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		<title>By: Rachael Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635556</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachael Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labour are in campaign mode at the moment.

Read the blogs, the papers or listen to talkback and all you get is &quot;I voted National but never again blah blah blah....&quot;  Classic Labour party talking points all over the place at present.

It may be that Phil In is trying to get the polls up before the BBQs come out for summer.

There are ructions between the left and right of the party - the usual spotty hacks are not happy with Phils moves in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour are in campaign mode at the moment.</p>
<p>Read the blogs, the papers or listen to talkback and all you get is &#8220;I voted National but never again blah blah blah&#8230;.&#8221;  Classic Labour party talking points all over the place at present.</p>
<p>It may be that Phil In is trying to get the polls up before the BBQs come out for summer.</p>
<p>There are ructions between the left and right of the party &#8211; the usual spotty hacks are not happy with Phils moves in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read on and follow the references - and don&#039;t put too much faith in multivariate analysis - it&#039;s subject to the GIGO principle as is any technique. Complexity does not equal accuracy and, as is increasingly the case in Economics, one can be blinded by technique, to the detriment of understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read on and follow the references &#8211; and don&#8217;t put too much faith in multivariate analysis &#8211; it&#8217;s subject to the GIGO principle as is any technique. Complexity does not equal accuracy and, as is increasingly the case in Economics, one can be blinded by technique, to the detriment of understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635404</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I&#039;ve just quickly went through the first few pages of David Metcalf&#039;s paper you quoted above, and it covers issues related to adult minimum wage and not youth minimum wage, which is not what I was talking about in my previous messages, so your hero&#039;s work is inapplicable to what is on discussion here.  It&#039;s obvious that you didn&#039;t read that paper. Ms Ardern sits on a parliamentary committee hearing that looks into youth unemployment rate and it is not the same as adult minimum wage issue, is it?  Second, David&#039;s paper rehashes what authors of other papers had published previously (ie, he had no data of his own to work with). Third and it is very important, he cited references that used very simple &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descriptive_statistics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;descriptive statistics&lt;/a&gt; (bean counting). Dr Neumark&#039;s studies used more robust methods from &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multivariate_statistics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;multivariate statistics&lt;/a&gt; (factor analysis). What&#039;s the difference? Multivariate analysis can eliminate data redundancies which may lead to incorrect results while descriptive statistics can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I&#8217;ve just quickly went through the first few pages of David Metcalf&#8217;s paper you quoted above, and it covers issues related to adult minimum wage and not youth minimum wage, which is not what I was talking about in my previous messages, so your hero&#8217;s work is inapplicable to what is on discussion here.  It&#8217;s obvious that you didn&#8217;t read that paper. Ms Ardern sits on a parliamentary committee hearing that looks into youth unemployment rate and it is not the same as adult minimum wage issue, is it?  Second, David&#8217;s paper rehashes what authors of other papers had published previously (ie, he had no data of his own to work with). Third and it is very important, he cited references that used very simple <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descriptive_statistics" rel="nofollow">descriptive statistics</a> (bean counting). Dr Neumark&#8217;s studies used more robust methods from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multivariate_statistics" rel="nofollow">multivariate statistics</a> (factor analysis). What&#8217;s the difference? Multivariate analysis can eliminate data redundancies which may lead to incorrect results while descriptive statistics can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Winter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635384</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Professor Neumark is but one commentator. For example, the equally, possibly more eminent, UK labour economist, David Metcalf (LSE), has suggested a quite different outcome on the basis of copious UK data. He, too, is peer-reviewed. This is not a closed debate by any means.

Why has the British National Minimum Wage had Little or No Impact on Employment?
David Metcalf
Journal of Industrial Relations, Vol. 50, No. 3, 489-512 (2008)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Neumark is but one commentator. For example, the equally, possibly more eminent, UK labour economist, David Metcalf (LSE), has suggested a quite different outcome on the basis of copious UK data. He, too, is peer-reviewed. This is not a closed debate by any means.</p>
<p>Why has the British National Minimum Wage had Little or No Impact on Employment?<br />
David Metcalf<br />
Journal of Industrial Relations, Vol. 50, No. 3, 489-512 (2008)</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635362</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, here is the expert, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.socsci.uci.edu/~dneumark/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prof. David Neumark&lt;/a&gt;, that I cited his work at Red-Alert&#039;s blog post on &lt;i&gt;rising youth unemployment&lt;/i&gt; by Ms Ardern. You can download some of his more recent publications from his site (Research Section).

