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Good news? Well, potentially good news, professional grandstander and revictimiser, Grant McVicar may well have to find an honest job as the Charities Commission looks set to decline the (In)sensible Sentencing Trust’s charitable status.
This trust was never a charity, it was always a front for McVicar to press his own agenda, all the while sucking from the taxpayers’ teat.
Anyones faith in Science shaken over the last week?
Will MSM ever recover from sitting back and saying nothing for so long while online serious questions were raised?
IF what these documents point to is true – ie – These people have been using sloppy sloppy science to convince the world there is a problem when really there’s not – will this be the scandal of the millennium? – no hyperbole intended.
How big a cock is Nick Smith, JK et al going to feel like in the next few month IF this stuff is true?
For all you parents or those interested – take the kids to the Porirua Police Museum. I took my kids there and they loved it. They were able to dress up in the latest police uniforms – the stab proof vests are heavy! And they were then given a missing person’s mystery to solve as we went around. The mystery wasn’t that easy and the adults will have as much fun doing it as the kids did. The exhibits range from issues of today – right through to when the police started. A few grisily ones are in there as well. So well worth the visit. It’s opposite Aotea Lagoon near Whitby and in the police training college. Not open Sunday’s. http://www.police.govt.nz/service/museum/index.html
Here comes the next National Party fuck up. Christ they are fucking hopelss.
Taxpayers to pick up finance sector tab
By Adam Bennett View as one page
4:00 AM Saturday Nov 28, 2009
New Zealand’s own sub-prime crisis, the finance company collapse that began with a trickle of failures in 2006 and became a landslide by 2008, entered a period of remission last year with the introduction of the Retail Deposit Guarantee Scheme.
Treasury set aside an $816 million provision in the June quarter Crown accounts to cover claims under the guarantee it deemed were “more likely than not” to occur.
Three months later the sum had risen by a further $47 million to $863 million.
Great to see illy orker in a typical obnoxious frame of mindset. They say a bit of rain makes North Canterbury weeds grow well. Have a warm cup of round up you bb dork.
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IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
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YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
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IF YOU ENTER NEW ZEALAND ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENSE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE,
CREDIT CARDS, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, FREE EDUCATION, FREE
HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN WELLINGTON AND IN MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN VOTE.
Viking2 – At least we’re not paying for these collapses… all our creditors are. And if the next government is as willing to borrow up large, and spend up large and not bring in some much needed changes as that knob john key and all his lackeys, then we never will have to pay for it as we will go bankrupt.
I’ve sat in on seminars and presentations with economists and the overwhelming feel is that without massive changes to the tax structure (as treasury has said is needed), we are going to experience a massive assset devaluation(ie, property and farming collapse) at best, or wholesale national bankruptsy at worst
Borker – You have faith that the people doing the science are doing so in a proper manner. In other words you trust that they have followed the scientific method. This doesn’t seem to be the case here.
We were considering the future of the planet (their words) on what these people were saying.
“US authorities say Tiger Woods has been seriously injured in a car wreck in Florida.
The Florida Highway Patrol says the PGA star hit a fire hydrant and a tree as he pulled out of his driveway early Friday in his 2009 Cadillac sport utility vehicle.
Woods was taken to Health Central Hospital. His condition was not immediately known, though the news release said his injuries were serious.”
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Jesus Christ! How fast can you go out of a DRIVEWAY? Has he got a 2km drive and did he take a run at it to get up enough speed to seriously injure himeslf?
LC – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/economic-policy/news/article.cfm?c_id=185&objectid=10606129 highlights the latest report. Previous recomendations have been to flatten the tax rate, decrease the burden on income taxes, increase gst to offset these if neccessary. I don’t agree with all that the treasury says(eg i think we should have a huge huge cut in government spending) but the overall message is good.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Borker – You have faith that the people doing the science are doing so in a proper manner. In other words you trust that they have followed the scientific method. This doesn’t seem to be the case here.
Faith? No. Trust? Maybe.
The ting with science is that it is, eventually, self correcting. Unlike faith or belief, scientific hypothesis are subject to review, test and replication.
What we are seeing here is not a failure of science, or the scientific method, but an expose of unfounded belief systems.
Borker you are a crass and obnoxious piece of shit. Your attempts at humour are pathetic. Your dig at someone’s depression is right up there with your views on “sub optimal” people like my daughter. Remember your beautiful piece on Down syndrome? Fuck off.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Great to see illy orker in a typical obnoxious frame of mindset. They say a bit of rain makes North Canterbury weeds grow well. Have a warm cup of round up you bb dork.
I was taliking with Kristy last night, and you came up in conversation. We wondered what happened to the Pete we both knew and loved and how he became so bitter and twisted. We wondered if he’d ever again be able to make a contribution, or if he’d just sit on the sidelines and snipe.
Looks like you’ve given up trying to make a contribution and are determined to just be a worn out old sniper.
Anyones faith in Science shaken over the last week?
It shouldn’t have been. Those who understand the scientific process and weight of evidence human fallibility won’t have. And those who had no faith in science to back up their wishful thinking won’t have.
Those who have jumped to a conclusion that defies the majority of a substantial body of scientific research and observation will despair wondering why most people don’t buy into their agenda with an ulterior motive or their blind faith in an illogical and unscientific viewpoint.
But life will go on. Humans will keep stuffing the environment with crap. Life will keep evolving. People will keep smoking and choking their lungs. Obama will remain president. The earth will revolving around the sun. JFK will remain dead. The twin towers will remain rubble.
And a small noisy minority will keep trying to convince others of their madness, and they won’t care whose reputations and careers they try to stuff up in the process.
Is Phil Goff being a political opportunist or merely finding his voice after 9 years under Helengrad?
Pita Sharples says Phil Goff is playing the race card. I disagree.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Borker you are a crass and obnoxious piece of shit.
You have such a winning way with words, do you work in customer service?
Your attempts at humour are pathetic. Your dig at someone’s depression is right up there with your views on “sub optimal” people like my daughter. Remember your beautiful piece on Down syndrome? Fuck off.
It wasn’t a dig at depression, it was a response to the cock size comment, but I gueess like most loonie tunes here, you had a humour bypass a long time ago.
I do not know you, your daughter or recall any such conversation, but since you asked, Mongoloids ARE sub optimal, and where identified in the womb, should be aborted, no ifs, no buts, no maybes. Abortion on diagnosis. End of story.
Worldwide headlines “Tiger Woods seriously injured…” Suppose it is a bit more exciting than “Tiger Woods released from hospital with a cut on his head”
Poor Tiger, he must have been escaping the wrath of wifey for his alleged escapades with another woman.
Obviously sub optimal and according to you shouldn’t have been allowed to live? Not like those normal people Clayton Weatherston, William Bell, Graham Burton eh? Yeah I see your point there. Obviously my daughter should have been drowned at birth. Hitler would have agreed with you Borker, you’re in good company.
We should meet up one day and have a chat about it.
The Dominion Post has hit a new low for me. When the front page is devoted to a plain clothes police car partially covering a disabled parking spot, with its driver at the wheel the whole time, this newspaper has come to a pretty sad place.
Like there’s nothing important happening in the country?
Do they think Bill English, who would no doubt prefer not to have a security detail, says to his cops “look lads, I’m the deputy Prime Minister and I want people to know it, so while I pop in for a haircut, make a public nuisance of yourself so it draws a bit of attention to me”?
What a bunch of venal, petty idiots the Dominion Post has become.
The gravy trains continues: the incompetent Nick Smith will travel to Copenhagen, accompanied by other 20 fellow travellers (including two “distinguihed” Maori, selected after Smith’s bribing of Iwi).
All this farce under the lazy eye and detached hand of the “man-of-steel” John Key, currently in Trinidad, who has been missing in action for weeks on the vital ETS issue.
Incompetence reigns supreme in New Zealand politics.
just imagine how many tonnes of jet fuel has been burnt ferrying these arsewipes around the world…what a sham…what a crock…the whole worlds bent …greed greed greed….
Pete George – Your conclusions are pretty obnoxious. My faith in science is as strong as its ever been. Thats why alot of people are pissed of with the “consensus” you talk about. The consensus around man made global warming is a political consensus… NOT A SCIENTIFIC consensus. Its bloody ironic how the same people who question the science around GM are so keen to follow a couple of questionable studies around man made global warming (Notice that i say man made global warming, not global warming).
Worldwide headlines “Tiger Woods seriously injured…” Suppose it is a bit more exciting than “Tiger Woods released from hospital with a cut on his head”
It’s pretty much par for the course.
Similar to “The end of climate science!” blogging is a bit more attention seeking than “a few scientists over-react to denier pressure”.
Not that the deniers will be embarrassed, just perpetually puzzled why most people don’t buy into their game.
Kaya – she is beautiful. Thanks for sharing that with us.
I cannot believe there are people around like BillyBorker (except Andrew Sullivan of course!). Here is an extract from Borkers’ “About” on his blog:
“”I’ve always been a fan of Hardy’s writing, his care for the underpriveleged and his acceptance of the fallibility of Man, yet all the while seeing Men in their ordinary lives.”"
Practice what you preach asshole. I don’t usually use this word but BORKER – YOU ARE A CUNT!
DPF – that comment surely warrants a permanent ban.
Auberon the press is seriously losing the plot, I wrote a letter to the editor pointing out their hypocrisy in the fact they had run three articles on climate change the day the emails from the bullshitters became public, they did not even acknowledge the story. My letter was also nowhere to be seen and there still has been nothing said about the bullshitters. Is it any wonder the print media are losing readers by the thousands, the bastards are their own worst enemies. They haven’t woken up to the fact they no longer can print what they like and the masses have to take it, fuckheads. Our local rag also ran the story on English and his parking problems, front page and all. These people are seriously screwed up individuals, all the crap happening in the world and these lefty two bobs think people give a flying fuck about English, treat the masses like mushrooms and feed them shit is their motto.
Went down to the club last night for a few ales, shit you wouldn’t want to be a National socialist MP, they are about as popular as a dose of pox. I think if idiot boy had walked through the door he would have been strung up, such is the anger. It’s even worst then the hatred saved for Liarbore, most around here feel deeply betrayed.
Aussies aren’t as dumb as we are, with the Opposition Senate refusing to pass their ETS even though the govt has agreed…
to key Opposition demands – including an extra A$7 billion ($8.9 billion) in aid for heavy emitters and the exclusion of agriculture – in return for passage of the legislation.
But open rebellion within the Liberals, and outright rejection of the ETS by senators of the junior Coalition partner, the Nationals, now seriously threaten the deal….
Government ministers were furious, with Assistant Climate Change Minister Greg Combet saying refusal to pass the ETS yesterday could prove only one conclusion. “That is that the extremists, the conspiracy theorists and the climate change sceptics in the Liberal Party have gained ground and are winning this argument.”
Good on ya, Aussies. Meanwhile, the NZ sheeple clap and cheer as our ETS condemns us to economic slavery. Maaaaaaa.
Borker you really are a sad fucker and haven’t got a clue what you are talking about.
Here are a couple of photos of my Down Syndrome daughter.
Thanks for sharing. I have a couple of ‘hidden’ albums on my website of photos of disabled kids (I do volunteer photography for Riding for the Disabled on occasion). It’s attitudes like billyborkers that mean they are for the ‘parents eyes only’.
The consensus around man made global warming is a political consensus… NOT A SCIENTIFIC consensus.
I agree, consensus isn’t a good word to use for ongoing science. There is a large majority scientist agreement that there is a high likelihood that we are causing climate problems that could adversely affect a lot of people and bank accounts.
a couple of questionable studies around man made global warming
There are many studies done by many groups of scientists in many countries – yes, they are all questionable as they should be. There are as many concerns that the problem is understated as there are overstated. The nature of consensus (political if you like) is that the end result is likely to be moderate rather than extreme.
Kaya, thanks for posting a picture of your lovely daughter. She looks a lot like our 4 1/2 year old daughter, but I don’t have a picture to hand. No doubt she’s an absolute delight and like us you wonder what you did before they came along.
At least now I can happily skip a certain member’s posts safe in the knowledge that they are the product of a diseased, sociopathic mind and thus won’t contain anything of value.
Quite frankly, opinions like that make it hypocritical of you to complain about any other type of discrimination. Quite baffling, actually.
Borker if you don’t understand that your agreement with science is based on faith you are no smarter than the religionists who also say “I believe it so it must be true.”
I have to agree that the science on AGW does look to be the best money can buy.
Pressure is mounting on Commonwealth leaders to make an international deal on climate change after French President Nicolas Sarkozy was added to the list of international heavyweights gatecrashing their summit.
Mr Sarkozy’s presence at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting gives it an unprecedented level of international interest and indicates concern that a hard and fast deal on cutting greenhouse gases will not be reached at a crunch United Nations summit in Copenhagen next month.
United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, head of the United Nations climate talks Ivo de Boer and Danish Prime Minister Lars Loekke Rasmussen are also attending the Chogm in Trinidad and Tobago.
It is not clear who invited Mr Sarkozy, but his decision to attend has upped the pressure on Commonwealth leaders to go to Copenhagen and for a deal on emissions cuts and penalties to be reached there.
Mr Key said the presence of Mr Sarkozy with the climate change “heavyweights” at Chogm was an attempt to build consensus on the need for a deal on emissions levels soon.
“Some of the heavy-hitters are in town to put the case when it comes to climate change. They’re using this as a staging post, if you like, going into Copenhagen.”
For those who aren’t aware, Sarkozy is a key NWO figure. This is yet more evidence that climate change is a key vehicle for one-world govt and the real agenda is not saving the planet but implementing politicial control at a global level. If you think that’s a good thing, think again because it destroys national sovereignty. Surprising really that lefties who claim to care so much about people’s democratic and human rights have been so completely taken in by this charade but there we are.
Chthoniid – I created that album for Borker’s benefit, to hopefully let him see that things aren’t always as clear cut as he imagines. Taken from a couple of different albums.
To be fair, 20 years ago I may have aborted my daughter if I had known of the Downs. Having had the pleasure of watching my girl grow and sharing some of the most amazing times in my life with her I am occasionally horrified to remember that I saw things in such a black and white fashion. Her birth was a massive attitude shift for me.
We learn as we get older that life and everything about it is far from perfect. The things that bring pleasure come from different places and often what we feel is right turns out to be wrong and vice versa. I just enjoy it.
Well done for doing your photography with the kids, your photos on here are outstanding. You would get to see some amazing happiness amongst those disabled kids, probably something Borker will never get to witness.
Actually Reid, The Liberal Party are much dumber than you think and are busy committing electoral suicide as we speak.
Their cheer squad in the commentariat – Bolt, Akerman, Devine and Blair are doing them no favours at all.
It is inconceivable that an Australian governing party would adopt a policy that would totally isolate Australia from the global political agenda, let alone be unpopular at home, especially with business.
That the Coalition are even considering it, and that key powerbrokers like Minchin are advocating such a move, is a sign of how detached the Coalition are becoming from the realities of power.
Science is in no way, shape or form based on faith, and I wish people would stop with this strawman argument.
Science is all about observation, creating a hypothesis for these observations based on current knowledge, AND THEN rigorously testing this hypothesis based on controlled experiments. The results of these experiments (and those that follow from other scientists) dictates whether the hypothesis can be accepted, modified or discarded. Faith doesn’t come into it at all.
