John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI — Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response. His name and contact information was provided to the Commission as a key witness by other witnesses, but he was never contacted or interviewed.

John Vincent, Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI — Mr. Vincent worked for the FBI for 27½ years before retiring in 2002. He worked his last 8 years in counterterrorism in the FBI’s Chicago Field Office. Mr. Vincent, along with Robert Wright, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases, and certain warnings they had tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Although he was granted an interview, the commissioners’ investigators refused to let him provide them with information related to his case and the 9/11 terrorists’ network; they insisted on limiting the interview to only administrative and irrelevant questions and issues.

Robert Wright, Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI — Mr. Wright is a veteran special agent in the FBI Chicago Field Office Counterterrorism Unit. He had been investigating a suspected terrorist cell for three years, when he was informed in January 2001 that the case was being closed. Agent Wright, along with Mr. Vincent, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases and certain warnings they’d tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Three months before September 11, Wright wrote a stinging internal memo charging that the FBI was not interested in thwarting a terrorist attack, but rather “was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.” The FBI refused to allow Wright to testify before the 9/11 Commission, however, the Commission did not insist or attempt to subpoena Wright, despite the fact that it had subpoena power.

Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist; FBI — Ms. Edmonds worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Turkey, Iran, and Turkic speaking Central Asian countries. She contacted the 9/11 Commission in May 2003 and requested a meeting to provide them with information directly related to the terrorist attack. The Commission investigators refused to meet with Edmonds and informed her that due to their limited resources and time they were not going to interview all witnesses. She was able to provide the commission with information and documents only after certain 9/11 family members intervened directly. Ms. Edmonds’ testimony was completely censored by the Commission.

Behrooz Sarshar, Former Language Specialist; FBI — Mr. Sarshar worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan. He had first-hand information of prior specific warning obtained from a reliable informant in April 2001 on the terrorist attacks of September 11. Mr. Sarshar contacted the Commission directly but was refused. He was given an interview with the Commission investigators only after 9/11 family members intervened directly. Mr. Sarshar’s documented testimony was completely omitted from the commissionaire’s final report, despite his case being publicly confirmed by Director Mueller’s Office.

Mike German, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI — Mr. German served sixteen years as an FBI Special Agent and is one of the rare agents credited with actually having prevented acts of terrorism before it became the FBI’s number one priority. He contacted the Commission in the spring of 2004, but did not receive a response. In 2002 he reported gross mismanagement in a post-9/11 counterterrorism investigation, which included serious violations of FBI policy and federal law. Mr. German contacted the 9/11 Commission during its investigation and requested that he be given an interview session in order to provide them with certain domestic counterterrorism investigations that he’d pursued. According to Mr. German there were links between certain domestic and international counterterrorism related to the September 11 attacks. The 9/11 Commissioners refused to acknowledge his request and never interviewed him.

Gilbert Graham, Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence; FBI — Mr. Graham worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office Counterintelligence Division until 2002. In February 2004 his name and contact information were provided to the Commission as a key witness with information pertinent to the Commission’s investigation. The 9/11 Commission refused to follow up and never contacted Mr. Graham.

Coleen Rowley, Retired Division Counsel; FBI — In May 2002, Coleen Rowley, as the Division Counsel at the FBI Minneapolis Office, blew the whistle on the FBI’s failure to pursue Zacarias Moussaoui’s case prior to 9/11, despite all attempts made by the Minneapolis division counterterrorism agents. She reported that FBI HQ personnel in Washington, D.C., had mishandled and neglected to take action on information provided by her division. Despite her high-profile case the commission chose not to interview Ms. Rowley. According to Ms. Rowley, no one from the FBI Minneapolis Office (several Agents had direct information) was ever asked to provide testimony [or] information to the 9/11 Commission.

Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA — Colonel Shaffer provided the Commission with detailed information on intelligence and pre warning information obtained by his unit’s data mining project, Able Danger. The 9/11 commission staff received not one but two briefings on Able Danger from Mr. Shaffer and his former team members, yet did not pursue the case, did not follow up on this documented report and refused to subpoena the relevant files. Mr. Shaffer’s testimony, together with other witnesses who corroborated his testimony and information, were censored by the 9/11 Commissioners and never made it to its final report.

