Comment No 500,000
November 1st, 2009 at 5:45 pm by David FarrarWe had comment No 500,000 made this morning. Pete George clocked up the milestone.
Hate to think how many words that represents. Let’s just say lots.
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November 1st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Thank God it wasn’t Phool that did it.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Pete George (aka Cerium to his old mates), congratulations – you have been selected as this weeks winner – your prize – a trip to the island.
Cue soft music with Scarlett Johansson in something provocative.
Typical that comment number 500,000 is something about the All Blacks.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 6:30 pm
493,500 unless you’re counting Phool’s mindless screeds of full stops as comments ?
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Still awaiting sensible comment number 1,000 though.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Hey MT_Tinman – haven’t seen you over at the cyclist-bashing threads. Have you made your peace with the lycra wearers?!?
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 6:57 pm
VERY well done DPF for single-handedly creating such an influential and popular forum that over the years has grown from “who?” to columns in NBR, regular mention and appearance on MSM, and I’m sure recognition on the street and shouts in pubs.
It’s not easy I’m sure to day after day create a stream of consciousness that day after day draws thousands of hits in a country this small.
Modesty forbids I’m sure but it would be most interesting to on a per-capita basis, review your unique hit readership relative to other major overseas blogs.
KB has grown in leaps and bounds since I first looked at it back in, I think, 2002. It has always only had one author – the credit is yours and yours alone.
In terms of influence, the EFA is IMO your most shining hour to date, I also acknowledge Whale and others who share equally credit for defeating that anaethema.
Fact is, you’re head and shoulders above the rest. Others have certain qualities, of more or less value, but overall, you’re simply the best, better than all the rest.
Well done.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Your would think that after 500000 comments we would have the system running like a well oiled machine but no!. The same problems, the same solutions, the same answers, the same outcome, crap. It’s claimed that politicians sometimes read these pages, could have fucking fooled me. While I do not profess to be the full chilly bin it seems to me that our present government is willing to follow in the wake of SS Liarbore. I know they are trying but from where i sit time seems to be a very precious commodity and it’s getting pissed away. I suspect that 500000 comments will be but a start and after another 500000 more we will be arguing the same issues, I guess that is the way it is supposed to be.
Well done David, will by you a beer one day and well done Pete, you lucky bastard, I’m now trying for the million mark
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 7:02 pm
“Fact is, you’re head and shoulders above the rest. ”
David has started to wear stilts? Good grief! What one has to do to get on top of things these days.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 7:03 pm
reid – hear hear! DPF has cemented his place in the NZ media halls of fame with his 6 years of Fomenting Happy Mischief. Kiwiblog has changed how I consider, consume and engage with news. I bearly consider the MSM an acceptable content source.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Well done DPF- I don’t always (or even often) agree with your philosophy but I admire your output (you must get up very early on weekends) and always find your thoughts interesting and challenging.
I don’t know how you get around the halfists out there (you’re either for us or against us)- but hopefully everyone will be free to put their ideas accross free of discrimination and insult.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Yep DPF, most accolades should be for you, for making it happen and enabling it to continue (the rest to everyone that contributes). The best thing about Kiwiblog, following your example, is being a conduit to inform and debate while accepting alternate views, maintaining a uniform right to speak, and treating bloggers as if they were your neighbour or workmate.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Big thanks David for the forum that is only moderated with a high level of tolerance and therefore allows even a bigoted old fart like me to indulge myself from time to time. We all have a list of fellow commenters who could be loosely described as ‘ENOS’ -e knows everything and gives you the shits, but that we can all live here is testament to your tolerance and contribution to debating the issues and illuminates the sterility of other blogs where paranoia and fear of alternate views leads to bans, deletions and warnings.. The fact that you receive flak from across the spectrum of opinion gives credence to the open forum you host. Thankyou again and I look forward to the million mark.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 7:41 pm
“getstaffed (4037) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 1st, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Hey MT_Tinman – haven’t seen you over at the cyclist-bashing threads. Have you made your peace with the lycra wearers?!?
”
Too busy doing my best to take the bastards out to write comments.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 8:35 pm
gravedodger,
It really is great here with those who opinionise. Deletions and warnings are warranted by the owner, unlike that other blog blert.
Phillip Ure has his say, so does Sideshowbob, D4J, Put it away, Big Bruv, Chthoniid etc etc.
No offense if you are not on that short list, I rarely comment but I read Kiwiblog each day.
I’m stuffed if I know how some of you get demerits, lack of control?
Oh yeah the cyclists can comment when they pay tax, and motor vehicle tax is a cop out for you leeches
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Given that I commented two minutes before Pete George’s “money comment”, perhaps I can lay claim to comment #499,999, which is just as special and unique!
Anyway, well done DPF – Kiwiblog sets ths standard (no pun intended), and the rest of us are mere followers. I’m sure that your second half-million comments will arrive a whole lot faster, although there may be a lull if Phil has to get a job
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Without #499,999 the 500k wouldn’t have been possible.