Kaya – your daughter is an absolute treasure, and even though she is differently wired to some, she must be your pride and joy. Thank you so much for sharing her with us
As a Christian, I believe that everyone and everything has a purpose. You have been given a unique gift. Friends lost their daughter a few years back at age 3 to a rare neurological condition. In her brief life, they reckon she taught them so much about unconditional love, and that gave them immense comfort after her passing. I pray that you and your family will enjoy a long and joy-filled life together, and that your daughter will bless and enrich the lives of everyone who encounters her.
Malcolm – “you wonder what you did before they came along”. Never a truer word said, Borker seems to think it is some sort of cliche people trot out to make themselves feel better, nothing further from the truth eh!
Chicken Little – Borker doesn’t get to me, the attitude pisses me off, mainly because it is so ill informed, but nothing that will cause sleep loss.
Interesting turn of phrase, lloyd. And that’s really what it’s about, isn’t it.
“Science is in no way, shape or form based on faith, and I wish people would stop with this strawman argument. … Faith doesn’t come into it at all.”
Oh but it does, transmog. The very act of placing belief in the validity of the scientific method is an act of faith. What if something came along that was an observable phenomena that could not be explained by the scientific method? Would you discard the scientific method or would you continue to “have faith” that we just don’t have sufficient technology to replicate it under laboratory conditions?
Billyborker, occasionally you say something interesting. When you and D4J were abusing each other last week I was unsure what to make of it. Now I’ve seen how nasty you can be, can you clear up the story about Kirsty? You said:
poor old d4j was once besotted by a young woman by the name of Kirsty, last name I will not reveal, but it wasn’t Bentley. Anyhoo, I can’t blame him for being besotted, she was a charmer, attractive, intelligent, athletic and going places. Sadly for d4j, she chose to go those places with me, and the pooor old sould has never quite gotten over the heartbreak of losing her to me.
So the question is, are you a nasty hateful person or are you a nasty hateful person who also tells elaborate lies to inflict further abuse?
“Borker doesn’t get to me, the attitude pisses me off, mainly because it is so ill informed”
No, he’s not ill-informed. For some reason Billy has a need to say nasty, personal things to specific people much like some small boys like to pull wings off a fly and laugh as they watch the poor creature struggle with their deformity.
Cruel, immature, sadistic are words that describe some of his comments. Quite a shame we have to host him in our midst and I’ve never said or thought that about anyone else on here.
side show bob – It’s hard to see how the newspapers don’t get it! They have their heads so far up their own arses they can’t see that people who actually take an interest in real news stories no longer use the newspaper as their primary source. Isn’t choice wonderful.
I occasionally buy one to read with a cup of coffee but usually finish up with RSI from flicking pages to get through the ads.
I haven’t done a scientific study but the Herald must be at least 65% – 70% advertising? I know when I buy it the actual content worth reading takes about 20 minutes.
Great to see Nicky taking a couple of “House Niggers” with him when heads off to sell our country down the shitter.
You da Man Nick, that’s mighty white of you to find space for them, and of course pick up the tab, hope they got Lion Red on tap bro.
“It’s hard to see how the newspapers don’t get it!”
You could say the same thing about TV couldn’t you.
Unfortunately it does seem a fact that the majority of the population aren’t interested in what they would call high-brow but what most of us here would simply call “news” and “interesting and insightful documentaries.”
I remember Alan Gibbs’ failed attempt to get BBC Radio off the ground here which failed for precisely that reason.
Of course it doesn’t help that TV Execs who come across a quality program schedule it at 11:30PM on a week night and then turn around and say: “we tried it, but it didn’t work, so let’s just stick with Hollywood Celebs Gone Wild.”
It also doesn’t help that the majority of people appear to be so fucking brain-dead that they put up with this behaviour year after year after year.
Transmorg, the field of study you are missing is Epistemology.
Scientific beliefs are based like other beliefs on various assumptions and biases, and while vigorous empirical and theoretical research is likely to increase the accuracy of your beliefs, it still comes down to faith.
You probably haven’t even recognised that relying on the evidence supplied by the 5 human senses is a form of faith.
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DPF – I second the call for Billy Borkers punishment (suspension at the very least!). The above comment re: Kaya’s daughter is so way out of line, the bloke needs the cyber equivalent of a good kicking.
I for one wouldn’t know what to do without Shortland street it tells me how to behave in a politically correct manner and i am grateful it occupies a prime time slot paid for by my fellow countryman’s taxes. I am going to assume the next show will be the hospital saving the planet by buying carbon credits followed by a guest appearance from Nick Smith.
Actually, the more I think about it, the angrier I get. What a wanker, BB! I notice you haven’t posted much after that comment and nor should you. Hope you feel as sick to the stomach as we all do after looking back at what you wrote.
You may have been attempting some sort of Paul Henry-like humour but have been found wanting.
DPF, I know you are on holiday and, perhaps have better things to do, however given the light levels of moderation here, this example of pure, 100% bullshit needs to be jumped on.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
“…the global political agenda…”
Interesting turn of phrase, lloyd. And that’s really what it’s about, isn’t it.
“Science is in no way, shape or form based on faith, and I wish people would stop with this strawman argument. … Faith doesn’t come into it at all.”
Oh but it does, transmog. The very act of placing belief in the validity of the scientific method is an act of faith. What if something came along that was an observable phenomena that could not be explained by the scientific method? Would you discard the scientific method or would you continue to “have faith” that we just don’t have sufficient technology to replicate it under laboratory conditions?
Those of us who understand how science works would look for reasons why “an observable phenomena that could not be explained by the scientific method” existed. There would be attempts to replicate this phenomena and to see how it could be tested. It could, of course, lead to changes in the scientific method, or it could simply be an elaborate hoax.
“Those of us who understand how science works would look for reasons why “an observable phenomena that could not be explained by the scientific method” existed. There would be attempts to replicate this phenomena and to see how it could be tested. It could, of course, lead to changes in the scientific method, or it could simply be an elaborate hoax.”
So what, Billy. That doesn’t change the fact that the very act of placing belief in the validity of the scientific method is an act of faith. Face it, your argument that its merely rationality and that therefore faith doesn’t come into it, is fucked.
And BTW, everybody understands how the scientific method works – it’s not rocket science.
Borker you have no understanding of the word science. Your total stupidity in the above tread shows that you are in fact the sad type of wannabe that ends up alone with a needle somewhere. Have you wondered why you are socially a total waste of space and you have no friend? (other than the imaginary ones you will tell us about next?) If you had any intellect, I would have suggested that you read some of the shit you wrote and you will see the answer. However I realise to be able to do that, you should have some intelligence, so that will not happen.
You remind me of that other wannabe greenie here who preaches to all but has a history of violence against unarmed men and women. The two of you should get together.
billyborker said “Those of us who understand how science works ….”
borker – drop the “I know better than you” shit. You’ve shown your true colours this morning, even moreso than usual. Piss off.
DPF – I agree with the calls for a ban for borker – I don’t know what Rocketboy said to get an indefinite ban for “sheer nastiness”, but it’s hard to imagine anything more nasty than borker’s disgusting personal attack on a beautiful disabled girl.
And BTW, everybody understands how the scientific method works – it’s not rocket science
Tell that to those who believe desert myths about creation.
You know reid, when a scientist is shown a new way of understanding, he genarally says something like “Well, that’s interesting, looks like I was wrong. this new information changes the way we thought x worked and gives a greater understanding of x and Y”
I never hear people of faith use words like these.
kaya, thanks for sharing the pic of your beautiful daughter. What is scary is that the Govt has a new screening programme for unborn children with Down Syndrome. I remember seeing a TV programme about a woman with a Down Syndrome child who had to make the decision when she found out that her child was going to be born with DS.
She decided to have it, and she mentioned that the child had brought such joy to their family; DS children, she said, are known to be very affectionate. After that she actually adopted another two DS children I think.
Please though, don’t make the mistake of thinking that just because you’re a conservative that therefore you think Palin is any good. Most people I’ve spoken to have always thought she is a lightweight bimbo and that’s always been my own personal view.
The biggest shame regarding man made global warming is the fact it has become a political issue, as once politicians get involved, the truth becomes murkier and murkier, the proof lies in those leaked emails. Researchers are being paid by both sides of the debate to come up with predetermined conclusions.
The outcome of what happens in Copenhagen is likely to stiffle the poorer countries, keep protectionism strong, probably cause the rich countries to become richer and probably cause more damage to the environment than what would happen if the measures never came into place. The various ETS’s around the world are a classic example of this… For example, europe is protecting its farmers for a long time, NZ isn’t, so european farmers will continue to produce more and more products inefficiently that cause a higher per unit output of greenhouse gases, the net result being that in the case of agriculture, the ETS is causing more greenhouse gases to be released into the environment than what would have happened if we had done absolutely nothing.
“Kaya, why the fuck would I waste my time with pictures of retards?”.
If that is what passes in your mind as a “considered opinion”, you’ve got some problems, pal.I thought D4J’s call for the men in white coats was over the top, however now I believe it to be on the button.
An opinion – any opinion – is worthwhile. Dross such as the crap you spat at Kaya, is not.
You know Billy, when a Christian is shown a new insight into the Bible, he generally says something like “Well, that’s interesting, looks like I was wrong. This new information changes the way we thought x worked and gives a greater understanding of x and y”
So what’s your point, Billy?
The mere fact you’ve never heard people of faith use words like these, doesn’t mean they haven’t used them.
Garth McVicar doesn’t scare me at all, but i find him to be an abhorrent little cretin who has made a living trading on the pain of others. It is good to his trust will be exposed for what it is.
I have no bones with him lobbying, but a political lobbyist is not a charity and should not be treated as such.
Time for him to stop sucking the public teat and get a real job.
Banana Llama , just like the politicians like them, dumb as fuck and dependant. Is it any wonder the world has such problems. Thank God we have Mac Daddy, we are all saved, Geeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
How the hell can fighting for victims rights be a bad thing?
The real issue you have with him is that he does not agree with the ‘left wing bible’.
Why is it that you pinko’s cannot allow anybody to have a differing opinion?, that is not something you see on the right, we can and do have differing opinions but we do not seek to demonise those who do not agree.
Billybroker, I guess you can say you should have faith in science, raw science. But reading what you know in the papers isn’t my idea of raw science. You don’t have to go back to far in time to show you what I mean. The bird flu. What happened to that? Doctors in the UN were saying this COULD be pandemic proportions. Remember? Doctors, wow they said it. it must be true. This could be said of the swine flu. What happened? I can tell you what happened. The companies that manufacturer and distribute tamiful made billions. Yet more people died by the common flu, if there is one, each year. When money and greed and politics are mixed in with science, you have a problem. Now we have this incredibly redicuolous ETS law spearheaded by our Prime Minister which I hope it will take him down.
“Garth McVicar doesn’t scare me at all, but i find him to be an abhorrent little cretin who has made a living trading on the pain of others.”
The only people who don’t like what Sensible Sentencing says and does are the politicians who don’t like being told what to do, lefties who love violent criminals, journos who can’t think properly and that’s the vast majority of them and the violent criminals.
The rest of us think it does a great job and recognise it fills a legitimate need in the community which for far too long has been totally neglected by the justice system which for some reason is only now bringing itself to acknowledge that the most important people in the whole process and not the fucking crims but the victims.
what about just repeating the lies/allegations that a person is a ‘p’-cook/manufacturer/retailer..?
does that ‘rate’..?
does that get you all ‘upset’..?
or..is your ‘upsetness’..
..more ideological in flavor..?
never laughed so hard, this from a little weed who violently abuses women with a weapon. Invades their space and threaten them. Big man! And he is taking the moral high ground. Now I found that phrase offensive scanner, but the wannabe greenie pretending to be of better character?!? WTF he who has to get woman to give him what he wants by using a weapon? he who is then so stupid that he is caught and does time? It get better.
This sad loser pretends to be green, yet tortures his dogs. Is against GM but decides he knows better than nature and deprives his dogs of their real food. But better still. Chthoiid is a real environmentalist, who actually gets out there and contributes to the conservation effort. Professionally and around the world. A real environmentalist. And one with atalent that he likes to share. Something he does in his spare time. The sad arsed little waste of space Phil, only has wet dreams about the great oputdoors, because the skinny underfed little weed is to weak and sick to make it to a job, never mind out to help save the planet. So what does he do? He goes and find a gallery of award winning photographs BY OTHER PEOPLE (PROFESSIONALS) and holds that up as his betterment of Chthoiid’s offerings.
Jesus even your “radio station” failed because you did not have enough talent to PLAY OTHER PEOPLE’S music.
You and Borker what a pair.
Comon Farrar ban me again it will be an honour rather than be allowed where these bottom dwellers hang out.
Garth McVicar doesn’t scare me at all, but i find him to be an abhorrent little cretin who has made a living trading on the pain of others. It is good to his trust will be exposed for what it is.
LOL
You make a judgment? WTF?!? After what you said above you want to have some moral stand? or pretend to have some sort of principles?
“cretin who has made a living trading on the pain of others”
Sorry cannot help it but this is pure gold.
What you do it just for fun as we have seen above with your hurtful comments about some-ones child. You sad little loser. Even your own arguments deal to you. How pathetic are you?
Chthoiid I just spent a week in the Hauraki gulf. Had pods of orca visiting us on two ocassions. they hung around for up to an hour each time. as close as 10 meters. They were hunting stingrays in issie bay and then out around the back of Waiheke.
I too would like to apologize for some of the comments that have been made here regarding your daughter this morning. She is just beautiful (but of course as her mum you already know that)
When I was about 16 I read a wonderful autobiography of a mother whose daughter had been born with Downe’s syndrome. It was an incredibly uplifting story which detailed the wonderful contribution her daughter had made to not just her own family but to the entire community. Her daughter lived a full and happy life. It was a story that had a real impact on me, and helped me to understand the real value of the life we lead.
A presentation of probably of the most infamous CRU emails, what the conspiracy theorists say about them, and the contextual explanations ( think the term ‘defence’ is inappropriate).
The other day I posted here a critique of an article by Chris de Freitas published in the NZ Herald. I was critical of the apparent duplicitous content evident in his article. I have also posted on comments here by Owen McShane, whom I hold in equally low esteem. Well, I’m not the only one…
None of these cranks should be accorded any respect in future. By their words shall we know them, and their words show them to be ignorant, bullying fools. De Freitas should withdraw and apologise, or resign from his post at Auckland University, and if Treadgold, Dunleavy, McShane, Leyland,or any other member of the NZ CSC want to partake in public debate on the subject of climate science, they should expect derision to be heaped on them and their views.
Visitors to Kiwiblog confused by the noise here over climate change should follow this link to a posting by a respected and published scientist on how de Freitas is alleged to be associated with falsifying data to arrive at erroneous and mischievous conclusions.
Garth McVicar is a decent person. I don’t support all of his views, but he does have significant backing in NZ. The problem he faces is not that he is political, it is the solutions needed are necessarily political. He can’t imprison anyone lawfully for any longer than the sentence given,
Similarly groups like Greenpeace will not be able to be Registered Charities as they focus on political action, not environmental projects like groups like Karori Wildlife Sanctury or Keep NZ Beautiful.
Luc – please look up juggernaut at dictionary.com.
It can’t be put back in the box Luc, no matter how many links you post here of people sticking their fingers in their ears and going ‘lalalalalala’, you nor anyone can put it back in box.
So Luc as an example of how despised these people are you hold up ???? an alarmist blog that has more skeptic comments than AGW comments? That is like wanting to find out scientifically if America is a bad place and you do that by asking Osama Ben Laden.
# Chicken Little (555) Vote: Add rating 11 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Luc, my little friend – I repeat – REAL CLIMATE HAVE TURNED THEIR COMMENTS OFF – I WONDER WHY?
Sheeeesh, like trying to bath a cat.