Dick Stoltz, Retired Special Agent; ATF — Mr. Stoltz, a veteran undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, had played an important role in Operation Diamondback between 1998 and 2001. The sting operation involved a group of Middle Eastern men living in New Jersey who were caught on tape in an ATF weapons sting conspiring to buy millions of dollars of weapons including components for nuclear bombs. The case came to a screeching halt with the arrest of only a handful of suspects in June of 2001 even though there was ample evidence that some of the people who were attempting to buy these weapons had connections with the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden himself. The 9/11 Commission refused to contact Agent Stoltz despite all attempts made by several witnesses from the intelligence and law enforcement communities, and the 9/11 Family group, Jersey Moms.

Bogdan Dzakovic, Former Red Team Leader; FAA — Mr. Dzakovic had worked for the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration since 1987 as a Special Agent, as a Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshals, and from 1995 until September 11, 2001 was a Team Leader of the Red Team (terrorist team). Mr. Dzakovic had tried for several years prior to the 9/11 attacks to improve aviation security in the face of the ever-increasing terrorist threat. He provided the 9/11 Commission with his testimony and documented reports. His testimony and report to the Commission was completely omitted from the final report.

Linda Lewis, Retired Emergency Programs Specialist; USDA — Ms. Lewis worked for 13 years evaluating and coordinating federal, state and local preparedness for nuclear, radiological and chemical weapons emergencies. Prior to September 11, 2001, she had reported numerous inadequacies and dysfunctions in emergency preparedness, including a culture of intimidation that discouraged federal evaluators from reporting inadequacies in state and local plans and preparedness. USDA officials had thwarted her efforts to bring in terrorism experts to help the agency prepare for attacks on federal buildings, including bio-weapons attacks such as the anthrax attacks of 2001. In vain, she had urged FEMA officials to develop a national emergency communications plan and require interoperability of federally funded emergency communications equipment. In the absence of these preparations, New York City firefighters and police officers were unable to communicate critical information on September 11 at the World Trade Center. Ms. Lewis contacted the Commission and offered to provide information regarding dysfunctional government preparedness, but the Commission never responded.

Mark Burton, Senior Analyst; NSA — Mr. Burton served as an all-source threat analyst in NSA’s Information Assurance Directorate (IAD) for most of his 16-year career. He was the editor of IAD’s premier threat document, the 300+ page ISSO Global Threat Summary, and was an adjunct faculty member at NSA’s National Cryptologic School. He provided dozens of pages of relevant information to the 9/11 Commission, but was completely ignored and never asked to testify.

The above list does not include many others from the intelligence and law enforcement communities who had similarly contacted or reported to the commission but had been either turned away or censored, and of course many others who are still working within these agencies and are fearful of making their identities known, due to the relentless pursuit of and retaliation against whistleblowers by government agencies.

In polite manner,one step at a time, this man pointed out to those hundreds of listeners the key materials utilized to destroy the buildings in the manner seen : The aircraft as patsies, and the Highgrade -military mix – super nanothermites, sequenced to explode the structures into dust before our eyes at just under free fall speed, in the case of towers 1 and 2, and AT free fall in the case of WTC7, the third building and ’smoking gun’ of 47 stories brought down in 6.5 seconds at the end of that horrific day.

A science paper produced after two years of study, open to peer review -Bentham open Science Journal – found the evidence of both ignited and unignited thermitic materials in the dust of that event. This dust, This fairy dust that has us all under a spell, has us see “collapse” when it is “explosion” , that has us ‘toe the line’ in the “War on Terrorism.” Dust that produces the “nut-job conspiracy theorists” and ” planes and fire bought down the buildings alone” conspiracies so quickly adopted by, and now held dear to heart by our intellectuals in mainstream and other press . There are going to be some sorry arse journalists around when this one breaks .

The question is, Where are our engineers and architects in the discussion of the ‘removal’ of 60,000 or so tonnes of structural steel in the270 odd columns per tower destructive event, allowing a “sequential pan-cake collapse of 110 stories in 11.7 seconds -close to FREE FALL – into dust??? Yeah right. .No pancakes there fellas. no pancakes and no resistance. Just dosn’t happen.

