but it’s the blatant hatred you have for people having a hard time on low incomes and/or the dole that should piss a lot of people off.

Blatant hatred? Where? Before your prejudice gets too worked up a bit of background. I left school at 17 to drive a delivery truck, and have always worked bloody hard. Been made redundant twice and had a couple of long’ish stints without work courtesy of being a contractor. If have never taken a cent of welfare despite it being available.

Poverty is defined by a lack of choice. Is most cases welfare is a social narcotic that traps people in a lifestyle of dependence thereby perpetuating their personal poverty. If I hate anything, it’s the attitude of entitlement that has far too many Kiwi’s locked in self-pity and dependence. In my view, if those people feel any pain from any form of disentitlement then that’s a positive thing, for them and for the taxpayers that have been supporting their disinclinations.

Back on topic, student loan should attract interest and the state funding for courses should be directed at those that will help grow our economy. Agriculture, engineering, industrial design etc. Those that want to study interpretive dance or advanced Ecuadorian policy analysis should foot 100% of the real costs.

You mean Students would have to take notes, pay attention and learn?
Instead of having it all handed out so they can study at the beach?
Hahahaha! We are dealing with the “I want” brigade here.

Two-way street my friend, a lot of lecturers in ‘the good old days’ were appalling. A good lecturer can hold the attention of students, maintain attendance. And in my experience there is little difference in an A or B student now relative to ‘the good old days’.

Just don’t press me too hard on my opinion of C students

Which would make it different from every other night in what way?? Collection of arse licking commie sycophants who are as boring as shit.

The stats in fact show the contrary, that welfare produces crime.

As for your pathetically inadequate link, government spending and welfare are two different things you sad illogical poorly educated time wasting dropkick. Now fuck off like you said you were going to, and stop wasting my time with your infantile shit.

http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/03/government-spending-as-percentage-of.html

See Qatar? We’re number 51 ffs…it’s all about reporting ability

You said without poverty, crime would be widespread. Yet there you have oil rich Norway or Denmark for example, absolutely profligate with welfare, and they are at the top of the crime tables.

I have lived in Indonesia where poverty is widespread, and crime is neglible and there is virtually no welfare..

I’ll tell you why you changed the subject. You’re full of mindless commie shit that won’t stand logical scrutiny.

You can’t ever argue on the facts you commies. You always have to try and destroy your opposition with lies smears and false allegations. Want to do things differently to the Progressives, you’re automatically an evil uncaring monster. Straight from the Joe Stalin book on false accusations, midnight arrests, kangaroo courts, stacked juries, bribed judges and banishment to the gulags. Same old same old all time favourite commie strategies.

They are corrupt crumbling edifices that prove to anyone not brain fucked by socialist dogma just what a disastorous destructive force socialism is.

“with the increased crime, poverty, and general shitstorm that will occur if we follow your policy to it’s logical conclusion.”

Funny then, that whereever western countries are run by commie goons like you, crime is at its highest-

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita

While in Indonesia, (for example) where there is dire poverty, but little welfare, crime hardly even features as a social measure.

If you are worried about a shitstorm look no further than the present.

You can spend your after tax income on whatever you want

Indeed, but for me the little problem is the word ‘after’. As in ‘after’ the government of the day has extracted as much of my earnings as humanly possible so as to pay for a widened scope of welfare entitlement thereby gaining additional, willing voters.

As for policies and their logical conclusion, are welfare levels since 1970 and the crime rates over the same period correlated, or anti-correlated?