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A quick check on Real Climate’s second “email” thread (CRU Hack on their site) reveals the number of comments has increased form 79s yesterday to 814 today. It’s not turned off. I wonder if Chicken is confusing RC with the CRU?
Now, Chicken is keen on tying me up doing research for him that he is going to reject out of hand, anyway, so Chicken, I politely decline your invitation to be so occupied but do suggest you question Real Climate directly on their science, by all means. If you don’t keep it reasonably polite, it won’t make it through the moderation process.
And as I have demonstrated, their are plenty of places to visit with rational articles on the emails. Now the dust is settling, the overall effect of the emails released actually paints a group of scientists dedicated to scientific truth.
Why have the hackers only released only 1000 odd emails out of many thousands? Well, one explanation is maybe because the rest can’t be twisted out of context and show the scientists simply doing their job in an overwhelmingly collegial and honest atmosphere.
Saying for the day: Sanity cannot be imposed on people
Luc’s just desperately trying not to look like a complete fool. You can’t blame him, because he’s just realised that no-one with a 3-digit IQ buys AGW and he’s either got to do a complete flip-flop which lefties find hard to do, or pretend that the “science” really does have legs, lest we conclude that, like all warmaholics, he’s a complete idiot.
Shit Luc, just being over reading the comments posted concerning the chief snake oil salesman’s latest rantings. The man’s getting the shit kicked out of him. Your fantasies of the NWO and unbridled socialism is in it’s death throes, Gore and his fallow fucktards are getting their arses handed to them on a plate. Carbonhargen will be a glorified dog and pony show, the dream is over Luc, better go out and buy some more tin foil to wrap you head in.
Kaya
When I was a teen I read The Clowns of God by Morris West which pretty much sorts people out according to their worth.
I came to a realisation about disablement and our attitudes when I spoke to some one who’s body had degenerated so that even I (to my shame) had labeled them in my own mind.
On spending time with them it became apparent that they were a fully functioning person with intelligence and a sense of humour inside a vehicle that didn’t respond to their requests and I had to reflect on what it must be like for them as a whole person (not physical) inside a non responsive body.
It was a growing point for me and I have thought often on other peoples disabilities and the so called normal people.
even more so when I read articles on people in comas and think on the last day when we all kneel before whatever God we have worshipped in our hearts, whatever that/who may be.
Even if it is ourselves
Kim Hill is crap at interviewing anyone on anything technical. And she was especially crap during that interview. But it’s still interesting to hear Richard Gage.
Chthoniid – I created that album for Borker’s benefit, to hopefully let him see that things aren’t always as clear cut as he imagines. Taken from a couple of different albums.
I liked the way you used the tree trunks to frame your daughter, and had her posed turned slightly and leaning forward.
Downs Syndrome kids are often the happiest children you can run into, so they do make good photographic subjects . if the capacity to enjoy life counts for anything, then Downs Syndrome kids deserve to have their chance. Anyway, raising children with disabilities is one of the toughest assignments you can take on. So you have my respect.
Alas, there are also the kids you watch with incurable, terminal conditions, hurtling towards their premature death. They’re harder to photograph.
Chthoiid I just spent a week in the Hauraki gulf. Had pods of orca visiting us on two ocassions. they hung around for up to an hour each time. as close as 10 meters. They were hunting stingrays in issie bay and then out around the back of Waiheke.
I only had the iphone to take shots with.
Ouch, that’s not really a scene designed for the iphone.
I think the missed opportunity that rankles the most for me, is seeing a Florida panther (in Florida naturally) and not having a camera to take the photo. These days, a decent (SLR) camera goes with me almost everywhere.
This recent post of mine has gained traction around the world. Don’t expect to see it in the media here.
The Climate Research Unit (CRU) E-mails Indicate the Emergence of ‘Tribal Science’.
Is this an Unexpected Outcome of the Internet?
During his last years, the late Aaron Wildavsky, then Dean of the School of Public Policy at UC Berkeley, became more and more interested in the role of group ‘culture’ in shaping social behaviour. One of his observations was that the more the individual is incorporated into a bonded unit, the more the individual’s choice is subject to group determination.
Aaron was generally regarded as ‘the father of Public Policy’ and in this group of books and papers he was challenging the ‘rational man’ model of decision-making. He was not denying the importance of reason and scientific method, but was emphasising that human behaviour is also modified by strongly held beliefs and traditions, and in particular, by group loyalties.
I suspect if Aaron were still alive he would be setting a bunch of his graduate students onto this episode of the leaked Climate Research Unit emails as a textbook example of how a ‘culture of group belief’ can impact on the behaviour of the supposedly rational and impartial people who are presumed to occupy the scientific community.
These emails may be an early demonstration of one of the downsides of the internet, and of email in particular.
The rapid and prolific communication enabled by email certainly promotes the free and widespread sharing of information and knowhow.
But the same ease of communication may well be promoting the development of inward-looking and intolerant tribal cultures that can seriously undermine the long established disciplines and traditions of the scientific community.
Scientists have always been passionate about their theories. Dawkins, Teller, Feynman, Pinker, Gould and Gliek are hardly famous for their lack of commitment to their beliefs.
But prior to the internet, such scientists have tended to be passionate individuals working at their desks, within their own studies, and sharing their ideas with suitably sceptical colleagues and graduate students.
Fifteen years ago I presented a paper to the QUEST and Associates AGM in Florida, on how the internet would promote what I called ‘Tribal Marketing’.
The release of the CRU emails suggests that sadly the internet has now promoted the development of ‘Tribal Science’.
Certainly the key players, as revealed in this collection of leaked emails, have been behaving like members of a fervent and passionate tribe – defending their territory, shaping evidence to support their beliefs, and waging war on outsiders.
Wildavsky would have been the first to point out that there is no need to call on conspiracy theory, or financial incentives, to explain this tribal behaviour; just the power of the culture of the group.
The CRU team and their internet colleagues had taken on the intolerant behaviour and intemperate language of the fervent tribes that build up around the more extremist blog sites on the Internet.
Maybe the Royal Society and similar organisations will need to develop a new set of protocols and charters to deal with this new phenomenon.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
kaya, thanks for sharing the pic of your beautiful daughter. What is scary is that the Govt has a new screening programme for unborn children with Down Syndrome. I remember seeing a TV programme about a woman with a Down Syndrome child who had to make the decision when she found out that her child was going to be born with DS.
She decided to have it, and she mentioned that the child had brought such joy to their family; DS children, she said, are known to be very affectionate. After that she actually adopted another two DS children I think.
There is a simple test that has the potential to reduce in the incidence of Downs births by around 50%. Why shouldn’t it be used?
If there was a treatment we could use to INCREASE Downs births by 50%, do you think we should use that so we’d have more Affectionate Downs kiddies?
Owen, I think your suggestion is a load of bollocks designed to advance your organisations agenda of questioning the mainstream view on AGW.
The internet is a form of communications that, like other advances in communications before it, improves the flow of information and the understanding between what would otherwise be disparate groups.
The development of communications has lead to what we call the global village, we recognise that it is the regimes that do not want their people to understand the rest of the world who work to suppress internet access.
All through cyberspace we have blogs such as this one where people of differing views from the whole world can and do interact, in the short term this may not lead to a heck of a lot of minds being changed, but for some of us it at least leads to a recognition that even those we most vehemently disagree with usually have to them at least, good reasons for their views, that they are genuine in their views.
You’re suggesting that without the web, cliques wouldn’t form, but cliques have always existed.
“The CRU team and their internet colleagues had taken on the intolerant behaviour and intemperate language of the fervent tribes that build up around the more extremist blog sites on the Internet.”
Comparing the CRU emails to the intolerant behaviour and intemperate language of extremist blog sites is just bloody ridiculous. Haven’t you read any of Redbaiter’s and D4J’s comments? and I hope you don’t regard kiwiblog as an extremist blog site.
billyborker says “Kaya, why the fuck would I waste my time with pictures of retards?”
David Farrar, I have seen you give demerit points and comments for far less offensive blog entries.
I find this comment disgusting and appalling. There are many people in this world who have different issues and problems and the substance of a civilised world is to accept people for who they are, not condemn them because they are different.
You have been in Israel, learned of their issues, and I would have thought the least you could have done was to censure this blogger for his hurtful, cruel comments. You do have that ability and it is your blog site.
I start off reading this thread and your comment on McVicar having to spread his bitterness and prejudice in his own time rather than with the taxpayers’ subsidy he presently enjoys and prepare to write a comment commending you.
Then I read your comments on kaya’s daughter and discover that your bitterness and prejudice runs far deeper than does McVicar’s, and it’s aimed at the most helpless and deserving amongst us.
I would get angry, but in truth I suspect you are simply one of those people who likes to draw attention to themselves through outraging others with absurd and deliberately provocative Tourettes-like outbursts, akin to a naughty child yelling an obscenity in a shopping centre or Micael Lhaws writing a column.
I was a bit distracted towards the end of that post.
I also forgot to put McShane’s name in bold.
Naturally, that post and the one above at 1.16pm attracted the usual hysterical chatter from the eclectic collection of extremists, conspiracy theorists and contrarians, complete with the obligatory ad hominems. My advice to visitors is to ignore the noise and go to reputable sources of evidence based science.
In particular, while the ETS seems to have the inside running around the world, the EU having gotten a head start on the rest of us, Bjorn Lomborg, through his site Copenhagen Consensus leads us to cutting edge research on alternative scenarios to ETS schemes.
This blog has sunk to a new low, by allowing personal degrodation of someones daughter, let alone of a child with a disability such as Downs Syndrome.
I commend Kaya for allowing us all to view her photos, a very brave thing to do. Kaya did not deserve the vile filthy comments made by billyborker.
David Farrar, you gave me demerits for making fun of H2, and I deserved that. But, hey, she is in the public arena. But to allow these comments to be made about an innocent person does not do this blog site any favours.
Yes, how’s that evidence based science coming along with accounting for the temp fluctuations that are visible in the geologic record, Luc? Not to mention the correlation with the sun cycles.
Kick me all you like, but FIRST, get your facts straight. I didn’t introduce Kaya’s daughter to the debate, she did that all by herself.
kaya (551) 24 4 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Borker you are a crass and obnoxious piece of shit. Your attempts at humour are pathetic. Your dig at someone’s depression is right up there with your views on “sub optimal” people like my daughter. Remember your beautiful piece on Down syndrome? Fuck off.
This is in reference to a blog post I made ages ago about testing for Downs and aborting. Kaya read it and chose to engage in vile insult, I didn’t play, but today, she wants to play the man not the ball, and you all fall swooning at her feet.
So abuse away, but get the ducks lined up in a row first.
For the record, I believe we shoud test for Downs, and other genetic disorders, and abort.
Kids with Downs are not beautiful and they grow in to fucking ugly, retarded and criminal adults.
“I was only seeking clarification on the extent of abuse leveled at Phils kids.”
Yes, I don’t recall any direct references to Phil’s child, except in relation to what some believe is his misfortune to have the parent he has. Which is not BTW my own opinion.
I don’t get why Phil & peanut think I’m having a go at his kids. I know some guys here get real personal with Phil, But I’ve never seen anyone say anything like his kids should have been aborted, which is what Billy said to Kaya.
Phill:
It’s not ok to abuse the kids like borker did, but I have only seen people criticize your parenting, of which I know nothing and won’t go there, tell me you have had similar abuse and I will support your position.
I really shouldn’t because as I said above I think you’re being deliberately provocative, but just in case you’re not and there’s some hope for you…
You can surely see the difference between testing for genetic defects and giving parents the choice (agonising though it may be, and I’m not at all sure I’d opt to have it done if I had any more children) and mandating abortion in such circumstances?
And a reference, please, for your assertion that Downs Syndrome children grow into “criminal adults”.
I have never seen any definitive clinical study proving the link. I think you’re confusing the incidence of MPAs (minor physical abnormalities) and aggressive behaviour (which can predicate criminality, though not necessarily so).
MPAs are present in a number of conditions including FAS (foetal alcohol syndrome) entirely unrelated to Downs but whose sufferers do tend to show up disproportionately in criminal statistics.
In “The Causes and Cures of Criminality” Hans Eysenck and Gisli Gudjonsson note that:
…the “threshold” at which diathesis is turned into actual criminal conduct is determined by various social and environmental factors such as unemployment, severity of laws and rigors of enforcement.
They also note that:
No studies seem to have been done comparing criminals with non-criminals with respect to MPAs…
…but perhaps you know something they don’t? For my part I can say that having dealt now with dozens of cases and visited prisons and seen thousands of prisoners I have not seen a single Downs Syndrome person amongst them.
The more I hear from you, the more your attitude toward criminality coupled with your complete ignorance as to its causation make you and Garth McVicar the perfect bedfellows.
billyborker said “Kids with Downs are not beautiful and they grow in to fucking ugly, retarded and criminal adults.”
You have evidence of this borker (especially the criminal bit)? After all, you are the one who was boasting earlier that you know all about science and proof and all that.
“Having had the pleasure of watching my girl grow and sharing some of the most amazing times in my life with her I am occasionally horrified to remember that I saw things in such a black and white fashion. Her birth was a massive attitude shift for me.”
O.k. what I meant was: Hey Phil, Has anyone made such an outrageous assertion such as that made today, with respect to your kids? Because if so, that’s just not on and I think you have every right to be damn angry about it.
Kinda thought the general tone followed from my other posts, but apologies for the confusion.
I reckon. Borker’s conduct today has been cowardly and totally out-of-line, and I hope that DPF, when he awakens and logs in, will do the right thing and give him the flick.
Rex, the use of the word criminal was a mistake, I attempted to edit as i meant to write … ugly, retarded and useless adults.
Sadly, the edit function doesn’t always work.
Furthermore, I may be advocating for abortion of foetuses identified as being downs, but I have not advocated it be compulsory. Hence my reference above that full scale testing could lead to a reduction of 50% in downs births, not 100% as it would be were abortion compulsory.
# Leonidas (80) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
O.k. what I meant was: Hey Phil, Has anyone made such an outrageous assertion such as that made today, with respect to your kids? Because if so, that’s just not on and I think you have every right to be damn angry about it.
Kinda thought the general tone followed from my other posts, but apologies for the confusion.
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No need for the explanation Leonidas, I think probably 99.9% of us know what your meaning was.
You bewdy! A rare test victory for the Black Caps after all seemed lost half an hour after the tea adjournment. Great spells from Bond and O’Brien in the last session. O’Brien was especially impressive after dislocating a finger on his bowling hand soon after tea.
Sure, the NZ batting was brittle (as usual), but a win is a win is a win
“Ugly” – entirely subjective. I truly found kaya’s daughter beautiful. OTOH I find Paris Hilton repulsive, and not just for her behaviour. Many disagree (as the worldwide outbreak of crotch-scratching that follows in her wake attests). So we’re going to start culling based on appearance now? I’d better check into the nearest processing centre for turning into compost then.
“Retarded” – in the purely scientific sense, yes, though it’s rather an archaic term now. However there are plenty of people who don’t suffer from Downs, or any other visible abnormality, and yet who are “retarded”. For instance the perfectly normal-looking lunatic against whom I am endeavouring to get a permanent restraining order (working pro bono for a friend) writes stuff like:
also – public disclosure statement, I believe the judge in my chambers sess votag, knows cops are like honestly totally bent over. he said you have no defence – what he said, or cops may not even have any, I wonder if I will get an offer?
