Maori Party schisms
November 13th, 2009 at 10:00 am by David FarrarI am surprised. I thought Maori Party would whack Hone with a slightly moist bus ticket, and say look Hone is a hot head, but he does a lot of good stuff, and we have told him to tone it down in future.
Instead the Herald reports:
Maori Party leaders have made it clear Hone Harawira will be pushed if he refuses their request to resign.
They say his actions have had a devastating effect on the party and he has refused to be accountable to the caucus or the party.
I feel somewhat sorry for the other Maori Party MPs for havign to weather the backlash from one of their colleagues.
Professor Winiata said Mr Harawira’s actions had had a “devastating effect” on the party and his fellow MPs.
He made it clear the decision was not based solely on the Paris incident and the email, saying Mr Harawira’s actions showed he believed he was accountable only to the people of his Te Tai Tokerau electorate.
“If Hone believes he is not accountable to the Maori Party or its leadership, or the party caucus in Parliament, then clearly he has placed himself outside the party.”
There is often some tension between loyalty to constituents and to a party, but this is part of the balancing act all electorate MPs have. If one claims an extreme position of loyalty only to one’s electorate or only to one’s party, then you won’t be in a tenable position for long.
Mr Harawira said he had no intention of leaving the Maori Party, and the suggestion that he resign was “the silliest idea I’ve ever heard”.
But Dr Winiata and co-leader Tariana Turia have made it clear it will take a lot to dissuade the party from pushing him if he refuses to go.
Asked if Mr Harawira would be expelled if he did not resign, Mrs Turia said that was ultimately up to him.
“But I don’t think Hone will want to change how he is, and I don’t think he will change how he is. This is not just about a jaunt to Paris or bad language. It’s been an ongoing issue and it’s reached its end, very sadly.”
She said it had become obvious the party leadership had no other option.
As I said, no one can say the Maori Party are not taking this seriously. Things sound pretty bad, and whether there is a way forward for reconciliation – well time will tell.
Personally I hope there is a way forward. I suspect Hone would win Te Tai Tokerau as an Independent – but he will become irrelevant if he does leave the Maori Party. The Maori Party won’t like losing an electorate and possibly losing some of the hard core activists – but they obviously feel the status quo is not tenable.
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- Maori Party schism looks likely
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- Maori Party bridge building
- Maori Party Leadership
November 13th, 2009 at 10:03 am
“Professor Winiata said Mr Harawira’s actions had had a “devastating effect” on the party and his fellow MPs.”
Really? Winiata said that??
I’m surprised Winiata himself hasn’t resigned.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Hone’s “white motherfuckers” etc outburst has incontrovertibly exposed his deep-seated anti-white racism.
If the Maori Party keep him on-board, that will be proof that they are happy to provide a safe haven for unreconstructed (brown) racists – and they will justifiably be taunted with that for the rest of their days. They will have to be happy to be:
NZ Maori Party = brown KKK
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 10:20 am
It’s all a farce.
Despite their mutual protestations, the Maori Party (created along racial lines) and Hone Harawira, an unabashed/unrepentant racist, are made for each other. Actually, the deserve each other.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 10:22 am
He wont go. Its all bluff and bluster the Maori party will do nothing, National will do nothing and white NZ will once again be shown that they are good for paying the bills but other than that they just dont matter.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I’m with Manolo, it’s all a farce.
Vote:They are pissed with him for outing them and not playing by the nice decent parliamentary rules.
He said what he means which is what they mean too.
They are a racist party in place for one ethnic group and unacceptable in a multicultural country.
November 13th, 2009 at 10:45 am
“Professor Winiata said Mr Harawira’s actions had had a “devastating effect” on the party and his fellow MPs”
maybe we’re being a bit premature in getting rid of him ???
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:01 am
“maybe we’re being a bit premature in getting rid of him ???”
I shouldn’t laugh.. but I did.
But it would be a shame to lose the MP.. racists in a racist party in a racist system dominated by the loonyness of MMP, but still they balance the sometimes equally bizarre ACT. In a perfect world of loonyness they would both swing at Key and hit each other.. come to think of it.. thats just what the two of them have been doing.