Everyone here is special and unique. And no, no one is specialer than others. I was going to also put uniquer but that looks a bit too close to a homosexual wanker.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pm
It won’t be so easy to get to the next 500,000 if the left wing vultures circling over the corpse of free speech have their way. All over the blogosphere, the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog. That they are not the paramount source of information and comment is a state of affairs that drives them to distraction.
They will do anything to try and bring about a change to this circumstance. They will cloak their true intent in fine words and phrases, and portray themselves as protectors of free speech, but the reality is, the left have to have control of the discourse or their political ambitions will fail. Beware, for the worst is yet to come.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 9:51 pm
“..All over the blogosphere, the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog..”
shit..!..are we ‘accelerating’..?
i never got the memo..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Redbaiter is right of course, but that does not detract from your super-human and I guess, solitary efforts here to shore-up democracy on behalf of all NZ’rs . A hat tip and a bow to you DPF.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Congratulations.
You combine quantity and quality with your posts. Some of the commenters manage one but not both.
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Can you cite anything specific to support this assertion?
Vote:November 1st, 2009 at 11:40 pm
“Can you cite anything specific to support this assertion?”
I could if I wanted to, however in this instance, its more important that you are disabused of the notion that I post here to be interrogated by arrogant ignoramuses, so intellectually limp they have little to offer apart from infantile questions.
If you do not know what the left are saying, then find out for yourself.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 am
Congrats David. CairnsBlog was inspired by KiwiBlog, and as a result, much better
.. well, more pretty pix! Keep the bastards honest!!
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 am
Good stuff DPF.
Can’t sleep, clown will eat me.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 am
In this day and age, when to become a cultural icon in Godzone often tends to begin and end with wearing a sharp suit and fleecing the brain-dead with impunity, it is refreshing to see an example of one who has made a real cultural impact on his country. Your blog has inspired (or spawned) imitators and emulators and has in the process always outshone those others by virtue of being simply better, more open-minded and accepting of a range of opinions. If criticised, you come back and debate, rather than belittle and ban, and if attacked, you reason and engage, rather than detract and dismiss. These are why other blogs that may attack you for your political views, always fall short of your editorial standards.
Not only have you had a significant sultural impact on the media in this country David, you have also wielded significant political influence – in particular in your leadership over the EFB/EFA. So thanks for that.
The only teensy criticism I might add is that you never acknowledge the white-hot searing intellectual brilliance of monkey with typewriters in your blog-bits.
Otherwise it would have been ten out of ten.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 6:28 am
Whoops almost forgot. And here is the plug – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2009/11/congratulations-to-kiwi-blog-on-half.html
Vote:with thnx – Lee MWT
November 2nd, 2009 at 6:59 am
No RB, you post here to try and promote some sort of revolution that you refuse to explain, apart from seeming to want to defeat some sort of limply defined enemy. You don’t like having your arrogance exposed, and you don’t like your infantile conspiracy theories questioned.
With all the research you do I’d have thought you’d have worked out that to initiate a popular revolution you need to become popular. You have a bit of a fan club here (although none of them will engage in real debate over your grand delusions) but you need to look to someone like Brian Tamaki for an example of how to attract and retain a modest number of dedicated devotees. Abusing and sneering at any valid questioning will probably only attract followers who like abusing and sneering.
NZ is quite different to the US. We don’t have widespread deepseated dissatisfaction with our government. Most Christians here are not a mass of misguided sheep, they are ordinary people who happen to have a faith. We don’t have radio hosts with a free range to preach bullshit. We don’t have opinion based tv programs with popular followings. We don’t have a Palinesque ex chairperson of the Stewart Island community board winking at a bunch of gullibles having her strings pulled. We only have Redbaiter popping up every now and then hoping to get a karma or two, waiting for some US insanity to come our way.
By example DPF promotes openness and honesty about one’s connections and motives. You could learn a lot from him, or do you just want to keep hitching a ride on his popularity to try and advance your own furtive futility?
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 8:10 am
500,000 comments X some words = “lots”.
Congratulations, you just passed NCEA.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 8:16 am
I calculate it at 1.5 metric arseloads of words.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 am
shit..!..are we ‘accelerating’..?
i never got the memo..!
tsk
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 am
OK, I think you’re saying “no”.
I do. But I haven’t seen this plot you speak of. Hence my question. You don’t seem to like anyone questioning your swingeing accusations. Why is that?
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 9:39 am
RedBaiter, I’ve been thinking more about your problem. If you want to post your stuff on the internet without pesky infantile questions, why don’t you set-up your own blog? And disable comments. Or just ban progressives (you’ll be able to spot ‘em).
Oh, hang on. You rant and rave when when someone dares to ban you from their blog, for doing noting more than asking questions, making valid points and exposing the International Conspiracy of Progressives to Ruin Everything. Bugger. Consistency. What a bastard consistency is. Never mind. Just ignore it.
