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Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres has ruled out investigating the email, saying Mr Harawira was exercising his freedom of opinion…… This was in today’s Herald.
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!! Even the race commissioner is a racist!!! The politics is extremely corrupt.
It’s worth listening to more of the story from de Bres:
Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres also called for an apology, and suggested on Radio New Zealand this morning that Mr Harawira deliver that in Parliament.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:22 am
The shooting in Texas seems to indicate that the US does not understand that Islamist extremism is their enemy- how did the man make Major?
Perhaps he did it by being good at his job? Perhaps there is a lot more to this story than the simple religious identification you seek. Perhaps he simply cracked after seeing so many mangled bodies and minds in the cause of …? What is the war about, again?
jackp @8:10am – yes true, but it also means that everyone is now free to call maoris “black motherfuckers who have been raping white women and stealing our property for hundreds of years”, without their risking being investigated by the Race Relations Commission.
bb- he had bad performance reviews, so being good at his job isn’t the reason. When it comes to ’simple religious identification’, why have you conflated Islamists with Islam?
I think GMM is correct, there is more to this story than we know and it will come out despite the MSM.
Islam and the imam he studied under won’t come out of it in a good light if the truth is told.
Should Rodney and Hone go . . . or this
“Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for Thy guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and personal interests, we beseech Thee to grant that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country to the glory of Thy holy name, the maintenance of true religion and justice, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.”
And is Joris de Bres serving the ‘public welfare, peace and tranquility of New Zealand’ or should he step down as well?
Intend you to say of another, other than good,
Perceived wisdom suggests it’s best that you should,
Withhold your views, until in the other man’s shoes,
You have walked a mile – then have your say!
Because now he’s left barefoot and you’re a mile away.
Hone Harawera should know that if it were not for the “white motherf___ers”
and “puritanical bullshit” he likely wouldn’t have shoes.
I think a haiku has only seventeen words, so this is disqualified – oh, well . . .
Possibly as a medical officer he isn’t a “line officer”, he would have been assigned the rank as a doctor, not as a soldier or leader (think Frank Burns).
I heard that he’d tried to get out of the army some time ago when he felt a conflict between his religion and duties developing, along with problems of abuse from soldiers because of his religion. So it was probably a disaster waiting to happen, it’s sad that it panned out how it did.
Read this earlier about him having mandatory counseling for his behaviour?
“How did Nidal Malik Hasan rise to the rank of major in the U.S. Army with his background? I’m not talking about his Muslim faith. I’m talking about his troubled history – the disciplinary record of inappropriate proselytizing, the extremist Internet postings, the statements to comrades about American foreign policy, the mandatory counseling he had to receive because of his behavior. How could he ever have been placed in such a position of authority?”
Hone is a throwback. He is clearly frustrated with conventional politics, and the accommodation reached between the Maori party and the Nats. Every parliamentary session throws up somebody who cannot abide the system or feels emasculated by it; Hone is one of these. He is more comfortable with the angry protests, the outrageous rhetoric, and the sycophantic groupies, that are now of the past. I do not expect him to stay in Parliament.
Hone is not a throwback, the reall issue for the Maori Party is that hes blown their cover. Sharples and Turia have leanered to moderate their language, he hasn’t.
You’ll note they intend to keep him on and he has already said he does not think theres anything worg with WHAT he said, just HOW he said it.
On another note perhaps Mr Mises had an idea of our structural problems apart from funding flower arranging classes.
“Mises’s solution follows logically from his warnings. You can’t fix what’s broken by breaking it yet again. Stop the credit gavage. Stop inflating. Don’t encourage consumption, but rather encourage saving and the repayment of debt. Let all the lame businesses fail—no bailouts. (You see where I’m going with this.) The distortions must be removed or else the precipice from which the system will inevitably fall will simply grow higher and higher.”
“The commission (Race relations) received more than 20 complaints about the (Harawira) email but said yesterday Mr Harawira’s language did not breach the Human Rights Act.”
Thanks for the links Mike.
I see nothing in them that refutes the points I’m making. He felt a conflict between his religion at his duty as a US soldier, his (out spoken) beliefs were turning him against his fellow soldiers and the army wasn’t letting him out, I suspect for two reasons; his superiors, who didn’t like him, they were happy to punish him by keeping him there, and the army is very short of psychiatrists. Obviously there are other ways that he could have resolved this conflict that would have been preferable, suicide or desertion, but he was so twisted up that he took the vengeful martyr option.
Obviously the army was very much aware of his problems, and didn’t act to resolve them as it should have, and those problems were obviously affecting his ability to do his job. Do you have a better explaination for why the army didn’t address the issue in a proactive way?
Andrew W
I do not know why the USArmy didn’t sort him earlier and suspect that like all bureaucracies it may have been a time issue alongside PC claptrap and or regulations.
One issue may have been did he normally carry firearms and was that viewed as lessened the risk?
As a psychiatrist I don’t think he did as a normal course of duty.
That the FBI were looking at him and who in his hierarchy knew and didn’t suspend him I don’t know.
Frankly I don’t think any organisation nowadays would think they can send Muslims to do military duties in Muslim led countries without doing vetting big time, and if that didn’t happen here, what does it point to? organisation failure perhaps?
The reality is the US forces are stretched, which may partly explain this.
In fact some reports state that the long term viability of the force and US society is being damaged as the “war perse is not being viewed as WWII was” it is disconnected from mainstream.
Though not in the country towns who are bearing the brunt of casualties and especially disabled ex servicemen and women I might add.
The time off of deployment is being massaged down by the Generals due to numbers and needs which is putting pressure on communities and businesess.
The reality is the US forces are stretched, which may partly explain this.
Possibly a major factor. If they removed all those who expressed concerns about going to Iraq or Afghanistan they might end up with a recruitment crisis. I think they had already relaxed enrollment criteria to get enough numbers of (mugs) people willing to go.
“..Whenever I hear people shouting Allah akbar ..”
what is the difference between that..
and with a priest blessing a bomber about to go and drop it’s load on civilians..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Having spoken to a lot of WWII bomber crews Phil, I have yet to meet one who enjoyed doing what they did. Thos jihadis going allah akbar are cumming in their pants with glee as they cut the head off a bound man with a kitchen knife. If you can’t see the difference you are more fucked up than I thought you were.
I’m writing this letter as a fan – I’ve tremendous respect for the pioneering work you did at National Review Online, your attempts to inject humor into political writing, and the enjoyable debates you’ve done with Peter Beinart. But I’m also a friendly critic, here to challenge your take on the current state of the GOP, the conservative movement, and the country. Perhaps I can persuade you that certain of your positions are wrongly held, though I’d be as satisfied were I moved by counterarguments.
It is actually surprising that the gulf separating our attitudes is so deep. As a native of Orange County, California, the people I most respect in this world – my parents and two sets of grandparents – are all self-described conservative Republicans. My involvement in politics began in response to what I regarded as grave flaws in leftist campus politics at Pomona College, and the dubious actions of Democrats during the Gray Davis era in California, when I witnessed giveaways to public employee unions that were arguably the most fiscally irresponsible measures in state history. The political writers I’ve read whose work most resonates are Burke, Hayek, and Milton Friedman. The bulk of President Obama’s domestic agenda strikes me as ill conceived at best—I worry about the unabated growth of the federal government, America’s perilous fiscal situation, and an approach to governance that relies on the enduring wisdom of elected and appointed officials.
But try as I might, I cannot muster any enthusiasm for the Republican Party, I am profoundly disillusioned by the state of the conservative movement, and though my background and political beliefs ought to make me a lock for GOP presidential candidates – were they running, I’d certainly prefer Ford, Reagan, George Bush Sr. or Bob Dole to a second Obama term – I am a solidly undecided voter as 2012 approaches.
Pete
You are partly correct.
They already have recruitment issues in some areas which is being exacerbated by the increases in fatalities and disabled servicemen/women as units often draw geographically as it helps unit cohesion.
This is compounded with some units attracting the lessor qualified so their options in rehab are harder than those with trade and professional qualifications.
Questions are being asked of the Generals sending units to other theaters without the preferred family and retraining before redeployment.
Many units are National Guard too which has an impact on Business so the discussion is growing.
Whenever I hear people shouting Allah akbar I see those vids of poor bastards getting their heads cut off. To me that phrase is the same as Seig Heil.
“God is great”?
Seig Heil just means Hail Victory. Hardly offensive or emotionally charged if you translate it into English. It is the context. Just the same as jihadis who say God is great before every one of their murderous acts makes that particular exultation offensive to me.
It’s predominantly darkie isn’t it?
Foaming at the mouth, scimitar in hand, chasing innocent americans across the sand as they dare to liberate the holy lands…….