Hardly the writings of someone whose mind is working normally. Yet not able to be identified in the womb. So what do we do with them, billy? Shoot them after birth? This guy is in his 30s… is a spot of retrospective eugenics okay then? (If you think so, please let me know. I’ll have you dispatch him and effectively kill two loons* with one stone, as it were).
I’d argue that there are plenty of “retarded” people (if one takes the definition as “intellectually sub normal”) people in the world, most of whom do not suffer from Downs. Have you ever tried to debate the validity of a ticket with a parking inspector, for instance?
“Useless” – what, like a List MP? Or someone chronically unemployed? Or what about the aged and infirm? Do you envisage a sort of “Logan’s Run” scenario to deal with them?
You’ve retreated from “criminals” because you know it’s statistically unprovable to a list of entirely subjective criteria for which, presumably, some Tribunal would be the judge. Headed by yourself, no doubt?
* Excuse the avian pun, it’s not meant to be an ad hominem, I just couldn’t resist.
That explains a lot, Lyttleton is perhaps the last ‘union’ town in New Zealand and a place where people still argue over the merits of a strike thirty years ago.
And yes, for those of you who have never been but are imagining Lytttelton as a grubby little shit hole populated by ships sluts , labour supporters and union scum…you would be dead right.
And what a bad day for kiwiblog, billyborker your contemptible comments on GD today really take the cake. Did you use to wet the bed when you were a child or something?
You have been added permanently to my RIP- goodbye for ever, you contemptible turd. Karma will get you you sad little fuckwit.
has anyone else noticed that dubai reneging on $60 billion in debt..has become the latest flash-point in the ongoing global economic meltdown..?
the former head economist at the imf..sez if this is not totally sorted out/’clarified’ by the time the american stock exchange opens on (our) mon nite..
that next week on that stock exchange will be ..in his word.. ‘tricky’..
(most exposed..?..european banks/commonwealth bank in australia/korean banks + pretty much everyone..
the potential ‘ripples’ are somewhat awesome..
but..funnily enough..
said economist also said the problems in dubai fade into irrelevance when considered against the problems facing america..
Enjoyed a good day at the Uni Oval. Actually the first test I have been to see. Interesting day of ebbs and flows, thought we had stuffed up, then we came back, then it seemed to be slipping away, but they held their nerve and kept plugging away and the wickets started tumbling.
Can’t have been many test wins in Dunedin for quite a while?
One question though, when on earth are the black caps going to find decent openers? 2, just 2, cricketers in the 4 million people in NZ that can score runs at the top.
You may say Guptill shows promise, and McIntosh, and perhaps they do, but they are not scoring runs, and that is what we all thought about Papps/How/Redmond/Vincent/Sinclair…………………….
Glad you had a great day Pete. Rumours of the demise of test cricket would appear to be greatly exaggerated. It was a cracking last day.
We beat Bangladesh at Dunners two years ago (if that counts) – prior to that the last win in the world’s southernmost test venue might have been against Pakistan in 1984-5 where Jeremy Coney and Ewen Chatfield added 50-odd undefeated, effectively for the last wicket after Lance Cairns had copped one to the swede.
I still find the developments unfolding in a good test fascinating, it was at least as good as watching a one day game today. And watching at the ground you miss all the comments and replays but you see a lot of others things going on that you don’t see on TV.
You know pentwig, I think I’ve figured out why the Greens are polling below the threshold at the moment.
The vast silent reading majority on Kiwiblog just has to read one of Phool’s rants, work out this is typical of the Greens, and make a rational deduction. Phool=Greens=Electoral Roadkill.
Phillip Ure said “it isn’t about the mindless trolls there..
it’s about the fact that that forum has the largest readership..”
Sheeeee-itt! If Phil’s “news aggregation service” is in the top 1% of Technorati’s global rankings as claimed by its author, where would the forum which “has the largest readership” rate?
UN scientists turn on each other: UN Scientist Declares Climategate colleagues Mann, Jones and Rahmstorf ’should be barred from the IPCC process’ — They are ‘not credible any more’
UN IPCC’s Eduardo Zorita: ‘By writing these lines I will just probably achieve that a few of my future studies will, again, not see the light of publication’
Friday, November 27, 2009 – By Marc Morano – Climate Depot
A UN scientist is declaring that his three fellow UN climate panel colleagues “should be barred from the IPCC process.” In a November 26, 2009 message on his website, UN IPCC contributing author Dr. Eduardo Zorita writes: “CRU files: Why I think that Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred from the IPCC process.”
Zorita writes that the short answer to that question is: Short answer: “Because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore.”
Zorita indicates that he is aware that he is putting his career in jeopardy by going after the upper echelon of UN IPCC scientists. “By writing these lines I will just probably achieve that a few of my future studies will, again, not see the light of publication,” Zorita candidly admits, a reference to the ClimateGate emails discussing how to suppress data and scientific studies that do not agree with the UN IPCC views.
Zorita was a UN IPCC Contributing Author of Fourth Assessment Report in 2007. Since 2003, Zorita as headed the Department of Paleoclimate and has been a senior scientist at the Institute for Coastal Research of the GKSS Research Centre in Germany. Zorita has published more than 70 peer-reviewed scientific studies.
Zorita’s stunning candor continued, noting that scientists who disagreed with the UN IPCC climate view were “bullied and subtly blackmailed.”
“In this atmosphere, Ph D students are often tempted to tweak their data so as to fit the ‘politically correct picture’. Some, or many issues, about climate change are still not well known. Policy makers should be aware of the attempts to hide these uncertainties under a unified picture. I had the ‘pleasure’ to experience all this in my area of research,” Zorita explained.
[Zorita's full statement is reprinted below.]
Continuing fallout of ClimateGate
Zorita’s revelations are the latest in a series of continuing fallout to the global warming establishment and to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), since the email and data scandal dubbed “ClimateGate” broke earlier this month.
Zorita’s defection from the global warming establishment comes after the shocking news today that one of the scientists employed at ground zero of what has been termed “ClimateGate” has suggested disbanding the United Nations climate panel, the IPCC. See: Pressure Mounts From Inside: Disband IPCC? Scientist from U. of East Anglia Suggests ‘UN IPCC has run its course…politicizes climate science…authoritarian, exclusive form of knowledge production’ – Mike Hulme Excerpt: ClimateGate reveals science has become ‘too partisan, too centralized…more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures’
In addition, scientists from around the world are now demanding that the “ClimateGate” scientists be banned from future UN IPCC climate work. See: More ClimateGate Fallout: Prominent German Scientist Declares ‘Compromised’ UN Scientists should be excluded from IPCC and Peer-Review Process – November 24, 2009
Meanwhile, pressure to fire or resign continues to increase for the man at the center of the ClimateGate scandal, Phil Jones. See: Phil Jones, the Fall Guy? Scientist in climate change ‘cover-up’ storm told to quit – UK Daily Mail – Nov. 25, 2009
Caught in Another Untruth? THEN: UN IPCC’s Phil Jones, Dec 3, 2008: ‘About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little – if anything at all’ – NOW: UN IPCC’s Phil Jones, Nov 24, 2009: ‘We’ve not deleted any emails or data here at CRU’
The New ‘Deniers’: UK Greenie George Monbiot: ‘Most of the environmentalists I know have gone into denial’ — ‘Pretending the climate email leak isn’t a crisis won’t make it go away’ – Monbiot: ‘There is no helping it; Phil Jones has to go, and the longer he leaves it, the worse it will get’ – UK Daily Mail – Nov. 25, 2009
Bout time we had someone of substance in a national team, instead of the many bad behaving, underperformaing prima donnas. Elliot has a bit of that same substance about him IMO.
big bruv – I’m actually looking forward to the rugby in the morning – the forward confrontation is shaping up as the best of the season. It might not be pretty, but I reckon that it could be a good, old-fashioned stoush
Yeah, I’ll still watch the French test in the morning, at least there is more uncertainty about it than the last few. But a good chance it won’t be pretty.
…Hey Phil, Has anyone made such an outrageous assertion such as that made today, with respect to your kids? Because if so, that’s just not on and I think you have every right to be damn angry about it.
Well, I’ve only been on KiwiBlog for a bit over a year, and in my experience, no. The Phool is completely delusional and lives in a Quixotic world where his opponents are evil, and he slays them with a quick retort. In the real-world, he’s a parasitic fuckwit with no real friends. Foot fungus has more charisma and wit. So the delusion thing is infinitely preferable for him.
Tiger and Elin had a fight so Tiger scarpered in the Escalade. She chased after him with the golf club, smashing the back window. It appears she caused his facial injuries.
Just when you thought Gordon wasn’t already a total prick:
An international satellite monitoring system to check countries comply with new climate change targets was proposed by Gordon Brown last night as a way of binding developing nations into a new deal on the environment.
It is part of a desperate bid by the Prime Minister to ensure a climate change deal can be salvaged at the Copenhagen summit in 10 days time.
Last night at a meeting in Trinidad he reached agreement with Commonwealth leaders and Nicolas Sarkozy, the French President, to put forward a new £10 billion fund to tackle what Mr Brown said was “a climate emergency.”
He said the Launch Fund would allow the world to break the “deadlock” over a deal at Copenhagen and “get moving on climate change as quickly as possible”.
Mr Brown said: “’Together the collective power of the Commonwealth must be brought together to tackle a new historic injustice [another code word of the International Left], that of climate change.”
Ahead of the UN-sponsored climate change conference in the Danish capital, Mr Brown proposed a £10 billion rich-world fund – to which Britain would contribute £800 million – to give incentives to developing countries to halt deforestation, develop low-carbon energy sources and prepare for the effects of a warmer climate.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Good news? Well, potentially good news, professional grandstander and revictimiser, Grant McVicar may well have to find an honest job as the Charities Commission looks set to decline the (In)sensible Sentencing Trust’s charitable status.
This trust was never a charity, it was always a front for McVicar to press his own agenda, all the while sucking from the taxpayers’ teat.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Anyones faith in Science shaken over the last week?
Will MSM ever recover from sitting back and saying nothing for so long while online serious questions were raised?
IF what these documents point to is true – ie – These people have been using sloppy sloppy science to convince the world there is a problem when really there’s not – will this be the scandal of the millennium? – no hyperbole intended.
How big a cock is Nick Smith, JK et al going to feel like in the next few month IF this stuff is true?
November 28th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Anyones faith in Science shaken over the last week?
No, because scientific knowledge doesn’t require faith.
How big a cock is Nick Smith, JK et al going to feel like in the next few month IF this stuff is true?
I thought Nick Smith was on drugs for depression, not impotence.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:24 am
For all you parents or those interested – take the kids to the Porirua Police Museum. I took my kids there and they loved it. They were able to dress up in the latest police uniforms – the stab proof vests are heavy! And they were then given a missing person’s mystery to solve as we went around. The mystery wasn’t that easy and the adults will have as much fun doing it as the kids did. The exhibits range from issues of today – right through to when the police started. A few grisily ones are in there as well. So well worth the visit. It’s opposite Aotea Lagoon near Whitby and in the police training college. Not open Sunday’s. http://www.police.govt.nz/service/museum/index.html
November 28th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Here comes the next National Party fuck up. Christ they are fucking hopelss.
Taxpayers to pick up finance sector tab
By Adam Bennett View as one page
4:00 AM Saturday Nov 28, 2009
New Zealand’s own sub-prime crisis, the finance company collapse that began with a trickle of failures in 2006 and became a landslide by 2008, entered a period of remission last year with the introduction of the Retail Deposit Guarantee Scheme.
Treasury set aside an $816 million provision in the June quarter Crown accounts to cover claims under the guarantee it deemed were “more likely than not” to occur.
Three months later the sum had risen by a further $47 million to $863 million.
More at; http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10612144
November 28th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Great to see illy orker in a typical obnoxious frame of mindset. They say a bit of rain makes North Canterbury weeds grow well. Have a warm cup of round up you bb dork.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:35 am
IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOUR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND
YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU ENTER NEW ZEALAND ILLEGALLY YOU GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENSE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE,
CREDIT CARDS, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, FREE EDUCATION, FREE
HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN WELLINGTON AND IN MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN VOTE.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:41 am
http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2009/11/phil-goff-as-new-hone-harawira.html
Have a look: Thanks, Lee MWT
November 28th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Viking2 – At least we’re not paying for these collapses… all our creditors are. And if the next government is as willing to borrow up large, and spend up large and not bring in some much needed changes as that knob john key and all his lackeys, then we never will have to pay for it as we will go bankrupt.
I’ve sat in on seminars and presentations with economists and the overwhelming feel is that without massive changes to the tax structure (as treasury has said is needed), we are going to experience a massive assset devaluation(ie, property and farming collapse) at best, or wholesale national bankruptsy at worst
November 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Did you have to shout Scanner? Cuba doesn’t have a border but a coastline. Otherwise typical biased fun to be laughed at.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Borker – You have faith that the people doing the science are doing so in a proper manner. In other words you trust that they have followed the scientific method. This doesn’t seem to be the case here.
We were considering the future of the planet (their words) on what these people were saying.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:01 am
What tax changes are recommended Charlie?
November 28th, 2009 at 9:12 am
“US authorities say Tiger Woods has been seriously injured in a car wreck in Florida.
The Florida Highway Patrol says the PGA star hit a fire hydrant and a tree as he pulled out of his driveway early Friday in his 2009 Cadillac sport utility vehicle.
Woods was taken to Health Central Hospital. His condition was not immediately known, though the news release said his injuries were serious.”
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Jesus Christ! How fast can you go out of a DRIVEWAY? Has he got a 2km drive and did he take a run at it to get up enough speed to seriously injure himeslf?
November 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am
LC – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/economic-policy/news/article.cfm?c_id=185&objectid=10606129 highlights the latest report. Previous recomendations have been to flatten the tax rate, decrease the burden on income taxes, increase gst to offset these if neccessary. I don’t agree with all that the treasury says(eg i think we should have a huge huge cut in government spending) but the overall message is good.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Chicken Little (553) Vote: 1 0 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Borker – You have faith that the people doing the science are doing so in a proper manner. In other words you trust that they have followed the scientific method. This doesn’t seem to be the case here.
Faith? No. Trust? Maybe.
The ting with science is that it is, eventually, self correcting. Unlike faith or belief, scientific hypothesis are subject to review, test and replication.
What we are seeing here is not a failure of science, or the scientific method, but an expose of unfounded belief systems.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Borker you are a crass and obnoxious piece of shit. Your attempts at humour are pathetic. Your dig at someone’s depression is right up there with your views on “sub optimal” people like my daughter. Remember your beautiful piece on Down syndrome? Fuck off.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
dad4justice (5545) 3 1 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Great to see illy orker in a typical obnoxious frame of mindset. They say a bit of rain makes North Canterbury weeds grow well. Have a warm cup of round up you bb dork.
I was taliking with Kristy last night, and you came up in conversation. We wondered what happened to the Pete we both knew and loved and how he became so bitter and twisted. We wondered if he’d ever again be able to make a contribution, or if he’d just sit on the sidelines and snipe.
Looks like you’ve given up trying to make a contribution and are determined to just be a worn out old sniper.
Kristy and I feel for you.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Thanks Charlie, at least it’s in the open. Obviously some challenges ahead.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am
kaya (546) Vote: 0 0 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Borker you are a crass
Please explain.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am
It shouldn’t have been. Those who understand the scientific process and weight of evidence human fallibility won’t have. And those who had no faith in science to back up their wishful thinking won’t have.
Those who have jumped to a conclusion that defies the majority of a substantial body of scientific research and observation will despair wondering why most people don’t buy into their agenda with an ulterior motive or their blind faith in an illogical and unscientific viewpoint.
