You may think it’s clear I’m “well entrenched in the belief that human caused climate change is leading us towards a global catastrophe.” If so you have not been observing very well.

I’ve been observing quite well enough. You constantly knock back evidence which suggests that man-made climate change is not real, and then feign surprise when I observe that this casts you as a supporter of man-name climate change. Is it more comfortable declaring that you’re sitting on the fence, despite it being obvious that you’re not?

You and a few are trying desperately to bring the efforts of many scientists into disrepute.

Rubbish. It is Jones at al that are bringing their own profession into disrepute.

Phil Jones is responsible for some stupidity…

Phil Jones is not responsible for some stupidity. Jones, Mann and Biffra are responsible for deliberately falsifying data on which billions (trillions?) of dollars of current and future taxpayer money is to be spent. That is quite possibly criminal, as is the destruction of data prior to a FOI request. Further, their manipulation of the peer review process is an unethical pervasion of accepted scientific method. I’m more than a little alarmed that you classify these actions as ’some stupidity’.

You and a few are trying desperately to bring the efforts of many scientists into disrepute. For your accusations to be correct most scientists and politicians would have to be in on the same scam – for which you have still provided no evidence.

Phil Jones is responsible for some stupidity, but that doesn’t automatically negate everything he has been involved in, most studies on climate change are backed up by similar studies, and also backed by a lot of real world observations. And there is a lot more corroboration that his datasets have noting to do with.

A spokesperson for the New Zealand AIDS foundation has called the death of Glen Mills “tragic”

There is nothing tragic about it, this wanker deliberately infected man and woman with a deadly disease, the world is a better place now he is gone.

You post rafts of comments running down anyone who doesn’t worship at your alter of absolute denial.

Where? I ‘run down’ arguments, not people.

I have checked out claims you and your congregation of closed minds make and find most of them dubious at best.

Hope I ‘checked out’ ok. Did you hire a PI? As for my ‘congregation of closed minds’ …what the hell is that? I believed that global warming was happening three years ago. I researched, became suspicious, researched some more and have since come to the view that the science we’ve fed by the experts & MSM is agenda-driven junk-science. The CRU emails and code confirms this for me. Quite how this constitutes a ‘closed mind’ is a mystery.

You try to promote alarm and fear about global governments and scams for which you don’t even try to substantiate.

This isn’t about climate and it isn’t about saving the planet. That you can’t see the bigger picture here is a concern, given that you appear to be bright enough chap.

You cast aspersions on thousands of scientists.

Where did I do that? Phil Jones et al are responsible for key datasets used by the IPCC. These datasets have been doctored, falsified, withheld from peer review and then ‘lost’ (‘the dog ate my homework’). That other scientists have based their legitimate efforts on what now appears to be falsified junk-science is a travesty. It is Jones at al that are bringing the legitimate efforts of many scientists into disrepute.

And you again avoided my question, instead resorting to baseless attack again – name one part of climate science I staunchly defend.

On the balance of your plentiful comments it’s clear that you’re well entrenched in the belief that human caused climate change is leading us towards a global catastrophe. I’m sorry that you feel this assessment is baseless attack. I’m simply stating what I observe.

‘it takes for instance, 200 litres of water..to produce a glass of milk..”

is that specific enough for you..?

let us know how you get on..

(b.t.w…this guy is doing work to try to help/aid nz export efforts..

..he isn’t a wild-eyed greenie..trying to tear the system down..

all of which just makes his statement all the more powerful/show-stopping..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

I don’t have the listener to hand, but why don’t you just copy in the paragraph where that figure came from? That might make it clearer. I will look myself and if that guy is saying that for NZ milk then I will send him an email as I would love to see how he got such a massive number. And I’ll report back.

I’m not having a go at you personally. But it doesn’t help when stupid numbers get bandied around all out of context.

with that/his..one glass of milk = 200 litres of water..formula..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

can i suggest you also engage with mr clothier..?

(contact details above..)

i am not the one to argue the science of this..

i just told you about it..

eh..?

once again..

keep a record/let us know how you got on..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

(the/any email exchange would be/make fascinating reading..eh..?..)

I will have a look in the Listener. He may well have been talking about other countries.

SSB has just confirmed that his farm uses at most 30,000 / (200 x 3 x 10) = 5 litres/glass. Probably less as that is based on 10 litres/day in mid summer.

If dairying in NZ is more efficient than in many other countries, wouldn’t it be better that it’s done here where the cost is less? As cost correlates with environmental cost. Look at dairying in California. Irrigation galore. Pumped by electricity from (predominately) coal-fired power stations.

So go easy in NZ dairy farmers. They’re one of NZ’s few economic success stories of recent times and one of the few areas still growing. Other than welfare dependency, of course. And from an environmental POV they leave the rest in the dust.

And if SSB could just vote to float Fonterra, I’d put my money where my mouth is

you are the one claiming his knowledge is worthless..

not me..

his name is brent clothier..

and he works at/for ‘plant and food research’..

i’m sure you’ll be able to find him from that..

do let us know how you get on..

eh..?

(the/any email exchange would be/make fascinating reading..eh..?..)

off you go..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)

stop trying to deflect the message..by attacking the messanger..

(where did you learn to do that..?..)

the fact is…as adjudicated by a top scientist..whose specialty is the water content/price of food/goods..

is that every glass of that filthy/cancer/stroke/heart-disease-causing white-death muck that you produce/peddle..

..has that enormous environmental footprint of 200 litres of (waste)-water..

plus the pollution/degradation of our land/waterways..

plus the pain/suffering deaths of the animals you so cruelly exploit/mistreat..

(and i am the one ‘talking through a hole in his arse.’..eh..?

i mean..if we further define that as one who talks total/provable shit..

that’s you..

eh..?

you are the problem..bloody-hands-bob..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)

Indeed petey, just what the gardener said with all this rain about.

# getstaffed at 11:15 pm

Good on you Luc. And all those +ve karma’s from people who share your opinion(s). Way to go.

A few karmas on Kiwiblog?

When Danish Prime Minister Lars Rasmussen arrived in Trinidad on Saturday for the Commonwealth summit, 85 leaders were going. By yesterday it was 90.

Way to go.

# getstaffed at 10:28 pm

Pete – You post rafts of comments running down the arguments of anyone that doesn’t worship at the alter of climate change and then drop in a comment about having an open mind about the whole subject. IMO that’s simply dishonest, and a waste of electrons given the MSM already do a sterling job of promoting alarm and fear.

I take it from this comment you can’t substantiate your accusation.

You post rafts of comments running down anyone who doesn’t worship at your alter of absolute denial. I have checked out claims you and your congregation of closed minds make and find most of them dubious at best.

You try to promote alarm and fear about global governments and scams for which you don’t even try to substantiate.

You cast aspersions on thousands of scientists.

And you again avoided my question, instead resorting to baseless attack again – name one part of climate science I staunchly defend.