In fact, if reading peer review papers is something too hard (even for Ms Ardern), then at least, one can Google the name &lt;i&gt;Neumark&lt;/i&gt; and you can find lots of references to him, in which they are readable to the general public. Here is one from Wall Street Journal.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574402820278669840.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Young and the Jobless &lt;/a&gt;

The WSJ article above is digestible to non-experts if peer review is something to be avoided, since peer review is not aimed for the general public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, here is the expert, <a href="http://www.socsci.uci.edu/~dneumark/" rel="nofollow">Prof. David Neumark</a>, that I cited his work at Red-Alert&#8217;s blog post on <i>rising youth unemployment</i> by Ms Ardern. You can download some of his more recent publications from his site (Research Section).</p>
<p>In fact, if reading peer review papers is something too hard (even for Ms Ardern), then at least, one can Google the name <i>Neumark</i> and you can find lots of references to him, in which they are readable to the general public. Here is one from Wall Street Journal.</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574402820278669840.html" rel="nofollow">The Young and the Jobless </a></p>
<p>The WSJ article above is digestible to non-experts if peer review is something to be avoided, since peer review is not aimed for the general public.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635340</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete said...
&lt;i&gt;Yes. It is different from peering into the Internet to find something you want to see.&lt;/i&gt;

So, if I am a policy-maker and I want to peer into the internet to find out if drafting a legislation to set minimum wages is a good thing or a bad thing and my preconceived idea is that it is a good thing (with no shred of evidence to support that), then what should I expect to find? Nil.  Do you still go on to draft legislation based on no evidence or you should do it according to evidence right in front of your eyes? I&#039;ll leave it to you to digest that question, since it seems to me that you have a hard time understanding of what I am talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete said&#8230;<br />
<i>Yes. It is different from peering into the Internet to find something you want to see.</i></p>
<p>So, if I am a policy-maker and I want to peer into the internet to find out if drafting a legislation to set minimum wages is a good thing or a bad thing and my preconceived idea is that it is a good thing (with no shred of evidence to support that), then what should I expect to find? Nil.  Do you still go on to draft legislation based on no evidence or you should do it according to evidence right in front of your eyes? I&#8217;ll leave it to you to digest that question, since it seems to me that you have a hard time understanding of what I am talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635329</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you understand what peer review research publication is about&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. It is different from peering into the Internet to find something you want to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Do you understand what peer review research publication is about</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. It is different from peering into the Internet to find something you want to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635326</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twyford is not helped by sharing his name, as Gooner noted at No Minister, with a brand of lavatory porcelain :-)

http://nominister.blogspot.com/2009/11/pissing-on-twyford.html

He&#039;s certainly received a fair old watering from within his own party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twyford is not helped by sharing his name, as Gooner noted at No Minister, with a brand of lavatory porcelain <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://nominister.blogspot.com/2009/11/pissing-on-twyford.html" rel="nofollow">http://nominister.blogspot.com/2009/11/pissing-on-twyford.html</a></p>
<p>He&#8217;s certainly received a fair old watering from within his own party!</p>
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		<title>By: MT_Tinman</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635323</link>
		<dc:creator>MT_Tinman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bevan (1697) Vote: Add rating 1  Subtract rating 0   Says:
November 24th, 2009 at 10:26 am

Maybe Labour have noted the groundswell of disgust about the ETS fiasco and are anticipating the physical removal of the current totally corrupt shower by mobs of justifiably angry citizens and are preparing for the soon-to-follow (we hope) elections.

Why on earth would Labour think we want them back – they would be ten times worse and I shudder to think what kind of ETS monstrosity they would fource upon the country.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I quite agree (except with the spelling).

Note I never said anything about them winning, just that they have noted that the level of disgust at the current shower has nearly reached the point where a civil insurrection will happen.