Dear Agony Aunt, Is this normal – I have developed a habit of everytime I see Phillip Urine’s name attached to anything I add a thumbs down to it, this has become a conditioned reflex, is this personal or is it because I have a deep seated phobia about dopesmoking, bludging, self opinionated, lazy, pimples on the bum of humanity
Thanks for your help
Seig Heil just means Hail Victory. Hardly offensive or emotionally charged if you translate it into English. It is the context. Just the same as jihadis who say God is great before every one of their murderous acts makes that particular exultation offensive to me.
Well, that’s silly. You clearly just haven’t attended enough births and weddings and stuff where Allahu Akbar is being shouted for nice, friendly reasons.
Brian Smaller writes “Whenever I hear people shouting Allah akbar I see those vids of poor bastards getting their heads cut off”
I wouldn’t go that far, but we should give our own ” Trougher” Rodney Hide a taste of justice!. What about putting Hide in the stocks in town and using the bum as a human target for rotten fruit & Veg and what ever else you see fit to throw at him??
Of course the ACT Party could have their own Private “Trougher in the Stocks” campaign. Send Hide around the country and make a charge for the public to have some fun. $45.00 for say 3 rotten to the core apples? The holiday fund would be paid off in no time
Hone is a revolutionary.
The problem is that being in Parliament makes him part of the system, the same system he is wired to fight against, so he’s self destructing.
There will be more to come and i reckon it’s gonna be fun to watch!
scanner- I usually don’t slow down my scrolling through the Phool’s message long enough to assign a negative karma.
Phool is basically irrelevant. Starve him of attention and he leaves you alone.
When a prist kicks in the door of his local school and yells deus vult before spraying gun fire about let me know phool.
Yer gigantic fuckwit.
Good to see the criminal underclass and permenant parasites support terrorism as always. Good to know what side you’re on. It must really suck to have scum like you as your support base.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
When a prist kicks in the door of his local school and yells deus vult before spraying gun fire about let me know phool.
And what do you say about the priest who recites the rosary while buggering young boys?
Or the nuns who sang Adeste Fidelis while preparing young girls for the priests’s beds?
I finally figured out why philu loves Islamic extremists and Islam so much and spends so much effort defending them. He heard that under Sharia Law you can get stoned to death. I fear he may have the wrong end of that doobie.
Murray – there is probably a video on You Tube. As opposed to the zero vids on the web showing Islamists allah-akbaring while committing murder. In fact the evidence is so slim on that front I think any accusations of Islamic extremism must in fact, be made up.
Does anyone else think it is more than mildly amusing that Hone’s mum came out swinging in defence of her poor, much maligned little Hone?
Talk about a mummy’s boy!
If he can’t stand up for himself he has no place in the running of our country. Perhaps they should introduce yoof rates as part of the parliamentary salary scale.
If he can’t stand up for himself he has no place in the running of our country. Perhaps they should introduce yoof rates as part of the parliamentary salary scale.
I would have thought a 90 day trial period would be better. Seriously though – I like the idea of recall elections.
Of course if Hone apologises now it will make a dishonest man of him as well as a racist. I think this is roughly what Dover Samuels was suggesting on Radio Live not too long ago.
And if Phil Goff, in his position, says Harawera is racist, perhaps de Bres really needs to spell out exactly why he thinks Hone is not, so that people of Goff’s position can be better informed.
I’m amazed at how many comments on the internet amount to, “She was probably asking for it.”
From the story that was reported, it would seem that’s exactly what he thought too. While I’m quite sure she wasn’t, I do wonder what she thought she was getting into asking for a kiss, then going down a dark alley with the guy. If that’s what happened (as in, if the initial report I read is how it went er, down)..
Yeah llew, I know she made Helen Clark cry which I’d imagine would take some doing.
Seriously tho’ I actually read it more as a shot across the bows of Pita and Tariana quite clearly spelling out that nobody messes with Nga Puhi and that they run the show. Sort of explains the softly softly approach of the Maori Party and Hone’s arrogance – he sees himself as bulletproof. You know … much like an 18 year old who’s risk centres have yet to develop.
From the story that was reported, it would seem that’s exactly what he thought too. While I’m quite sure she wasn’t, I do wonder what she thought she was getting into asking for a kiss, then going down a dark alley with the guy. If that’s what happened (as in, if the initial report I read is how it went er, down)..
Sure, possibly. We don’t know. But I haven’t seen many comments that reserve judgement on the matter. One said something like, “She was probably dressed like she was 21,” which presumably means that 21-year-old women can wish for nothing better than to have a man unzip his fly down an alleyway.
The sanest response is, as usual, to reserve judgement where we don’t have all the facts.
Seriously tho’ I actually read it more as a shot across the bows of Pita and Tariana quite clearly spelling out that nobody messes with Nga Puhi and that they run the show.
“She was probably dressed like she was 21,” which presumably means that 21-year-old women can wish for nothing better than to have a man unzip his fly down an alleyway.
Did I read somewhere this was around 3am? I’d have expected most out at that time to be legal adults.
And surely, having asked a drunken entertainer to accompany her & a friend down a dark alley to give them a kiss, it’s not so much what she might have wished for, but what on earth might she have expected?
No, we don’t have all the facts, but what we have heard reflects badly on the women and the entertainer in question.
“..Levy on homes and .. high pay inquiry considered .. as wealth gap widens
A fierce debate within the government on how to tackle entrenched wealth inequality – possibly through a high pay commission or a tax on assets –
- is to be ignited by a report ordered by Harriet Harman, the Labour deputy leader and the minister responsible for equalities.
The report is due to be published in January.
Early drafts seen by ministers say wealth inequality has deepened, with the rungs on the ladder having grown further apart ..
.. reducing social mobility.
It is also expected to underline the degree to which access to pensions and housing play a crucial role in entrenching inequalities in wealth and income.
Harman sees the report, which has been commissioned from a team of academics chaired by Professor John Hills ..
.. as a political opportunity for Labour to frame a progressive debate on inequality before the election.
Downing Street and the Treasury would be opposed to a new wealth tax, but there may be pressure for a tougher capital gains tax on main homes ..
.. or widening council tax bands.
It is also likely to lead to calls for wider employee share ownership and home ownership.
The Hills report will challenge the Tory policy of raising the threshold for inheritance tax to £1m ..
.. and is likely to endorse tax credits as an effective way of redistributing incomes.
Its preliminary findings show “whether it’s educational attainment, income, or housing ..
.. those from the most deprived backgrounds tend to do worse”.
The latest official government figures show 1% of the population owned approximately a fifth of the UK’s marketable wealth in 2003 ..
.. and half shared only 7% of the total wealth.
The results are even more skewed if housing is excluded, suggesting this form of wealth is more evenly distributed.
Wealth is less evenly distributed than income.
Harman’s equality bill, currently going through the Commons, will require ministers, departments and public bodies such as local authorities, primary care trusts, and regional development agencies ..
.. to consider what action they can take to reduce socio-economic inequalities..”
Some of the available sketchy facts – the female complainant was not one of then two who initially accompanied the “entertainer” down the alley for a “kiss”.
The charge arose from an incident earlier this year after the entertainer left a Wellington venue about 3.30am.
Defence lawyer Ron Mansfield said the defendant was recognised by three young females, who approached him in the street and asked if they could kiss him.
“There was some discussion,” he said. “There was some crude propositioning.”
The man and two of the females went to an alley. The third female followed later and that was when that the indecent act occurred.
Mr Mansfield said the defendant, who was intoxicated at the time, had misread the situation when he moved the head of one of the girls down to his genitals. The man had no inkling that what had happened had caused offence and believed it had been consensual.
Mr Mansfield said the man had no previous convictions and what he did was entirely out of character.
He made an early guilty plea, was genuinely remorseful, had written a letter of apology to the complainant and was prepared to pay reparations of $5000.
So the man has accepted what he did was wrong, and he doesn’t seem to have claimed the complainant “asked for it”. Although I thought at one stage he also said he was so drunk he couldn’t remember it either, but I suspect that is sometimes used as a convenient excuse not to answer questions.
Funny, Ryan Sproull, that you, of all people, should say that we need to reserve judgement until we have all the facts.
Were you not one of the editors of Craccum who published my leaked rude email without trying to find out about the full circumstances of the case (including the emails before and after the rude one, as well as the fact that the student’s extension request was never substantiated, nor did she ever make a formal written complaint to anyone, or that the leak was in fact orchestrated by pro-Palestinian activists with an ax to grind with me about my supposed pro-Israeli beliefs)? And were you not one of those who, in comments threads here on the subject of my dismissal, who repeated the lie that I must have done something else in order to get dismissed (a claim refuted by the ERA)? What I do recall is that you and others involved in disseminating the email went very quiet once the dismissal was ruled to be unjustified.