It would only take 5 minutes to set-up your blog. I can give you hand if you want. Hey, look:
RedbaitersManifesto.blogspot.com is available!
That’s fate. It’ll be cool. It’ll be like what it would be like if you came out of your bedroom and Sarah Palin was standing there. In her hunting gear. But with her top button undone. And a manifesto button for RedBaiters Revolution Against Everything proudly pinned to her left breast. It’ll be beautiful. And you’ll be the leader. Of everything. And no one will ask any questions. You won’t let them. Freedom from infantile questions!
Think about RedBaiter. You could have that blog today. In whatever colour you like. Just like Peter Cresswell. You’d be Lord of your own domain (well, actually a sub-domain, but you know what I mean). Also you could pick a nice font and not have that hideous Statue of Liberty image taking up valuable real estate.
It’ll be beautiful.
cheers
Malcolm
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 11:50 am
Wow, all those words and all that effort (from Petey and Mal). On a Monday morning too. Shame I couldn’t give a damn for your tedious criticism and your narrow little left wing PC viewpoints ain’t it??
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
In that case, why do you get so grumpy and abusive when asked a question?
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
It’s OK Malcolm, you have just become another member of red’s moron & arrogant ignoramuses club….welcome, come on in, sit a spell, have a refreshing cold dose of red’s arrogance.
It’s fun in here.
I actually like some of red’s more moderate comments (few and far between but)
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
(pssttt!!!..’he’s-got-anger-issues..i think..’..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
“In that case, why do you get so grumpy and abusive when asked a question?”
If you want to debate the issue fine. I’m not here to answer questions rooted in naiveté and ignorance. I do not have the time or the inclination. Either make your case for the contrary or go away.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Lofty, I’ve probably mis-selected my tone. I enjoy conversations with RedBaiter. He makes me laugh. It’s like trying to tease out an angry old tomcat who’s got stuck under your house.
Like most I come here for information, debate, enlightenment and exposure to other viewpoints. And I like to have a little fun as well.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:08 pm
The case so far is no evidence has been produced that supports this.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Red be honest..you are not here to answer ANY questions..fullstop.. All questions are rooted in your opinion.
Many have tried (including myself), to engage with you and endeavour to understand where you are coming from, but your tolerance level and arrogance excell to the degree you come across as unapproachable.
How on earth readers are supposed to debate or even discuss issues with you is beyond me!
I await the moron label yet again.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I did. You said “the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog.” That is interesting to me. Hence I asked if you could provide some more information.
Then you went all funny.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I await the moron label yet again.
That’s what a snivelling pseudo-liberal ignoramus WOULD say.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Stephen, do you agree or disagree that “all over the blogosphere, the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog”?
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Asking infantile questions is not “debating”. If you doubt the information then make a case for your POV. Or fuck off. I don’t need any attention seeking narcissists wasting my precious time.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Heh, thanks stephen pardon me while I wipe away the snivel.
Malcolm.. red’s about as funny as kick in the nuts!!
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
“Asking infantile questions is not “debating”. If you doubt the information then make a case for your POV. Or fuck off. I don’t need any attention seeking narcissists wasting my precious time”.
Woohoo classic redbaiter, this is really entertaining red thanks.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Trying to shut down debate again? Are you actually a leftie in disguise, and are you proving your own point?
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Wow!
Looks like we’ll get to the next 500,000 on this thread alone!
[pretend there was a little smiley face there - how do you do that link post / smiley thing?]
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
stephen you are gettin negative karma, don’t know why i thought it was funny (is that what a snivelling pseudo-liberal ignoramus WOULD say)?
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
If the question is infantile, you could rebut it. Easily. That’s debate. That you can’t or won’t support your assertions, suggests that they’re baseless. See. That’s more debate.
Debate is where you support your assertions. Making a statement, then abusing anyone who questions it, isn’t really debate.
But hey-ho, anything goes on Kiwiblog. That’s what we like about it.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Gotta have an objective davinci. Mines 500, getting closer thanks to Red
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
“Trying to shut down debate again?”
Are you completely devoid of brain tissue?? An empty skull on a stick?? I gave him the option- argue his point of view or stop wasting my time. Only a deranged commie could turn that into “shutting down debate again”.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
This is fun. Keep it up. [smiley!]
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Abuse- always the leftists favourite resort. Whenever they’re embarrassed by their lack of argument, they reach for that old standard “abuse”. Its why I win so often. I know they’re always going to go for it, and lose the main argument. (You should work where I work you pathetic wimp, you’d be running off in tears in thirty seconds.)
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Further evidence you must really be a leftie?
…wait, there’s more….
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Hey pete.. butt out you have had your 15 minutes of fame today
Just kidding..