But life will go on. Humans will keep stuffing the environment with crap. Life will keep evolving. People will keep smoking and choking their lungs. Obama will remain president. The earth will revolving around the sun. JFK will remain dead. The twin towers will remain rubble.
And a small noisy minority will keep trying to convince others of their madness, and they won’t care whose reputations and careers they try to stuff up in the process.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:29 am
“Kristy and I feel for you.”
Tell everybody who is the “Kristy” you constantly refer to? I think Oxford locals would like to know just how low you go on the internet.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Is Phil Goff being a political opportunist or merely finding his voice after 9 years under Helengrad?
Pita Sharples says Phil Goff is playing the race card. I disagree.
More debate on this issue over at
http://www.democracymum.co.nz
November 28th, 2009 at 9:33 am
kaya (546) Vote: 1 0 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Borker you are a crass and obnoxious piece of shit.
You have such a winning way with words, do you work in customer service?
Your attempts at humour are pathetic. Your dig at someone’s depression is right up there with your views on “sub optimal” people like my daughter. Remember your beautiful piece on Down syndrome? Fuck off.
It wasn’t a dig at depression, it was a response to the cock size comment, but I gueess like most loonie tunes here, you had a humour bypass a long time ago.
I do not know you, your daughter or recall any such conversation, but since you asked, Mongoloids ARE sub optimal, and where identified in the womb, should be aborted, no ifs, no buts, no maybes. Abortion on diagnosis. End of story.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:35 am
You should be in a locked mental ward borker. If I was Minister of Justice the men in white coats would grab you before lunch.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:36 am
reputations and careers vs future of the planet
Hmmmm, better let me think about that one Pete.
One question Pete – why won’t they release the raw data and methodology?
November 28th, 2009 at 10:00 am
How embarrased must the media be feeling now!
Worldwide headlines “Tiger Woods seriously injured…” Suppose it is a bit more exciting than “Tiger Woods released from hospital with a cut on his head”
Poor Tiger, he must have been escaping the wrath of wifey for his alleged escapades with another woman.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:00 am
This trust was never a charity, it was always a front for McVicar to press his own agenda
..whats so wrong with standing up for victims rights dickhead ?
November 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Borker you really are a sad fucker and haven’t got a clue what you are talking about.
Here are a couple of photos of my Down Syndrome daughter.
http://tinyurl.com/ydjay2e
Obviously sub optimal and according to you shouldn’t have been allowed to live? Not like those normal people Clayton Weatherston, William Bell, Graham Burton eh? Yeah I see your point there. Obviously my daughter should have been drowned at birth. Hitler would have agreed with you Borker, you’re in good company.
We should meet up one day and have a chat about it.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am
The Dominion Post has hit a new low for me. When the front page is devoted to a plain clothes police car partially covering a disabled parking spot, with its driver at the wheel the whole time, this newspaper has come to a pretty sad place.
Like there’s nothing important happening in the country?
Do they think Bill English, who would no doubt prefer not to have a security detail, says to his cops “look lads, I’m the deputy Prime Minister and I want people to know it, so while I pop in for a haircut, make a public nuisance of yourself so it draws a bit of attention to me”?
What a bunch of venal, petty idiots the Dominion Post has become.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:13 am
The gravy trains continues: the incompetent Nick Smith will travel to Copenhagen, accompanied by other 20 fellow travellers (including two “distinguihed” Maori, selected after Smith’s bribing of Iwi).
All this farce under the lazy eye and detached hand of the “man-of-steel” John Key, currently in Trinidad, who has been missing in action for weeks on the vital ETS issue.
Incompetence reigns supreme in New Zealand politics.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Kaya, why the fuck would I waste my time with pictures of retards?
November 28th, 2009 at 10:18 am
just imagine how many tonnes of jet fuel has been burnt ferrying these arsewipes around the world…what a sham…what a crock…the whole worlds bent …greed greed greed….
November 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Id hate to be you borker…what a cunt you are.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
“Kaya, why the fuck would I waste my time with pictures of retards?”
What a disgusting thing to say. You deserve what’s coming you vile prick!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Billy Borker – Outrageously offensive, cruel.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Pete George – Your conclusions are pretty obnoxious. My faith in science is as strong as its ever been. Thats why alot of people are pissed of with the “consensus” you talk about. The consensus around man made global warming is a political consensus… NOT A SCIENTIFIC consensus. Its bloody ironic how the same people who question the science around GM are so keen to follow a couple of questionable studies around man made global warming (Notice that i say man made global warming, not global warming).
November 28th, 2009 at 10:34 am
billyborker – educational purposes. Everything isn’t like you seem to think it is. You are a sad person and you will reap what you sow.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:34 am
It’s pretty much par for the course.
Similar to “The end of climate science!” blogging is a bit more attention seeking than “a few scientists over-react to denier pressure”.
Not that the deniers will be embarrassed, just perpetually puzzled why most people don’t buy into their game.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Kaya – she is beautiful. Thanks for sharing that with us.
I cannot believe there are people around like BillyBorker (except Andrew Sullivan of course!). Here is an extract from Borkers’ “About” on his blog:
“”I’ve always been a fan of Hardy’s writing, his care for the underpriveleged and his acceptance of the fallibility of Man, yet all the while seeing Men in their ordinary lives.”"
Practice what you preach asshole. I don’t usually use this word but BORKER – YOU ARE A CUNT!
DPF – that comment surely warrants a permanent ban.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:40 am
You kick one little ant’s nest …
November 28th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Auberon the press is seriously losing the plot, I wrote a letter to the editor pointing out their hypocrisy in the fact they had run three articles on climate change the day the emails from the bullshitters became public, they did not even acknowledge the story. My letter was also nowhere to be seen and there still has been nothing said about the bullshitters. Is it any wonder the print media are losing readers by the thousands, the bastards are their own worst enemies. They haven’t woken up to the fact they no longer can print what they like and the masses have to take it, fuckheads. Our local rag also ran the story on English and his parking problems, front page and all. These people are seriously screwed up individuals, all the crap happening in the world and these lefty two bobs think people give a flying fuck about English, treat the masses like mushrooms and feed them shit is their motto.
Went down to the club last night for a few ales, shit you wouldn’t want to be a National socialist MP, they are about as popular as a dose of pox. I think if idiot boy had walked through the door he would have been strung up, such is the anger. It’s even worst then the hatred saved for Liarbore, most around here feel deeply betrayed.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Aussies aren’t as dumb as we are, with the Opposition Senate refusing to pass their ETS even though the govt has agreed…
Good on ya, Aussies. Meanwhile, the NZ sheeple clap and cheer as our ETS condemns us to economic slavery. Maaaaaaa.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:47 am
@kaya
Thanks for sharing. I have a couple of ‘hidden’ albums on my website of photos of disabled kids (I do volunteer photography for Riding for the Disabled on occasion). It’s attitudes like billyborkers that mean they are for the ‘parents eyes only’.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I agree, consensus isn’t a good word to use for ongoing science. There is a large majority scientist agreement that there is a high likelihood that we are causing climate problems that could adversely affect a lot of people and bank accounts.
There are many studies done by many groups of scientists in many countries – yes, they are all questionable as they should be. There are as many concerns that the problem is understated as there are overstated. The nature of consensus (political if you like) is that the end result is likely to be moderate rather than extreme.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Agree on all counts Rachel
Can someone re-post that link to RIP so that I can rid myself of the bitter, twisted billyborker.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I2, just go back to GD on about the 24th, all the info is there.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Kaya, thanks for posting a picture of your lovely daughter. She looks a lot like our 4 1/2 year old daughter, but I don’t have a picture to hand. No doubt she’s an absolute delight and like us you wonder what you did before they came along.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:56 am
At least now I can happily skip a certain member’s posts safe in the knowledge that they are the product of a diseased, sociopathic mind and thus won’t contain anything of value.
Quite frankly, opinions like that make it hypocritical of you to complain about any other type of discrimination. Quite baffling, actually.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Borker if you don’t understand that your agreement with science is based on faith you are no smarter than the religionists who also say “I believe it so it must be true.”
I have to agree that the science on AGW does look to be the best money can buy.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Kaya – what a beautiful little girl.
Borker is nothing, don’t let him get to you.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Another interesting piece of news: Sarkozy and the UN are gate-crashing CHOGM.
For those who aren’t aware, Sarkozy is a key NWO figure. This is yet more evidence that climate change is a key vehicle for one-world govt and the real agenda is not saving the planet but implementing politicial control at a global level. If you think that’s a good thing, think again because it destroys national sovereignty. Surprising really that lefties who claim to care so much about people’s democratic and human rights have been so completely taken in by this charade but there we are.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Chthoniid – I created that album for Borker’s benefit, to hopefully let him see that things aren’t always as clear cut as he imagines. Taken from a couple of different albums.
To be fair, 20 years ago I may have aborted my daughter if I had known of the Downs. Having had the pleasure of watching my girl grow and sharing some of the most amazing times in my life with her I am occasionally horrified to remember that I saw things in such a black and white fashion. Her birth was a massive attitude shift for me.
We learn as we get older that life and everything about it is far from perfect. The things that bring pleasure come from different places and often what we feel is right turns out to be wrong and vice versa. I just enjoy it.
Well done for doing your photography with the kids, your photos on here are outstanding. You would get to see some amazing happiness amongst those disabled kids, probably something Borker will never get to witness.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Actually Reid, The Liberal Party are much dumber than you think and are busy committing electoral suicide as we speak.
Their cheer squad in the commentariat – Bolt, Akerman, Devine and Blair are doing them no favours at all.
It is inconceivable that an Australian governing party would adopt a policy that would totally isolate Australia from the global political agenda, let alone be unpopular at home, especially with business.
That the Coalition are even considering it, and that key powerbrokers like Minchin are advocating such a move, is a sign of how detached the Coalition are becoming from the realities of power.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/liberals-facing-election-rout/story-e6frgczf-1225804771480
November 28th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Science is in no way, shape or form based on faith, and I wish people would stop with this strawman argument.
Science is all about observation, creating a hypothesis for these observations based on current knowledge, AND THEN rigorously testing this hypothesis based on controlled experiments. The results of these experiments (and those that follow from other scientists) dictates whether the hypothesis can be accepted, modified or discarded. Faith doesn’t come into it at all.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Borker
Why does Garth McVicar scare you so much?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Kaya – your daughter is an absolute treasure, and even though she is differently wired to some, she must be your pride and joy. Thank you so much for sharing her with us
As a Christian, I believe that everyone and everything has a purpose. You have been given a unique gift. Friends lost their daughter a few years back at age 3 to a rare neurological condition. In her brief life, they reckon she taught them so much about unconditional love, and that gave them immense comfort after her passing. I pray that you and your family will enjoy a long and joy-filled life together, and that your daughter will bless and enrich the lives of everyone who encounters her.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Malcolm – “you wonder what you did before they came along”. Never a truer word said, Borker seems to think it is some sort of cliche people trot out to make themselves feel better, nothing further from the truth eh!
Chicken Little – Borker doesn’t get to me, the attitude pisses me off, mainly because it is so ill informed, but nothing that will cause sleep loss.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
“…the global political agenda…”
Interesting turn of phrase, lloyd. And that’s really what it’s about, isn’t it.
“Science is in no way, shape or form based on faith, and I wish people would stop with this strawman argument. … Faith doesn’t come into it at all.”
Oh but it does, transmog. The very act of placing belief in the validity of the scientific method is an act of faith. What if something came along that was an observable phenomena that could not be explained by the scientific method? Would you discard the scientific method or would you continue to “have faith” that we just don’t have sufficient technology to replicate it under laboratory conditions?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Kaya, a quote from Groucho Marx, “Now there sits a man with an open mind. You can feel the draught from here”, he was probably thinking about Dorker.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Billyborker, occasionally you say something interesting. When you and D4J were abusing each other last week I was unsure what to make of it. Now I’ve seen how nasty you can be, can you clear up the story about Kirsty? You said:
So the question is, are you a nasty hateful person or are you a nasty hateful person who also tells elaborate lies to inflict further abuse?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:20 am
“Borker doesn’t get to me, the attitude pisses me off, mainly because it is so ill informed”
No, he’s not ill-informed. For some reason Billy has a need to say nasty, personal things to specific people much like some small boys like to pull wings off a fly and laugh as they watch the poor creature struggle with their deformity.
Cruel, immature, sadistic are words that describe some of his comments. Quite a shame we have to host him in our midst and I’ve never said or thought that about anyone else on here.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:21 am
side show bob – It’s hard to see how the newspapers don’t get it! They have their heads so far up their own arses they can’t see that people who actually take an interest in real news stories no longer use the newspaper as their primary source. Isn’t choice wonderful.
I occasionally buy one to read with a cup of coffee but usually finish up with RSI from flicking pages to get through the ads.
I haven’t done a scientific study but the Herald must be at least 65% – 70% advertising? I know when I buy it the actual content worth reading takes about 20 minutes.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:24 am
wow borker is just a sack of shit.
what a bitter little leftist.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Great to see Nicky taking a couple of “House Niggers” with him when heads off to sell our country down the shitter.
You da Man Nick, that’s mighty white of you to find space for them, and of course pick up the tab, hope they got Lion Red on tap bro.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:31 am
“It’s hard to see how the newspapers don’t get it!”
You could say the same thing about TV couldn’t you.
Unfortunately it does seem a fact that the majority of the population aren’t interested in what they would call high-brow but what most of us here would simply call “news” and “interesting and insightful documentaries.”
I remember Alan Gibbs’ failed attempt to get BBC Radio off the ground here which failed for precisely that reason.
Of course it doesn’t help that TV Execs who come across a quality program schedule it at 11:30PM on a week night and then turn around and say: “we tried it, but it didn’t work, so let’s just stick with Hollywood Celebs Gone Wild.”
It also doesn’t help that the majority of people appear to be so fucking brain-dead that they put up with this behaviour year after year after year.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Transmorg, the field of study you are missing is Epistemology.
Scientific beliefs are based like other beliefs on various assumptions and biases, and while vigorous empirical and theoretical research is likely to increase the accuracy of your beliefs, it still comes down to faith.
You probably haven’t even recognised that relying on the evidence supplied by the 5 human senses is a form of faith.
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November 28th, 2009 at 11:40 am
DPF – I second the call for Billy Borkers punishment (suspension at the very least!). The above comment re: Kaya’s daughter is so way out of line, the bloke needs the cyber equivalent of a good kicking.
Unbelievable!
XChequer
November 28th, 2009 at 11:47 am
I for one wouldn’t know what to do without Shortland street it tells me how to behave in a politically correct manner and i am grateful it occupies a prime time slot paid for by my fellow countryman’s taxes. I am going to assume the next show will be the hospital saving the planet by buying carbon credits followed by a guest appearance from Nick Smith.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Actually, the more I think about it, the angrier I get. What a wanker, BB! I notice you haven’t posted much after that comment and nor should you. Hope you feel as sick to the stomach as we all do after looking back at what you wrote.
You may have been attempting some sort of Paul Henry-like humour but have been found wanting.
DPF, I know you are on holiday and, perhaps have better things to do, however given the light levels of moderation here, this example of pure, 100% bullshit needs to be jumped on.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am
xchequer, et al, Kaya broached the subject of aborting retards, I simply responded with my considered opinion.
If we have the technology to identify Mongols in the womb, then why not abort?
Simple question, maybe not a simple answer, but i favour the identify and abort technique.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:58 am
reid (3428) Vote: 1 0 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
“…the global political agenda…”
Interesting turn of phrase, lloyd. And that’s really what it’s about, isn’t it.