Since you did not have too much concern about the facts then, and were not man enough to admit that you insinuations were false once the truth began to come out, what makes you so pious all of a sudden?
Kris, thanks for the reply yesterday. Sorry for the slow reply. Kiddies went to Peter Pan and it turned into an all afternoon and evening thing.
No worries.
I’m a day late responding as well – hope you see this. As you will no doubt understand Sundays are a full day for me: am and pm church services; our monthly church lunch, and round to friends for a cuppa after the lunch. I didn’t even get online yesterday at all.
OK, so you think Muslims have unwittingly fallen into a trap set by Satan. And God is fighting a battle save us all from Satan. And has given us a route to be saved via Christ.
I wouldn’t necessarily go so far as to say ‘unwittingly’; I believe many Muslims are willing participants, but yes, there is a degree of satanic deception. It is worth googling for the testimonies of Muslims who have converted to Christianity – they express the satanic nature of Islam from a first hand perspective having lived through the process. And yes, God desires that all would come to Him in repentance through Christ’s sacrifical payment on the cross.
If God created the universe and everything in it, why did he create Satan? OK so maybe Satan was a mistake. It all got out of hand. If so why doesn’t God just destroy Satan? And all would be honky dory. Anyway how could this happen as God is all knowing? So he must have foreseen this? Also Satan seems to have worked out quite well, as he’s an effective recruiting and retention tool. You’re always warning us about Hell.
A question many ask – much like why did God allow Hitler to rise to power, etc. Like us, Satan (and all angels) was given free will. He chose to reject God’s authority and as a result fell. God indeed foresaw Satan’s rebellion, and eventually Satan will be judged, found guilty, and confined to the lake of fire. All Christ rejecters will suffer the same fate. Why God doesn’t intervene now is really a matter of maximising those that will come to Him by free will. In a sense Satan is a recruiting tool, along with the evil that resides in the heart of fallen man. Kind of an evil partnership where man essentially enters into a contract with Satan.
Bottom line: man either sides with Satan (the default position), or acknowledges his sin, repents, receives Christ, and becomes a child of God (a similar position to Adam’s prefall state).
So yes, ‘evil’ sort of points to God’s goodness and love. Some either see the evil for what it is, and this draws them towards God. While others blame God for evil in the world (rather than Satan and sinful men), and use this as an excuse to reject God’s provision of salvation through Christ.
With regards to Satan and Hell, is God just winging it (making the best of a bad situation) or was it all part of the plan? If it wasn’t plan then can God really be all knowing?
While not perhaps God’s ideal plan, God’s foreknowledge can use Satan’s attempts to thwart His plan to His advantage. For instance, if you read the story of Job (I encourage you to) you can see that Satan had to ask God for permission for each and every test he put to Job. Job lost pretty much everything through Satan’s testing (children, wealth, health), but he came through it all and God blessed him twofold.. In the same way God sometimes ‘permits’ Satan to test individuals with the aim of bringing that person to Christ. Often this may be the only thing that will get through to a hard hearted, unrepentent sinner.
An example would be a Christian praying for a friend/relative to come to Christ. The person keeps rejecting God’s ’subtle’ promptings. Eventually God may cause that person to lose their health/wealth/relative so that they are brought to a place of rock bottom; where they no longer have any pride, and are prepared to come in repentance to Christ.
Do you ever think it’s like a sloppy movie script? One that hasn’t been thought through properly, but nonetheless needs to be bought together at the end. So it gets more and more incredible. Or something which started out as a simple idea (God made the world and us) and has been added to over the years, each time another question is asked. A hole is found so another patch is slapped on.
While God doesn’t ‘write the whole script’, He knows how the ‘movie’ ends. Perhaps a good analogy would be that God writes the plot outline, the majority of the script, and directs the ‘movie’. Other contributers are Satan (and his hosts) and fallen men with freewill. So while Satan and fallen men may ‘flavour’ the ‘movie’, they don’t alter the final outcome.
God knowing the choices each of us will make doesn’t remove our individual ability to make those choices. God will encourage each of us to come to Him, but ultimately the choice is still fully our own. And we bare entirley the consequences of rejecting God’s offer of salvation through Christ. This really is the danger of freewill; the ability to reject what we can never purchase for ourselves – free salvation.
Take the thing about Jesus paying for our future sins with his suffering on the cross. That’s just silly. Who was he paying? God? What kind of payment was it anyway, if Christ was really God? Or his son? Like inter-company pricing to transfer profits without attracting tax. How does a bit of suffering pay for my sins? It’s just a token payment at best. And why does a bit of suffering cancel out all future sin. Also why am I born with sin? Seems a bit unfair.
When Christ died on the cross He paid for the sins of ALL men through ALL of history. Simply put, if ALL men chose to come to Christ in repentance, then His death was sufficient payment to cover this. This includes the individual’s past, present and future sins. So even as a Christian, when I sin, and I do, then those sins are also covered by Christ’s death.
Yes, in a sense Christ the Son made the payment to God the Father on our (ALL men) behalf.
In simplistic terms; say you murdered someone, were convicted, charged, and sentenced to death. Not only that, but the person you murdered had a brother, and His father was the judge who had sentenced you. So you’re headed for the ‘gallows’. At the last minute the very judge who sentenced you makes you an offer. He explains that while you are guilty, there is someone else who is willing to die in your place. This person is none other than the brother of the one you murdered; the judges other son. All you have to do is acknowledge your guilt in true repentance, and accept the offer extended to you by the judge. If you accept the offer the judges other son dies in your place, and the judge adopts you into his family; you become his adopted son. If you reject his offer then you have to die yourself in accordance with the original sentencing.
In the above ’story’ the judge is God the Father, and the two brothers are both ‘played’ by Christ. Christ is the one ‘murdered’ by our sins. And Christ is also the brother who dies in our place to make restitution for our sins.
While some may think it unfair that we are (ALL) born with sin as Adam and Eve’s descendants; we also disqualify ourselves by committing sin personally. In a sense we fail on two counts. Christ’s death pays for both original (Adam and Eve’s) sin, and our personal sins.
Does any of this trouble you?
Not at all. I am extremely grateful that in coming to Christ, and accepting His payment on behalf of my sins, that I no longer have to suffer the consequences of my guilt
When you balance God’s love and justice with man having freewill to accept or reject salvation, then I really do see the perfect harmony of God’s judgement of his creatures. As I said before; we are all guilty by default, but God desires that all would come to Him in repentance that we might be free from the curse of spiritual death (in hell). The choice really is ours.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hi PhilU, did you hear the good news? Us hard working farmers just got a rather large pay rise, I’m sure that will make your day. I don’t think the DPB will be going up by 20% though, how sad, never mind.
Kris K, In simplistic terms; say you murdered someone, were convicted, charged, and sentenced to death. Not only that, but the person you murdered had a brother, and His father was the judge who had sentenced you. So you’re headed for the ‘gallows’. At the last minute the very judge who sentenced you makes you an offer. He explains that while you are guilty, there is someone else who is willing to die in your place. This person is none other than the brother of the one you murdered; the judges other son. All you have to do is acknowledge your guilt in true repentance, and accept the offer extended to you by the judge. If you accept the offer the judges other son dies in your place, and the judge adopts you into his family; you become his adopted son. If you reject his offer then you have to die yourself in accordance with the original sentencing.
So, if I murder your son, you will kill your other son to show you forgive me? And you call THIS morality? Christinity is the most fucked up religion of the lot.
Hi PhilU, did you hear the good news? Us hard working farmers just got a rather large pay rise, I’m sure that will make your day. I don’t think the DPB will be going up by 20% though, how sad, never mind.
I was going to suggest that you offer Phool a job so he can actually earn some of the money you already pay him as a hard working farmer. But then I thought, ‘Nah, Phool would only have negative impact on your productivity’. Plus magpies are known for ripping the eyes out of young lambs.
And as he refers to you as “bloody-hands-bob”, maybe that’s why Phool hates Christians so much (or is it just me)? If fool abhors the eating of meat, then Christ shedding His blood must be total anathema to him.
So, if I murder your son, you will kill your other son to show you forgive me?
Sadly, no. But then I’m not God.
If I caught you in the act of murdering my son I’d likely use whatever force necessary to prevent your further actions.
I’m not nearly as forgiving as the God I worship and serve.
Phool, you cretin, Hattie Hates-Men is one of the most hated wimmin in Britain. If she were taken out tomorrow, many millions would celebrate that hypocritical hag’s demise.
I should also mention that Gordo’s attempt to tax international capital flows was met with a universal “fuck off.”
and i am picking labour will go into the next election..
arguing progressive taxation-reform/tax credits..
as a means to level the playing field..a bit more..
And they will get absolutely crushed by the Conservatives.
