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		<title>By: campit</title>
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		<dc:creator>campit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds exactly the same as this:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crownminerals.govt.nz/cms/news/2004/news_item.2007-05-07.9848686155&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Government incentives to generate increased exploration activity&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;14 June 2004 - The Crown has announced a package of incentives to increase the level of petroleum (gas and oil) exploration. A higher level of exploration is considered necessary to increase the probability that sufficient reserves of new gas will be found and brought to market...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The fact is that any oil exploration will be carried out by large multinational oil companies who will sell on the international market and keep most of the profit.  Take Tui for example - only 12.5% owned by NZ Oil and Gas.

&quot;Self sufficiency&quot; in oil is a myth, and we aren&#039;t going to get wealthy by reducing oil royalties. The only way to generate some kind of collective national wealth from oil would be for a Government oil exploration company to be formed, which I can&#039;t see happening - oil exploration is too expensive and risky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds exactly the same as this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crownminerals.govt.nz/cms/news/2004/news_item.2007-05-07.9848686155" rel="nofollow">Government incentives to generate increased exploration activity</a></p>
<blockquote><p>14 June 2004 &#8211; The Crown has announced a package of incentives to increase the level of petroleum (gas and oil) exploration. A higher level of exploration is considered necessary to increase the probability that sufficient reserves of new gas will be found and brought to market&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>The fact is that any oil exploration will be carried out by large multinational oil companies who will sell on the international market and keep most of the profit.  Take Tui for example &#8211; only 12.5% owned by NZ Oil and Gas.</p>
<p>&#8220;Self sufficiency&#8221; in oil is a myth, and we aren&#8217;t going to get wealthy by reducing oil royalties. The only way to generate some kind of collective national wealth from oil would be for a Government oil exploration company to be formed, which I can&#8217;t see happening &#8211; oil exploration is too expensive and risky.</p>
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		<title>By: DJP6-25</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJP6-25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rule #1. If it moves, drill it.

Rule #2  If it doesn&#039;t move, drill it till it does move. 

Rule #3 If in doubt, refer to Rule # 1.

cheers

David Prosser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rule #1. If it moves, drill it.</p>
<p>Rule #2  If it doesn&#8217;t move, drill it till it does move. </p>
<p>Rule #3 If in doubt, refer to Rule # 1.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
<p>David Prosser</p>
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		<title>By: Crusader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>big bruv (4887)  6   0   Says:
November 19th, 2009 at 9:23 am

If this oil wealth does indeed exist it could well spell the end of the Greens.

Can you imagine how the average Kiwi will react when they hear Comrade Norman tell them we should leave the oil in the ground and turn our backs on a far superior standard of living because it will be ‘good for the planet’.

&gt;&gt; You are absolutely right about the &quot;average Kiwi&quot; big bruv. But there will always be a constituency for the Greens, lurking in the student common rooms, and Nelson back block communes, people who have not yet had a proper job and still believe in tooth fairies, global warming and social credit economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big bruv (4887)  6   0   Says:<br />
November 19th, 2009 at 9:23 am</p>
<p>If this oil wealth does indeed exist it could well spell the end of the Greens.</p>
<p>Can you imagine how the average Kiwi will react when they hear Comrade Norman tell them we should leave the oil in the ground and turn our backs on a far superior standard of living because it will be ‘good for the planet’.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; You are absolutely right about the &#8220;average Kiwi&#8221; big bruv. But there will always be a constituency for the Greens, lurking in the student common rooms, and Nelson back block communes, people who have not yet had a proper job and still believe in tooth fairies, global warming and social credit economics.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ansell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious that it&#039;s taken so long to spot this potential. But great that we have a government that&#039;s actively looking for ways to make us rich instead of just take from the rich.

Let&#039;s hope they have the same positive attitude to the recommendations of the 2025 Productivity Taskforce when it reports back next week :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curious that it&#8217;s taken so long to spot this potential. But great that we have a government that&#8217;s actively looking for ways to make us rich instead of just take from the rich.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope they have the same positive attitude to the recommendations of the 2025 Productivity Taskforce when it reports back next week <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Brownlee been puffing the same stuff as Invercargill&#039;s mad mayor, Shadbolt?