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Pete, you should learn that changing the meaning of another poster’s messages by cutting and quoting them out of context is something only whiny little losers do.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
the great philosopher barrie humphries..
has noted the use of the smiley-face..
is a clear indicator of psycho-pathology..
so..fan-of-crap-conspiracy-novel..
your desire is noted/understood..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
But to be fair Mr ‘baiter, he did only ask a question and it wasn’t framed in the classic “where is your evidence peer reviewed by some bolloxy old academcs who are equally supportive of the other extreme of the argument” type of question that requires one to waste a decade ferreting around on the interweb.
In the circs it didn’t seem out of order … or do you think he was going for the supplementary slam-dunk?
Just a thought, is all.
But I’ll just stay out of it and enjoy the show! [smiley face - how DO you do that stuff??]
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I would love to work with you Red, you are my kind of guy, (in a macho kind of way of course) and I am not bought to tears easily either.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Over to you then lofty, if you can actually get a debate going with RB rather than just have a slanging match you will earn your own fame.
But I can’t resist…
one more wee cut and quote, but I think this one is in context and speaks for itself.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Redbaiter [November 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pm],
I have to concur 100% with the above.
Vote:To even suggest that this is not the case is worse than naive; it is disengenuous (Malcolm).
It is apparent to regular commenters here, if not the average 15 year old, that the socialist left’s greatest enemy is free-speech. And the fact that DPF is able to express his own views, and allows us to express our views is, I’m sure, a continual slap in the face to those that would not only inhibit, but remove entirley, our right to express our views in what is (currently) a free democratic country.
November 2nd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
davinci… colon + hyphen + parenthesis
Give it a test
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Ah, little maggie. Shouldn’t you be dusting off your CV for Paula.
Here, let me do it.
Name: Mad Magpie and Gatherer of Someone Elses Shiny Bits.
Hatched: Yes
Qualifications: None
Employment history: None
Interests: Bludging; indolence; justifying my employment history
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
“Over to you then lofty, if you can actually get a debate going with RB rather than just have a slanging match you will earn your own fame”.
I have tried in the past pete, with stunning failure, I give up.
I am doomed to the slag heap of unknowns…. oh well.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Leonardo. Right click on any smiley, go properties, alternate text. That will tell you what to type in to get that face.
Phuck Phools risen from his post lunch snooze.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
But Kris, have you seen any evidence of free speech being restricted on Kiwiblog?
Apart from some very frugal edits and demerits from DPF but I don’t know if he would appreciate being lumped in with the supposed lefty plotters.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
no, the little yellow thingy
Kris K – we know that Klerk started on that process and floated further initatives in that regard, but really? I’ll agree that the pinkies are a bit dog on the free speech unless its their speech, but shutting the media and blogs done is a bit of a hard ask at the moment. Consider the prospect again in twenty years time if they still exist.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
“But to be fair Mr ‘baiter, he did only ask a question”
Its all he ever does. He never has the balls to make an assertion to the contrary and back it up with argument. Questions are easy. Its why they’re most often asked by children.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Johnboy
Now you’re teasing me you meanie. You’ve hurt my feelings.
I think I’ll do without – its not really my style anyway.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I don’t feel any restriction to my freedom to express myself on Kiwiblog as long as I keep within minimal and reasonable guidelines as set by the non-leftie administrator. No one else has presented any evidence that anyone else has their free speech restricted here either.
And to some, answers seem to be very difficult.
This seems to have been much ado about nothing, but it has been amusing.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
“But Kris, have you seen any evidence of free speech being restricted on Kiwiblog? ”
That’s not the damn argument idiot. Its not Mr. Farrar that is the problem, its those leftists pontificating on most left wing blogs that advocate for control of freedom of expression. Its almost all they ever do. It drives them crazy that they cannot stop discussions that shine slight on their true objectives. As their situation gets more desperate, it is a sure thing they will intensify their efforts.
Kris- thanks for the jewel of common sense in a desert otherwise barren of any real information.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Pete George 3:49 pm,
I believe DPF has had pressure brought to bare regarding his allowing anonomous posting, and the relatively free speech he permits on Kiwblog. Wasn’t one of his trials the reason behind you changing your posting name from ‘Cerium’?
thedavincimode 3:54 pm,
Perhaps at the moment – but imagine if Klark had gotten in for a fourth term.
Vote:Or imagine when Labour regains the role of government.
And 20 years isn’t that far away in the scheme of things.
November 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Indeed, like Kiwiblog being brow-beaten by contributors to Public Address in the regular media.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
The trial that didn’t happen was a catalyst, but I preferred to use my own name anyway (using it is not restricting my freedom of speech). I first came to Kiwiblog for a specific purpose, decided to have a wee dabble and used a pseudonym – it’s been my standard practice on the net, to start anonymously. But it didn’t take me long to be drawn in, become fascinated and start to post regularly. I was thinking of how to switch to my name and DPF created an easy opportunity.