No one wants to have even more of their wealth stolen from them by a corrupt and deeply unpopular government.
Of course, you wouldn’t understand, phool.
sunday did an item on one of the highest taxed/happiest/greenest countries ..denmark..
I’m aware the Marxist morons in charge of Shitday did that. I caught the first 10 seconds of the glorification of socialist Denmark before I changed the channel to Top Gear.
“..I’m aware the Marxist morons in charge of Shitday did that. I caught the first 10 seconds of the glorification of socialist Denmark before I changed the channel to Top Gear..”
still practising that willfull ignorance..eh..?
fact:..greenest country..
fact:high lvels of social/state support..
fact:..high quality healthcare..for all..
fact:..high levels of taxation..(focussed on top-end..)
The happiest country according to whom? A few thousand handpicked survey takers who can afford to take the survey because the people making the wealth are too busy doing other things?
Maybe you can get the hint and fuck off to Denmark.
Speaking of which, how productive was your day, phool?
And stop farting, you might not confuse it for the “winds of change” then.
Sad phool sad phool what yuh goin to do
Paula and Winz is a coming for you
How old is your sprog then phool?
If he is six my boy its a real job for you soon!
If you start being a bit more polite to Bob
He might give you a job on the farm
(all that fonterra payout to come—-civic service–employing the useless and —-unemployable etc etc)
But you will have to work bloody hard
Something you have no knowlege of
There is no room for a layabout on the farm
But as you don’t like blood on the hands
Seeing your a vegan Bob may get you to dig the garden
And grow the vegetables good healthy hard work
There might be a bit of fencing to be sorted
Good hard work for a man of skill like you
By the time you’ve done that
You will be too tired to squawk your crap to the world
None of whom of course gives a
Shit about the shit you spout
There is always the other option
Trainee manager at KFC
Should suit you well getting stuck in to the
Greasy grime with the other losers of society
But deep down knowing that with your qualifications
You are superior to them all and one day
You will rise above the lower classes and become a
Boss———————-O fuck—-that was a fuken bad dream
this is real bad shit man I’ll
have to stop smoking this crap.
Quardle ardle wardle doodle
phil the magpie dreamed
Oh, so a few thousand handpicked survey takers who can afford to take the survey because the people making the wealth are too busy doing other things. I was right then.
Hi dad, Alex says she’s having a god time going down south. I hope she’ll get on well with Kirsty when they finally meet, its been a long time in the planning.
Actually you are all pissing wind and Phill is in no danger what so ever form this Govt. Here is an analysis of their promises before the election and their actions subsequent to the election. If anything welfare is more entrenched than ever.
NATIONAL’S BROKEN PROMISES
Information obtained under the Official Information Act shows that the National government has failed to implement the welfare policy promises it made during the 2008 election campaign.
Welfare commentator Lindsay Mitchell said that she had been provided with information from the Ministry of Social Development which confirms that none of the promises laid out below has been implemented. The first column shows the promises and reasons for them, as detailed in National’s manifesto; the second column provides the information from the Ministry of Social Development confirming none of the promises has been actioned.
“National produced an 11-page benefits policy prior to the 2008 election and they have a mandate and responsibility to deliver. Probably the worst omission is a failure to introduce a part-time work test on the domestic purposes benefit. Australia introduced work-testing in 2006 and a report released by the Centre for Independent Studies last week shows that the number of Parenting Payment (Single) recipients has dropped by 21 percent. The report concludes the drop is due to a combination of movement off welfare and transfer to the unemployment benefit. By contrast, New Zealand’s DPB numbers have risen by 6 percent in the past year.”
“National also said it would ‘address growth in sickness and invalid numbers’ yet the total number has increased by a further 5 percent in this year alone.”
“To win votes on false promises is fraudulent. National promised an ‘unrelenting focus on work’ but, after almost a year in government, is not delivering for its voters . Even worse, it’s not delivering for people on benefits who need more carrot and stick to become self reliant.”
“The welfare bill is the government’s biggest at $19.4 billion a year or 30 percent of core expenditure. This is where National needs to be focussing its attention and honouring its promises.”
What National promised (a)/What National delivered(b)
1.(a) Re-naming ‘Personal Development and Employment Plans’ because, “It is not the government’s role to help people develop a plan for social activities.”1
(b) Please note that the Ministry has received no advice to discontinue PDEPs and no decisions have been made to change the name of these plans.2
2.(a) A requirement that the validity of a second medical certificate for a sickness benefit be reduced from 13 weeks to 4 because, “This will ensure more frequent assessments from the person’s doctor.”1
(b) If a person is unable to work and requires a Sickness Benefit for longer than four weeks they must return to their registered health professional and obtain a further medical certificate. A second or subsequent medical certificate can provide medical coverage for up to a maximum of 13 weeks.2
3.(a) Introduction of part-time work obligations for sickness and invalid beneficiaries assessed as being able to work because, “[However] there is no obligation for these people to do anything more than plan for their eventual return to work and talk to their case manager regularly.”1
(b) A recipient of a sickness Benefit or Invalid’s Benefit has no work test obligations, however they may be required to plan towards their future return to work.2
4.(a) Introduction of a more graduated system of sanctions for people who do not comply with work obligations because, “This step, or steps, will give Work and Income case managers more flexibility and additional tools to encourage beneficiaries to comply with their work obligations.”1
(b) Legislation relating to work test sanctions was introduced in 1998 and was most recently amended in 2007.2
5.(a) Raising the abatement-free earnings threshold from $80 a week to $100 because, “This will help to encourage work wherever possible.”1
(b) A person in receipt of a benefit can earn $80 gross per week before their benefit is abated.2
6.(a) Introduction of part-time work-testing on DPB recipients when their youngest child turns six because ,”There is clear evidence that work obligations are effective.”1
(b) Note clients receiving the Domestic Purposes Benefit cannot be pressured into taking up or accepting employment.3
FOOTNOTES:
1/ Direct quote from the National benefits policy backgrounder
2/ Direct quote from an OIA response
November 9th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres has ruled out investigating the email, saying Mr Harawira was exercising his freedom of opinion…… This was in today’s Herald.
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!! Even the race commissioner is a racist!!! The politics is extremely corrupt.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Laws Bad, Harawira Good.
Got it.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:22 am
The shooting in Texas seems to indicate that the US does not understand that Islamist extremism is their enemy- how did the man make Major?
November 9th, 2009 at 8:36 am
It’s worth listening to more of the story from de Bres:
November 9th, 2009 at 8:37 am
“how did the man make Major?”
Political correctness- the deceit that successfully cloaks so much left wing evil.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Red Kens gone. Now for Joris.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Grant Michael McKenna (719) Vote: 2 0 Says:
November 9th, 2009 at 8:22 am
The shooting in Texas seems to indicate that the US does not understand that Islamist extremism is their enemy- how did the man make Major?
Perhaps he did it by being good at his job? Perhaps there is a lot more to this story than the simple religious identification you seek. Perhaps he simply cracked after seeing so many mangled bodies and minds in the cause of …? What is the war about, again?
November 9th, 2009 at 8:58 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10608166
Tony Ryall’s just gone up a whole heap in my estimation.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:01 am
jackp @8:10am – yes true, but it also means that everyone is now free to call maoris “black motherfuckers who have been raping white women and stealing our property for hundreds of years”, without their risking being investigated by the Race Relations Commission.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:03 am
bb- he had bad performance reviews, so being good at his job isn’t the reason. When it comes to ’simple religious identification’, why have you conflated Islamists with Islam?
November 9th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I think GMM is correct, there is more to this story than we know and it will come out despite the MSM.
Islam and the imam he studied under won’t come out of it in a good light if the truth is told.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Should Rodney and Hone go . . . or this
“Almighty God, humbly acknowledging our need for Thy guidance in all things, and laying aside all private and personal interests, we beseech Thee to grant that we may conduct the affairs of this House and of our country to the glory of Thy holy name, the maintenance of true religion and justice, the honour of the Queen, and the public welfare, peace, and tranquillity of New Zealand, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.”
And is Joris de Bres serving the ‘public welfare, peace and tranquility of New Zealand’ or should he step down as well?
November 9th, 2009 at 9:19 am
A competition. Explain the purpose of the Race Relations Commissioner. In two sentences or less. Bonus point for a haiku.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:20 am
My entry: There is no purpose.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Dedicated to Joris de Bres
Intend you to say of another, other than good,
Perceived wisdom suggests it’s best that you should,
Withhold your views, until in the other man’s shoes,
You have walked a mile – then have your say!
Because now he’s left barefoot and you’re a mile away.
Hone Harawera should know that if it were not for the “white motherf___ers”
and “puritanical bullshit” he likely wouldn’t have shoes.