“Science is in no way, shape or form based on faith, and I wish people would stop with this strawman argument. … Faith doesn’t come into it at all.”
Oh but it does, transmog. The very act of placing belief in the validity of the scientific method is an act of faith. What if something came along that was an observable phenomena that could not be explained by the scientific method? Would you discard the scientific method or would you continue to “have faith” that we just don’t have sufficient technology to replicate it under laboratory conditions?
Those of us who understand how science works would look for reasons why “an observable phenomena that could not be explained by the scientific method” existed. There would be attempts to replicate this phenomena and to see how it could be tested. It could, of course, lead to changes in the scientific method, or it could simply be an elaborate hoax.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
this is very funny..!
sarah palin supporters are interviewed..
and so much of it is uncannily like what passes for political dialogue here..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/interview-of-sarah-palin-supporters/
this is hilarious..!
sarah palin supporters..(lined up for a book-signing..)..are interviewed on their world/political views..
and..?
dumb as dogshit..all of them..
(a coupla highlights..?..the middle-aged lady clutching the teddy bear..and talking about/opining on.. ‘reality’..
and..after a particularly arse-bitingly funny set of claims from some old codger..
said old codger is asked..where he gets all his information from..?
“..i watch fox news..’a lot of fox news..’
(brilliant..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
said old codger is asked..where he gets all his information from..?
“..i watch a lot of fox news..’
Redbaiter, or redbaiter’s daddy?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
“Those of us who understand how science works would look for reasons why “an observable phenomena that could not be explained by the scientific method” existed. There would be attempts to replicate this phenomena and to see how it could be tested. It could, of course, lead to changes in the scientific method, or it could simply be an elaborate hoax.”
So what, Billy. That doesn’t change the fact that the very act of placing belief in the validity of the scientific method is an act of faith. Face it, your argument that its merely rationality and that therefore faith doesn’t come into it, is fucked.
And BTW, everybody understands how the scientific method works – it’s not rocket science.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Borker you have no understanding of the word science. Your total stupidity in the above tread shows that you are in fact the sad type of wannabe that ends up alone with a needle somewhere. Have you wondered why you are socially a total waste of space and you have no friend? (other than the imaginary ones you will tell us about next?) If you had any intellect, I would have suggested that you read some of the shit you wrote and you will see the answer. However I realise to be able to do that, you should have some intelligence, so that will not happen.
You remind me of that other wannabe greenie here who preaches to all but has a history of violence against unarmed men and women. The two of you should get together.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
i kept expecting red to pop up..
it is his ‘crowd’..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Give me some Obama money! your average Obama supporter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19v5Kjmc8FI
November 28th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
billyborker said “Those of us who understand how science works ….”
borker – drop the “I know better than you” shit. You’ve shown your true colours this morning, even moreso than usual. Piss off.
DPF – I agree with the calls for a ban for borker – I don’t know what Rocketboy said to get an indefinite ban for “sheer nastiness”, but it’s hard to imagine anything more nasty than borker’s disgusting personal attack on a beautiful disabled girl.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
And BTW, everybody understands how the scientific method works – it’s not rocket science
Tell that to those who believe desert myths about creation.
You know reid, when a scientist is shown a new way of understanding, he genarally says something like “Well, that’s interesting, looks like I was wrong. this new information changes the way we thought x worked and gives a greater understanding of x and Y”
I never hear people of faith use words like these.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
kaya, thanks for sharing the pic of your beautiful daughter. What is scary is that the Govt has a new screening programme for unborn children with Down Syndrome. I remember seeing a TV programme about a woman with a Down Syndrome child who had to make the decision when she found out that her child was going to be born with DS.
She decided to have it, and she mentioned that the child had brought such joy to their family; DS children, she said, are known to be very affectionate. After that she actually adopted another two DS children I think.
All life is precious.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
That video is funny, phil.
Please though, don’t make the mistake of thinking that just because you’re a conservative that therefore you think Palin is any good. Most people I’ve spoken to have always thought she is a lightweight bimbo and that’s always been my own personal view.
Redbaiter doesn’t speak for all of us, you know.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
does scanners’ ‘house niggers’ rate at all..?
on the objectionable-scales..?
what about just repeating the lies/allegations that a person is a ‘p’-cook/manufacturer/retailer..?
does that ‘rate’..?
does that get you all ‘upset’..?
or..is your ‘upsetness’..
..more ideological in flavor..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Pete George (2351) – You make a good point.
The biggest shame regarding man made global warming is the fact it has become a political issue, as once politicians get involved, the truth becomes murkier and murkier, the proof lies in those leaked emails. Researchers are being paid by both sides of the debate to come up with predetermined conclusions.
The outcome of what happens in Copenhagen is likely to stiffle the poorer countries, keep protectionism strong, probably cause the rich countries to become richer and probably cause more damage to the environment than what would happen if the measures never came into place. The various ETS’s around the world are a classic example of this… For example, europe is protecting its farmers for a long time, NZ isn’t, so european farmers will continue to produce more and more products inefficiently that cause a higher per unit output of greenhouse gases, the net result being that in the case of agriculture, the ETS is causing more greenhouse gases to be released into the environment than what would have happened if we had done absolutely nothing.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
BB,
“Kaya, why the fuck would I waste my time with pictures of retards?”.
If that is what passes in your mind as a “considered opinion”, you’ve got some problems, pal.I thought D4J’s call for the men in white coats was over the top, however now I believe it to be on the button.
An opinion – any opinion – is worthwhile. Dross such as the crap you spat at Kaya, is not.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
You know Billy, when a Christian is shown a new insight into the Bible, he generally says something like “Well, that’s interesting, looks like I was wrong. This new information changes the way we thought x worked and gives a greater understanding of x and y”
So what’s your point, Billy?
The mere fact you’ve never heard people of faith use words like these, doesn’t mean they haven’t used them.
Der.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
is bok 2 just a re-run of that fat fuck bok 1..?
does anyone know..?
i thought he ‘left the building’..some time back..
muttering something about never coming back here..
untill moi was life-banned..
wha’ happened..?
and why the bok 2..?
and..how is your lifelong love affair with food going..?
christmas coming up..eh..?
the elastic on the stretchy-pants is strained a bit more..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Fecal Phill, you are full of crap, what realy makes the mind boggle is that out 30,000,000 sperm you had to be the strongest swimmer.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Borker
Care to answer the question I posed at 11.06?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
big bruv – borker doesn’t do answers – he just slurs anyone who doesn’t share his worldview.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
aah..!..the dry intellectual wit/ripostes of the scanner..!
(you spoil us..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Missed it, bb.
Garth McVicar doesn’t scare me at all, but i find him to be an abhorrent little cretin who has made a living trading on the pain of others. It is good to his trust will be exposed for what it is.
I have no bones with him lobbying, but a political lobbyist is not a charity and should not be treated as such.
Time for him to stop sucking the public teat and get a real job.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Banana Llama , just like the politicians like them, dumb as fuck and dependant. Is it any wonder the world has such problems. Thank God we have Mac Daddy, we are all saved, Geeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Borker
How the hell can fighting for victims rights be a bad thing?
The real issue you have with him is that he does not agree with the ‘left wing bible’.
Why is it that you pinko’s cannot allow anybody to have a differing opinion?, that is not something you see on the right, we can and do have differing opinions but we do not seek to demonise those who do not agree.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Billybroker, I guess you can say you should have faith in science, raw science. But reading what you know in the papers isn’t my idea of raw science. You don’t have to go back to far in time to show you what I mean. The bird flu. What happened to that? Doctors in the UN were saying this COULD be pandemic proportions. Remember? Doctors, wow they said it. it must be true. This could be said of the swine flu. What happened? I can tell you what happened. The companies that manufacturer and distribute tamiful made billions. Yet more people died by the common flu, if there is one, each year. When money and greed and politics are mixed in with science, you have a problem. Now we have this incredibly redicuolous ETS law spearheaded by our Prime Minister which I hope it will take him down.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
“Garth McVicar doesn’t scare me at all, but i find him to be an abhorrent little cretin who has made a living trading on the pain of others.”
The only people who don’t like what Sensible Sentencing says and does are the politicians who don’t like being told what to do, lefties who love violent criminals, journos who can’t think properly and that’s the vast majority of them and the violent criminals.
The rest of us think it does a great job and recognise it fills a legitimate need in the community which for far too long has been totally neglected by the justice system which for some reason is only now bringing itself to acknowledge that the most important people in the whole process and not the fucking crims but the victims.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
does scanners’ ‘house niggers’ rate at all..?
on the objectionable-scales..?
what about just repeating the lies/allegations that a person is a ‘p’-cook/manufacturer/retailer..?
does that ‘rate’..?
does that get you all ‘upset’..?
or..is your ‘upsetness’..
..more ideological in flavor..?
never laughed so hard, this from a little weed who violently abuses women with a weapon. Invades their space and threaten them. Big man! And he is taking the moral high ground. Now I found that phrase offensive scanner, but the wannabe greenie pretending to be of better character?!? WTF he who has to get woman to give him what he wants by using a weapon? he who is then so stupid that he is caught and does time? It get better.
This sad loser pretends to be green, yet tortures his dogs. Is against GM but decides he knows better than nature and deprives his dogs of their real food. But better still. Chthoiid is a real environmentalist, who actually gets out there and contributes to the conservation effort. Professionally and around the world. A real environmentalist. And one with atalent that he likes to share. Something he does in his spare time. The sad arsed little waste of space Phil, only has wet dreams about the great oputdoors, because the skinny underfed little weed is to weak and sick to make it to a job, never mind out to help save the planet. So what does he do? He goes and find a gallery of award winning photographs BY OTHER PEOPLE (PROFESSIONALS) and holds that up as his betterment of Chthoiid’s offerings.
Jesus even your “radio station” failed because you did not have enough talent to PLAY OTHER PEOPLE’S music.
You and Borker what a pair.
Comon Farrar ban me again it will be an honour rather than be allowed where these bottom dwellers hang out.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Missed it, bb.
Garth McVicar doesn’t scare me at all, but i find him to be an abhorrent little cretin who has made a living trading on the pain of others. It is good to his trust will be exposed for what it is.
LOL
You make a judgment? WTF?!? After what you said above you want to have some moral stand? or pretend to have some sort of principles?
You do standup for a living?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
“cretin who has made a living trading on the pain of others”
Sorry cannot help it but this is pure gold.
What you do it just for fun as we have seen above with your hurtful comments about some-ones child. You sad little loser. Even your own arguments deal to you. How pathetic are you?
November 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Chthoiid I just spent a week in the Hauraki gulf. Had pods of orca visiting us on two ocassions. they hung around for up to an hour each time. as close as 10 meters. They were hunting stingrays in issie bay and then out around the back of Waiheke.
I only had the iphone to take shots with.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Kaya
I too would like to apologize for some of the comments that have been made here regarding your daughter this morning. She is just beautiful (but of course as her mum you already know that)
When I was about 16 I read a wonderful autobiography of a mother whose daughter had been born with Downe’s syndrome. It was an incredibly uplifting story which detailed the wonderful contribution her daughter had made to not just her own family but to the entire community. Her daughter lived a full and happy life. It was a story that had a real impact on me, and helped me to understand the real value of the life we lead.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
A presentation of probably of the most infamous CRU emails, what the conspiracy theorists say about them, and the contextual explanations ( think the term ‘defence’ is inappropriate).
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10612165
The other day I posted here a critique of an article by Chris de Freitas published in the NZ Herald. I was critical of the apparent duplicitous content evident in his article. I have also posted on comments here by Owen McShane, whom I hold in equally low esteem. Well, I’m not the only one…
None of these cranks should be accorded any respect in future. By their words shall we know them, and their words show them to be ignorant, bullying fools. De Freitas should withdraw and apologise, or resign from his post at Auckland University, and if Treadgold, Dunleavy, McShane, Leyland,or any other member of the NZ CSC want to partake in public debate on the subject of climate science, they should expect derision to be heaped on them and their views.
Source: http://hot-topic.co.nz/nz-sceptics-lie-about-temp-records-try-to-smear-top-scientist/
Visitors to Kiwiblog confused by the noise here over climate change should follow this link to a posting by a respected and published scientist on how de Freitas is alleged to be associated with falsifying data to arrive at erroneous and mischievous conclusions.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Garth McVicar is a decent person. I don’t support all of his views, but he does have significant backing in NZ. The problem he faces is not that he is political, it is the solutions needed are necessarily political. He can’t imprison anyone lawfully for any longer than the sentence given,
Similarly groups like Greenpeace will not be able to be Registered Charities as they focus on political action, not environmental projects like groups like Karori Wildlife Sanctury or Keep NZ Beautiful.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Luc – please look up juggernaut at dictionary.com.
It can’t be put back in the box Luc, no matter how many links you post here of people sticking their fingers in their ears and going ‘lalalalalala’, you nor anyone can put it back in box.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Fuck, you’re slow learner Luc.
The public has every reason to ask why they felt the need to rig the game if their science is as indisputable as they claim.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
So Luc as an example of how despised these people are you hold up ???? an alarmist blog that has more skeptic comments than AGW comments? That is like wanting to find out scientifically if America is a bad place and you do that by asking Osama Ben Laden.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Is this another example of deniers’ lies?
# Chicken Little (555) Vote: Add rating 11 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Luc, my little friend – I repeat – REAL CLIMATE HAVE TURNED THEIR COMMENTS OFF – I WONDER WHY?
Sheeeesh, like trying to bath a cat.
**********************
A quick check on Real Climate’s second “email” thread (CRU Hack on their site) reveals the number of comments has increased form 79s yesterday to 814 today. It’s not turned off. I wonder if Chicken is confusing RC with the CRU?
Now, Chicken is keen on tying me up doing research for him that he is going to reject out of hand, anyway, so Chicken, I politely decline your invitation to be so occupied but do suggest you question Real Climate directly on their science, by all means. If you don’t keep it reasonably polite, it won’t make it through the moderation process.
And as I have demonstrated, their are plenty of places to visit with rational articles on the emails. Now the dust is settling, the overall effect of the emails released actually paints a group of scientists dedicated to scientific truth.
Why have the hackers only released only 1000 odd emails out of many thousands? Well, one explanation is maybe because the rest can’t be twisted out of context and show the scientists simply doing their job in an overwhelmingly collegial and honest atmosphere.
Saying for the day: Sanity cannot be imposed on people
November 28th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Luc’s just desperately trying not to look like a complete fool. You can’t blame him, because he’s just realised that no-one with a 3-digit IQ buys AGW and he’s either got to do a complete flip-flop which lefties find hard to do, or pretend that the “science” really does have legs, lest we conclude that, like all warmaholics, he’s a complete idiot.
Isn’t that right, Luc?
November 28th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Or they’ve just given discussing it on internet forums.
Reid, did you hear the Kim Hill interview with Richard Cage: http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/20091121
November 28th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Shit Luc, just being over reading the comments posted concerning the chief snake oil salesman’s latest rantings. The man’s getting the shit kicked out of him. Your fantasies of the NWO and unbridled socialism is in it’s death throes, Gore and his fallow fucktards are getting their arses handed to them on a plate. Carbonhargen will be a glorified dog and pony show, the dream is over Luc, better go out and buy some more tin foil to wrap you head in.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Kaya
When I was a teen I read The Clowns of God by Morris West which pretty much sorts people out according to their worth.
I came to a realisation about disablement and our attitudes when I spoke to some one who’s body had degenerated so that even I (to my shame) had labeled them in my own mind.
On spending time with them it became apparent that they were a fully functioning person with intelligence and a sense of humour inside a vehicle that didn’t respond to their requests and I had to reflect on what it must be like for them as a whole person (not physical) inside a non responsive body.