ACT have sensibly swung low for the moment and let the other old racist from NZ1st do the heavy lifting.. a dangerous ploy. Hopefully Garrett will step in at the right time and demand the death penalty for one of the gay MPs and restore some decency and decorum before Winnie gets up too big a head of steam.
JC
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Is the party principalled afterall, or is a smoke screen? Time, I guess, will tell.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Ahh, so it’s not about offending white people, being racist, or setting back race relations in NZ. No, it’s all about how it affects his fellow MP’s and the Party.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Just spotted this:
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/6468198/maori-party-to-front-media-over-harawira/
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:44 am
The bottom line is that most people regardless of their pigmentation, have a bullshit threashold. The rest of the Maori Party have recognised that Hone has pole vaulted over that line, in fact he lives there.
If they want to proceed with Hone on board they’ll be doing with the resistance of the majority of the people of New Zealand. They might claim that they have been victims for “centuries” (1.5) but they really don’t like the prospect of actually facing near universal hostility.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Hone is obviously becoming more and more resentful with the cosy relationship that the Maori Party has with the National party. It is neither satisfying nor mana enhancing for him and he is seeing no benefit for Maori continuing with the relationship.
He is trying to set himself up as the Maori P{arty equivalent of Sue Bradford.
Watch for him to get more and more resentful as he realises how bad National is screwing Maori.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:57 am
mickeyrat talking crap again. What a shocker.
the relationship that the Maori Party has with the greens is infinately better than the one it had with labour. Labour treated them like crap and just expected another bitch party like the greens.
the Maori Party were stunned to find themselves actually being treated with some respect and taken seriously even when not being agreed with. What you claim as National “screwing” Maori is according to the Maori party much better than they ever got from labour and would be more accurately described as a functional relationship.
Fucking rich coming from the people rammed the forshore and seabed down everyones thoat. Bit of a hater and wrecker there mickey.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:58 am
“more resentful as he realises how bad National is screwing Maori”
care to explain how National are screwing maori a bit better mickeysavage?
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 11:59 am
JC – Classic mistake, painting the Act party as racist.
Unfortunately, many on the left equate small government with racism. I think they see such policies as the elimination of positive discrimination, disestablishment of ineffective and expensive race- or SEO-based commissions, and general reduction in the welfare state as either (1) motivated by either racism and/or to protect an economic elite (which they believe exists itself in part due to past racist activity) or (2) at least racist in effect by not using the power of government to advance the interests of racial groups they perceive as disadvantaged.
Even more unfortunately, some actual racists make the same inaccurate assumptions as the left and thereby reinforce the fallacy by making it a somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
True supporters of small government need to make strong counterarguments against the fallacies and avoid letting racists infiltrate and hijack their party.
For a start, it wouldn’t be hard for the Act party to simultaneously oppose the extension of the original meaning of the Treaty via vague “principles” statements in new legislation while also promoting the fact that Treaty violations were essentially violations of established property rights (by the government, mainly) that should be remedied via the justice system.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Even Mickey gets tired of the circle jerking at the substandard. Whos claiming to be the AGW expert today?
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
“Watch for him to get more and more resentful as he realises how bad National is screwing Maori.”
Really? Maoridom has a lot to answer for its current state of affairs.
After playing victim for so long, without a serious attempt to get out the mess they are, Maori leaders (including the Maori Party and its ruling elite) cannot take the moral high ground anymore and cannot blame colonisation and the white man for its current sorry plight.
Maori are the only ones to blame if they let this National government, like many previous Labour ones, to take advantage of them. Maori should stop playing victim and start taking their destiny in their own hands.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
When ones rights to lands are not even allowed to be contested in court due to innert racism then sometimes one needs to counter that by creating a group which represents the rights which are been trampled. The Maori party in of itself is not a racist institution. Yes it is sad that it needs to exist, but Maori’s current place in society and constant wrongs and this misbelief of some ‘gravy’ train all came together to create it.
I think the Maori parties handling of this shows that indeed their over all aims are admirable.
Do I hope its need is gone in 10 years time, yes I do. But that time has not yet arrived.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
“mickeyrat talking crap again. What a shocker.
the relationship that the Maori Party has with the greens is infinately better than the one it had with labour. Labour treated them like crap and just expected another bitch party like the greens.
the Maori Party were stunned to find themselves actually being treated with some respect and taken seriously even when not being agreed with. What you claim as National “screwing” Maori is according to the Maori party much better than they ever got from labour and would be more accurately described as a functional relationship.
