Comments on: General Debate 27 November 2009

By: jackp

jackp — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:44:02 +0000

Reid, it is a loosing battle. Back in the 70′s the major government defense contractors muscled their way into the News media. I remember when General Electric was allowed by congress to buy one of the major networks. There was no internet then. Then Westinghouse, another major defense contractor bought ABC (not sure which one anymore). Then they bought out the major newspapers CNN followed suit and no longer became the rogue news station because Ted Turner got kicked out. This is what is killing the states. Dumbing down the public. You have to remember, these major defense contractors have a vested interest in wars and can sway public opinion very easily. It is done here by the EPMU. The labour unions run the news which is why they are terribly slanted and look for stories that will strengthen the union. The public doesn’t have a clue what is happening.

By: KiwiGreg

KiwiGreg — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:11:47 +0000

“join thousands of low paid public sector workers ”

I wonder how whoever reported this determined they were low paid. Most would be on well above the average and indeed median income. And I suspect on a risk-weighted and hours actually worked basis, pretty well paid indeed.

By: emmess

emmess — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:17:40 +0000

WTF?
9/11 Troofers get a free pass in the media but climate change skeptics are beyond the pale?
Something is seriously fucked up in this country

By: Hurf Durf

Hurf Durf — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:53:41 +0000

Just caught the headline of today’s Huruld – no doubt the bedwetters of Editing the Huruld will have been phenomenally asspained at the idea of them besmirching their beloved Liarbore leader. A pox on thee! Why aren’t you like alternet yet?!

By: Luc Hansen

Luc Hansen — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:28:19 +0000

The legal system in this country is disgraced by a reported 200 lawyers rorting the legal aid system. This is much, much worse than a couple of scientists fiddling climate change data. Nearly 200% worse, actually.

It’s quite clear that the legal system cannot be justified by rational enquiry. But getting rid of it is going to be a battle. It has friends in high places, all over the world, as do all conspiracies.

I’m going to do my bit by just pretending it isn’t there – it doesn’t exist. Call me a denier, if you will.

We will see who’s right…eventually.

By: kaya

kaya — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:20:19 +0000

Hurf Durf – aye, I think the little cobweb-riddled, tweed jacketed fuckers will be very excited.

By: reid

reid — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:07:58 +0000

jackp, many millions in the States have gotten the accurate picture, thanks to the internet. But when you get journalists who pretend the questions don’t even exist and prefer to spend their time on useful things like celeb gossip, what can people like you and I do?

It’s incredible these “professionals” have abrogated their duty. Imagine any other profession doing the same.

By: Luc Hansen

Luc Hansen — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:02:52 +0000

assholes…backwoods…hmmm

Hurf, where are you from? Deliverance territory?

By: Hurf Durf

Hurf Durf — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:55:54 +0000

The Keynesian assholes have been rehabilitated after thirty years in exile in the backwoods. That’s what’s happened, kaya.

By: kaya

kaya — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:52:50 +0000

Yes, yes, the recession is over, which is why privately owned finance companies are taking advantage of taxpayers money offered to them by Key. Cheers John, just what I voted for you to do, increase my family debt levels. What happened to capitalism? Where did this bullshit “no fail because we’ll just take it off the taxpayer and give it to private businesses” system come from? What a joke.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10611916

By: jackp

jackp — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:25:17 +0000

Reid, at least it is a start. This is truly the first time I heard anyone come out like that and explain things. Of course, your right, too many people don’t think to ask questions that might lead to something frightening. Especially in the states. They don’t’ have a clue what is going on. If they started asking questions then that would lead to more questions. I think you get the picture.

By: Luc Hansen

Luc Hansen — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:17:32 +0000

Kaya said:

The Catholic Church, like many others are hypocrites.

Kaya, ALL churches are hypocrites.

By: Luc Hansen

Luc Hansen — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:15:16 +0000

reid said to AndrewW

it is an us vs them, apparently you’re on the side of them, thanks for identifying yourself, forgive me if I ignore future contributions on this subject from you for I now know where to place them

good idea reid. Can you do the same for me?

Cheers

By: kaya

kaya — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:58:12 +0000

KiwiGreg – you reckon the recession is over? Dubai is looking pretty dodgy and nobody seems to know who has exposure to it.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10612008

The next 4 or 5 days should be interesting.

By: kaya

kaya — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 07:47:18 +0000

Well if Lindsay Freer, Catholic communication coordinator, is any example of the Catholic church here in NZ then the whole lot need to sort their shit out. She is the fruit loop who threw a wobbly over the South Park episode with the menstruating statue of the virgin Mary.

http://tinyurl.com/yj3tmg2

She had obviously never watched an episode of the programme in her life. As much as it is crude at times, at the end of every episode of South Park there is always a positive moral to the story. Usually about prejudice, bigotry, discrimination etc. The Catholic Church, like many others are hypocrites.

By: MikeNZ

MikeNZ — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:59:50 +0000

MNIJ
I’ll believe it when all those in the Catholic church all over the world who did the same (incl in NZ) and hid/obfusecated and denied what they knew went on, get put before the courts.
I know of one case here in WTN where the bishop moved a guy to another parish and didn’t tell anyone what he’d done and he did the same to a mate of mines son.
The Bishop should be doing 10 yrs inside and the Cardinal instead they made my mates family go through hell for causing trouble.
The Catholic church in NZ is a disgrace to society and has no right to speak on social or moral matters until they hand over the f@ckers who hid it all.

By: Viking2

Viking2 — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:58:38 +0000

A wink is as good as a nod when it comes to accessing funding. I need, you nod and I supply the funding to support your research into my proposition.

By: reid

reid — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:46:22 +0000

jackp, yes I did, and I’m disappointed Gage choked on the critical moment, when he could have done a slam dunk, and shown the subset of Close Up viewers with intelligence (who aren’t many these days thanks to the fact Sainsbury usually fronts it), there are in fact, important unanswered questions.

It will be just another lost opportunity, but good on you Richard, for having the guts and the patriotism to raise questions about the giant holes that exist in the official 911 smokescreen that only useful idiots who are thicker than a whale omelet could possibli believe.

By: jackp

jackp — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:32:28 +0000

Did anyone see Closup tonight? An architect Richard Gage (sp) was on talking about the 911 and how the twin towers and #7 came down by controlled explosives. He was certain the planes did not bring the towers down but they were only a diversion. Infact he didn’t call it a conspiracy because conspiracy means theory, shit, he just said they came down by explosives. This was on tv tonight. Hope some of you out there calling us nutcases and crackpots saw this especially #7. When I saw that go down, that is what created the doubt in my mind that it involved terrorist. Richard Gage is asking to reopen the investigation. . Going on public tv and saying this is terrific news but I am worried because if this build momentum, his life will be in danger. It takes guts to say this publicly

By: reid

reid — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:30:38 +0000

AndrewW,
(a) no, it doesn’t, across geologic time records
(b) no, it doesn’t and isn’t
(c) I’d love to see your unequivocal evidence it is, for your side depends on it
(d) spoken like a true believer (you weren’t a member of the CPSU were you, for that’s the same tactic)
(e) but it’s a fact, isn’t it?
(f) it is true, but as per usual, naive believers haven’t bothered to familiarise themselves with the actual real consequences
(g) it is an us vs them, apparently you’re on the side of them, thanks for identifying yourself, forgive me if I ignore future contributions on this subject from you for I now know where to place them