It was a growing point for me and I have thought often on other peoples disabilities and the so called normal people.
even more so when I read articles on people in comas and think on the last day when we all kneel before whatever God we have worshipped in our hearts, whatever that/who may be.
Even if it is ourselves
have a great day
Mike
November 28th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Yes I did malcolm, and I made a reference to it on the 911 thread we had here last week.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
“..because the skinny underfed little weed..”
i guess it’s all relative..when you are clinically obese/have to get someone else to wipe yr arse….eh bok 2..?
hey..!..maybe those whales were calling you to join them..?
had you thought of that..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Kim Hill is crap at interviewing anyone on anything technical. And she was especially crap during that interview. But it’s still interesting to hear Richard Gage.
November 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
@Kaya
I liked the way you used the tree trunks to frame your daughter, and had her posed turned slightly and leaning forward.
Downs Syndrome kids are often the happiest children you can run into, so they do make good photographic subjects
. if the capacity to enjoy life counts for anything, then Downs Syndrome kids deserve to have their chance. Anyway, raising children with disabilities is one of the toughest assignments you can take on. So you have my respect.
Alas, there are also the kids you watch with incurable, terminal conditions, hurtling towards their premature death. They’re harder to photograph.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
@ Bok2
welcome back.
Ouch, that’s not really a scene designed for the iphone.
I think the missed opportunity that rankles the most for me, is seeing a Florida panther (in Florida naturally) and not having a camera to take the photo. These days, a decent (SLR) camera goes with me almost everywhere.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Bewdy – Mohammed Yousuf out – the Pakistanis are 94-4 chasing 250
November 28th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
This recent post of mine has gained traction around the world. Don’t expect to see it in the media here.
The Climate Research Unit (CRU) E-mails Indicate the Emergence of ‘Tribal Science’.
Is this an Unexpected Outcome of the Internet?
During his last years, the late Aaron Wildavsky, then Dean of the School of Public Policy at UC Berkeley, became more and more interested in the role of group ‘culture’ in shaping social behaviour. One of his observations was that the more the individual is incorporated into a bonded unit, the more the individual’s choice is subject to group determination.
Aaron was generally regarded as ‘the father of Public Policy’ and in this group of books and papers he was challenging the ‘rational man’ model of decision-making. He was not denying the importance of reason and scientific method, but was emphasising that human behaviour is also modified by strongly held beliefs and traditions, and in particular, by group loyalties.
I suspect if Aaron were still alive he would be setting a bunch of his graduate students onto this episode of the leaked Climate Research Unit emails as a textbook example of how a ‘culture of group belief’ can impact on the behaviour of the supposedly rational and impartial people who are presumed to occupy the scientific community.
These emails may be an early demonstration of one of the downsides of the internet, and of email in particular.
The rapid and prolific communication enabled by email certainly promotes the free and widespread sharing of information and knowhow.
But the same ease of communication may well be promoting the development of inward-looking and intolerant tribal cultures that can seriously undermine the long established disciplines and traditions of the scientific community.
Scientists have always been passionate about their theories. Dawkins, Teller, Feynman, Pinker, Gould and Gliek are hardly famous for their lack of commitment to their beliefs.
But prior to the internet, such scientists have tended to be passionate individuals working at their desks, within their own studies, and sharing their ideas with suitably sceptical colleagues and graduate students.
Fifteen years ago I presented a paper to the QUEST and Associates AGM in Florida, on how the internet would promote what I called ‘Tribal Marketing’.
The release of the CRU emails suggests that sadly the internet has now promoted the development of ‘Tribal Science’.
Certainly the key players, as revealed in this collection of leaked emails, have been behaving like members of a fervent and passionate tribe – defending their territory, shaping evidence to support their beliefs, and waging war on outsiders.
Wildavsky would have been the first to point out that there is no need to call on conspiracy theory, or financial incentives, to explain this tribal behaviour; just the power of the culture of the group.
The CRU team and their internet colleagues had taken on the intolerant behaviour and intemperate language of the fervent tribes that build up around the more extremist blog sites on the Internet.
Maybe the Royal Society and similar organisations will need to develop a new set of protocols and charters to deal with this new phenomenon.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Fletch (638) 6 1 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
kaya, thanks for sharing the pic of your beautiful daughter. What is scary is that the Govt has a new screening programme for unborn children with Down Syndrome. I remember seeing a TV programme about a woman with a Down Syndrome child who had to make the decision when she found out that her child was going to be born with DS.
She decided to have it, and she mentioned that the child had brought such joy to their family; DS children, she said, are known to be very affectionate. After that she actually adopted another two DS children I think.
There is a simple test that has the potential to reduce in the incidence of Downs births by around 50%. Why shouldn’t it be used?
If there was a treatment we could use to INCREASE Downs births by 50%, do you think we should use that so we’d have more Affectionate Downs kiddies?
All life is precious.
That’s not the evidence I see before my eyes.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
You’re a fuckin heartless bastard Borker, I pray to God that you get to experience life in a less than “optimal” fashion.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
what’s heartless about wanting to reduce suffering?
November 28th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Owen, I think your suggestion is a load of bollocks designed to advance your organisations agenda of questioning the mainstream view on AGW.
The internet is a form of communications that, like other advances in communications before it, improves the flow of information and the understanding between what would otherwise be disparate groups.
The development of communications has lead to what we call the global village, we recognise that it is the regimes that do not want their people to understand the rest of the world who work to suppress internet access.
All through cyberspace we have blogs such as this one where people of differing views from the whole world can and do interact, in the short term this may not lead to a heck of a lot of minds being changed, but for some of us it at least leads to a recognition that even those we most vehemently disagree with usually have to them at least, good reasons for their views, that they are genuine in their views.
You’re suggesting that without the web, cliques wouldn’t form, but cliques have always existed.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
In by doing so you deny them the chance to experience happiness and fulfillment, which they are capable of.
It has been my privilege to meet several DS people, and suffering would never apply as a descriptor.
Try again you heartless bastard.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
“The CRU team and their internet colleagues had taken on the intolerant behaviour and intemperate language of the fervent tribes that build up around the more extremist blog sites on the Internet.”
Comparing the CRU emails to the intolerant behaviour and intemperate language of extremist blog sites is just bloody ridiculous. Haven’t you read any of Redbaiter’s and D4J’s comments? and I hope you don’t regard kiwiblog as an extremist blog site.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
climatechange denial 2.0 there..
eh mcshane..?
you incorrigible old huckster..!..eh..?
are you still being paid for your climate-change-denial ‘work’..?
or is this just (attempted) arse-covering..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
billyborker says “Kaya, why the fuck would I waste my time with pictures of retards?”
David Farrar, I have seen you give demerit points and comments for far less offensive blog entries.
I find this comment disgusting and appalling. There are many people in this world who have different issues and problems and the substance of a civilised world is to accept people for who they are, not condemn them because they are different.
You have been in Israel, learned of their issues, and I would have thought the least you could have done was to censure this blogger for his hurtful, cruel comments. You do have that ability and it is your blog site.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Phool I’m surprised they let you out in the weekends, damn health cuts.
November 28th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
@billyborker
I start off reading this thread and your comment on McVicar having to spread his bitterness and prejudice in his own time rather than with the taxpayers’ subsidy he presently enjoys and prepare to write a comment commending you.
Then I read your comments on kaya’s daughter and discover that your bitterness and prejudice runs far deeper than does McVicar’s, and it’s aimed at the most helpless and deserving amongst us.
I would get angry, but in truth I suspect you are simply one of those people who likes to draw attention to themselves through outraging others with absurd and deliberately provocative Tourettes-like outbursts, akin to a naughty child yelling an obscenity in a shopping centre or Micael Lhaws writing a column.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
‘..Micael Lhaw..”
heh..!
and um..!..scanner dropped a ‘house niggers’ a couple of posts later..that’s not being provocative..
he/she is just racist scum..
and..
..have you seen what these scumbags say/allege about my children..?
the ‘outrage’ around these parts is selective/ideological in nature..
(and it was a good comment/summary about mcvicar..
..not a good comment about kayas’ daughter..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
erratum: re my 1.57pm post
Should read 792, not 79s.
I was a bit distracted towards the end of that post.
I also forgot to put McShane’s name in bold.
Naturally, that post and the one above at 1.16pm attracted the usual hysterical chatter from the eclectic collection of extremists, conspiracy theorists and contrarians, complete with the obligatory ad hominems. My advice to visitors is to ignore the noise and go to reputable sources of evidence based science.
In particular, while the ETS seems to have the inside running around the world, the EU having gotten a head start on the rest of us, Bjorn Lomborg, through his site Copenhagen Consensus leads us to cutting edge research on alternative scenarios to ETS schemes.
You can find the research findings at http://fixtheclimate.com/component-1/the-solutions-new-research/
November 28th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
This blog has sunk to a new low, by allowing personal degrodation of someones daughter, let alone of a child with a disability such as Downs Syndrome.
I commend Kaya for allowing us all to view her photos, a very brave thing to do. Kaya did not deserve the vile filthy comments made by billyborker.
David Farrar, you gave me demerits for making fun of H2, and I deserved that. But, hey, she is in the public arena. But to allow these comments to be made about an innocent person does not do this blog site any favours.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
And the saying of the day revised to remove the redundancy:
sanity cannot be imposed
November 28th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
peanut..neither you .. (nor anyone else) ..
..have never reacted to the ongoing attacks on my children..?
(neither has farrar..)
by these scum-sucking mouth-breathers..
that’s ok..?..
is it..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
philu,
I have been away from the blogishere for a while. I am sure that I would have made the appropriate comment.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Has anyone suggested your children should be drowned at birth Phil?
November 28th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
“…evidence based science…”
Yes, how’s that evidence based science coming along with accounting for the temp fluctuations that are visible in the geologic record, Luc? Not to mention the correlation with the sun cycles.
Damned inconvenient truths, aren’t they?
November 28th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
yeah..peanut..you are really just the point-man on this..
the real barb was directed at ‘(nor anyone else)’..
and..in particular..
..’(neither has farrar..)’..
(his silences/lack of any censure enabling/endorsing the continued abuse/attacks on my children..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Leonidas,
Havent you read my previous entries??
Leave children out of your nasty attacks. Attack philus comments, not his kids
November 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
oh..!..is it only ’some’ attacks on commenters children..that are ‘off’..?
eh leonidas..?
why don’t you give us your do/don’t list..eh..?
i just sorta think attacks on commenters children are just ‘not on’..
but hey..!..’lefties/greenies/vegans’ kids..eh..?
meh..!..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Kick me all you like, but FIRST, get your facts straight. I didn’t introduce Kaya’s daughter to the debate, she did that all by herself.
kaya (551) 24 4 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Borker you are a crass and obnoxious piece of shit. Your attempts at humour are pathetic. Your dig at someone’s depression is right up there with your views on “sub optimal” people like my daughter. Remember your beautiful piece on Down syndrome? Fuck off.
This is in reference to a blog post I made ages ago about testing for Downs and aborting. Kaya read it and chose to engage in vile insult, I didn’t play, but today, she wants to play the man not the ball, and you all fall swooning at her feet.
So abuse away, but get the ducks lined up in a row first.
For the record, I believe we shoud test for Downs, and other genetic disorders, and abort.
Kids with Downs are not beautiful and they grow in to fucking ugly, retarded and criminal adults.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
philu, f… off. You are a real dick.
ALL COMMENTS REGARDING CHILDREN ARE OFF LIMITS-GET IT
November 28th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Everyone has the right to be indignant when another suggests their child should be euthanized at birth.
I was only seeking clarification on the extent of abuse leveled at Phils kids.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
“I was only seeking clarification on the extent of abuse leveled at Phils kids.”
Yes, I don’t recall any direct references to Phil’s child, except in relation to what some believe is his misfortune to have the parent he has. Which is not BTW my own opinion.
It may have happened, but I don’t recall it.
Phil?
November 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
i’m not going to rehash/recycle/repeat them..
how about you define ‘accptable abuse’ of commenters children..there..leonidas..?
and i’ll tell you where it falls..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I don’t get why Phil & peanut think I’m having a go at his kids. I know some guys here get real personal with Phil, But I’ve never seen anyone say anything like his kids should have been aborted, which is what Billy said to Kaya.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
And, to add insult to injury, I’ve just seen the front cover of this weekend’s magazine inserted in Fairfax papers – retards reproducing, what next?
November 28th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Whoever said that test cricket was boring? Both Akmals out in the space of six balls and Pakistan need 54 with three wickets remaining – game on!
November 28th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Phill:
It’s not ok to abuse the kids like borker did, but I have only seen people criticize your parenting, of which I know nothing and won’t go there, tell me you have had similar abuse and I will support your position.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Leonidas, I guess it helps if you read everything, or did you miss this bit?
kaya (551) Vote: 17 0 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
To be fair, 20 years ago I may have aborted my daughter if I had known of the Downs.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
203 for 8 – Umar Gul out – Pakistan needs 48; NZ needs two wickets.
This is one of the better test matches played in New Zealand in recent years.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
@billyborker
I really shouldn’t because as I said above I think you’re being deliberately provocative, but just in case you’re not and there’s some hope for you…
You can surely see the difference between testing for genetic defects and giving parents the choice (agonising though it may be, and I’m not at all sure I’d opt to have it done if I had any more children) and mandating abortion in such circumstances?
And a reference, please, for your assertion that Downs Syndrome children grow into “criminal adults”.
I have never seen any definitive clinical study proving the link. I think you’re confusing the incidence of MPAs (minor physical abnormalities) and aggressive behaviour (which can predicate criminality, though not necessarily so).
MPAs are present in a number of conditions including FAS (foetal alcohol syndrome) entirely unrelated to Downs but whose sufferers do tend to show up disproportionately in criminal statistics.
In “The Causes and Cures of Criminality” Hans Eysenck and Gisli Gudjonsson note that:
They also note that:
…but perhaps you know something they don’t? For my part I can say that having dealt now with dozens of cases and visited prisons and seen thousands of prisoners I have not seen a single Downs Syndrome person amongst them.
The more I hear from you, the more your attitude toward criminality coupled with your complete ignorance as to its causation make you and Garth McVicar the perfect bedfellows.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
“global political agenda” = massive redistribution of wealth to the turd world.
No thank you.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
billyborker said “Kids with Downs are not beautiful and they grow in to fucking ugly, retarded and criminal adults.”
You have evidence of this borker (especially the criminal bit)? After all, you are the one who was boasting earlier that you know all about science and proof and all that.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
No, I read the whole bit:
“Having had the pleasure of watching my girl grow and sharing some of the most amazing times in my life with her I am occasionally horrified to remember that I saw things in such a black and white fashion. Her birth was a massive attitude shift for me.”
November 28th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Leonidas says “has anyone suggested your children should be drowned at birth Phil?”
Then he says”I don’t get why Phil & peanut think I’m having a go at his kids.”
Duh,speaks for itself dont you think.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
O.k. what I meant was: Hey Phil, Has anyone made such an outrageous assertion such as that made today, with respect to your kids? Because if so, that’s just not on and I think you have every right to be damn angry about it.
Kinda thought the general tone followed from my other posts, but apologies for the confusion.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
@ Rex Widerstrom (5.58pm) – love your work Rex – but far too subtle for a shock-jock like borker
November 28th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Thanks I2… pearls before a swine, you’re saying?