It seems ironic that Redbaiter says things like “They will cloak their true intent in fine words and phrases” – anonymously. If he is legitimate and believes so passionately in what he writes I would have thought he would be open enough to identify himself. For all we know he could just be playing internet games for his own amusement (not that he displays much amusement). Or he could be Sarah Palin in disguise setting the groundwork for her next conquest after the US.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Pete George 4:25 pm,
Pete, to make that statement you are in fact tarring all ‘anonomous’ commenters here with the same brush. I have my reasons, and I’m sure Redbaiter has his.
I believe most anonomous commenters here do not hide behind their anonimity – I know I don’t. I always try to ensure that whatever I say here I would also be prepared to say in person. As I am often outspoken about Islam, etc I am not keen on possibly having my house fire bombed by an offended Muslim. Another issue is that I can comment openly without affecting possible employment opportunities as I might if I used my actual name. Having said that, my Christian name is indeed Kris.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
I don’t have a problem with people using pseudonyms, that’s their choice, for a variety of reasons. I don’t have any reason to doubt your genuineness, that’s go a lot to do with your willingness to discuss and debate, your acceptance of other views, and the fact you aren’t abusive. Most anonymous posters come across as genuine. But some seem to hide behind their anonymity to abuse and attack characters, like muggers wearing hoodies.
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
9 comments from RedBaiter since I asked if he could cite any evidence to support his statement: “All over the blogosphere, the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog.”
Yet nothing. Except huff and puff.
Conclusion? 1] He has no evidence, otherwise he would have given it. 2] He either believes what he says, in the absence of any evidence. In which case he’s delusional. Alternately he knows there is no evidence, yet makes the assertion anyway as it suits his agenda. And if anyone questions him, he can just huff and puff and blow them away.
What the hell. One last time. RedBaiter, can you cite any evidence to support your statement: “All over the blogosphere, the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog.”?
Can you answer that question without abuse or obfuscation?
Vote:November 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
“Conclusion? 1] He has no evidence, otherwise he would have given it”
Are you really so stupid as to not understand what I am saying. I said all I really needed to say to you in my first response. I feel under no compulsion to provide a whining little child like you with the damn “evidence” you are too damn lazy to seek out yourself.
I don’t care whether you believe me or not. Believe what you want. If you believe there is no evidence, and this is the reason I do not respond to your question then so be it.
You’re obviously too damn dumb to understand otherwise, for if you’d even read half of what I have said above (most notably my comment at 3:55) you would comprehend why I choose not to dance to the tune of rank fools like you.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:07 am
malcolm, that’s a no
In fairness to Red I believe controlling governments the world over have a growing distaste for the ‘democratisize’ voice of blogs.
Knowledge is power, so losing control of what knowledge is shared equates to a loss of power.
Of course if China removes all censorship and North Korea contracts for Google kiosks in public squares the I’ll stand corrected.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 am
I agree that governments generally like to try and control the message. But that’s a lot different to Redbaiter’s completely unsupported assertion that “All over the blogosphere, the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog.” He knows damn well he can’t back that up with anything of substance.
It’s ironic though that here now in NZ the reality flies in the face of all of that. John Key comes across as more open and honest than most MPs. And Kiwiblog, with openly government connections, is about as open a blog as you could get with no sign of increasing restrictions. Of course that doesn’t fit with conspiracy theories but it is reality.
Redbaiter often does exactly what he accuses others of. So, maybe he is all over the blogosphere, accelerating his efforts to shut down democracy.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 9:34 am
The Emperorbaiter has no clothes. But is he delusional or mendacious?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
Pete George. Sorry, but of course I can’t respond to your erudite observations as that would expose our devious and orchestrated plan to crush liberty, free speech and all that is good in the world, by the most heinous act of asking RedBaiter to cite evidence to support his assertion.
Oh, bugger.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 9:40 am
“He knows damn well he can’t back that up with anything of substance.”
A lie. You know damn well that is not why I have not responded to Malcolm’s demands. I merely make my own choice as to whom I should spend time responding to. Whining little brain fucked liberals who can’t ever muster a counter argument but can only ask questions in the manner of a four year old child just don’t make the cut.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
“..As I am often outspoken about Islam, etc I am not keen on possibly having my house fire bombed by an offended Muslim. .”
yeah..!..there is a lot of that going on ..eh..?
so..you use your prejudices as the reason to snivel behind a fake-name..eh..?
slippery as a fucken eel..you lot..eh..?
“..Another issue is that I can comment openly without affecting possible employment opportunities as I might if I used my actual name..”
well..yeah..!.
that’s understandable..
you wouldn’t want any sane person..looking for another sane person..
seeing the unmitigated drivel you post here..eh..?
‘cos you know..
that they would regard you as a raving dingbat..
and show you the door..
eh..?
