Comments on: Goff’s u-turn

By: jabba

jabba — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:16:07 +0000

shit .. a couple of 3 month bans on Redalert .. I wondered how long it would be before Tim got the yellow card with a threat of a Red

By: 3-coil

3-coil — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:15:15 +0000

OldNews (3:04pm) – thanks, great links.

What a pompous twat Shane Jones is, telling Maori that they’ve made an “egregious” error…at least we know now that he doesn’t just stuff his face at McDonalds – the greedy prick must have swallowed a dictionary!

By: Grant Michael McKenna

Grant Michael McKenna — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:47:55 +0000

There is a downside to Phil Goff’s inanities- in fact two downsides.
Firstly, our parliamentary system relies on the existence of an active and effective opposition to work properly, and as Labour continues drifting into irrelevancy we all will suffer in the end. yes, ACT will examine legislation, but they aren’t doing so as an opposition, and in the end are compromised by their being in government.
Secondly- and this is more of a concern to those of us who are National Party members [or supporters]- John Key looks set to break records as to the length of time that he will serve as PM. This will deaden the new blood that any party needs and after fifteen years or so the National Party will be tired.
Still, maybe then ACT will be the opposition…

By: OldNews

OldNews — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:40:38 +0000

More evidence of how desperate, and now nutty, Goff/Horomia/Jones are on this, try to work out what this statement from Jones means:

Jones: This ain’t puppy love, Maori Party http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0911/S00453.htm

By: Swampy

Swampy — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:40:07 +0000

Goff’s going to Grey Power meetings now? He must think he can mop up Winston Peters’ constituency. LOLOLOLOL

By: richgraham

richgraham — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:22:24 +0000

Good point Jack 5 –
“Wouldn’t you rather be a Maori forest owner than a non-Maori forest owner?”.

This one has slipped by all the shouters hasn’t it ?
Some Maori have been granted free access to 30000 plus ha of Crown Land to plant trees. They’ll successfully demand the government assist them to plant trees. They will thus acquire for nothing 30000ha of new land and will claim rightts over it eventually.
Meanwhile, the rest of pre-1990 exotic forest owners, both Maori and non-Maori, get nothing but 60 carbon credits (at $NZ25 per)per hectare and then pay up to $20000 per hectare as carbon tax if they cut and do not replant. ie. a forest owner of pre-1990 forests has to pay $20,000 per hectare up front tax per hectare if they wish to reuse the land for other purposes.
Mr Smith goes to Copenhagen asking for the right to plant replacement trees on other land and will undoubtedly get zip.

So who is the racist then ?
This is the rottenest thing Mr Key and co. have done, another direct attack on forest owners. Do I hear the Greens waking up ? Bet not.

When forest owners saw a new government elected last year, they hoped it would not be yet more forest haters – how wrong they were.
What a dirty deal National have struck with the Maori Party – shame on them.

By: david

david — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:54:16 +0000

HaHAHA, Horomia really takes the cake for that “one of my best friends is white” switcheroo on the old saying

By: bchapman

bchapman — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:39:37 +0000

Chattering classes turning on Labour- shows Labour is not a PC collection of elistists. What not pandering to middle class guilt? Hopefully this will let them get back to concentrating on helping workers again.

By: side show bob

side show bob — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:24:54 +0000

Poor Philin, his greatest mistake was been born in the wrong country. Had he been born the US Mac Daddy may have given him a pardon the other day.

By: OldNews

OldNews — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:04:00 +0000

Not only is Phil Goff is desperate, Jones and Horomia have proven that they are too.
Horomia: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0911/S00447.htm
Jones: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0911/S00424.htm

John Key will be laughing all his way around Jamaica. He’s completely outflanked Labour and left Goff, Horomia and Jones looking like racist clowns.

By: Paulus

Paulus — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:25:14 +0000

Foolish Boy !

By: Jack5

Jack5 — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:04:46 +0000

Key and Co’s PR horde have mustered the lackey posters to weigh in on this issue today because they know Key’s popularity is in for a pasting on this.

It is sophistry and self-denial to lambast Don Brash for racism when he merely called for equal treatment for all under the law. If Don Brash was racist, then so was Nelson Mandela.

By: Jack5

Jack5 — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:56:56 +0000

On U-turns, to be fair, National has made a pretty big U-turn from the Brash stand of equal treatment for all under the law to the Bro-partheid leanings of Key.

Wouldn’t you rather be a Maori forest owner than a non-Maori forest owner?

Toad at 9.52 defends a policy of racial separation, which begins with separate flags and treatment under the law, but ends who knows where.

By: Craig Ranapia

Craig Ranapia — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:30:53 +0000

Well, at least we know what Winston Peters is doing for a crust nowadays. He’s in the Opposition Leader’s office writing speeches and setting up Grey Power play dates.

By: toad

toad — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:09:43 +0000

Except, Elijah, I'm suggesting they are both down in the sewer, whereas you seem to be excusing them.

By: Elijah Lineberry

Elijah Lineberry — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:02:09 +0000

Excellent post Toad – this is why it will be the depths of hypocrisy for any National supporters to be critical of what Goff has said and done.

http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com

By: toad

toad — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:52:27 +0000

Don Brash, 27 January 2004:

Is it to be a modern democratic society, embodying the essential notion of one rule for all in a single nation state?

Or is it the racially divided nation, with two sets of laws, and two standards of citizenship, that the present Labour Government is moving us steadily towards?

Phil Goff, 26 November 2009:

We can choose our future based on principle and with the interests of all New Zealanders at heart.

Or we can have a country where one New Zealander is turned against another, Maori against Pakeha, in a way that Labour strongly rejects.

And both speeches were entitled “Nationhood”.

By: tautokai.baxter

tautokai.baxter — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:50:15 +0000

Goff is baad news for Labour.. I want to see the Greens with more seats than Labour and hes certainly not helping the Labour cause at all. Maori who voted Labour should switch to Green, we respect Maori property rights.

By: tom hunter

tom hunter — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:21:18 +0000

Hmm……

…..Scans through comments searching for…..

Oh well. I’m sure Micky Savage will have something to say on this later today, once he’s got over the DT’s.

Remember, “tribalist” is not a racist word: Mickey wears it with pride

By: KiwiGreg

KiwiGreg — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:10:09 +0000

Before you all get too carried away enjoying this you might want to think about WHY Goff is saying things like this, and what the National party is doing to the country in its efforts to keep and retain the Maori party vote.