you are really making a total dick of yourself on multiple threads tonight.

…eh..?

it’s a stuffed sorta friday..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)

(assuming you’re alluding to political affiliation rather than atmospheric refraction indices – anyway… it’s irrelevant to this issue)

What colour is the sky in your world?

It doesn’t matter, because there’s no issue.

There no need to prostitute our integrity in an attempt to hold onto markets that get tetchy about us not joining their Emperor Has No Clothes Club.

Tourists will still come here. We’ll still export the contents of cows’ udders.

The climate won’t change, but our mix of forex earning partners can and should.

Again, no matter how correct you are, and how strongly you hold those views,… it doesn’t matter.

Once again, you turn to brazen deceit. Look at their web page. Every word on it is part of their manifesto. Why do they exist if they have no manifesto? Odious mendicant.

http://www.socialistinternational.org/about.cfm

Not surprisingly, about half of the very diverse conservative parties of the International Democrat Union are in power too.

What does this prove about one world government? Diversity is far more prevalent than conformity.

There are many political forces pulling and pushing in all directions, and many commercial forces pulling and pushing at the same time.

I agree. Here’s a few forces:-

Politicians of all shades crave power. Nick Smith treated climate change as pure bunkum when he was in opposition hoping this position would allow him to feel the reins of power. Now he’s there, he can envision his ascendency to the enormous trough proposed by the Copenhagen treaty and he wants a snout full.

Scientists know the research monies flow, and they flow in the direction that allows politicians to upgrade their ambitions, so the scientists play along.

New York bankers imagine the gargantuan profits to be realized by controlling an emissions marketplace so they support the Greenies who think their activities are going to save the planet.

So… lot’s of agenda. Note that they are all designed to removed income (via taxation) from the average citizen , ie me.

Good. Then maybe you can provide here a manifesto written by Conservatives and capitalists that demonstrates the same obsession with government control of the world’s financial markets, private property, individual labour, thought and speech as is contained in any socialist/ progressive manifesto.

I provide as my first exhibit the manifesto of International Socialist, that global leftist organisation that has almost every Western leftist politician as a member, from Helen Klark to Tony Blair to Hugo Chavez to Parekura Horimia.

Now, where’s yours?

Socialists can be self interested and corrupt and crooked, as can conservatives and capitalists.

And anyone can be dumb and deceitful. Even you.

Gee you say some dumb things. Funny thing is they’re always couched in terms that suggest you think they’re really clever.

I take it then you’ve never heard of cronyism? One of the most destructive outcomes of socialism is the government picking “winners’, and making friends of business on the basis of their political stance.

Its corrupt and crooked, but you in another example of your intent to always be as grossly deceitful as you can, seem to want to deny it exists.

Maybe you don’t know it exists. So what are you? Dumb or deceitful? (You can be both)

more to do with the advancement of socialism and big government.

Funny thing, Ian Wishart seems to believe “that climate change is being used primarily as a revenue-generating exercise by the climate-industrial complex.”

It can’t be both them and the socialists.

Get off the grass Pete, this shit has nothing to do with science but more to do with the advancement of socialism and big government. “A plot to screw farmers”?? , I’m sure you are included in this plot to Pete, do you think you left leaning twits will escape the Kyoto taxman?. Wake up and smell the con Pete.

Nonsense of course.

If counties won’t trade with us for ideological reasons (ie we don’t appear to be jumping through their ‘green’ hoops) then we work hard develop other markets. And strongly differentiated idological frameworks haven’t stopped the USA and other western democracies falling over themselves to trade with China.

If we produce more of what the word’s consumers want, and at a price they are prepared to pay then trade won’t be a problem.

Spend some time wandering around the web – your views are in the minority. Right or wrong, you lose.

A little progression:-

–Does CO2 drive atmospheric temperature levels, or vice versa? The latter.

–Is the atmosphere warming? No.

–When this was discovered, did we drop ‘global warming’ in favour of ‘climate change’? Yes.

–When this was discovered, did the focus shift to ocean temperatures? Yes.

–When this was discovered, did climate ’scientists’ switch their accusations towards Methane? Yes.

–Are the seas warming? No.

–Does the IPCC falsify, misrepresent or cherry pick climate related datasets? Yes.

–Is Al Gore set to become the world’s first carbon-trading billionaire? Yes.

–Does the Copenhagen treaty propose to create a global wealth transfer system? Yes.

.. and importantly..

–Should NZ just go along with all this (ie wreck or economy) because we’re worried that no doing so might wreck our economy? Absolutely not!.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2009/nov/12/new-zealand-greenwash

How’re you feeling about it now?