‘kris’..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 9:59 am
Malcolm asked, he didn’t demand. I don’t know why you haven’t given a reasonable response, you earlier said “I do not have the time or the inclination.” You have spent plenty of time waffling about not responding, so the time excuse was a lie. So that just leaves inclination – and you frequently seem to feel inclined to avoid backing up preposterous claims with anything apart of substance, instead you choose arrogance and abuse.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:02 am
Pete, your contribution to this discussion has been founded in complete dishonesty. There is not a comment above where you have not made some deliberately dishonest claim or attempted to distort what I have said by cutting and pasting out of context. Go away. You’re coming across as a coward and a bore with nothing of substance to say on the issue.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:13 am
That is exactly how you come across, you refuse to contribute anything of substance on the issue you raised.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 am
“That is exactly how you come across,”
Funny ain’t how you conveniently overlook your own rank dishonesty, in every message. Nobody else on the thread is so guilty of such repeated deceit.
I have made it quite clear why I choose not to respond to the interrogation of posters I have little respect for, and have never wavered from this.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
RedBaiter, can you cite an example of Pete’s rank dishonesty in this chain of comments?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Time you got control if your obsession with questions that merely demonstrate rank ignorance and low comprehension skills.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:32 am
I’ll take that as another “no”, then.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 am
you and redbaiter both..eh kris k..?
both of you too gutless to put your names to the drivel you post here..
meh..!
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 am
If you point out any message where I have been deceitful I will respond. Otherwise I’ll assume this is more hot air you won’t substantiate.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:35 am
RedBaiter, can you answer a single, simple question on any of your frequent assertions, without abuse or obfuscation?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:37 am
“I’ll take that as another “no”, then.”
Of course you will. As I have already said, low comprehnsion skills and ignorance are your stock in trade.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:38 am
well..he hasn’t since 2005..
(it’s always been that (woo..!..hoo..!..tinfoil-hat-alert!) commie-conspiracy crap..or personal abuse..)
so..i wouldn’t hold yr breath for an answer now..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
and yes..!..red went with the ‘personal abuse’..
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:39 am
I must say I’ve enjoyed watching phool and delirium wail and get their knickers in a twist.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
“RedBaiter, can you answer a single, simple question on any of your frequent assertions, without abuse or obfuscation?”
Here’s what you should do you pathetic child. If you suspect I am wrong in any of my assertions, for example the claim that left wing blogs are accelerating their efforts to get Kiwiblog shutdown, you should make the effort to visit a few left wing blogs, seek out evidence for or against, and come back and make your case.
As I have said now almost a dozen times, I am not here to be interrogated by posters who demonstrate all of the ignorance and shallowness of an ankle biting four year old.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
Red, why do you post to a debate blog when you don’t want to debate? Your should try:
AgendaPostersAnonymous.com
Hurf, it doesn’t twist my knickers, but I think Red gets so twisted he must wear longjohns.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
plus there are also the ‘day of reckoning’ fantasies he gets a boner over..
they are trotted out on a regular basis..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
have you warned dpf yet..?..red..?
you’d better..!..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
you are mistaking outright laughter/mild bemusement..for knicker twisting..there..hurf..
but then again..
there is a lot you ‘mistake’..
eh..?
this we already know..
i think it’s a race between you and blount..
for uncomprehending-git-of-the-month..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
“Red, why do you post to a debate blog when you don’t want to debate?”
See. More rank deceit. You do it every post. A sign of the chronic narcissism that compels you to seek attention by whatever means you can. Same disease as afflicts PhilU.
I have never said that I do not want to debate. To say I have is a lie. I have merely stated my objection to dealing with the unnecessary questions of lazy children.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
and everyone in the world..witth the exception of the holy trinity..beck/palin/limbaugh..and of course..your good self..
is a ‘child’..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:52 am
I love the idea of phool saying I have difficulty comprehending stuff.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Baiter buzz-word of the day: Rank.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 am
RedBaiter, you need evidence to support your assertion.
I don’t accept that there are accelerating efforts to have Kiwiblog shutdown. I can’t find evidence of an absence, other than an absence of evidence. That is implicit in my question. Do you comprehend?
The burden of supporting your assertion is on you. Except you can’t (so you pretend you can, but won’t, on some point of principle). So your assertion is baseless. This has been amply demonstrated by your litany of abuse and obfuscation.
Why do you make baseless assertions? Are you delusional or mendacious?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am Vote:
November 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Malcolm, if there were accelerating efforts to have Kiwiblog shut down, don’t you think They would cover their tracks so well that you wouldn’t be able to find any evidence?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 11:09 am
Maybe Redbaiter is actually the evidence, he could be a leftie conspirator planted here to distract everyone from real debate?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
Ryan, apparently not.
But RedBaiter has seen the tracks. He’s told us so. He’s also told us he could easily cite the evidence, but won’t as he doesn’t want to converse with children who won’t find evidence on his behalf and/or agree in advance.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
597,603 …
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 am
… and rising …
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
… and joly nice risotto by the way Malcolm, but I was about wary on the sage and asparagus quantities – do I take it that its more mega than lots ??
