Patrick Starr (3447) Vote: 8 5 Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 9:46 am
geez pete, are you thick? – its not whether GW is happenening, its whether its AGW

Personally, I’m more interested in whether it’s happening than what is causing it. Closely followed by: Is it bad? And is there anything we can do about it?

Don Melvin writes that, excluding Russia, Europe’s Muslim population will double by 2020. He also says that in 2005, almost 85% of Europe’s total population growth in 2005 was due to immigration in general.[18][20] Omer Taspinar predicts that the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015, while the non-Muslim will shrink by 3.5%, due to the higher Muslim birth rate.[21] Esther Pan predicts that, by 2050, one in five Europeans will likely be Muslim.[21][22]Professor Philip Jenkins of Penn State University estimates that by 2100, Muslims will compose about 25% of Europe’s population. But Jenkins admits this figure does not take account of the large birthrates amongst Europe’s immigrant Christians.[23] Additionally, this estimation depends more on the supposed inevitability of the increase of Muslim population in the West and one person’s research on the future of Europeans. Therefore, while Jenkins’ estimation should be considered in the process of predicting what it would be like to live in the West in the year 2100, it should also be raising doubts about the entire European population.

Other analysts are skeptical about the given forecast and the accuracy of the claimed Muslim population growth, since sharp decrease in Muslim fertility rates[24] and the limiting of immigrants coming in to Europe, which will lead to Muslim population increasing slowly in the coming years to eventually stagnation and decline. Others point to overestimated number and exaggeration of the Muslim growth rate.[25]

Southern Raider, the CIA Factbook gives the fertility rate (number of children per woman) of Palestinians as 5:1 in Gaza and 3.22:1 in the West Bank. The best I could find for Palestinians in Israel was for 2004, when it was 4.7 but declining. That would seem to be a long way from the 8:1 you claim. Maybe you can provide your source?

While I personally don’t believe that this country will become ‘Islamic’, (although they would want it otherwise), I wonder what it will take before we all wake up as a nation to Islam’s threat (the fifth-column amongst us) – and have the courage to do something about it?

What do you suggest? Inquisitions? Burning at the stake? Prohibition (like that works so well for drugs!)?

Just curious.

I think the most disappointing post here today, though, is that from Owen McShane, who in my opinion is deserving of a fair measure of respect for some of his contributions to public debates, especially on town planning/resource management issues yet entered the fray today with a snide inaccurate and deliberately misleading sideswipe at the IPCC.

you demented ginge..

(still knecking multiple meds..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

the link you provide is from a site called snopes..

which is dedicated to ferreting out/calling the bullshit on the internet..

and their verdict on this vid you claim as evidence for yr whacky/paranoid/racism-driven claims..?

‘..the information presented in the video is incorrect unsubstantiated or misrepresented’..

good one einstein..!

(i think that’s called shooting yourself in the foot..eh..?..)

(and all yr own work..eh..?

brillliant..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

Phool has blown another bong, priceless coming from the melt down lefty turnip.

Note this website is actually trying to dispute the stats in the video. Claims there is no birthrate close to the 8.1 in France, but even the Palestinians are over an average of 8.

Seems an irony that the muslims “escape” their home countries because of issues fundamentally caused by their religion and then want to then transplant this religion in their new countries. Seems in a few years they will then we moving again.

The curious thing for us as onlookers is that she is a very intelligent person, with a very supportive (single parent) family and whanau – most odd.

In my experience it’s usually intelligent and apparently happy people who get enticed into a religion. I’ve never seen the appeal myself. I’ve heard about the phenomena of Maori Muslims but it just seems like an odd fit. Almost an opposites attract type thing.

I saw a lot white Muslim women when I lived in East London. They were invariable born and breed East End women who’d married a Muslim and converted to Islam. Probably says more about the quality of East End males than anything.

wot..!

that vast empty echoing space between your ears..?

you utter raving fucken loon..!

“..islam is especially oposed and determined to destroy those countries which compose the British Commonwealth ..”

yeah..!..you often hear that..

and hey..!

don’t be bashful..

give us the links/evidence of these (alarming) ‘projections’ you ‘ave seen’..

eh..?

they didn’t just suddenly appear in your vast empty echoing space..?..

did they..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

No, unfortunately I can’t – I have never been able to get a straight answer from her about this. As best as we can make out she seems to believe it is ‘liberating’ for women to be Muslim and has really taken the whole Islamic-belief thing ‘to heart’. The curious thing for us as onlookers is that she is a very intelligent person, with a very supportive (single parent) family and whanau – most odd.

Southern Raider

Yes, I have seen the figures and projections – and yes it IS scary. The achievement of ‘one islamic world’ is occurring as we watch, yet ‘the West’ is still asleep, unaware of the threat within. Unfortunately, it is almost at the ‘tipping-point’ stage, where even if they wanted to, the EU governments will not be able to reverse the process – there will simply be too many muslims to be able to resist the process.(As Enoch Powell warned would happen – remember, back in the ’60′s)

Evidence of this is the ease with which dissenters are squashed because ‘Islam’ mustn’t be offended.

Unfortunately, because of this, and baring some sort of absolute miracle (not impossible, even in the 21st-Century), Churchill’s comment about ‘the lights going out all over Europe’ will probably become a reality in our lifetime – though not in the manner that Churchill originally intended.

Meanwhile, it seems that New Zealand snores on, until one day . . . – and no, we aren’t going to escape – islam is especially oposed and determined to destroy those countries which compose the British Commonwealth (which, in case some have forgotten, we are part of).

We certainly live in interesting times, so watch this space.

Komata have you seen the demographic projections for France and many other European countries to become Islamic Republics in the next 20 years?

I haven’t. Where can I find these projections?

Very scary stuff.

I have a niece, mid-thirties age-group, Maori, intelligent, a Kohanga Reo teacher. Lovely lady.

She embraced Islam some five or so years ago, and has since become increasingly militant, proudly telling her Aunty recently that there are now 63,000 Muslims in New Zealand, and that 2000 of those are Maori – and that her religion is actively trying to recruit more Maori- especially in the prisons!!

Folks, in the light of MikeNZ’s postings, this nation (New Zealand) now has a growing problem – especially as the numbers of Muslims in New Zealand are rapidly increasing; the fact that more individuals of that religious-persuasion are clamouring to get in (and increase their influence in NZ) being indicative of this – and NOT accidental!!

The ‘refugees’ and boat-people have been a very convenient and deliberate smokescreen – which the government of Dear Leader embraced with enthusiastically (aided and abetted by the UN- funny that)

Imagine, militant Maori Muslims – Hone wouldn’t have a chance (unless he converted to the ‘chosen’ faith)

While I personally don’t believe that this country will become ‘Islamic’, (although they would want it otherwise), I wonder what it will take before we all wake up as a nation to Islam’s threat (the fifth-column amongst us) – and have the courage to do something about it?

No doubt the socialists will yell and scream – never realising that, under Islam they would be ‘eliminated’

We have been well warned. . .

(Watches as liberal, trendy-lefties now emerge the woodwork and protest loudly and long about how wrong, how unfair, how ‘religiously-intolerant’ I have been. Wait for it . . . )