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		<title>By: Dirty Rat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629861</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirty Rat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razork (286) Vote:  9   0   Says: 

November 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm 
What a piece of human garbage Graham Burton is.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3045247/Inmate-stabbed-through-heart-court-hears

Wish some gangster would make a name for himself and top this piece of crap off.




Little Raz

Burton attacked a gang leader in Jail.

What is the problem here ?

I say pay the guy $1000 for each gang member he knocks off, let him go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razork (286) Vote:  9   0   Says: </p>
<p>November 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm<br />
What a piece of human garbage Graham Burton is.<br />
<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3045247/Inmate-stabbed-through-heart-court-hears" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3045247/Inmate-stabbed-through-heart-court-hears</a></p>
<p>Wish some gangster would make a name for himself and top this piece of crap off.</p>
<p>Little Raz</p>
<p>Burton attacked a gang leader in Jail.</p>
<p>What is the problem here ?</p>
<p>I say pay the guy $1000 for each gang member he knocks off, let him go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
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		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh..!..i like the bird calls..

phil(whoar.co.nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh..!..i like the bird calls..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz</p>
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		<title>By: Viking2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629851</link>
		<dc:creator>Viking2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually you are all pissing wind and Phill is in no danger what so ever form this Govt. Here is an analysis of their promises before the election and their actions subsequent to the election. If anything welfare is more entrenched than ever. 

NATIONAL&#039;S BROKEN PROMISES

Information obtained under the Official Information Act shows that the National government has failed to implement the welfare policy promises it made during the 2008 election campaign.

Welfare commentator Lindsay Mitchell said that she had been provided with information from the Ministry of Social Development which confirms that none of the promises laid out below has been implemented. The first column shows the promises and reasons for them, as detailed in National&#039;s manifesto; the second column provides the information from the Ministry of Social Development confirming none of the promises has been actioned.

&quot;National produced an 11-page benefits policy prior to the 2008 election and they have a mandate and responsibility to deliver. Probably the worst omission is a failure to introduce a part-time work test on the domestic purposes benefit. Australia introduced work-testing in 2006 and a report released by the Centre for Independent Studies last week shows that the number of Parenting Payment (Single) recipients has dropped by 21 percent. The report concludes the drop is due to a combination of movement off welfare and transfer to the unemployment benefit. By contrast, New Zealand&#039;s DPB numbers have risen by 6 percent in the past year.&quot;

&quot;National also said it would &#039;address growth in sickness and invalid numbers&#039; yet the total number has increased by a further 5 percent in this year alone.&quot;

&quot;To win votes on false promises is fraudulent. National promised an &#039;unrelenting focus on work&#039; but, after almost a year in government, is not delivering for its voters . Even worse, it&#039;s not delivering for people on benefits who need more carrot and stick to become self reliant.&quot;

&quot;The welfare bill is the government&#039;s biggest at $19.4 billion a year or 30 percent of core expenditure. This is where National needs to be focussing its attention and honouring its promises.&quot;

What National promised (a)/What National delivered(b)

1.(a) Re-naming &#039;Personal Development and Employment Plans&#039; because, &quot;It is not the government&#039;s role to help people develop a plan for social activities.&quot;1

(b) Please note that the Ministry has received no advice to discontinue PDEPs and no decisions have been made to change the name of these plans.2

2.(a) A requirement that the validity of a second medical certificate for a sickness benefit be reduced from 13 weeks to 4 because, &quot;This will ensure more frequent assessments from the person&#039;s doctor.&quot;1

(b) If a person is unable to work and requires a Sickness Benefit for longer than four weeks they must return to their registered health professional and obtain a further medical certificate. A second or subsequent medical certificate can provide medical coverage for up to a maximum of 13 weeks.2

3.(a) Introduction of part-time work obligations for sickness and invalid beneficiaries assessed as being able to work because, &quot;[However] there is no obligation for these people to do anything more than plan for their eventual return to work and talk to their case manager regularly.&quot;1

(b) A recipient of a sickness Benefit or Invalid&#039;s Benefit has no work test obligations, however they may be required to plan towards their future return to work.2

4.(a) Introduction of a more graduated system of sanctions for people who do not comply with work obligations because, &quot;This step, or steps, will give Work and Income case managers more flexibility and additional tools to encourage beneficiaries to comply with their work obligations.&quot;1

(b) Legislation relating to work test sanctions was introduced in 1998 and was most recently amended in 2007.2

5.(a) Raising the abatement-free earnings threshold from $80 a week to $100 because, &quot;This will help to encourage work wherever possible.&quot;1

