingly economical political structure of a de facto republic, to an expensive full republic, with another layer of bureaucracy and political lackeys. In all likely we would end up with presidents like Helen the Horrid.

That would be a thousand times more bizarre than our present symbolic heads of state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re MyNameisJack t 4.08&#8230;.</p>
<p>The effective head of state in NZ is the Prime Minister. The Governor-General, effectively appointed by the Government, is a symbolic figure with no real power at all. The Queen is one step removed from that, a symbol for stamps and coins etc, and provider of a family that feeds the NZ populace&#8217;s need for world-leading celebrities occasionally. The Royal family link is also a cultural symbol of the British and Maori treaty and understanding that underpins this country.</p>
<p>If MyNameisJack had his way, we would move from an exceedingly economical political structure of a de facto republic, to an expensive full republic, with another layer of bureaucracy and political lackeys. In all likely we would end up with presidents like Helen the Horrid.</p>
<p>That would be a thousand times more bizarre than our present symbolic heads of state.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we had a meaningful Bill of Rights then this provision might be considered contrary to it and therefore unconstitutional in the sense that it would contravene our Bill of Rights.  As it is we have a toothless document full of platitudes.  Time to sever the links with the United Kingdom and entrench a real document that is representatative of current New Zealand rights and values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we had a meaningful Bill of Rights then this provision might be considered contrary to it and therefore unconstitutional in the sense that it would contravene our Bill of Rights.  As it is we have a toothless document full of platitudes.  Time to sever the links with the United Kingdom and entrench a real document that is representatative of current New Zealand rights and values.</p>
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		<title>By: waldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>waldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murray, I&#039;ll think you will find that the title &#039;Defender of the faith&#039; was given to Henry VIII for his support of the One True Faith before he developed his taste for women who were not his wife. 

Should a Catholic return to the throne, the monarch will finally be defending the faith they were meant to defend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murray, I&#8217;ll think you will find that the title &#8216;Defender of the faith&#8217; was given to Henry VIII for his support of the One True Faith before he developed his taste for women who were not his wife. </p>
<p>Should a Catholic return to the throne, the monarch will finally be defending the faith they were meant to defend.</p>
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		<title>By: scrubone</title>
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		<dc:creator>scrubone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t bizarre when it was put in place - the pope had a lot of power over members of the Roman (people always forget that word) Catholic church.

It&#039;s one of those things which could only ever be removed *when* it was bizarre. Sort of like the laws in the old south forbidding calling out the words &quot;hey boy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t bizarre when it was put in place &#8211; the pope had a lot of power over members of the Roman (people always forget that word) Catholic church.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of those things which could only ever be removed *when* it was bizarre. Sort of like the laws in the old south forbidding calling out the words &#8220;hey boy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MyNameIsJack</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyNameIsJack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It has been bizarre that Catholics have been barred from becoming the New Zealand Head of State.&lt;/i&gt;

I find it far more bizarre that New Zealanders have been barred from becoming the New Zealand Head of State</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It has been bizarre that Catholics have been barred from becoming the New Zealand Head of State.</i></p>
<p>I find it far more bizarre that New Zealanders have been barred from becoming the New Zealand Head of State</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah Lineberry</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/catholics_and_girls_move_up_the_order.html#comment-636248</link>
		<dc:creator>Elijah Lineberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems all a bit academic as it presupposes a member of the Royal Family somehow being a Roman Catholic.

The Telegraph may as well have run a story saying &quot;Mr Brown has paved the way for removing any impediment for people who live in Temuka, New Zealand ascending the Throne...&quot; 

or 

&quot;Mr Brown has paved the way for removing any impediment for people who have been to the moon ascending the Throne...&quot;

www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems all a bit academic as it presupposes a member of the Royal Family somehow being a Roman Catholic.</p>
<p>The Telegraph may as well have run a story saying &#8220;Mr Brown has paved the way for removing any impediment for people who live in Temuka, New Zealand ascending the Throne&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>or </p>
<p>&#8220;Mr Brown has paved the way for removing any impediment for people who have been to the moon ascending the Throne&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: backster</title>
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		<dc:creator>backster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr Brown has made it clear he also wants to change the rule of primogeniture, which prevents women taking their place ahead of men in the line to the throne.&quot;

What next!! Maybe it will be a big chief like Hone H. insisting women can sit beside men and speak on a Marae..Outrageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr Brown has made it clear he also wants to change the rule of primogeniture, which prevents women taking their place ahead of men in the line to the throne.&#8221;</p>
<p>What next!! Maybe it will be a big chief like Hone H. insisting women can sit beside men and speak on a Marae..Outrageous.</p>
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		<title>By: OECD rank 22 kiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>OECD rank 22 kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Settlement_1701&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Act of Settlement 1701&lt;/a&gt; exists for a reason.

England and by default New Zealand are better off because of its existance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Settlement_1701" rel="nofollow">Act of Settlement 1701</a> exists for a reason.</p>
<p>England and by default New Zealand are better off because of its existance.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Britain could elect a monarch every few years, but it might get block voting from Muslims for an Emir, from gays and transvestites for a male queen, or from the lefties for some socialist nob. 

Better to make the post as symbolic and powerless as Gov-General is in NZ, and follow us into becoming a de facto republic, but keeping castles and airheads for the tabloids, tabloid TV,  and girlie magazines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Britain could elect a monarch every few years, but it might get block voting from Muslims for an Emir, from gays and transvestites for a male queen, or from the lefties for some socialist nob. </p>
<p>Better to make the post as symbolic and powerless as Gov-General is in NZ, and follow us into becoming a de facto republic, but keeping castles and airheads for the tabloids, tabloid TV,  and girlie magazines.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the defender of the faith not actually being of that faith. Your logic is not like our earth logic David.

Does Brown not actually have anythign important to do? I&#039;m sure his troops in combat would like it if he spent some time actually giving them the equipment they need to stay alive instead of arsing about trying to lift his ratings with a dead cat bounce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the defender of the faith not actually being of that faith. Your logic is not like our earth logic David.</p>
<p>Does Brown not actually have anythign important to do? I&#8217;m sure his troops in combat would like it if he spent some time actually giving them the equipment they need to stay alive instead of arsing about trying to lift his ratings with a dead cat bounce.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s bizarre Gordon Brown has anything to do with our constitutional arrangements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s bizarre Gordon Brown has anything to do with our constitutional arrangements.</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;It has been bizarre that Catholics have been barred from becoming the New Zealand Head of State.

It is equally bizarre that Gordon Brown is driving a change to New Zealand&#039;s constitutional arrangements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;It has been bizarre that Catholics have been barred from becoming the New Zealand Head of State.</p>
<p>It is equally bizarre that Gordon Brown is driving a change to New Zealand&#8217;s constitutional arrangements.</p>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
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		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, a Papist banned from being the head of the Church of England.  Whatever next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, a Papist banned from being the head of the Church of England.  Whatever next.</p>
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		<title>By: daveski</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we not ban Scientologists instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we not ban Scientologists instead?</p>
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