Fucking rich coming from the people rammed the forshore and seabed down everyones thoat. Bit of a hater and wrecker there mickey.”
Good post Murray.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
savage is correct..and you are all wrong..
this is not about paris/goff/white mo’fo’..
it is about the maori party selling out to national..
and harawira understandably..being a tad concerned/vocal about this..
even turia has said this is not about paris/goff..
but hey..!
carry on playing yr own movie..!
fantasy tho’ it may be..
bring on the harawira/sue bradford party..!
(possible name..?..’ebony and ivory party’..?)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Surely the Maori party was always going to be unsustainable long term? Once the unifying grievance over the S&F was out of the way the idiot lefty radical Harawiras of the world were going to find it hard to hold hands with the pragmatic economically conservative middle-class types. I’m surprised it’s happened so soon, but Harawira’s obviously a weapons-grade idiot…
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Dumb and dumber…
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Will Hone/Johnnie form a ‘provisional ‘ Maori Party to carry on the struggle. Then 20 years on from that when the original Maori party has whithered away , some else form a ‘Real’ Maori Party.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
just be careful, at the moment he is inside the tent with at least some control over him, put him outside the tent and what damage can he do, think Waitangi 2010
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
The major problem with the Maori Party is that they have been founded on a single issue grievance, to which Hone Harawira hitched his falling star. However Pita Sharples has realised that in order to maintain the Maori Party as a going concern, they have to engage politically. Politics is by and large the art of compromise. Unfortunately Hone’s not big on compromise. He’s been squawking the ‘gospel’ of the white man’s bullshit for so long he actually beleives it. So whenever he does not get his own way, he pulls out the racism card.
This is the equivalent of a 5 year old saying ‘You’re not the boss of me!”
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
ROW – you’ve nailed it. Hone is, if you’ll pardon the pun, a black and white person, and the mere suggestion of compromise is foreign to him. Interestingly, both Turia and Sharples, being of a slightly different vintage have the wisdom to step back and see the bigger picture, even if they lose a few battles in the short term.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I think you’re being a bit hard on five year olds though. They have the potential to grow up.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
mickeysavage excells himself with his comment “Watch for him to get more and more resentful as he realises how bad National is screwing Maori”.
Really Mickey. This from Labour. A party that made screwing Maori an art form. Listen and learn from ex Ministers like Dover Samuels who said ealier this week (and I paraphase) … they treated us like doormats, walked over us and fed us crumbs …. I suspect that for many Maori, Labour Maori MPs are the ultimate Uncle Toms.
Your actions spawned the Maori Party. Now you and the country are reaping that harvest.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
what a wonderful opportunity for the school children in Otaki to write to Hone and express their views.
Vote:All they need is for their teachers and parents to tell them what to say.
November 13th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
I wonder how much tribal rivalries are driving the decisions by the MP. We pakeha tend to make the mistake of lumping Maori in to one homogenous body. Far from it. And Hone’s Mum, Titewhai, who is surely in the picture, does not have a record as a unifying influence. So whatever the obvious background to this present situation I suspect there is more to it than meets the eye.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
what damage can he do, think Waitangi 2010
..BFD..waitangi day ppfftt…so long as I get a day off and a cold beer Im happy..doesnt mean shit to me…
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Quotes from Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples shound reasoned, sensible and pragmatic. They know how things work and what is required to make things happen, Harawira either doesn’t know or doesn’t give a stuff.
And having heard that the Maori party had decided days ago to take action (and presumably needed the time to allow for due process) I suspect that Key knew more than the lynch mob and was wise to keep out of it and leave it to the Maori Party to deal with their own – it is quite possible he knew the Maori Party was not the problem as far as government was concerned, it was just one MP who had different priorities to his party and who didn’t care for doing what was most likely to get the best results for the party.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Another far left wing racist exposed…but of course the RR Conciliator couldn’t care less.
That’s the real scandal of this whole business.
