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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634806</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Closing thought for the night - this from 1972:
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&quot;The common enemy of humanity is man.
&lt;b&gt;In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up 
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, 
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill&lt;/b&gt;. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.&quot;

- Club of Rome, premier environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Closing thought for the night &#8211; this from 1972:</p>
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&#8220;The common enemy of humanity is man.<br />
<b>In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up<br />
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,<br />
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill</b>. All these<br />
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through<br />
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.<br />
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Club of Rome, premier environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations
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		<title>By: Hurf Durf</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634803</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurf Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK THAT&#039;S ALL YOU DO REDBAITER ATTACK ATTACK WAH WAH WAH MUMMY WHERE&#039;S MY BOTTLE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK THAT&#8217;S ALL YOU DO REDBAITER ATTACK ATTACK WAH WAH WAH MUMMY WHERE&#8217;S MY BOTTLE</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634801</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha, even Fox sources are left wing bullshit? How right can you be?

You have never proven I have lied, and you rarely support your accusations with anything of substance. So you&#039;ve swotted up on standard smear tactics. That&#039;s the mission you have accomplished, ten years of smear, and nothing else to show for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha, even Fox sources are left wing bullshit? How right can you be?</p>
<p>You have never proven I have lied, and you rarely support your accusations with anything of substance. So you&#8217;ve swotted up on standard smear tactics. That&#8217;s the mission you have accomplished, ten years of smear, and nothing else to show for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634798</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The original point I made was simply that Bush is associated with the term “Mission Accomplished”.&quot; 

Like you&#039;re associated with the term &quot;compulsive liar&quot;?

That was never your implication at any time. As usual, you just didn&#039;t have the information, and that&#039;s in turn because all you ever have as references are sources that are just left wing bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The original point I made was simply that Bush is associated with the term “Mission Accomplished”.&#8221; </p>
<p>Like you&#8217;re associated with the term &#8220;compulsive liar&#8221;?</p>
<p>That was never your implication at any time. As usual, you just didn&#8217;t have the information, and that&#8217;s in turn because all you ever have as references are sources that are just left wing bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634795</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So what? Both Bush and Rumsfeld were quite aware there was a lot more work ot do in Iraq. This helps my POV not yours you dumbarse.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The original point I made was simply that Bush is associated with the term &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot;. You called it a lie, and now you say proof of it helps your POV? Yeah, right. Who is hopeless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So what? Both Bush and Rumsfeld were quite aware there was a lot more work ot do in Iraq. This helps my POV not yours you dumbarse.</p></blockquote>
<p>The original point I made was simply that Bush is associated with the term &#8220;Mission Accomplished&#8221;. You called it a lie, and now you say proof of it helps your POV? Yeah, right. Who is hopeless?</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634793</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And now Delirium crawls to The Nation. Oh, Delirium.&quot;

Don&#039;t they make you puke with their sad attempts to impress by referring us to left wing bullshit??

CNN, FAIR, The Nation..???

Go way Petey, you&#039;re hopeless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And now Delirium crawls to The Nation. Oh, Delirium.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t they make you puke with their sad attempts to impress by referring us to left wing bullshit??</p>
<p>CNN, FAIR, The Nation..???</p>
<p>Go way Petey, you&#8217;re hopeless.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634792</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace introduced the subject (3/28/04) by saying that &quot;the day after, some Democrats and the families of some American soldiers in Iraq, some who died in Iraq, said they were offended by this kidding about the missing weapons of mass destruction.&quot; 

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1837</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace introduced the subject (3/28/04) by saying that &#8220;the day after, some Democrats and the families of some American soldiers in Iraq, some who died in Iraq, said they were offended by this kidding about the missing weapons of mass destruction.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1837" rel="nofollow">http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1837</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634790</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hurfer, there are plenty more corroborations of that little joke about why he started a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurfer, there are plenty more corroborations of that little joke about why he started a war.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634789</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;After all, the ‘global cooling’ crowd didn’t give up when that lie was finally seen for what it was. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah I remember that. Was it tied up with the concept of a &#039;Nuclear winter&#039;?  The most important thing for goverments is to keep the great unwashed in the dark, fearful and open to being led. The AGW scam has been particularly powerful because it added &#039;personal guilt&#039; to the list of emotional responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>After all, the ‘global cooling’ crowd didn’t give up when that lie was finally seen for what it was. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah I remember that. Was it tied up with the concept of a &#8216;Nuclear winter&#8217;?  The most important thing for goverments is to keep the great unwashed in the dark, fearful and open to being led. The AGW scam has been particularly powerful because it added &#8216;personal guilt&#8217; to the list of emotional responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Hurf Durf</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634788</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurf Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now Delirium crawls to The Nation. Oh, Delirium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now Delirium crawls to The Nation. Oh, Delirium.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Hansen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634787</link>
		<dc:creator>Luc Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as they say, redbaiter

a picture is worth a thousand words.

