that’s no surprise..eh..?

fundies aren’t known for any tolerance of free-speech..

(it’s just another of their little ‘quirks’..eh..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

Do you ever get sick of shouting into an echo chamber?

It’s interesting that most of the things you accuse me of are in fact attributes that you possess. Attributes that you portray to others that take the trouble to read your dots and dashes. As I’ve said before; I’m surprised that DPF even gives you the oxygen to breath in this blog. I know I wouldn’t.

(they are prone to those..those fundamentalists..)

btw..i hope you always wear clean underwear..eh..?

never can tell when the rapture will kick off..?

eh..?

have you thought of going to the top of a mountain..?

and just waiting for it..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

Gee you talk a lot of crap, Luc.
You and Gore are two peas in the same pod – so I shouldn’t be surprised.

And if you’re really concerned about the (eternal) wellbeing of your children and grandchildren, then I have some reference materials you could give them. As you already have all the answers, though, I guess it unlikely you’ll be taking up my offer. Your loss, and sadly, theirs as well.

And the smart money is on it being in large part due to human activity. Now you stick to your risible quotations out of a scientifically risible work of art – literature – by all means, but I swing in behind the precautionary principle when such stakes are involved and my chioldren and grandchildren are depending on us adults to do the right thing.

Swanning around on a flying carpet of speech marks just marks you as an enemy of mankind, basically. Al Qaeda ain’t got nothing on you and your mates above.

It makes me wish I had taken psychology at uni so I had more insight into what drives such self-endangering behaviour. Maybe you secretly wish for Armageddon. You should be careful what you wish becuse according to your nonsense god gave us life and

“Whatsover God giveth, God taketh away.”

MARTIN van BEYNEN

Just another amoral commie creep posing as a journalist.

Rodney Hide, another swaggering fool politician opening his mouth without engaging his brain.

Look for ACT to hit true minority status after this gaffe. I wonder if Rodders is in any way related to Prince Philip?

It’ll blow over. On the subject of fulsome pollies though, anyone else hear Tim Shadbolt admit he was trying to roll his deputy because he was jealous of him?

Slow down & let that brain catch up Tim.

And Kris: “The fact that none, and I do mean NONE, of the computer models predicted the global cooling of the last 10 years shows just how pathetic these models are at ‘predicting’ climate change.”

I googled: climate cooling anticipated and top of the page was

For years, Russians have been predicting global cooling because of an anticipated change in the sun’s output. They do not necessarily contest the validity …
http://www.energyendgame.com/Cooling.htm – Similar -

And the rest of the quote:
Global cooling gains some credibility – February 8, 2008

“For years, Russians have been predicting global cooling because of an anticipated change in the sun’s output. They do not necessarily contest the validity of global warming from greenhouse gases, but they point out that if the sun gets “cooler” everything else does not matter.”

Interesting that this info comes out in 2008 when we’ve already had about 10 years of cooling. But notice, too, that they “do not necessarily contest the validity of global warming from greenhouse gases”. Sounds like a bob each way if you ask me.

The fact that those that believe AGW is a psuedo scientific contrivance have also stated that reducing sun spot activity is in fact the primary driver for climate cooling reveals that this is basic common sense. Heck, even I predict climate change in accordance with sun spot activity – whoopdy do.

ALL of the computer models the IPCC used predicted uncontrolled AGW. The fact that for the last 10 years we’ve had global cooling has frustrated their religious aims no end – of course now they call it ‘Climate Change’, not ‘Global Warming’.

It’s a religion, Luc, and you’ve got a lot more spadework to do to overcome the avalanche of evidence against AGW.
Good luck with that.

Just another amoral commie creep posing as a journalist.

Marvelous stuff! “Key does nothing” the headline rings.

Look for ACT to hit true minority status after this gaffe. I wonder if Rodders is in any way related to Prince Philip?

Contrary to the claims of anthropogenic climate change sceptics and outright deniers, the science of global warming is settled.

Pete, with respect, that’s complete nonsense. The science on which the theory/theories are based is so far from settled that one will find more fact in a JK Rowling novel.

In many cases this science is based on source data that’s been ‘adjusted’, or not-peer reviewed, or plain fabricated (ie the removal of the Medieval Warming Period from IPCC’s released datasets, ice caps are melting when ther are expanding, the ocean is warming when it is, in fact, cooling etc).

In other cases cherry-picked datasets have been adopted in support while the majority of ‘unsupportive’ datasets from the same knowledge domains have been dropped. Google ‘CRU Yamal data set’ for more info.

The adoption of arbitrary start and end dates for trend mapping in support of pre-determined outcomes is rife. The incidence of hurricane occurrence is a great exampled here. IPCC use data from 1970 which shows an increasing trend. Data from 1940, which they chose to withold, reveals a decreasing trend.

No, the science is not settled. It’s it riddled with bullets of truth and scientific sunlight, and the worshipers at the altar of climate change are rightfully worried.

This case concerned a Canadian citizen detained in the US and exported to Syria where he was held in humiliating and inhuman confinement and subject to torture for 12 mths. The Canadian government later declared him innocent and awarded him about C10 million dollars. He then sued the US government but a federal court said it can’t find for him because national security interests trump everything else.