I would like to see John Key make it plain that he won’t do business with Hone-boy in as straightforward a way as he dealt to Winston.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
The Maori Party are a joke, they dont represent the majority of Maori, hence there results in the Party Vote last election. So dont label their actions as being mainstream Maori, because they most certainly aren’t.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
The Maori Party are NOT a joke. Dr Sharples and Mrs Turia are very serious people who are in politics to get things done for Maori., in a constructive way. Winston Peters is a different matter. He is a plain simple political opportunist and does not give a flying f**k for Maori. He will press any button, scratch any sore to get a headline. Harawera and Peters have things in common except I do think Harawera is honest.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
From today’s midday press conference:
“…Dr Sharples said the decision to ask Mr Harawira to leave had been taken by the party, not just by its MPs, …”
and
“He has placed himself outside of our party, our caucus, so we’re saying if that is so you have an opportunity to be that person (an independent MP),” Dr Sharples said. The co-leaders said they were anxious to move on and deal with important issues for Maori like the repeal of the Foreshore and Seabed Act and the emissions trading scheme legislation.
“We’re trying to do things for our people and the only way you can do that is to have credibility,” Dr Sharples said. ”
and
“But Dr Sharples and Mrs Turia clearly feel the situation can’t continue the way it is, and they said today they didn’t expect Mr Harawira would change his attitude. ”
That pretty much looks like ‘Haere atu, Hone’ to me.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
The lazy MSM make broad assumptions re Hone’s support. Hone ran home to Mum and gathered the whanau around them and had a love in. But Hone’s electorate reaches down to the North Shore and Auckland West. Whilst he may have the vocal support of his hapu up North this by no means extends to urban Maori. Hone has certainly been active in the North in support of worthy causes but he is conspicuous by his absence in urban Auckland.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
mickeysavage @11.49 does a typical leftwing hit & run smear and states the nats are screwing the maori party. Now I’m not a supporter of that relationship, but I dont think for a minute that anyone could claim the nats are screwing them, on the contrary
care to explain it mickey, or are you comfortable to remain considered full of shit?????
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
“Dr Sharples and Mrs Turia are very serious people who are in politics to get things done for Maori., in a constructive way”
I do not doubt that they are serious but they also extremly flaud. They are sell outs to their people! All for the sake of some ministerial portfolioes. They voted for tax legislation that descriminated against the poor, many of whom are Maori. The Green Party are THE SINGLE STRONGEST PARTY on pro-Maori policy and action.
And as for being ministers, they have the taken the Minister of Maori Affairs role from being 5th ranked in the major party of the government IN cabinet to a minor coalition party with little influence.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
tautoki.baxter said “The Green Party are THE SINGLE STRONGEST PARTY on pro-Maori policy and action.”
You’re entitled to your view tautoki, but IMHO the Greens are the weakest link as far as Maori policy goes. I make that statement based on the failure of the Greens to have ever been able to establish themselves within a coalition government. Therefore, the Greens have had minimal impact on Maoridom in terms of policy being implemented. It’s one thing to talk the talk; it’s another thing altogether to walk the talk and bring about real change.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
They havent joined a coalition because they arent sell outs to their ideals. If they get the Maori vote however which would help get them more seats so they can have more influence then they can start to influence government policy and seriously effect legislation. And we know that they have the integrity to do so by their history of holding to their ideals.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
But isn’t getting a little bit of something more fruitful than getting a whole lot of nothing? It’s ok to aspire to some ideals, but real life isn’t about ideals, it is about being realistic, practical, pragmatic. And making incremental steps towards bigger goals.
I’d rather die a semi successful practitioner than a failed idealist.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Well yes, but voting for something that hurts your constictuents is another matter.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Indeed Pete – so far all the Greens have to show for all those years of standing up for their principles (when it suits them) is three-fifths of diddly-squat. Even Winston Peters has a better track record than that, and that’s saying something. Sheesh, even Jim Anderton has Kiwibank as his legacy. What do the Greens have?
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
But surely that is going to happen in politics.
Raise taxes and increase benefits, you hurt earners.
Vote:Lower taxes and decrease benefits, you hurt beneficiaries.
Lower taxes and increase benefits, you end up hurting everyone (except the international money lenders).