As an aside the ETS bullshit currently being purchased by the corrupt few will cost NZ a damned sight more than the $2b train set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bevan (1697) Vote: Add rating 1  Subtract rating 0   Says:<br />
November 24th, 2009 at 10:26 am</p>
<p>Maybe Labour have noted the groundswell of disgust about the ETS fiasco and are anticipating the physical removal of the current totally corrupt shower by mobs of justifiably angry citizens and are preparing for the soon-to-follow (we hope) elections.</p>
<p>Why on earth would Labour think we want them back – they would be ten times worse and I shudder to think what kind of ETS monstrosity they would fource upon the country.</p></blockquote>
<p>I quite agree (except with the spelling).</p>
<p>Note I never said anything about them winning, just that they have noted that the level of disgust at the current shower has nearly reached the point where a civil insurrection will happen.</p>
<p>As an aside the ETS bullshit currently being purchased by the corrupt few will cost NZ a damned sight more than the $2b train set.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635322</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete said...
&lt;i&gt;they choose their agenda or position on an issue and then find and read things to back that up.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, the reference that I posted on her blog post was a link to an economic peer review paper, which backed up the fact that when you set minimum wages, then youth unemployment will rise.  Do you understand what peer review research publication is about Pete? Ms Ardern can ignore blog opinion of commentators which we all do, but you can&#039;t ignore case studies, if you&#039;re a person that sits on a committee and with a stroke of a pen, you could in fact, affect the lives of many citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete said&#8230;<br />
<i>they choose their agenda or position on an issue and then find and read things to back that up.</i></p>
<p>Yes, the reference that I posted on her blog post was a link to an economic peer review paper, which backed up the fact that when you set minimum wages, then youth unemployment will rise.  Do you understand what peer review research publication is about Pete? Ms Ardern can ignore blog opinion of commentators which we all do, but you can&#8217;t ignore case studies, if you&#8217;re a person that sits on a committee and with a stroke of a pen, you could in fact, affect the lives of many citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635306</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Falafulu Fisi, I think a lot of MPs may be like a lot of blog posters - they choose their agenda or position on an issue and then find and read things to back that up. It&#039;s not volume of reading material that matters, it&#039;s quality and variety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Falafulu Fisi, I think a lot of MPs may be like a lot of blog posters &#8211; they choose their agenda or position on an issue and then find and read things to back that up. It&#8217;s not volume of reading material that matters, it&#8217;s quality and variety.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635300</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OldNews said...
&lt;i&gt;If her posts on RedAlert or her blatherings on Breakfast are anything to go by she’s one of their most economic illiterate.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with you here. I posted a reference to a paper (on her blog post on rising youth unemployment) which was published by one of the world&#039;s leading expert economic professor in youth unemployment &amp; minimum wage issues, that pointed out that setting minimum wages is the problem. She then came back with a similar post a week later at Red Alert still proposing that the government should do something because it failed to come up with policies that combat rising youth unemployment. I wondered if she had any attempt to read the article or not? If she read it, the question to ask, did she understand it? If she did, then why did she post the same blog post topic a week later , given that the paper must have highlighted the problem clearly to her. It is beyond belief, if she didn&#039;t attempt to read the document because I think our MPs should read as much as they can, so their minds could then widen up and see  the issues clearly when they draft or propose new legislations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OldNews said&#8230;<br />
<i>If her posts on RedAlert or her blatherings on Breakfast are anything to go by she’s one of their most economic illiterate.</i></p>
<p>I agree with you here. I posted a reference to a paper (on her blog post on rising youth unemployment) which was published by one of the world&#8217;s leading expert economic professor in youth unemployment &amp; minimum wage issues, that pointed out that setting minimum wages is the problem. She then came back with a similar post a week later at Red Alert still proposing that the government should do something because it failed to come up with policies that combat rising youth unemployment. I wondered if she had any attempt to read the article or not? If she read it, the question to ask, did she understand it? If she did, then why did she post the same blog post topic a week later , given that the paper must have highlighted the problem clearly to her. It is beyond belief, if she didn&#8217;t attempt to read the document because I think our MPs should read as much as they can, so their minds could then widen up and see  the issues clearly when they draft or propose new legislations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635297</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Maybe Labour have noted the groundswell of disgust about the ETS fiasco and are anticipating the physical removal of the current totally corrupt shower by mobs of justifiably angry citizens and are preparing for the soon-to-follow (we hope) elections.
&lt;/i&gt;

Why on earth would Labour think we want them back - they would be ten times worse and I shudder to think what kind of ETS monstrosity they would fource upon the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Maybe Labour have noted the groundswell of disgust about the ETS fiasco and are anticipating the physical removal of the current totally corrupt shower by mobs of justifiably angry citizens and are preparing for the soon-to-follow (we hope) elections.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Why on earth would Labour think we want them back &#8211; they would be ten times worse and I shudder to think what kind of ETS monstrosity they would fource upon the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635267</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a very interesting discussion going on at Red Alert about Labour&#039;s Mt Albert selection earlier in the year.  Reported comments in the media made by Mr Goff were that Mr Shearer won the floor vote at the Mt Albert selection.  There were other reports at the time that this was not the case.

I have asked MPs at Red Alert to verify whether Mr Shearer won the floor vote at the Mt Albert selection, as there were credible reports that he did not.  First Ms Curran said she was going to &quot;verify&quot; with Mr Shearer.  She then responded that I was engaging in &quot;deliberate mistruths&quot; about the selection.  Grant Robertson has then edited a further comment I made on the issue saying that my suggestion that Mr Shearer may not have won the floor vote was &quot;unverifiable&quot;.