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
“..Why do you make baseless assertions? Are you delusional or mendacious?..”
he is a mix of the two..
call him ‘melusional’..or ‘dendacious’
(i prefer ‘dendacious’..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
“RedBaiter, you need evidence to support your assertion.”
If I need to within the terms of a worthwhile debate I will do so, and I alone will be the judge of when that might be the case. I feel no obligation to consider the protests and whining of a shallow fool like you are so intent on making of yourself.
Once again-I am under no obligation to march to the tune of simpletons and ignoramuses with no counter argument and nothing but infantile questions. Are you really this infinitely thick? I mean I already know you’re stupid, but really… this stupid?? That you continue to fail to understand a point that has been made to you almost a dozen times??
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I don’t think you are thick Red. I don’t think you are stupid. I don’t think that you fail to understand a point that has been made to you over a dozen times by different people.
You don’t seem to want to engage with anyone who won’t just lick your karma. You seem to want to only preach to the faithful. That suggests that your wee revolution is going to have a hard job picking up new recruits.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
RedBaiter, can you cite a single example of a worthwhile debate in which you have cited evidence to support your baseless assertions?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Kiwipolitico, being the paragons of free speech and “fairness” they are, want DPF’s moderation efforts to succeed:
“I’ll watch with interest, but it looks to me like David will need to give up his day job to keep on top of it, or appoint some of the usual suspects as deputies to enforce these standards (presumably with zero tolerance for misbehaviour and draconian penalties for miscreants)” http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2009/07/arent-they-precious/
Plus other thinly veiled discrediting of any countering opinion to left wing pieties, from a multitude of sources:
“..the far-Right bloggers would be bottom feeders” Steven Price in The Press
As Russell Brown says, “If Act had the presence in the real world that it has in the blogosphere, it would dominate Parliament.”
“David Farrar does throw out the raw meat,” Brown says
“I FEEL unclean, as if I’ve just passed through a town in the grip of the plague. I feel compromised, as if I’ve inadvertently opened a madman’s diary. I feel angry and aggrieved — and frightened. I’ve been in the realm of the right-wing bloggers” – Chris Trotter on Kiwiblog
In fact, I’d say David Farrar is exhibits a much higher level of forbearance to leftists that he does to the right. His tolerance of Greenfly/Village Idiot is but one cogent example.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Pete, why do you not understand that you are of course free to post your opinions on Redbaiter and his failings and shortcomings as you perceive them, but what is the point, when I don’t care one jot for your opinion of Redbaiter, and most probably neither does anyone else?
Do you see me writing hundreds of words psychoanalyzing Pete George?? Your obsessive need to express your heartfelt opinions on Redbaiter is definitely something you should see your doctor about.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
“Can you”
Every comment a question. Like an incessantly whining child.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Interesting collection of quotes Angus. But they are just comments, I doubt they would be much if any influence on DPF. Why would he care about what Chris Trotter thinks?.
DPF’s intervention is sparse, and I can’t see any political leaning. He mostly deals to arsehole comments. And as anyone knows, an arsehole is neither to the right nor the left, it aims downwards.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 12:50 pm
RedBaiter, no, I can’t cite an example where you’ve cited evidence to support one of your baseless assertions. You might be able to.
Why don’t you just give us the evidence you spoke of in your second comment?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
“Why don’t you just give us the evidence you spoke of in your second comment?”
You’re not really a thinking and alive person are you. You’re obviously just some kind of robot. Perhaps a string pull doll with no ability whatsoever to receive or absorb information other than that which you were programmed with.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Baiter has got NOTHING. (Save for his opinions. Must be a day ending in Y.)
But he retains unreservedly his right to bluff that he has something.
You leftists are so, so CHILDLIKE with your asking for evidence all the time. It does my head in. Stop it, okay?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Maybe. Perhaps you could cite your evidence that “all over the blogosphere, the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog”, and I’ll see if I can absorb it.
It would be like a test. For both of us.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Leftist? Not me. I’d rather be called a Baiteritte than a leftist.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Utterly black hole dense moron. You’ve wasted far too much of my precious time to be worth a second more.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
You infantile emotionally stunted communist. Replying to you would be double futile as your dense brain would not comprehend even the simplest answer.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
# Redbaiter: “You’ve wasted far too much of my precious time to be worth a second more.”
LOL. You trawl political sites all day. You’re precious but your time clearly isn’t.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
How can I waste your time? I don’t even know who you are.
If you were in a hurry, why didn’t you just cite your evidence and leave victorious?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
The masochistic side of my personality is finding this thread fascinating.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I came, I laughed at RB continuing to have no real idea of reality, and have now left.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Ryan, have you finished with other minor things like the age of the universe? Was God a communist? Owned everything, controlled everything, dictated rules. Obviously wasn’t a capitalist. Didn’t trade.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Politically God looks to be straight down the middle:
Deuteronomy 5:32 “So you shall observe to do just as the LORD your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right or to the left.”