November 13th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
They have BuyKiwi Made, GE Free, Energy in Conservation Authority, s59, Youth Minimum Wage, Option of STV in Local Government Elections, improved the emissions trading scheme, flexible working hours… The list goes on.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
What we’re seeing here is a total lack of leadership from the Maori Party.
Pita and Tari should have already made it very clear to Hone and the country that either his behaviour IS ACCEPTABLE and it’s time to move on, or it ISN’T ACCEPTABLE an it’s time for him to move on.
They seem to lack the courage to do either. Suggesting he consider the possibilty that he might want to decide to go independent and respresent the people on Tai Tokerau on his own is about as softly softly as you can get.
But then what? Will they stand a candidate against him in Tai Tokerau in two years? I’m sure Labour would love to see the Maori Party’s supporters split like that.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
All this opinion about maori and how well they’re being treated Vs the labour Era and Hone’s behaviour I find a little too conveniently twisted.
Vote:If maori had such a hard life in Labor, why wait till F&S ? MMP’s been around a tad longer so to me that sounds lazy and rather naive thinking your agendas getting a high priority in any mainstream party….Nat or labor. Dover like Turiana whines about the past yet never stopped taking the perks of office granted them……I don’t believe they reflect any opinion but their own self interested one and Hone reflects this.
F&S was a big mistake from Labor but it’s yet to be repealed and the nat’s record of doing what they say isn’t flash so remains to be seen this will be a good outcome for them so this ‘awesome’ relationship is still on honeymoon and as such looks rosy.
Hone represents the frustration alot of grassroots Maori feel with Turei/Sharples who haven’t atriculated what’s in it for them when passing ACC/ETS etc so Hone’s pulled towards his base support not the party line.
If they dump him it shows political immaturity…no surprises there. If they do he will probably be elected again easily as he’s got the mana, serves his electorate and is the voice of most maori who don’t like what they see in Turei/Sharples, dumping him would incense those who voted for him….wouldn’t be the first time poor leadership costs a party dearly.
I like the MP, but it needs quality leadership that can bargain it’s end effectively and keep all it’s factions together as not all will sit quietly like Flavell nodding in agreement.
November 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Lawrence, what are you blethering about?
Messrs Turia and Sharples and the party president have made it abundantly clear that his behaviour is not acceptable.
Whether they stand a candidate against him is not an issue and frankly I would not be surprised if you found his support was not as wide as he would have you believe. He a ratbag who is playing a game at the moment but make no mistake – the dye is cast vis a vis his continued party membership. He is gone. The party cannot survive if he remains.
And John Key today has advised from Singapore that an independent Harawira will have no place in any National led administration.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
It’s looking like the Maori Party leadership and National/Key have dealt with this quite cleverly, giving Harawira nowhere to go but out – ok, if he reforms completely he could stay but they have made it clear they don’t think that will happen, further marginalising him – it’s a bit of a mana trap.
They may not have appeared to jump for the instant fix brigade, they have done the smart groundwork instead.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Well Adolf you obviously didn’t hear the clip from Whata Winiata saying Hone should consider leaving the party although they’d really like him to stay – real clear thinking there!
Don’t confuse the chorus of talkback callers for the opinions of those of us on the Maori roll. Tariana is kidding herself if thinks any real damage has been done to the Maori Party so far. Just wait til she’s forced to throw Hone out to keep John Key happy and see some REAL damage. Then there’ll be the civil war in Tai Tokerau as Hone’s supporters battle it out against the Party.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Can someone please help me!!!?
I don’t know what has come over me!!
I woke up this morning and suddenly like Winston Peters.
God I hope it is curable.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
“Speaking to reporters in Singapore, ahead of the Apec leaders’ summit starting tomorrow, Prime Minister John Key says there will be no place in his Government for firebrand Mr Harawira if he decides to go independent.”
[http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3058222/No-place-for-independent-Harawira-in-Govt]
So I guess this means Harawira is of no use to John Key now unless whatever he says or puts forward is filtered by the Maori Party.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Lawrence, you are deluded. It has more to do with keeping intelligent Maori happy. Those Maori and part Maori who, unlike Mr Harawira’s rabble, are getting on with running businesses and have long ago given up the politics of envy and entitlement for the disaster they are. I happen to be one of those.