I think a haiku has only seventeen words, so this is disqualified – oh, well . . .
November 9th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Hone of course!
But never the prayer.
I’d rather that we only have people in parliament that both mean it when they say it and obey it’s sentiments.
Oops that kicks out 98% of them.
Hey why stop at parliament
November 9th, 2009 at 9:54 am
“how did the man make Major?”
Possibly as a medical officer he isn’t a “line officer”, he would have been assigned the rank as a doctor, not as a soldier or leader (think Frank Burns).
I heard that he’d tried to get out of the army some time ago when he felt a conflict between his religion and duties developing, along with problems of abuse from soldiers because of his religion. So it was probably a disaster waiting to happen, it’s sad that it panned out how it did.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Read this earlier about him having mandatory counseling for his behaviour?
“How did Nidal Malik Hasan rise to the rank of major in the U.S. Army with his background? I’m not talking about his Muslim faith. I’m talking about his troubled history – the disciplinary record of inappropriate proselytizing, the extremist Internet postings, the statements to comrades about American foreign policy, the mandatory counseling he had to receive because of his behavior. How could he ever have been placed in such a position of authority?”
also at the Long war on FBI looking at him
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2009/11/muslim_army_major_be.php
November 9th, 2009 at 10:00 am
race relations com
mission impossible but
we pay them anyway
…
if commissions were
useful N Z would be top
of OECD
November 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am
More on the Major
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/5516891/jihadi-denial-syndrome-reaches-epidemic-proportions.thtml
November 9th, 2009 at 10:11 am
“Perhaps there is a lot more to this story than the simple religious identification you seek.”
He was yelling allah akbar is your first clue sherlock.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Hone is a throwback. He is clearly frustrated with conventional politics, and the accommodation reached between the Maori party and the Nats. Every parliamentary session throws up somebody who cannot abide the system or feels emasculated by it; Hone is one of these. He is more comfortable with the angry protests, the outrageous rhetoric, and the sycophantic groupies, that are now of the past. I do not expect him to stay in Parliament.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Hone is not a throwback, the reall issue for the Maori Party is that hes blown their cover. Sharples and Turia have leanered to moderate their language, he hasn’t.
You’ll note they intend to keep him on and he has already said he does not think theres anything worg with WHAT he said, just HOW he said it.
Don’t say you weren’t warned.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am
On another note perhaps Mr Mises had an idea of our structural problems apart from funding flower arranging classes.
“Mises’s solution follows logically from his warnings. You can’t fix what’s broken by breaking it yet again. Stop the credit gavage. Stop inflating. Don’t encourage consumption, but rather encourage saving and the repayment of debt. Let all the lame businesses fail—no bailouts. (You see where I’m going with this.) The distortions must be removed or else the precipice from which the system will inevitably fall will simply grow higher and higher.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574443600711779692.html
http://www.newsweek.com/id/220163
http://www.newsweek.com/id/221563
Maybe Rodney’s onto the right thing with curtailing local govt debt.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:28 am
“The commission (Race relations) received more than 20 complaints about the (Harawira) email but said yesterday Mr Harawira’s language did not breach the Human Rights Act.”
Well what does????
November 9th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Whenever I hear people shouting Allah akbar I see those vids of poor bastards getting their heads cut off. To me that phrase is the same as Seig Heil.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I see Kevin Rudd is wanting “to be totally blunt about the agenda of the climate change skeptics in all their colours – some more sophisticated than others”.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/the-pms-address-to-the-lowy-institute/story-e6frg6nf-1225795141519
Climate depot has a point by point rebuttal.
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/3689/Australian-PM-Rudd-warns-skeptics-are-too-dangerous-to-ignore-and-are-holding-the-world-to-ransom–Climate-Depot-Responds
November 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Thanks for the links Mike.
I see nothing in them that refutes the points I’m making. He felt a conflict between his religion at his duty as a US soldier, his (out spoken) beliefs were turning him against his fellow soldiers and the army wasn’t letting him out, I suspect for two reasons; his superiors, who didn’t like him, they were happy to punish him by keeping him there, and the army is very short of psychiatrists. Obviously there are other ways that he could have resolved this conflict that would have been preferable, suicide or desertion, but he was so twisted up that he took the vengeful martyr option.
Obviously the army was very much aware of his problems, and didn’t act to resolve them as it should have, and those problems were obviously affecting his ability to do his job. Do you have a better explaination for why the army didn’t address the issue in a proactive way?
November 9th, 2009 at 11:20 am
“..Whenever I hear people shouting Allah akbar ..”
what is the difference between that..
and with a priest blessing a bomber about to go and drop it’s load on civilians..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 11:22 am
AGW
Thought some of you would like to read Monkcton’s monthly report for July.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/co2_report_july_09.pdf
November 9th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Andrew W
I do not know why the USArmy didn’t sort him earlier and suspect that like all bureaucracies it may have been a time issue alongside PC claptrap and or regulations.
One issue may have been did he normally carry firearms and was that viewed as lessened the risk?
As a psychiatrist I don’t think he did as a normal course of duty.
That the FBI were looking at him and who in his hierarchy knew and didn’t suspend him I don’t know.
Frankly I don’t think any organisation nowadays would think they can send Muslims to do military duties in Muslim led countries without doing vetting big time, and if that didn’t happen here, what does it point to? organisation failure perhaps?
The reality is the US forces are stretched, which may partly explain this.
In fact some reports state that the long term viability of the force and US society is being damaged as the “war perse is not being viewed as WWII was” it is disconnected from mainstream.
Though not in the country towns who are bearing the brunt of casualties and especially disabled ex servicemen and women I might add.
The time off of deployment is being massaged down by the Generals due to numbers and needs which is putting pressure on communities and businesess.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am
David Farrar has been on holiday for four days thus far. 17 posts from DPF, two from guest bloggers. So much for going cold turkey!
November 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Possibly a major factor. If they removed all those who expressed concerns about going to Iraq or Afghanistan they might end up with a recruitment crisis. I think they had already relaxed enrollment criteria to get enough numbers of (mugs) people willing to go.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Having spoken to a lot of WWII bomber crews Phil, I have yet to meet one who enjoyed doing what they did. Thos jihadis going allah akbar are cumming in their pants with glee as they cut the head off a bound man with a kitchen knife. If you can’t see the difference you are more fucked up than I thought you were.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:43 am
“God is great”?
November 9th, 2009 at 11:43 am
This open letter from Conor Friedersdorf to Jonah Goldberg is interesting.
I’m writing this letter as a fan – I’ve tremendous respect for the pioneering work you did at National Review Online, your attempts to inject humor into political writing, and the enjoyable debates you’ve done with Peter Beinart. But I’m also a friendly critic, here to challenge your take on the current state of the GOP, the conservative movement, and the country. Perhaps I can persuade you that certain of your positions are wrongly held, though I’d be as satisfied were I moved by counterarguments.
It is actually surprising that the gulf separating our attitudes is so deep. As a native of Orange County, California, the people I most respect in this world – my parents and two sets of grandparents – are all self-described conservative Republicans. My involvement in politics began in response to what I regarded as grave flaws in leftist campus politics at Pomona College, and the dubious actions of Democrats during the Gray Davis era in California, when I witnessed giveaways to public employee unions that were arguably the most fiscally irresponsible measures in state history. The political writers I’ve read whose work most resonates are Burke, Hayek, and Milton Friedman. The bulk of President Obama’s domestic agenda strikes me as ill conceived at best—I worry about the unabated growth of the federal government, America’s perilous fiscal situation, and an approach to governance that relies on the enduring wisdom of elected and appointed officials.
But try as I might, I cannot muster any enthusiasm for the Republican Party, I am profoundly disillusioned by the state of the conservative movement, and though my background and political beliefs ought to make me a lock for GOP presidential candidates – were they running, I’d certainly prefer Ford, Reagan, George Bush Sr. or Bob Dole to a second Obama term – I am a solidly undecided voter as 2012 approaches.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Pete
You are partly correct.
They already have recruitment issues in some areas which is being exacerbated by the increases in fatalities and disabled servicemen/women as units often draw geographically as it helps unit cohesion.
This is compounded with some units attracting the lessor qualified so their options in rehab are harder than those with trade and professional qualifications.
Questions are being asked of the Generals sending units to other theaters without the preferred family and retraining before redeployment.
Many units are National Guard too which has an impact on Business so the discussion is growing.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am
then of course..there is that christian guy currently on trial for killing thousands of muslim men/women/children..
eh..?
stop pretending religous evil is one-sided..
and stop using religous-outrage to cloak/’justify’ your deep racism..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Seig Heil just means Hail Victory. Hardly offensive or emotionally charged if you translate it into English. It is the context. Just the same as jihadis who say God is great before every one of their murderous acts makes that particular exultation offensive to me.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Joe
Like here Dem/GOP seen as similar to some rather like National being seen as Laboutlite?