Thin about it: it is now officially non-actionable, legally, for the US government to pick you up in US territory, charge you with no crime, torture and/or kill you in a state that allow these practices. You or your family will receive no compensation even if you are proved innocent. The US government has not contested any of the plaintiffs allegations.

Let’s hope the plaintiff appeals and the Supreme Court arrives at a the kind of decision we expect from the land of the free.

And I have found myself with an open mind on the subject of global warming. It is happening, but what is the cause? Humankind, cyclical weather patterns, or a combination of both?

hutt, where have you been hiding? There is enough information and links above for you to do your own research. Try it. You might even like it.

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Geoff Easdown and Geraldine Mitchell

November 03, 2009 11:00pm

A JETSTAR plane may have suffered the same malfunction last week that brought down an Air France jet in the Atlantic in June, killing all 228 on board.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau and the Civil Aviation Safety Authority are probing the similarities between both incidents.

At 1.30am on October 29 the pilot of the Jetstar Airbus 330-200 reported an instrument blackout as the jet, carrying 200 passengers, passed through storm clouds between Japan and the Gold Coast.

Investigators are treating the incident as serious and have downloaded information from the jet’s flight data recorders before the jet was released back to the airline. After normal flight was resumed, the crew radioed Jetstar’s Melbourne HQ for advice where it was determined that the plane should fly on to the Gold Coast.

* Qantas probe: Pilots ‘forgot to lower wheels’
* The Punch: Black box – or brown undies?

The aircraft landed five hours later without the passengers knowing what happened.

During the six-second blackout, the automatic pilot malfunctioned and fluctuating readings were transmitted by one of the jet’s three airspeed indicators, a similar situation to what the pilot of the Air France jet is said to have reported in his final radio message before his aircraft broke up and plunged into the ocean.

Jetstar said last night that early indications were the airspeed sensing system suffered a momentary interruption, after which the instruments returned to normal. “The crew remained in full control of the aircraft at all times and responded in accordance with training and procedure,” the airline said.

A spokesperson said the carrier was also liaising closely with Airbus on the issue, adding that a number of parts were replaced during a detailed examination of the jet before it was allowed to resume flying.

The Jetstar and Air France jets were similar models, Airbus 330-200 jetliners.

Until now Jetstar parent Qantas has steadfastly maintained its jets are different to the doomed Air France airliner.

Jetstar aircraft are fitted with different speed sensors to those used on Air France planes and which investigators believe may have iced up and caused the mid-Atlantic disaster.

I googled: climate cooling anticipated

and top of the page was

For years, Russians have been predicting global cooling because of an anticipated change in the sun’s output. They do not necessarily contest the validity …
http://www.energyendgame.com/Cooling.htm – Similar -

Monday 2 November 2009 at 14:03 GMT

You may find this difficult to believe, but climate science is not conducted within the pages of newspapers, or on the websites of the world’s more opinionated bloggers. But for those without ready access to the ongoing debate among scientists, one could be forgiven for thinking that it is.

Climate predictions rely on models of the Earth’s atmosphere, and models are, owing to the complexity of the natural world and the limited computational power at our disposal, idealised representations of reality. However, simplified though they can sometimes be, climate models are subject to continuous development and refinement as we learn more about the Earth system. Uncertainties in the predictions made with the aid of models are thereby reduced.

Contrary to the claims of anthropogenic climate change sceptics and outright deniers, the science of global warming is settled. What continues to be debated are the finer details of the processes involved and their complex interactions. These are of course crucial, and there is much discussion within the Earth science community about uncertainties in climate models, and the impact these have on predictions which will have huge social and economic ramifications.

In a recent issue of the American Geophysical Union’s house journal Eos, Columbia University researcher Lisa Goddard and others discuss among other things the issue of uncertainty, and the difficulty in making predictions with climate models.

“Although scientific effort never will eliminate uncertainty, it can better estimate uncertainty. This is especially true at the time scales of seasons to decades, which are the most actionable time scales. These are the time scales at which incremental adaptation can evolve with the help of appropriate state-of-the-art climate predictions.”

Goddard and her colleagues go on to stress that climate science is inherently probabilistic in nature, and, as such, individual models cannot be used for point-specific climate forecasting. This crucial point must be hammered into the dense skulls of pundits and policymakers who cannot seem to cope with anything other than simple, binary logic. What is needed, say the authors, is for decision makers to learn how to treat information about future climate as a range of possibilities.

http://sedgemore.com/2009/11/improving-climate-models-and-predictions/

Billy, you misrepresent the finding. The green philosophy adopted by the plaintiff is the belief: the science is climate change.

sideshow, personal or institutional failings do not invalidate the science. And you should calm down. I have nothing in a twist over moves to address climate change; rather it is the deniers wo seem to find it necessary to resort to ad hominem rants.

Sonny, all scientific theories are under constant challenge. But anthropogenic global warming is still the consensus findings of the specialists. I wonder if you would argue as much with your heart surgeon. Also, it’s true climate is chaotic, but patterns over huge time spans do exist and these patterns tell us that there is something different afoot this time.

Kris, in my opinion the greatest psuedo science foisted upon man is religion, including “miracles” and creationism.