November 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I reckon. Borker’s conduct today has been cowardly and totally out-of-line, and I hope that DPF, when he awakens and logs in, will do the right thing and give him the flick.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_competing_narratives_of_ba.html
November 28th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Pakistan 213-9
November 28th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Rex, the use of the word criminal was a mistake, I attempted to edit as i meant to write … ugly, retarded and useless adults.
Sadly, the edit function doesn’t always work.
Furthermore, I may be advocating for abortion of foetuses identified as being downs, but I have not advocated it be compulsory. Hence my reference above that full scale testing could lead to a reduction of 50% in downs births, not 100% as it would be were abortion compulsory.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
sure as shit sounded like ya did, because what would be the point if it wasn’t compulsory?
November 28th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
# Leonidas (80) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
O.k. what I meant was: Hey Phil, Has anyone made such an outrageous assertion such as that made today, with respect to your kids? Because if so, that’s just not on and I think you have every right to be damn angry about it.
Kinda thought the general tone followed from my other posts, but apologies for the confusion.
…………………
No need for the explanation Leonidas, I think probably 99.9% of us know what your meaning was.
Only one or two are confused.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Borker, I assume you would think stroke victims should be put down too?
November 28th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
You bewdy! A rare test victory for the Black Caps after all seemed lost half an hour after the tea adjournment. Great spells from Bond and O’Brien in the last session. O’Brien was especially impressive after dislocating a finger on his bowling hand soon after tea.
Sure, the NZ batting was brittle (as usual), but a win is a win is a win
November 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Cheers WebWrat. sometimes I forget that the nuances of expressing sympathy , compassion, anger and sarcasm are often lost in blogging.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Only if you are short of brain power!
November 28th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
phool
you are the 2nd most degenerate abuser on this site
(Borker takes 1st)
Now you start crying boo hoo when you receive it!!
Fuckwit!!
November 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Well, pobody’s nerfect.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
@billyborker
“Ugly” – entirely subjective. I truly found kaya’s daughter beautiful. OTOH I find Paris Hilton repulsive, and not just for her behaviour. Many disagree (as the worldwide outbreak of crotch-scratching that follows in her wake attests). So we’re going to start culling based on appearance now? I’d better check into the nearest processing centre for turning into compost then.
“Retarded” – in the purely scientific sense, yes, though it’s rather an archaic term now. However there are plenty of people who don’t suffer from Downs, or any other visible abnormality, and yet who are “retarded”. For instance the perfectly normal-looking lunatic against whom I am endeavouring to get a permanent restraining order (working pro bono for a friend) writes stuff like:
Hardly the writings of someone whose mind is working normally. Yet not able to be identified in the womb. So what do we do with them, billy? Shoot them after birth? This guy is in his 30s… is a spot of retrospective eugenics okay then? (If you think so, please let me know. I’ll have you dispatch him and effectively kill two loons* with one stone, as it were).
I’d argue that there are plenty of “retarded” people (if one takes the definition as “intellectually sub normal”) people in the world, most of whom do not suffer from Downs. Have you ever tried to debate the validity of a ticket with a parking inspector, for instance?
“Useless” – what, like a List MP? Or someone chronically unemployed? Or what about the aged and infirm? Do you envisage a sort of “Logan’s Run” scenario to deal with them?
You’ve retreated from “criminals” because you know it’s statistically unprovable to a list of entirely subjective criteria for which, presumably, some Tribunal would be the judge. Headed by yourself, no doubt?
* Excuse the avian pun, it’s not meant to be an ad hominem, I just couldn’t resist.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Its OK, Rex, I’ll be at The Loons in Lyttleton in another hiour or so.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
You are far too kind Leonidis
phool and wee willie borker only deserve contempt.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Do unto others…….
November 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Ahhh, Borker lives in Lyttelton.
That explains a lot, Lyttleton is perhaps the last ‘union’ town in New Zealand and a place where people still argue over the merits of a strike thirty years ago.
And yes, for those of you who have never been but are imagining Lytttelton as a grubby little shit hole populated by ships sluts , labour supporters and union scum…you would be dead right.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
One doesn’t have to live in Lyttleton to enjoy its bars and other delights.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Lyttleton eh? Isn’t that Red Ruth Dyson’s electorate?
November 28th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
phool and wee willie borker only deserve contempt.
perhaps, but still one must not judge the Son by the sins of the Father
November 28th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
What an awesome day for NZ cricket!
And what a bad day for kiwiblog, billyborker your contemptible comments on GD today really take the cake. Did you use to wet the bed when you were a child or something?
You have been added permanently to my RIP- goodbye for ever, you contemptible turd. Karma will get you you sad little fuckwit.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Agree on both counts Nick
November 28th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
has anyone else noticed that dubai reneging on $60 billion in debt..has become the latest flash-point in the ongoing global economic meltdown..?
the former head economist at the imf..sez if this is not totally sorted out/’clarified’ by the time the american stock exchange opens on (our) mon nite..
that next week on that stock exchange will be ..in his word.. ‘tricky’..
(most exposed..?..european banks/commonwealth bank in australia/korean banks + pretty much everyone..
the potential ‘ripples’ are somewhat awesome..
but..funnily enough..
said economist also said the problems in dubai fade into irrelevance when considered against the problems facing america..
‘interesting-times’..ahead..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Enjoyed a good day at the Uni Oval. Actually the first test I have been to see. Interesting day of ebbs and flows, thought we had stuffed up, then we came back, then it seemed to be slipping away, but they held their nerve and kept plugging away and the wickets started tumbling.
Can’t have been many test wins in Dunedin for quite a while?
November 28th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
One question though, when on earth are the black caps going to find decent openers? 2, just 2, cricketers in the 4 million people in NZ that can score runs at the top.
You may say Guptill shows promise, and McIntosh, and perhaps they do, but they are not scoring runs, and that is what we all thought about Papps/How/Redmond/Vincent/Sinclair…………………….
November 28th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Openers have been a problem for a long time. And we looked short of a bowler today, fortunately it wasn’t a long innings so they got by with four.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
The phool on frogblog
phil u
Posted November 27, 2009 at 6:35 PM
also..what is important to do at kiwiblog..
is to ‘call’ them on the lies/bullshit..
some from farrar..but mainly from the commenters..
(again..and not for them..but for that large/silent reading audience..
go harvest..!..bj..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
phil u
Posted November 27, 2009 at 6:54 PM
nah..fly there is bugger all using that rip..
and i am glad those who are..are..
because all they do is spew slime..
so..once again..that big body of silent readers are now afforded a less cloudy/vitriol-laced environment..
and..as one of the righties noted today..
(referring to the fact they all still talk about me..but more importantly..their (now) silence..)
‘who exactly has won this battle..?’
so..i still figure what i do there is worthwhile..
(c.f..large/silent reading audience..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
namely..the likes of kiwiblog…
reasons why..?
it isn’t about the mindless trolls there..
it’s about the fact that that forum has the largest readership..
surely that is where your skills would be better (selectively)engaged..?
you could use that time/energy you waste here with the likes of wat/shunda etc etc..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
I find the last one ironical when he talks about mindless trolls.
Who is the biggest mindless troll on here phool?
Fuckwit
November 28th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
“..Who is the biggest mindless troll on here phool?..”
i guess you wd be on anyones’ short-list..eh..?
seeing as you just make up lies about people all the time..eh..?
that pretty much defines you as a piece of shit..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Glad you had a great day Pete. Rumours of the demise of test cricket would appear to be greatly exaggerated. It was a cracking last day.
We beat Bangladesh at Dunners two years ago (if that counts) – prior to that the last win in the world’s southernmost test venue might have been against Pakistan in 1984-5 where Jeremy Coney and Ewen Chatfield added 50-odd undefeated, effectively for the last wicket after Lance Cairns had copped one to the swede.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Phool is an idiot. Rippers exclude rippees from the thread, not vice versa.
It’s nice to be able to converse in a phool-free environment.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I still find the developments unfolding in a good test fascinating, it was at least as good as watching a one day game today. And watching at the ground you miss all the comments and replays but you see a lot of others things going on that you don’t see on TV.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
You know pentwig, I think I’ve figured out why the Greens are polling below the threshold at the moment.
The vast silent reading majority on Kiwiblog just has to read one of Phool’s rants, work out this is typical of the Greens, and make a rational deduction. Phool=Greens=Electoral Roadkill.
Lovely cricket match btw.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Oh, and the atmosphere of a good cricket match on the ground cannot be matched by the TV experience. The ground experience is superior.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Phillip Ure said “it isn’t about the mindless trolls there..
it’s about the fact that that forum has the largest readership..”
Sheeeee-itt! If Phil’s “news aggregation service” is in the top 1% of Technorati’s global rankings as claimed by its author, where would the forum which “has the largest readership” rate?
November 28th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
AGW’s are all stuffed and turning on each other now.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/4100/UN-scientists-turn-on-each-other-UN-Scientist-Declares-Climategate-colleagues-Mann-Jones-and-Rahmstorf-should-be-barred-from-the-IPCC-process–They-are-not-credible-any-more
UN scientists turn on each other: UN Scientist Declares Climategate colleagues Mann, Jones and Rahmstorf ’should be barred from the IPCC process’ — They are ‘not credible any more’
UN IPCC’s Eduardo Zorita: ‘By writing these lines I will just probably achieve that a few of my future studies will, again, not see the light of publication’
Friday, November 27, 2009 – By Marc Morano – Climate Depot
A UN scientist is declaring that his three fellow UN climate panel colleagues “should be barred from the IPCC process.” In a November 26, 2009 message on his website, UN IPCC contributing author Dr. Eduardo Zorita writes: “CRU files: Why I think that Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred from the IPCC process.”
Zorita writes that the short answer to that question is: Short answer: “Because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore.”
Zorita indicates that he is aware that he is putting his career in jeopardy by going after the upper echelon of UN IPCC scientists. “By writing these lines I will just probably achieve that a few of my future studies will, again, not see the light of publication,” Zorita candidly admits, a reference to the ClimateGate emails discussing how to suppress data and scientific studies that do not agree with the UN IPCC views.
Zorita was a UN IPCC Contributing Author of Fourth Assessment Report in 2007. Since 2003, Zorita as headed the Department of Paleoclimate and has been a senior scientist at the Institute for Coastal Research of the GKSS Research Centre in Germany. Zorita has published more than 70 peer-reviewed scientific studies.
Zorita’s stunning candor continued, noting that scientists who disagreed with the UN IPCC climate view were “bullied and subtly blackmailed.”
“In this atmosphere, Ph D students are often tempted to tweak their data so as to fit the ‘politically correct picture’. Some, or many issues, about climate change are still not well known. Policy makers should be aware of the attempts to hide these uncertainties under a unified picture. I had the ‘pleasure’ to experience all this in my area of research,” Zorita explained.
[Zorita's full statement is reprinted below.]
Continuing fallout of ClimateGate
Zorita’s revelations are the latest in a series of continuing fallout to the global warming establishment and to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), since the email and data scandal dubbed “ClimateGate” broke earlier this month.
Zorita’s defection from the global warming establishment comes after the shocking news today that one of the scientists employed at ground zero of what has been termed “ClimateGate” has suggested disbanding the United Nations climate panel, the IPCC. See: Pressure Mounts From Inside: Disband IPCC? Scientist from U. of East Anglia Suggests ‘UN IPCC has run its course…politicizes climate science…authoritarian, exclusive form of knowledge production’ – Mike Hulme Excerpt: ClimateGate reveals science has become ‘too partisan, too centralized…more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures’
In addition, scientists from around the world are now demanding that the “ClimateGate” scientists be banned from future UN IPCC climate work. See: More ClimateGate Fallout: Prominent German Scientist Declares ‘Compromised’ UN Scientists should be excluded from IPCC and Peer-Review Process – November 24, 2009
Meanwhile, pressure to fire or resign continues to increase for the man at the center of the ClimateGate scandal, Phil Jones. See: Phil Jones, the Fall Guy? Scientist in climate change ‘cover-up’ storm told to quit – UK Daily Mail – Nov. 25, 2009
Caught in Another Untruth? THEN: UN IPCC’s Phil Jones, Dec 3, 2008: ‘About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little – if anything at all’ – NOW: UN IPCC’s Phil Jones, Nov 24, 2009: ‘We’ve not deleted any emails or data here at CRU’
The New ‘Deniers’: UK Greenie George Monbiot: ‘Most of the environmentalists I know have gone into denial’ — ‘Pretending the climate email leak isn’t a crisis won’t make it go away’ – Monbiot: ‘There is no helping it; Phil Jones has to go, and the longer he leaves it, the worse it will get’ – UK Daily Mail – Nov. 25, 2009
more at http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=916&p=26442#p26442
November 28th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Now I wonder what the wonder boys are going to say to this lot? Where to now for the ETS?
another change to legislation coming up in a hurry.
The Nats are screaming mad.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
How come the All Blacks are not as tough as Iain O’Brien?
Dislocated finger…’just put the bloody thing back in and let me carry on bowling’
November 28th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
And does anybody care that the All Blacks are playing another boring test tomorrow?
I am so over rugby, bring on the rest of the cricket season!
November 28th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Inventory, I have it on good authority that the US President is a regular reader of Whoar.
Which explains where his “soaring rhetoric” has gone.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Definitely bruv. Looked bloody painful.
Bout time we had someone of substance in a national team, instead of the many bad behaving, underperformaing prima donnas. Elliot has a bit of that same substance about him IMO.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Walk the line is on, so in the immortal words of Eric Cartman: Screw you guys, I’m going home!
November 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Rugby is really struggling to excite at the moment. Too much of it, but not enough of it in each game. Mostly tedious.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
big bruv – I’m actually looking forward to the rugby in the morning – the forward confrontation is shaping up as the best of the season. It might not be pretty, but I reckon that it could be a good, old-fashioned stoush
November 28th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Climategate – What will it mean for the Greens as a political entity in NZ?
What percentage of their support is based around this one issue?
How many people have to walk away to put them under 5%?
My weekend just keeps getting better and better
More beer!
November 28th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Yeah, I’ll still watch the French test in the morning, at least there is more uncertainty about it than the last few. But a good chance it won’t be pretty.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
@Leonidas
Well, I’ve only been on KiwiBlog for a bit over a year, and in my experience, no. The Phool is completely delusional and lives in a Quixotic world where his opponents are evil, and he slays them with a quick retort. In the real-world, he’s a parasitic fuckwit with no real friends. Foot fungus has more charisma and wit. So the delusion thing is infinitely preferable for him.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Breaking News:
Tiger and Elin had a fight so Tiger scarpered in the Escalade. She chased after him with the golf club, smashing the back window. It appears she caused his facial injuries.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
you really are the one for the convoluted insult..aren’t you clintoiid..?
top marks for effort..!
eh..?
but like yr photography..i guess..
‘could do better’..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Phillip Ure – the only difference between you and the bitter, twisted billyborker is punctuation ..eh..?
November 28th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Just when you thought Gordon wasn’t already a total prick:
November 28th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
inv..the only difference between you and scum-suckers like ..say pentwig..as just one example of many..
is not much at all..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 28th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
phool, phool, phool
I’m a moron, remember?
You promised not to respond because I am one you said
I know you are the runt puppy but please keep your word.
November 29th, 2009 at 5:25 am
“Who is the biggest mindless troll on here phool?”
Bludger, no more! The joy of not having to read the excrement Whoar writes is very good.
Long live RIP.
November 29th, 2009 at 7:12 am
It looks like the need for kiwi to blog has been deprived while it’s Middle Eastern connection takes precedent over passionate political desire.
November 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Wonder where Bron thinks Britain’s 800 mil coming from. They are broke now and he should clean up their own act first. Another stupid lefty.