November 9th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Remind what race Islam is again Phil?
November 9th, 2009 at 11:55 am
“..It is the context…”
indeed smaller..!
as in blessing airplanes full of bombs..heading for civilian centres…
how is blessing such a vehicle of death..appropriate in any way..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 11:57 am
so..are you trying to tell us you are not a racist..?..smaller..?
really..?.
.getouttahere..!
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Remind what race Islam is again Phil?
It’s predominantly darkie isn’t it?
Foaming at the mouth, scimitar in hand, chasing innocent americans across the sand as they dare to liberate the holy lands…….
November 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Dear Agony Aunt, Is this normal – I have developed a habit of everytime I see Phillip Urine’s name attached to anything I add a thumbs down to it, this has become a conditioned reflex, is this personal or is it because I have a deep seated phobia about dopesmoking, bludging, self opinionated, lazy, pimples on the bum of humanity
Thanks for your help
November 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Well, that’s silly. You clearly just haven’t attended enough births and weddings and stuff where Allahu Akbar is being shouted for nice, friendly reasons.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
whore you fucktard..go back to bed with your gerbils..it was peaceful here ’til you waddled in…
November 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Brian Smaller writes “Whenever I hear people shouting Allah akbar I see those vids of poor bastards getting their heads cut off”
I wouldn’t go that far, but we should give our own ” Trougher” Rodney Hide a taste of justice!. What about putting Hide in the stocks in town and using the bum as a human target for rotten fruit & Veg and what ever else you see fit to throw at him??
Of course the ACT Party could have their own Private “Trougher in the Stocks” campaign. Send Hide around the country and make a charge for the public to have some fun. $45.00 for say 3 rotten to the core apples? The holiday fund would be paid off in no time
November 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Cadmus
So what would you do to the Labour Greens over the EFB?
November 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Hone is a revolutionary.
The problem is that being in Parliament makes him part of the system, the same system he is wired to fight against, so he’s self destructing.
There will be more to come and i reckon it’s gonna be fun to watch!
November 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Something to read before Copenhagen
http://www.climatechangereconsidered.org/
November 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
What a piece of human garbage Graham Burton is.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3045247/Inmate-stabbed-through-heart-court-hears
Wish some gangster would make a name for himself and top this piece of crap off.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
scanner- I usually don’t slow down my scrolling through the Phool’s message long enough to assign a negative karma.
Phool is basically irrelevant. Starve him of attention and he leaves you alone.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
When a prist kicks in the door of his local school and yells deus vult before spraying gun fire about let me know phool.
Yer gigantic fuckwit.
Good to see the criminal underclass and permenant parasites support terrorism as always. Good to know what side you’re on. It must really suck to have scum like you as your support base.
November 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Regarding the entertainer given name suppression for sexual assault on a 16 year old girl; it’s pretty easy to find out who it is on the internet.
I”m amazed he was not convicted. It sounded a fairly serious assault to me.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Cadmus ???? Is this the same Cadmus that worshiped at feet of Winnie the poodle?
November 9th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Murray (3839) Vote: 1 0 Says:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
When a prist kicks in the door of his local school and yells deus vult before spraying gun fire about let me know phool.
And what do you say about the priest who recites the rosary while buggering young boys?
Or the nuns who sang Adeste Fidelis while preparing young girls for the priests’s beds?
Yer gigantic fuckwit.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
The way these General Debate threads wander about I was not sure if you were you talking about phil or Burton?
November 9th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Is that where Hone & Rodney are off to next?
November 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I’m amazed at how many comments on the internet amount to, “She was probably asking for it.”
November 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I finally figured out why philu loves Islamic extremists and Islam so much and spends so much effort defending them. He heard that under Sharia Law you can get stoned to death. I fear he may have the wrong end of that doobie.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Its a win win Brian.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
“And what do you say about the priest who recites the rosary while buggering young boys?”
Where the hell did you get THAT from? Shit projection much?
You gigantically fucked up head case.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Thomas Cook CEO Manny Fontela said Turkey should take important steps to keep up with its rivals in the tourism sector.
Source: Turkey Daily News
David Farrar is currently in Turkey on holiday.
Coincidence?
November 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Murray – there is probably a video on You Tube. As opposed to the zero vids on the web showing Islamists allah-akbaring while committing murder. In fact the evidence is so slim on that front I think any accusations of Islamic extremism must in fact, be made up.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Does anyone else think it is more than mildly amusing that Hone’s mum came out swinging in defence of her poor, much maligned little Hone?
Talk about a mummy’s boy!
If he can’t stand up for himself he has no place in the running of our country. Perhaps they should introduce yoof rates as part of the parliamentary salary scale.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
I would have thought a 90 day trial period would be better. Seriously though – I like the idea of recall elections.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Of course if Hone apologises now it will make a dishonest man of him as well as a racist. I think this is roughly what Dover Samuels was suggesting on Radio Live not too long ago.
And if Phil Goff, in his position, says Harawera is racist, perhaps de Bres really needs to spell out exactly why he thinks Hone is not, so that people of Goff’s position can be better informed.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Most amusing, but not at all surprising.
Careful what you say, she could take out the Tuaman, you don’t want to piss her off.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
From the story that was reported, it would seem that’s exactly what he thought too. While I’m quite sure she wasn’t, I do wonder what she thought she was getting into asking for a kiss, then going down a dark alley with the guy. If that’s what happened (as in, if the initial report I read is how it went er, down)..
November 9th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Not really surprising to anyone with a half decent sense of history
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8349745.stm
November 9th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Yeah llew, I know she made Helen Clark cry which I’d imagine would take some doing.
Seriously tho’ I actually read it more as a shot across the bows of Pita and Tariana quite clearly spelling out that nobody messes with Nga Puhi and that they run the show. Sort of explains the softly softly approach of the Maori Party and Hone’s arrogance – he sees himself as bulletproof. You know … much like an 18 year old who’s risk centres have yet to develop.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Sure, possibly. We don’t know. But I haven’t seen many comments that reserve judgement on the matter. One said something like, “She was probably dressed like she was 21,” which presumably means that 21-year-old women can wish for nothing better than to have a man unzip his fly down an alleyway.
The sanest response is, as usual, to reserve judgement where we don’t have all the facts.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I expect you’re right.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Just spotted this.
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6444967/clark-does-not-miss-being-pm/
Aunty isn’t missing us.
Guess what. WE DON’T MISS YOU EITHER!!!
November 9th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Did I read somewhere this was around 3am? I’d have expected most out at that time to be legal adults.
And surely, having asked a drunken entertainer to accompany her & a friend down a dark alley to give them a kiss, it’s not so much what she might have wished for, but what on earth might she have expected?
No, we don’t have all the facts, but what we have heard reflects badly on the women and the entertainer in question.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
time for the greedy/rich to get nervous..
http://whoar.co.nz/2009/pressure-builds-for-radical-reform-of-tax-system-to-tackle-wealth-inequality/
November 9th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Some of the available sketchy facts – the female complainant was not one of then two who initially accompanied the “entertainer” down the alley for a “kiss”.
So the man has accepted what he did was wrong, and he doesn’t seem to have claimed the complainant “asked for it”. Although I thought at one stage he also said he was so drunk he couldn’t remember it either, but I suspect that is sometimes used as a convenient excuse not to answer questions.
November 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Funny, Ryan Sproull, that you, of all people, should say that we need to reserve judgement until we have all the facts.
Were you not one of the editors of Craccum who published my leaked rude email without trying to find out about the full circumstances of the case (including the emails before and after the rude one, as well as the fact that the student’s extension request was never substantiated, nor did she ever make a formal written complaint to anyone, or that the leak was in fact orchestrated by pro-Palestinian activists with an ax to grind with me about my supposed pro-Israeli beliefs)? And were you not one of those who, in comments threads here on the subject of my dismissal, who repeated the lie that I must have done something else in order to get dismissed (a claim refuted by the ERA)? What I do recall is that you and others involved in disseminating the email went very quiet once the dismissal was ruled to be unjustified.
Since you did not have too much concern about the facts then, and were not man enough to admit that you insinuations were false once the truth began to come out, what makes you so pious all of a sudden?
November 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
malcolm [November 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am],
No worries.
I’m a day late responding as well – hope you see this. As you will no doubt understand Sundays are a full day for me: am and pm church services; our monthly church lunch, and round to friends for a cuppa after the lunch. I didn’t even get online yesterday at all.