6 to 7 hundred people watched this, and to my knowledge only ONE of them at the end of it all could be called ‘barking mad’ or anywhere near it.
and after listening to his argument,
he was better left that way.

You could hire him as editor.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/SMI402A.html

The equations give an air velocity of 120m/s for a pressure difference of 10 KPa.

BJ

What cracks me up is the Jeanette has a so called “open mind” on 911 yet anyone who dares to question climate change or even ask for more information is treated as a holocaust denier.

Regarding Japan and WWII no one forced Japan to attack China, Korea or the USSR and Pearl Harbor (just one of the many attacks on US, British and European colonies/protectorates that opened the Pacific War) was designed to knock the US out of the war long enough for a massive land grab by the Japanese before negotiating a peace with the US. The oil embargo is just a convenient tool for historical revisionists who want to place the US as the bad guys. The US had indications of the war coming but did not know where or when – and never underestimate the ability of a nation and its military to be unprepared. Hindsight almost always exposes cock ups. Finally, public opinion was turning in favour of assisting Britain (if not joining the war). What would have been interesting is if Hitler had not declared war against the US post Pearl Harbor but that is a discussion for another time.

I calculate an air velocity of 120m/s at pressure difference of 10 kpa, (1.5 psi)
http://www.engineersedge.com/wwwboard/posts/15354.html

I get 120m/s at 10 kpa (1.5 psi)

So here it is again:

reid, it’s actually surprisingly complex to calculate the velocity of escaping gases, google Bernoulli’s principle to see what I mean.

I found some simplified equations on this thread
http://www.engineersedge.com/wwwboard/posts/15354.html

Which firstly state that at the choke point if the absolute pressure exceeds twice ambient the air flow will be at the speed of sound ie around 300 metres/sec
Using another equation given on the thread, I get an air speed of 120 metres/sec with a pressure difference of just 10 KPa (1.5 psi).

Given Gage is the one claiming the observed speeds can only be propelled by explosives I’d say the onus is on him (and you as his supporter) to prove his claim correct.

So I invite you to provide your own calculations if you dispute my conclusions.

I found some simplified equations on this thread
http://www.engineersedge.com/wwwboard/posts/15354.html

Which firstly state that at the choke point if the absolute pressure exceeds twice ambient the air flow will be at the speed of sound ie around 300 metres/sec
Using another equation given on the thread, I get an air speed of 120 metres/sec with a pressure difference of just 10 KPa (1.5 psi).

Given Gage is the one claiming the observed speeds can only be propelled by explosives I’d say the onus is on him (and you as his supporter) to prove his claim correct.

So I invite you to provide your own calculations if you dispute my conclusions.

I don’t particularly like or dislike you, ried, but it seems fairly inconsistent given the amount of detail you go into here.

I have requested you to look at those arguments and come back with your opinions. If you have decided to not to do that it is your choice but don’t expect me to do your dirty work for you.

Gosman, well done. Do you think that blog offers a solid refutation of the thermite argument, or not? And why?

Andrew, calculations please.

Before you all answer, the actual point is, which I’ve been making since day one, is that the official story is full of holes and merits full investigation which is precisely what it hasn’t had and what Gage said, repeatedly. Instead, it’s been left up to private people with comparatively few resources to make points that the MSM should have been making since 12 September 2001. The Fourth Estate has chosen to not only abrogate their role but act obstructively, which they have also done in other incidents such as JFK. I’m surprised people like you who seem otherwise astute, seem sanguine about it. Especially since 911 gave birth to seismic geopolitical shifts. Has it not occurred to you and others that there is even the slightest whiff about all of this? If not, I’m fucking staggered.

Regarding the Hill interview, there’s this about the puffs of smoke/dust from the stories below the “canopy of destruction” [Gage] “Because they’re 160-200 feet per second, that’s their speed. Ah, we need a conversion there but these speeds can only be propelled by explosives”

That’s just nonsense, compressed air is quite capable of moving gases at those sorts of speed, in comparison gases from explosives move at speeds of around 2 km/second.

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2009/04/active-thermitic-material-claimed-in.html

on the way the thread got side tracked, I had a little look, saw some comments you made, which in all honesty lead me to be highly skeptical of anything you now say, really how can you ridicule someones observations (which now appear to have merit) and not even cite the correct reference?