(b) A person in receipt of a benefit can earn $80 gross per week before their benefit is abated.2

6.(a) Introduction of part-time work-testing on DPB recipients when their youngest child turns six because ,&quot;There is clear evidence that work obligations are effective.&quot;1

(b) Note clients receiving the Domestic Purposes Benefit cannot be pressured into taking up or accepting employment.3

FOOTNOTES:
1/ Direct quote from the National benefits policy backgrounder
2/ Direct quote from an OIA response

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&amp;t=641&amp;p=25882#p25882</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually you are all pissing wind and Phill is in no danger what so ever form this Govt. Here is an analysis of their promises before the election and their actions subsequent to the election. If anything welfare is more entrenched than ever. </p>
<p>NATIONAL&#8217;S BROKEN PROMISES</p>
<p>Information obtained under the Official Information Act shows that the National government has failed to implement the welfare policy promises it made during the 2008 election campaign.</p>
<p>Welfare commentator Lindsay Mitchell said that she had been provided with information from the Ministry of Social Development which confirms that none of the promises laid out below has been implemented. The first column shows the promises and reasons for them, as detailed in National&#8217;s manifesto; the second column provides the information from the Ministry of Social Development confirming none of the promises has been actioned.</p>
<p>&#8220;National produced an 11-page benefits policy prior to the 2008 election and they have a mandate and responsibility to deliver. Probably the worst omission is a failure to introduce a part-time work test on the domestic purposes benefit. Australia introduced work-testing in 2006 and a report released by the Centre for Independent Studies last week shows that the number of Parenting Payment (Single) recipients has dropped by 21 percent. The report concludes the drop is due to a combination of movement off welfare and transfer to the unemployment benefit. By contrast, New Zealand&#8217;s DPB numbers have risen by 6 percent in the past year.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;National also said it would &#8216;address growth in sickness and invalid numbers&#8217; yet the total number has increased by a further 5 percent in this year alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;To win votes on false promises is fraudulent. National promised an &#8216;unrelenting focus on work&#8217; but, after almost a year in government, is not delivering for its voters . Even worse, it&#8217;s not delivering for people on benefits who need more carrot and stick to become self reliant.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The welfare bill is the government&#8217;s biggest at $19.4 billion a year or 30 percent of core expenditure. This is where National needs to be focussing its attention and honouring its promises.&#8221;</p>
<p>What National promised (a)/What National delivered(b)</p>
<p>1.(a) Re-naming &#8216;Personal Development and Employment Plans&#8217; because, &#8220;It is not the government&#8217;s role to help people develop a plan for social activities.&#8221;1</p>
<p>(b) Please note that the Ministry has received no advice to discontinue PDEPs and no decisions have been made to change the name of these plans.2</p>
<p>2.(a) A requirement that the validity of a second medical certificate for a sickness benefit be reduced from 13 weeks to 4 because, &#8220;This will ensure more frequent assessments from the person&#8217;s doctor.&#8221;1</p>
<p>(b) If a person is unable to work and requires a Sickness Benefit for longer than four weeks they must return to their registered health professional and obtain a further medical certificate. A second or subsequent medical certificate can provide medical coverage for up to a maximum of 13 weeks.2</p>
<p>3.(a) Introduction of part-time work obligations for sickness and invalid beneficiaries assessed as being able to work because, &#8220;[However] there is no obligation for these people to do anything more than plan for their eventual return to work and talk to their case manager regularly.&#8221;1</p>
<p>(b) A recipient of a sickness Benefit or Invalid&#8217;s Benefit has no work test obligations, however they may be required to plan towards their future return to work.2</p>
<p>4.(a) Introduction of a more graduated system of sanctions for people who do not comply with work obligations because, &#8220;This step, or steps, will give Work and Income case managers more flexibility and additional tools to encourage beneficiaries to comply with their work obligations.&#8221;1</p>
<p>(b) Legislation relating to work test sanctions was introduced in 1998 and was most recently amended in 2007.2</p>
<p>5.(a) Raising the abatement-free earnings threshold from $80 a week to $100 because, &#8220;This will help to encourage work wherever possible.&#8221;1</p>
<p>(b) A person in receipt of a benefit can earn $80 gross per week before their benefit is abated.2</p>
<p>6.(a) Introduction of part-time work-testing on DPB recipients when their youngest child turns six because ,&#8221;There is clear evidence that work obligations are effective.&#8221;1</p>
<p>(b) Note clients receiving the Domestic Purposes Benefit cannot be pressured into taking up or accepting employment.3</p>
<p>FOOTNOTES:<br />
1/ Direct quote from the National benefits policy backgrounder<br />
2/ Direct quote from an OIA response</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&#038;t=641&#038;p=25882#p25882" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&#038;t=641&#038;p=25882#p25882</a></p>
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		<title>By: ISeeRed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629847</link>
		<dc:creator>ISeeRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite my libertarian tendencies, the existence of philu makes a very strong case against drug legalisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite my libertarian tendencies, the existence of philu makes a very strong case against drug legalisation.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629846</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The left are a twisted bunch of creeps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left are a twisted bunch of creeps.</p>
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		<title>By: billyborker</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629844</link>
		<dc:creator>billyborker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;hwello, powice? My name is petie and someone was nasty to me on the interweb&quot;.