I wouldn’t necessarily go so far as to say ‘unwittingly’; I believe many Muslims are willing participants, but yes, there is a degree of satanic deception. It is worth googling for the testimonies of Muslims who have converted to Christianity – they express the satanic nature of Islam from a first hand perspective having lived through the process. And yes, God desires that all would come to Him in repentance through Christ’s sacrifical payment on the cross.
A question many ask – much like why did God allow Hitler to rise to power, etc. Like us, Satan (and all angels) was given free will. He chose to reject God’s authority and as a result fell. God indeed foresaw Satan’s rebellion, and eventually Satan will be judged, found guilty, and confined to the lake of fire. All Christ rejecters will suffer the same fate. Why God doesn’t intervene now is really a matter of maximising those that will come to Him by free will. In a sense Satan is a recruiting tool, along with the evil that resides in the heart of fallen man. Kind of an evil partnership where man essentially enters into a contract with Satan.
Bottom line: man either sides with Satan (the default position), or acknowledges his sin, repents, receives Christ, and becomes a child of God (a similar position to Adam’s prefall state).
So yes, ‘evil’ sort of points to God’s goodness and love. Some either see the evil for what it is, and this draws them towards God. While others blame God for evil in the world (rather than Satan and sinful men), and use this as an excuse to reject God’s provision of salvation through Christ.
While not perhaps God’s ideal plan, God’s foreknowledge can use Satan’s attempts to thwart His plan to His advantage. For instance, if you read the story of Job (I encourage you to) you can see that Satan had to ask God for permission for each and every test he put to Job. Job lost pretty much everything through Satan’s testing (children, wealth, health), but he came through it all and God blessed him twofold.. In the same way God sometimes ‘permits’ Satan to test individuals with the aim of bringing that person to Christ. Often this may be the only thing that will get through to a hard hearted, unrepentent sinner.
An example would be a Christian praying for a friend/relative to come to Christ. The person keeps rejecting God’s ’subtle’ promptings. Eventually God may cause that person to lose their health/wealth/relative so that they are brought to a place of rock bottom; where they no longer have any pride, and are prepared to come in repentance to Christ.
While God doesn’t ‘write the whole script’, He knows how the ‘movie’ ends. Perhaps a good analogy would be that God writes the plot outline, the majority of the script, and directs the ‘movie’. Other contributers are Satan (and his hosts) and fallen men with freewill. So while Satan and fallen men may ‘flavour’ the ‘movie’, they don’t alter the final outcome.
God knowing the choices each of us will make doesn’t remove our individual ability to make those choices. God will encourage each of us to come to Him, but ultimately the choice is still fully our own. And we bare entirley the consequences of rejecting God’s offer of salvation through Christ. This really is the danger of freewill; the ability to reject what we can never purchase for ourselves – free salvation.
When Christ died on the cross He paid for the sins of ALL men through ALL of history. Simply put, if ALL men chose to come to Christ in repentance, then His death was sufficient payment to cover this. This includes the individual’s past, present and future sins. So even as a Christian, when I sin, and I do, then those sins are also covered by Christ’s death.
Yes, in a sense Christ the Son made the payment to God the Father on our (ALL men) behalf.
In simplistic terms; say you murdered someone, were convicted, charged, and sentenced to death. Not only that, but the person you murdered had a brother, and His father was the judge who had sentenced you. So you’re headed for the ‘gallows’. At the last minute the very judge who sentenced you makes you an offer. He explains that while you are guilty, there is someone else who is willing to die in your place. This person is none other than the brother of the one you murdered; the judges other son. All you have to do is acknowledge your guilt in true repentance, and accept the offer extended to you by the judge. If you accept the offer the judges other son dies in your place, and the judge adopts you into his family; you become his adopted son. If you reject his offer then you have to die yourself in accordance with the original sentencing.
In the above ’story’ the judge is God the Father, and the two brothers are both ‘played’ by Christ. Christ is the one ‘murdered’ by our sins. And Christ is also the brother who dies in our place to make restitution for our sins.
While some may think it unfair that we are (ALL) born with sin as Adam and Eve’s descendants; we also disqualify ourselves by committing sin personally. In a sense we fail on two counts. Christ’s death pays for both original (Adam and Eve’s) sin, and our personal sins.
Not at all. I am extremely grateful that in coming to Christ, and accepting His payment on behalf of my sins, that I no longer have to suffer the consequences of my guilt
When you balance God’s love and justice with man having freewill to accept or reject salvation, then I really do see the perfect harmony of God’s judgement of his creatures. As I said before; we are all guilty by default, but God desires that all would come to Him in repentance that we might be free from the curse of spiritual death (in hell). The choice really is ours.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
look..!
it’s the ‘i’ve got a special friend in the sky’..
..guy..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Hi PhilU, did you hear the good news? Us hard working farmers just got a rather large pay rise, I’m sure that will make your day. I don’t think the DPB will be going up by 20% though, how sad, never mind.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
look..!
it’s the bloody-hands-bob..
..guy..
(he makes his money..from being cruel to animals..
and screwing up our environment/waterways..
and from pushing cancer-causing animal meat/fat..
didn’tyaknow..?
(he likes to skite about it..
i know..!..sick fucka..!
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Look!
It’s a Phool
Quarle oodle ardle waddle doodle
November 9th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
look..!
it’s a mono-syllabilic troll..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
=)
November 9th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
How apt Kris K talks about God and how we can save ourselves and Philu puts up comment 6666, about says it all really.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Kris K, In simplistic terms; say you murdered someone, were convicted, charged, and sentenced to death. Not only that, but the person you murdered had a brother, and His father was the judge who had sentenced you. So you’re headed for the ‘gallows’. At the last minute the very judge who sentenced you makes you an offer. He explains that while you are guilty, there is someone else who is willing to die in your place. This person is none other than the brother of the one you murdered; the judges other son. All you have to do is acknowledge your guilt in true repentance, and accept the offer extended to you by the judge. If you accept the offer the judges other son dies in your place, and the judge adopts you into his family; you become his adopted son. If you reject his offer then you have to die yourself in accordance with the original sentencing.
So, if I murder your son, you will kill your other son to show you forgive me? And you call THIS morality? Christinity is the most fucked up religion of the lot.
November 9th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Someone want to tell me how disagreeing with gay marraige at a beauty contest makes you a family values campaigner? It’s like calling me a fiscal conservatism campaigner because I didn’t buy a magazine that doubled in price for no discernable reason. Which actually happened, might I add.
Or maybe it’s just the felcher of a World editor being a total moron, as per usual?
November 9th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
side show bob 5:17 pm,
I was going to suggest that you offer Phool a job so he can actually earn some of the money you already pay him as a hard working farmer. But then I thought, ‘Nah, Phool would only have negative impact on your productivity’. Plus magpies are known for ripping the eyes out of young lambs.
And as he refers to you as “bloody-hands-bob”, maybe that’s why Phool hates Christians so much (or is it just me)? If fool abhors the eating of meat, then Christ shedding His blood must be total anathema to him.
November 9th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
billyborker 5:47 pm,
Sadly, no. But then I’m not God.
If I caught you in the act of murdering my son I’d likely use whatever force necessary to prevent your further actions.
I’m not nearly as forgiving as the God I worship and serve.
November 9th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
i don’t ‘hate’ christians..
i do have the utmost disdain/contempt for people like you using christianity to justify the evil of racism..tho’..
and using christianity to (somehow) justify their/your vile/greed-driven rightwing politics..
and of course..he ’shed his blood’..’for you’..eh..?
(not very egocentric of you there..eh..?..kkk…?..)
here’a thought..!
why not keep your ‘i’ve got a special friend in the sky’ delusion..
..to yourself..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Phool, you cretin, thanks for fucking up the GD with your moronic moral equivilency and general knuckledraggery.
Bush did 9/11! Right?
..eh..?..
November 9th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
November 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Phool, you cretin, Hattie Hates-Men is one of the most hated wimmin in Britain. If she were taken out tomorrow, many millions would celebrate that hypocritical hag’s demise.
I should also mention that Gordo’s attempt to tax international capital flows was met with a universal “fuck off.”
Score one for the aspirationists!
..eh?..
November 9th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
this is the start of a debate on economic inequalities..
and i am picking labour will go into the next election..
arguing progressive taxation-reform/tax credits..
as a means to level the playing field..a bit more..
there must now be a focus on closing the chasm between the haves..and the have-nots..
more equal societies are the happiest societies..
and this is a lesson we are slowly learning..
(sunday did an item on one of the highest taxed/happiest/greenest countries ..denmark..
(350 km of dedicated cycleways in copenhagen..)
we have a lot of lessons to learn from them..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
And they will get absolutely crushed by the Conservatives.
No one wants to have even more of their wealth stolen from them by a corrupt and deeply unpopular government.
Of course, you wouldn’t understand, phool.