And then there was the smirk

the smirk that faded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as they say, redbaiter</p>
<p>a picture is worth a thousand words.</p>
<p>And then there was the smirk</p>
<p>the smirk that faded.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634785</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; But at one point, Bush showed a photo of himself looking for something out a window in the Oval Office, and he said, &quot;Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere.&quot;

The audience laughed. I grimaced. But that wasn&#039;t the end of it. After a few more slides, there was a shot of Bush looking under furniture in the Oval Office. &quot;Nope,&quot; he said. &quot;No weapons over there.&quot;

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames/1336 &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> But at one point, Bush showed a photo of himself looking for something out a window in the Oval Office, and he said, &#8220;Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>The audience laughed. I grimaced. But that wasn&#8217;t the end of it. After a few more slides, there was a shot of Bush looking under furniture in the Oval Office. &#8220;Nope,&#8221; he said. &#8220;No weapons over there.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames/1336" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames/1336</a> </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: DJP6-25</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634783</link>
		<dc:creator>DJP6-25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete George [2203]  The power seeking you are thinking of is driven by welfare and privilege. I was thinking in terms of UN mandated stuff that adds to the power of government and NGOs.

cheers

David Prosser</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete George [2203]  The power seeking you are thinking of is driven by welfare and privilege. I was thinking in terms of UN mandated stuff that adds to the power of government and NGOs.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
<p>David Prosser</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634782</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what? Both Bush and Rumsfeld were quite aware there was a lot more work ot do in Iraq. This helps my POV not yours you dumbarse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what? Both Bush and Rumsfeld were quite aware there was a lot more work ot do in Iraq. This helps my POV not yours you dumbarse.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634781</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;When he received an advance copy of the speech, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld took care to remove any use of the phrase &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot; in the speech itself. Later, when journalist Bob Woodward asked him about his changes to the speech, Rumsfeld responded:&quot;I was in Baghdad, and I was given a draft of that thing to look at. And I just died, and I said my God, it&#039;s too conclusive. And I fixed it and sent it back… they fixed the speech, but not the sign.&quot;

http://www.defenselink.mil/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=3744
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When he received an advance copy of the speech, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld took care to remove any use of the phrase &#8220;Mission Accomplished&#8221; in the speech itself. Later, when journalist Bob Woodward asked him about his changes to the speech, Rumsfeld responded:&#8221;I was in Baghdad, and I was given a draft of that thing to look at. And I just died, and I said my God, it&#8217;s too conclusive. And I fixed it and sent it back… they fixed the speech, but not the sign.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.defenselink.mil/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=3744" rel="nofollow">http://www.defenselink.mil/Transcripts/Transcript.aspx?TranscriptID=3744</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634778</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m sure you will support that with all sorts of quotes.&quot;

You&#039;ve been doing it all day, not only on climate change but also on George Bush. Plain as day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m sure you will support that with all sorts of quotes.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been doing it all day, not only on climate change but also on George Bush. Plain as day.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634777</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anybody has a &quot;disorder&quot; around here it&#039;s you pc petey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anybody has a &#8220;disorder&#8221; around here it&#8217;s you pc petey!</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634776</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He owns it.&quot;

Read what I wrote above you tiresome thick as a brick moron. Sure he owns it- because it was true and correct, and tied in with the speech he gave.

Leftists as usual, use it out of context in yet another attempt to deceive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He owns it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read what I wrote above you tiresome thick as a brick moron. Sure he owns it- because it was true and correct, and tied in with the speech he gave.</p>
<p>Leftists as usual, use it out of context in yet another attempt to deceive.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634774</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual that&#039;s funny coming from you Red. I think you may have progressive projection disorder.

&lt;blockquote&gt;No doubt just more lies. Just like the left have habitually distorted and misrepresented everything said by anyone who challenges their cultural supremacy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Everything by everyone. Wow, that much. I&#039;m sure you will support that with all sorts of quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual that&#8217;s funny coming from you Red. I think you may have progressive projection disorder.</p>
<blockquote><p>No doubt just more lies. Just like the left have habitually distorted and misrepresented everything said by anyone who challenges their cultural supremacy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Everything by everyone. Wow, that much. I&#8217;m sure you will support that with all sorts of quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_22_november_2009.html#comment-634773</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No quote to support this summary of course. No doubt just more lies. Just like the left have habitually distorted and misrepresented everything said by anyone who challenges their cultural supremacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No quote to support this summary of course. No doubt just more lies. Just like the left have habitually distorted and misrepresented everything said by anyone who challenges their cultural supremacy.</p>
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