BTW it amuses me to see his supporters described as low skilled and unskilled workers. A more accurate descriptor would be unemployable beneficiaries, child bashers and and dope growers.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
There arent 12,000 “unemployable beneficiaries, child bashers and and dope growers” in Te Tai Tokerau. Fool.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Hes done alot of good things for the electorate, setting up kohanga reo and kura.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
He’s also a bigoted racist who promotes hatred and discord between Maori citizens and the rest of NZ’s citizens. The only thing he craves more than a completely separate Maori nation is his own continued sucking on the public tit. Apart from that he’s a great bloke.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
“And John Key today has advised from Singapore that an independent Harawira will have no place in any National led administration.”
That’s what I call “second to none strong and decisive leadership”. What a brave man the PM is. Churchill would be proud.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
tautikobaxter, You wanna bet?
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Thats funny manolo, just a few days ago the same Hone was was just a ‘tinge’ of racism ( Keys words on Q+A).
So at last , Key has found his backbone, when even the Maori party has turned their back on Hone, how brave.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
All Hone had to do was say “I’m sorry I’m a racist dickhead, I will now spend the next six months in a diversity training school paid for by the Bros Party” a week ago. Unfortunately, racists are often unaware that their behaviour and attitudes are racist and so go about their daily business totally ignorant.
Joris de Bres’ has got his back now though, so he doesn’t have to do it. Tosser.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I must give credit, with reservations, to the Maori leadership in that they have realised that Hone has really fucked up this time .. in fact many times it seems. I can’t wait to see what happens with this ridiculous side show over the next 2 weeks.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
“bring on the harawira/sue bradford party..!
(possible name..?..’ebony and ivory party’..?)”
Doubt Hone Horrorwrecker would want to form a party with a white motherfucker (or should that be fatherfucker?)
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
A significant thing on Morning Report today was that someone said Buddy had been asked if he wanted to stand against Hone.
Imagine that.
He might lose, but OTOH, he mightn’t.
Personally I think it’s sad for the country that apparently there are still Maori who, like Hone, can’t see the difference between 2009 and 1909. I can’t blame Hone for if you had parents like he had, what else would you think? But just like the Greens, these people are living in some sort of loopy fantasyland which doesn’t actually exist in reality.
Sad.
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
reid .. yep, hard to argue against .. his mother dressed in the finest (well sort of) honky glory is as mad as a snake .. Hone/Jon had no where to go from the day he was born
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
reid..even sharples and turei concede harawira will win the seat..
do you not accept this is because harawira is pissed ‘cos the maori party have sold out to a rightwing national party..?
who are screwing maori over..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:November 13th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
It was Dr Sharples who said let the racist email be made public. Otherwise the white motherfucker thing would have remained private and this would have been a non event. So Harawera was set up. It seems that the relationship is over and Harawera will go – this seemed to take him quite by surprise. John Key has twisted the knife and said there is no place in Government for Harawera. So his vote and his influence will be nil. This sends a sharp message to everyone – politics is about numbers – 61 in particular and you cannot get much done with one vote if the Government has 61 in the bag. Harawera should probably return to his protest roots and try and get things done that way. He just does not understand what being in Government means. Dr Sharples and Mrs Turia do.
Vote:November 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
“do you not accept this is because harawira is pissed ‘cos the maori party have sold out to a rightwing national party..? who are screwing maori over..?”
Er phil, of course that’s what Hone thinks. So what?
Firstly: it don’t make it so; secondly: who cares what Hone thinks – he’s a racist who stands naked and exposed and who wants to work with a racist; thirdly: who cares who wins the Te Tai Tokerau by-election – it won’t make any difference to the numbers, Hone will be lost as an independent because he has no organisational ability and if he starts a movement composed entirely of Maori radicals then watch how quickly they become single-issue nutters with no practical ideas whatsoever.
It’s amusing to me to watch those lefties who support Hone’s position try to pretend his is a reasonable position to take, because it just shows those lefties up as complete and utter fantasists who aren’t even in the same galaxy as the rest of us, let alone on the same planet. I’m surprised your masters degree hasn’t shown you the fallacies of your own position on this issue, it’s not rocket science phil.
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