I’m aware the Marxist morons in charge of Shitday did that. I caught the first 10 seconds of the glorification of socialist Denmark before I changed the channel to Top Gear.
November 9th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
“..I’m aware the Marxist morons in charge of Shitday did that. I caught the first 10 seconds of the glorification of socialist Denmark before I changed the channel to Top Gear..”
still practising that willfull ignorance..eh..?
fact:..greenest country..
fact:high lvels of social/state support..
fact:..high quality healthcare..for all..
fact:..high levels of taxation..(focussed on top-end..)
fact:..’the happiest country’..
whereas here..?..
in our low-wage/inequitable society/economy..?
just ‘more of the same’..eh..?
i don’t think so..eh..?
the winds of change are blowing..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
The happiest country according to whom? A few thousand handpicked survey takers who can afford to take the survey because the people making the wealth are too busy doing other things?
Maybe you can get the hint and fuck off to Denmark.
Speaking of which, how productive was your day, phool?
And stop farting, you might not confuse it for the “winds of change” then.
November 9th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
“..The happiest country according to whom?..”
this is from the oecd rankings…
(and is part of a pattern..)
“..Speaking of which, how productive was your day, phool?..”
not bad..eh..?
here is the evidence:..
http://www.whoar.co.nz/
how productive was yours..?
any evidence..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Apparently you don’t have to eat your dog to save the planet.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
This is what will happen to Phool hopefully:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keMsWyj7kcI
November 9th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Be kind to him God Botherers
November 9th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Sad phool sad phool what yuh goin to do
Paula and Winz is a coming for you
How old is your sprog then phool?
If he is six my boy its a real job for you soon!
If you start being a bit more polite to Bob
He might give you a job on the farm
(all that fonterra payout to come—-civic service–employing the useless and —-unemployable etc etc)
But you will have to work bloody hard
Something you have no knowlege of
There is no room for a layabout on the farm
But as you don’t like blood on the hands
Seeing your a vegan Bob may get you to dig the garden
And grow the vegetables good healthy hard work
There might be a bit of fencing to be sorted
Good hard work for a man of skill like you
By the time you’ve done that
You will be too tired to squawk your crap to the world
None of whom of course gives a
Shit about the shit you spout
There is always the other option
Trainee manager at KFC
Should suit you well getting stuck in to the
Greasy grime with the other losers of society
But deep down knowing that with your qualifications
You are superior to them all and one day
You will rise above the lower classes and become a
Boss———————-O fuck—-that was a fuken bad dream
this is real bad shit man I’ll
have to stop smoking this crap.
Quardle ardle wardle doodle
phil the magpie dreamed
November 9th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Oh, so a few thousand handpicked survey takers who can afford to take the survey because the people making the wealth are too busy doing other things. I was right then.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Johnboy@8.08
Geeze it’s a pity no sound, lyrics have class lol!!!
November 9th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Steve said
to which Philu replied
Philu – Quardle oodle ardle waddle doodle all have two syllables.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Hurf D – Dont give Phool the satisfaction of even reading is utter shit he types, it feeds is pathetic mind.
He is the first living brain donor, we cannot forget that.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Don’t tell him that, he will repeat repeat himself
November 9th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
True Steve I’ve just finished composing the soundtrack now (with a lot of help from Pete Wadams) a bit of a balls up but I hope you like it.
http://www.nzbirds.com/birds/sound/magpiewb.wav
(That was Helen doing the intro)
November 9th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
knock knock
who’s there?
haula benifit
k, come in.
Its Paula Bennett you fucking moron
November 9th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Johnboy@8.28
Phool can translate it huh?
November 9th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
yes..but you didn’ t write those two-syllable words…did you..?
phil(whoar.co.nz),
November 9th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Quardle oodle ardle wadle McDoodle
November 9th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Someone call an exterminator. We have another infestation of Vermini Philus Urea.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
…just another evening of Phool-baiting ISeeRed.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
What’s black, brown and would look good on phool?
A Doberman.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Spray the place with phool insecticide before we all catch Lickspittleittis.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
no..you aren’t ‘baiting’ me..
you are just making yourselves look like the total dicks you are..
that’s all you can ever say/do..
ain’t that ‘kinda sad’..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 9th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Hi dad, Alex says she’s having a god time going down south. I hope she’ll get on well with Kirsty when they finally meet, its been a long time in the planning.
November 9th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Nasty stuff fugley.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Your last comment on kiwiblog about my daughter has been forwarded to Christchurch Police.
I suspect they’re a little tired of you by now.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
“hwello, powice? My name is petie and someone was nasty to me on the interweb”.
boo fucking hoo! Grow some balls, girly boy.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
The left are a twisted bunch of creeps.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Despite my libertarian tendencies, the existence of philu makes a very strong case against drug legalisation.
November 9th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Actually you are all pissing wind and Phill is in no danger what so ever form this Govt. Here is an analysis of their promises before the election and their actions subsequent to the election. If anything welfare is more entrenched than ever.
NATIONAL’S BROKEN PROMISES
Information obtained under the Official Information Act shows that the National government has failed to implement the welfare policy promises it made during the 2008 election campaign.
Welfare commentator Lindsay Mitchell said that she had been provided with information from the Ministry of Social Development which confirms that none of the promises laid out below has been implemented. The first column shows the promises and reasons for them, as detailed in National’s manifesto; the second column provides the information from the Ministry of Social Development confirming none of the promises has been actioned.
“National produced an 11-page benefits policy prior to the 2008 election and they have a mandate and responsibility to deliver. Probably the worst omission is a failure to introduce a part-time work test on the domestic purposes benefit. Australia introduced work-testing in 2006 and a report released by the Centre for Independent Studies last week shows that the number of Parenting Payment (Single) recipients has dropped by 21 percent. The report concludes the drop is due to a combination of movement off welfare and transfer to the unemployment benefit. By contrast, New Zealand’s DPB numbers have risen by 6 percent in the past year.”
“National also said it would ‘address growth in sickness and invalid numbers’ yet the total number has increased by a further 5 percent in this year alone.”
“To win votes on false promises is fraudulent. National promised an ‘unrelenting focus on work’ but, after almost a year in government, is not delivering for its voters . Even worse, it’s not delivering for people on benefits who need more carrot and stick to become self reliant.”
“The welfare bill is the government’s biggest at $19.4 billion a year or 30 percent of core expenditure. This is where National needs to be focussing its attention and honouring its promises.”
What National promised (a)/What National delivered(b)
1.(a) Re-naming ‘Personal Development and Employment Plans’ because, “It is not the government’s role to help people develop a plan for social activities.”1
(b) Please note that the Ministry has received no advice to discontinue PDEPs and no decisions have been made to change the name of these plans.2
2.(a) A requirement that the validity of a second medical certificate for a sickness benefit be reduced from 13 weeks to 4 because, “This will ensure more frequent assessments from the person’s doctor.”1
(b) If a person is unable to work and requires a Sickness Benefit for longer than four weeks they must return to their registered health professional and obtain a further medical certificate. A second or subsequent medical certificate can provide medical coverage for up to a maximum of 13 weeks.2
3.(a) Introduction of part-time work obligations for sickness and invalid beneficiaries assessed as being able to work because, “[However] there is no obligation for these people to do anything more than plan for their eventual return to work and talk to their case manager regularly.”1
(b) A recipient of a sickness Benefit or Invalid’s Benefit has no work test obligations, however they may be required to plan towards their future return to work.2
4.(a) Introduction of a more graduated system of sanctions for people who do not comply with work obligations because, “This step, or steps, will give Work and Income case managers more flexibility and additional tools to encourage beneficiaries to comply with their work obligations.”1
(b) Legislation relating to work test sanctions was introduced in 1998 and was most recently amended in 2007.2
5.(a) Raising the abatement-free earnings threshold from $80 a week to $100 because, “This will help to encourage work wherever possible.”1
(b) A person in receipt of a benefit can earn $80 gross per week before their benefit is abated.2
6.(a) Introduction of part-time work-testing on DPB recipients when their youngest child turns six because ,”There is clear evidence that work obligations are effective.”1
(b) Note clients receiving the Domestic Purposes Benefit cannot be pressured into taking up or accepting employment.3
FOOTNOTES:
1/ Direct quote from the National benefits policy backgrounder
2/ Direct quote from an OIA response
http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=641&p=25882#p25882
November 9th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
heh..!..i like the bird calls..
phil(whoar.co.nz
November 9th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Razork (286) Vote: 9 0 Says:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
What a piece of human garbage Graham Burton is.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3045247/Inmate-stabbed-through-heart-court-hears
Wish some gangster would make a name for himself and top this piece of crap off.
Little Raz
Burton attacked a gang leader in Jail.
What is the problem here ?
I say pay the guy $1000 for each gang member he knocks off, let him go for it.