The Sheikh of the south has for years been babbling Southland is about to become the new Gulf state. All on the strength of unproven petroleum reserves (which will almost certainly be gas if there are any) in the Great South Basin, an extremely challenging structure to explore, let alone harvest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Brownlee been puffing the same stuff as Invercargill&#8217;s mad mayor, Shadbolt?</p>
<p>The Sheikh of the south has for years been babbling Southland is about to become the new Gulf state. All on the strength of unproven petroleum reserves (which will almost certainly be gas if there are any) in the Great South Basin, an extremely challenging structure to explore, let alone harvest.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This leftie is fascinated by all the predictions/assumptions above that he will be against this :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This leftie is fascinated by all the predictions/assumptions above that he will be against this <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’ve been banging on to anyone that would listen for years that we are sitting on billions of barrels of oil!&quot;

Fantastic! how do you know?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve been banging on to anyone that would listen for years that we are sitting on billions of barrels of oil!&#8221;</p>
<p>Fantastic! how do you know?!</p>
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		<title>By: senzafine</title>
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		<dc:creator>senzafine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo! Go Gerry!

About bloody time. I&#039;ve been banging on to anyone that would listen for years that we are sitting on billions of barrels of oil!

And like Gerry, I am frankly amazed that previous governments havent done anything about this. (actually when i think about it, it was never really in the lefts agenda to make us wealthy, was it?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo! Go Gerry!</p>
<p>About bloody time. I&#8217;ve been banging on to anyone that would listen for years that we are sitting on billions of barrels of oil!</p>
<p>And like Gerry, I am frankly amazed that previous governments havent done anything about this. (actually when i think about it, it was never really in the lefts agenda to make us wealthy, was it?)</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, yeah I took the 30% to be of nominal value of the oil when extracted. But for no concrete reason other than that is what it sounded like he meant. I didn&#039;t mention tax revenue as multinationals are very good at transfer-pricing to minimise their off-shore profits and hence their tax.

If NZ wants to maximise the return and if the reserves are considerable they could create an SOE. A bit like Norsk Hydro (state is a major shareholder I think).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, yeah I took the 30% to be of nominal value of the oil when extracted. But for no concrete reason other than that is what it sounded like he meant. I didn&#8217;t mention tax revenue as multinationals are very good at transfer-pricing to minimise their off-shore profits and hence their tax.</p>
<p>If NZ wants to maximise the return and if the reserves are considerable they could create an SOE. A bit like Norsk Hydro (state is a major shareholder I think).</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm - that 2-10% is on the value of the material pulled out of the ground, not the net profit of the companies in question.  If royalties were as high as 30% then companies would look elsewhere - there was a big stink a last year when the cash strapped Queensland government raised royalties on coal from 9 to 10% for coal that fetched over $100/tonne.  I don&#039;t know what Brownlee was talking about as I am writing this from central Queensland, perhaps it was the tax on the profit of a locally registered company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm &#8211; that 2-10% is on the value of the material pulled out of the ground, not the net profit of the companies in question.  If royalties were as high as 30% then companies would look elsewhere &#8211; there was a big stink a last year when the cash strapped Queensland government raised royalties on coal from 9 to 10% for coal that fetched over $100/tonne.  I don&#8217;t know what Brownlee was talking about as I am writing this from central Queensland, perhaps it was the tax on the profit of a locally registered company.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Heine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d hope some of the money would be used to fire Sue Bradford into the sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d hope some of the money would be used to fire Sue Bradford into the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If National only get 2-10% they should be shot (other reasons for being shot notwithstanding). I&#039;m pretty sure that Brownlee mentioned 30% this morning on the radio.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Also, we haven’t got subsidies on fuel right now, what makes you think that will happen in the future?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was just responding to the idea from Dog_eat_dog. I don&#039;t think we would do that, but it&#039;s an interesting mental exercise to figure out why it&#039;s a bad idea to ring-fence a resource and subsidise the economy with it.