A centrist dictator?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Stephen, do you agree or disagree that “all over the blogosphere, the left are accelerating their efforts to shut down Kiwiblog”?
Bit the bullet and came back to this thread. Like Leg Break said – morbidly fascinating. Absolutely I agree Pete, the Left have gone mad with power lately.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Um, the Left are not in power at the moment, but let’s not debate the gone mad bit.
I see no sign of the left exerting any power on Kiwiblog.
I see no sign of Kiwiblog shutting down.
I see no sign of Kiwiblog being forced to do anything.
I suspect Redbaiter would like to see himself as the kiwi version of Glen Beck, but he doesn’t have the pulpit, he is trying to be a cuckoo.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Um, the Left are not in power at the moment, but let’s not debate the gone mad bit.
Was bein’ sarcastic like. Did mean ‘power’ generally, not necessarily government power. But really.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
that’s ‘cos they are really clever/cunning even..!..leftie conspirators..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Stunning stunts by cunning….people?
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
philu, only possible explanation.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
A negative karma EH?! Obviously someone has another credible hypothesis!! Out with it yon scallywag!
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I did get what you meant Stephen. But I think the left are more like going mad with powerless at the moment.
No hypothetical credibility with me!
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
I’m going to chip in on this. There were comments earlier this year (that I recall, but I’m sure it wasn’t the first time) at the stranded and at kiwipolitico that basically went along the lines of ‘we wish DPF would more actively moderate kiwiblog and ban some of the more vociferous right wing views’.
Vote:Redbaiter at the time exhorted DPF not to cave in (I think this was about the time of a moderation ‘experiment’ from DPF too) saying that the leftards were trying to shut down free speech on kiwiblog.
IMO, I think RB was mostly correct. I think the lefty blogs are actually extremely pissed that Kiwiblog does so so much better than them in terms of free debate (as well as ratings and traffic). They don’t get it, which is not surprising since the concept of free speech is anathema to them, and so they want it to be stopped.
The tipping point for me WRT kiwipolitico, was that someone there actually seriously used the term ‘new-speak’, and suggested NZ would be much the better once everyone was using ‘new-speak’.
With the stranded, well what do you need to know? They represent all the reasons National are in government.
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
RightNow: You’re making very little sense. You think leftie bloggers have some kind of control over Kiwiblog?
[Quoting Rightnow]: “the stranded and at kiwipolitico that basically went along the lines of ‘we wish DPF would more actively moderate kiwiblog and ban some of the more vociferous right wing views’.
I think the lefty blogs are actually extremely pissed that Kiwiblog does so so much better than them in terms of free debate (as well as ratings and traffic). They don’t get it, which is not surprising since the concept of free speech is anathema to them, and so they want it to be stopped.” [/Quote]
Is criticising someone you disagree with the same thing as “trying to take away their freedom of speech”, in your mind?
If I had a dollar for every time someone here screamed “freedom of speech” after someone told them they were talking sh*t… why, I could quit working and comment here full-time like Phil or Redbaiter
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I remember the moderation experiment, at that stage there was quite a bit of personal attacking going on which was way outside the bounds of robust debate. I think the moderation was a worthwhile exercise, it got everyone (or most anyway) thinking about reasonable etiquette without needing to restrict good debate.
RB may be correct about restrictions on other blogs, and about blog envy, but I don’t see it affecting Kiwiblog. Why the heck would DPF bother about what other blogs said? if they had great ideas they would have thriving blogs.
I actually think it more likely that DPF would have got “encouragement” from National connections to tidy things up a bit, with the generally reasonable way they are dealing with being in government they could perceivably see a threat of embarrassment by being associated with manic nasty blogging.
It is also possible simply that DPF could feel embarrassed by some of what has been posted to his blog and wanted to settle things down a bit.
But having said that I don’t see any sign of any resultant restrictions on anything that is reasonable. Does anyone feel like they can’t still have a decent debate?
From what I see quote a few people with other blogs actively participate here as well, and they are much more likely to be influenced by the success they see at Kiwiblog. The idea that multiple blogs are conspiring to shut down Kiwiblog seems pathetic to me.
Vote:November 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Others criticise the rabid free-for-all of Kiwiblog. That doesn’t constitute a plot to shut it down. That’s just the blogosphere; a tangled web of commentary, counterpoints and criticism.
The best evidence that there’s no plot against Kiwiblog, is that RedBaiter wrote 22 comments arguing why, despite having such evidence, he couldn’t share it with us. Because we didn’t ask him in the proper way. And even if we did we’d be too stupid to understand it. And anyway he didn’t have time.
I expect he’s out there now. Looking for the evidence. Like O.J. Simpson; tirelessly searching for the real killer of his wife.
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