boo fucking hoo! Grow some balls, girly boy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hwello, powice? My name is petie and someone was nasty to me on the interweb&#8221;.</p>
<p>boo fucking hoo! Grow some balls, girly boy.</p>
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		<title>By: billyborker</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629841</link>
		<dc:creator>billyborker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Your last comment on kiwiblog about my daughter has been forwarded to Christchurch Police.&lt;/i&gt;

I suspect they&#039;re a little tired of you by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Your last comment on kiwiblog about my daughter has been forwarded to Christchurch Police.</i></p>
<p>I suspect they&#8217;re a little tired of you by now.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629835</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nasty stuff fugley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nasty stuff fugley.</p>
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		<title>By: billyborker</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629834</link>
		<dc:creator>billyborker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi dad, Alex says she&#039;s having a god time going down south. I hope she&#039;ll get on well with Kirsty when they finally meet, its been a long time in the planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dad, Alex says she&#8217;s having a god time going down south. I hope she&#8217;ll get on well with Kirsty when they finally meet, its been a long time in the planning.</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629831</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no..you aren&#039;t &#039;baiting&#039; me..

you are just making yourselves look like the total dicks you are..

that&#039;s all you can ever say/do..

ain&#039;t that &#039;kinda sad&#039;..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no..you aren&#8217;t &#8216;baiting&#8217; me..</p>
<p>you are just making yourselves look like the total dicks you are..</p>
<p>that&#8217;s all you can ever say/do..</p>
<p>ain&#8217;t that &#8216;kinda sad&#8217;..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629829</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spray the place with phool insecticide before we all catch Lickspittleittis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spray the place with phool insecticide before we all catch Lickspittleittis.</p>
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		<title>By: Hurf Durf</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629828</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurf Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s black, brown and would look good on phool?

A Doberman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s black, brown and would look good on phool?</p>
<p>A Doberman.</p>
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		<title>By: Chthoniid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629827</link>
		<dc:creator>Chthoniid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...just another evening of Phool-baiting ISeeRed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;just another evening of Phool-baiting ISeeRed.</p>
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		<title>By: ISeeRed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629825</link>
		<dc:creator>ISeeRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone call an exterminator. We have another infestation of Vermini Philus Urea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone call an exterminator. We have another infestation of Vermini Philus Urea.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629818</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quardle oodle ardle wadle McDoodle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quardle oodle ardle wadle McDoodle</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629817</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes..but you didn&#039; t write those two-syllable words...did you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz),</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes..but you didn&#8217; t write those two-syllable words&#8230;did you..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz),</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629816</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnboy@8.28
Phool can translate it huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:Johnboy@8.28">Johnboy@8.28</a><br />
Phool can translate it huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629813</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>knock knock
who&#039;s there?
haula benifit
k, come in.
Its Paula Bennett you fucking moron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>knock knock<br />
who&#8217;s there?<br />
haula benifit<br />
k, come in.<br />
Its Paula Bennett you fucking moron</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629812</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Steve I&#039;ve just finished composing  the soundtrack now (with a lot of help from Pete Wadams) a bit of a balls up but I hope you like it.

http://www.nzbirds.com/birds/sound/magpiewb.wav

(That was Helen doing the intro)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Steve I&#8217;ve just finished composing  the soundtrack now (with a lot of help from Pete Wadams) a bit of a balls up but I hope you like it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzbirds.com/birds/sound/magpiewb.wav" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzbirds.com/birds/sound/magpiewb.wav</a></p>
<p>(That was Helen doing the intro)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/general_debate_9_november_2009.html#comment-629811</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t tell him that, he will repeat repeat himself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t tell him that, he will repeat repeat himself</p>
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