The price of oil was controlled in the past as you describe, but now even OPEC can&#039;t really control it. Not for long anyway. The market is more in control than ever. Which is why we&#039;ve seen prices range from $20 to more than $100 in the recent past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If National only get 2-10% they should be shot (other reasons for being shot notwithstanding). I&#8217;m pretty sure that Brownlee mentioned 30% this morning on the radio.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Also, we haven’t got subsidies on fuel right now, what makes you think that will happen in the future?
</p></blockquote>
<p>I was just responding to the idea from Dog_eat_dog. I don&#8217;t think we would do that, but it&#8217;s an interesting mental exercise to figure out why it&#8217;s a bad idea to ring-fence a resource and subsidise the economy with it.</p>
<p>The price of oil was controlled in the past as you describe, but now even OPEC can&#8217;t really control it. Not for long anyway. The market is more in control than ever. Which is why we&#8217;ve seen prices range from $20 to more than $100 in the recent past.</p>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
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		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clint - obvious spending priority would be Trident.  That would sort the hippies out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clint &#8211; obvious spending priority would be Trident.  That would sort the hippies out.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Heine</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/drill_baby_drill.html#comment-633198</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint Heine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d ensure that when the oil ran out NZ would be prosperous enough without greedy politicians committing it to ridiculous &quot;wealth creation&quot; projects and selfish proposals to shore up votes.  Low to no income taxes and a strong economy would make us much better off than those free spending Norweigans. Savings is another thing, bloody Kiwis aren&#039;t exactly big savers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d ensure that when the oil ran out NZ would be prosperous enough without greedy politicians committing it to ridiculous &#8220;wealth creation&#8221; projects and selfish proposals to shore up votes.  Low to no income taxes and a strong economy would make us much better off than those free spending Norweigans. Savings is another thing, bloody Kiwis aren&#8217;t exactly big savers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gazzmaniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>gazzmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah sure, but the extra wealth generated in NZ (say 30% of gross oil company revenue + related economic activity, jobs created etc) my be insufficient to cover the extra cost to the economy of not having the cheaper subsidised fuels.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Royalties on mineral wealth are generally in the order of 2-10%, not 30%.
Also, we haven&#039;t got subsidies on fuel right now, what makes you think that will happen in the future?
The simple fact is that the price of oil is controlled so that alternative technologies are only just unattractive on an economic level.  If we woke up one day and there were magic cars that ran on water, and cost 2c per 100km to run, you can be assured that the price of oil would drop substantially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah sure, but the extra wealth generated in NZ (say 30% of gross oil company revenue + related economic activity, jobs created etc) my be insufficient to cover the extra cost to the economy of not having the cheaper subsidised fuels.</p></blockquote>
<p>Royalties on mineral wealth are generally in the order of 2-10%, not 30%.<br />
Also, we haven&#8217;t got subsidies on fuel right now, what makes you think that will happen in the future?<br />
The simple fact is that the price of oil is controlled so that alternative technologies are only just unattractive on an economic level.  If we woke up one day and there were magic cars that ran on water, and cost 2c per 100km to run, you can be assured that the price of oil would drop substantially.</p>
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		<title>By: malcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
How about living within our means.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We don&#039;t have the money for that. Anyway, why start now?</description>
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How about living within our means.
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<p>We don&#8217;t have the money for that. Anyway, why start now?</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In the oil industry “estimated resources” means wild guess with absolutely no evidence to support it, when they find a little evidence they use the term “possible reserves”.&lt;/i&gt;

Haha yeah obviously a lot of people are spending this money already, must be a part of the oil companies&#039; PR strategy to get the public behind them :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In the oil industry “estimated resources” means wild guess with absolutely no evidence to support it, when they find a little evidence they use the term “possible reserves”.</i></p>
<p>Haha yeah obviously a lot of people are spending this money already, must be a part of the oil companies&#8217; PR strategy to get the public behind them <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about living within our means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about living within our means.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew W</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/drill_baby_drill.html#comment-633178</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Should the estimated resources in our unexplored basins be developed,..&quot;

In the oil industry &quot;estimated resources&quot; means &quot;wild guess with absolutely no evidence to support it&quot;, when they find a little evidence they use the term &quot;possible reserves&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Should the estimated resources in our unexplored basins be developed,..&#8221;</p>
<p>In the oil industry &#8220;estimated resources&#8221; means &#8220;wild guess with absolutely no evidence to support it&#8221;, when they find a little evidence they use the term &#8220;possible reserves&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTOH maybe paying off debt would be best?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH maybe paying off debt would be best?</p>
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