This unverifiability surprises me, since Mr Goff at the time claimed that there were 200 local members at the Mount Albert selection.  Surely one of those present, including Mr Goff, could confirm whether Mr Shearer won the floor vote.  

Either Mr Shearer won the floor vote in Mt Albert or he didn&#039;t.  This cone of silence is very unusual.

It will be interesting to see if this lack of transparency plays out in the Auckland Central and Waitakere selections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a very interesting discussion going on at Red Alert about Labour&#8217;s Mt Albert selection earlier in the year.  Reported comments in the media made by Mr Goff were that Mr Shearer won the floor vote at the Mt Albert selection.  There were other reports at the time that this was not the case.</p>
<p>I have asked MPs at Red Alert to verify whether Mr Shearer won the floor vote at the Mt Albert selection, as there were credible reports that he did not.  First Ms Curran said she was going to &#8220;verify&#8221; with Mr Shearer.  She then responded that I was engaging in &#8220;deliberate mistruths&#8221; about the selection.  Grant Robertson has then edited a further comment I made on the issue saying that my suggestion that Mr Shearer may not have won the floor vote was &#8220;unverifiable&#8221;.</p>
<p>This unverifiability surprises me, since Mr Goff at the time claimed that there were 200 local members at the Mount Albert selection.  Surely one of those present, including Mr Goff, could confirm whether Mr Shearer won the floor vote.  </p>
<p>Either Mr Shearer won the floor vote in Mt Albert or he didn&#8217;t.  This cone of silence is very unusual.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if this lack of transparency plays out in the Auckland Central and Waitakere selections.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635263</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like a good idea to select early and let the candidates get to know the electorates and for the electorates to get to know them. But it would help big time if they got all candidates to do Communicating With Ordinary People 101. And it wouldn&#039;t hurt for them to also do Breaking Out of the Bullshit Bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a good idea to select early and let the candidates get to know the electorates and for the electorates to get to know them. But it would help big time if they got all candidates to do Communicating With Ordinary People 101. And it wouldn&#8217;t hurt for them to also do Breaking Out of the Bullshit Bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: Countess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carpet bagging .
You had  Pansy Wong who was a list candidate in Christchurch for 2 elections, who moved to Auckland Central, and contested that seat for two more elections before tearing across town to the new  seat of Botany.  the word you are looking for is 
OPPORTUNIST</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carpet bagging .<br />
You had  Pansy Wong who was a list candidate in Christchurch for 2 elections, who moved to Auckland Central, and contested that seat for two more elections before tearing across town to the new  seat of Botany.  the word you are looking for is<br />
OPPORTUNIST</p>
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		<title>By: OldNews</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635259</link>
		<dc:creator>OldNews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that you think Ardern &quot;is one of their more able MPs&quot;??  If her posts on RedAlert or her blatherings on Breakfast are anything to go by she&#039;s one of their most economic illiterate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that you think Ardern &#8220;is one of their more able MPs&#8221;??  If her posts on RedAlert or her blatherings on Breakfast are anything to go by she&#8217;s one of their most economic illiterate.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635257</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to agree David, considering the trend for Labour is *still* down, and the ongoing insouciance regarding their birthright to support from inner city &amp; urban electorates you&#039;ve got to put a couple of bucks on some other safe seats being lost.

Happy days, the idiots are running the Labour asylum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree David, considering the trend for Labour is *still* down, and the ongoing insouciance regarding their birthright to support from inner city &amp; urban electorates you&#8217;ve got to put a couple of bucks on some other safe seats being lost.</p>
<p>Happy days, the idiots are running the Labour asylum.</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/labour_selections.html#comment-635254</link>
		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both still have that strong sense of entitlement.  That all they have to do when criticising any reforms is that is a secret agenda for PRIVITISATION.  Twyford seems particularly vocal on this point.  I doubt generation x y or z have the faintest clue what he is on about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both still have that strong sense of entitlement.  That all they have to do when criticising any reforms is that is a secret agenda for PRIVITISATION.  Twyford seems particularly vocal on this point.  I doubt generation x y or z have the faintest clue what he is on about.</p>
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		<title>By: dimmocrazy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dimmocrazy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, one starts to wonder what DPF is smoking in Algeria.  He just keeps blabbering on and on about irrelevant subjects like the rest of the MSM, completely bypassing the real relevant topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, one starts to wonder what DPF is smoking in Algeria.  He just keeps blabbering on and on about irrelevant subjects like the rest of the MSM, completely bypassing the real relevant topics.</p>
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