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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631514</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;do you not accept this is because harawira is pissed ‘cos the maori party have sold out to a rightwing national party..? who are screwing maori over..?&quot;

Er phil, of course that&#039;s what Hone thinks. So what?

Firstly: it don&#039;t make it so; secondly: who cares what Hone thinks - he&#039;s a racist who stands naked and exposed and who wants to work with a racist; thirdly: who cares who wins the Te Tai Tokerau by-election - it won&#039;t make any difference to the numbers, Hone will be lost as an independent because he has no organisational ability and if he starts a movement composed entirely of Maori radicals then watch how quickly they become single-issue nutters with no practical ideas whatsoever.

It&#039;s amusing to me to watch those lefties who support Hone&#039;s position try to pretend his is a reasonable position to take, because it just shows those lefties up as complete and utter fantasists who aren&#039;t even in the same galaxy as the rest of us, let alone on the same planet. I&#039;m surprised your masters degree hasn&#039;t shown you the fallacies of your own position on this issue, it&#039;s not rocket science phil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;do you not accept this is because harawira is pissed ‘cos the maori party have sold out to a rightwing national party..? who are screwing maori over..?&#8221;</p>
<p>Er phil, of course that&#8217;s what Hone thinks. So what?</p>
<p>Firstly: it don&#8217;t make it so; secondly: who cares what Hone thinks &#8211; he&#8217;s a racist who stands naked and exposed and who wants to work with a racist; thirdly: who cares who wins the Te Tai Tokerau by-election &#8211; it won&#8217;t make any difference to the numbers, Hone will be lost as an independent because he has no organisational ability and if he starts a movement composed entirely of Maori radicals then watch how quickly they become single-issue nutters with no practical ideas whatsoever.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amusing to me to watch those lefties who support Hone&#8217;s position try to pretend his is a reasonable position to take, because it just shows those lefties up as complete and utter fantasists who aren&#8217;t even in the same galaxy as the rest of us, let alone on the same planet. I&#8217;m surprised your masters degree hasn&#8217;t shown you the fallacies of your own position on this issue, it&#8217;s not rocket science phil.</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Dr Sharples who said let the racist email be made public.  Otherwise the white motherfucker thing would have remained private and this would have been a non event.  So Harawera was set up.  It seems that the relationship is over and Harawera will go - this seemed to take him quite by surprise.  John Key has twisted the knife and said there is no place in Government for Harawera.  So his vote and his influence will be nil.  This sends a sharp message to everyone - politics is about numbers - 61 in particular and you cannot get much done with one vote if the Government has 61 in the bag.  Harawera should probably return to his protest roots and try and get things done that way.  He just does not understand what being in Government means.  Dr Sharples and Mrs Turia do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Dr Sharples who said let the racist email be made public.  Otherwise the white motherfucker thing would have remained private and this would have been a non event.  So Harawera was set up.  It seems that the relationship is over and Harawera will go &#8211; this seemed to take him quite by surprise.  John Key has twisted the knife and said there is no place in Government for Harawera.  So his vote and his influence will be nil.  This sends a sharp message to everyone &#8211; politics is about numbers &#8211; 61 in particular and you cannot get much done with one vote if the Government has 61 in the bag.  Harawera should probably return to his protest roots and try and get things done that way.  He just does not understand what being in Government means.  Dr Sharples and Mrs Turia do.</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631439</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reid..even sharples and turei concede harawira will win the seat..

do you not accept this is because harawira is pissed &#039;cos the maori party have sold out to a rightwing national party..?

who are screwing maori over..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reid..even sharples and turei concede harawira will win the seat..</p>
<p>do you not accept this is because harawira is pissed &#8216;cos the maori party have sold out to a rightwing national party..?</p>
<p>who are screwing maori over..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: jabba</title>
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		<dc:creator>jabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reid .. yep, hard to argue against .. his mother dressed in the finest (well sort of) honky glory is as mad as a snake .. Hone/Jon had no where to go from the day he was born</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reid .. yep, hard to argue against .. his mother dressed in the finest (well sort of) honky glory is as mad as a snake .. Hone/Jon had no where to go from the day he was born</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631431</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A significant thing on Morning Report today was that someone said Buddy had been asked if he wanted to stand against Hone.

Imagine that.

He might lose, but OTOH, he mightn&#039;t.

Personally I think it&#039;s sad for the country that apparently there are still Maori who, like Hone, can&#039;t see the difference between 2009 and 1909. I can&#039;t blame Hone for if you had parents like he had, what else would you think? But just like the Greens, these people are living in some sort of loopy fantasyland which doesn&#039;t actually exist in reality.

Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A significant thing on Morning Report today was that someone said Buddy had been asked if he wanted to stand against Hone.</p>
<p>Imagine that.</p>
<p>He might lose, but OTOH, he mightn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Personally I think it&#8217;s sad for the country that apparently there are still Maori who, like Hone, can&#8217;t see the difference between 2009 and 1909. I can&#8217;t blame Hone for if you had parents like he had, what else would you think? But just like the Greens, these people are living in some sort of loopy fantasyland which doesn&#8217;t actually exist in reality.</p>
<p>Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: snowy</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;bring on the harawira/sue bradford party..!

(possible name..?..’ebony and ivory party’..?)&quot;

Doubt Hone Horrorwrecker would want to form a party with a white motherfucker (or should that be fatherfucker?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;bring on the harawira/sue bradford party..!</p>
<p>(possible name..?..’ebony and ivory party’..?)&#8221;</p>
<p>Doubt Hone Horrorwrecker would want to form a party with a white motherfucker (or should that be fatherfucker?)</p>
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		<title>By: jabba</title>
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		<dc:creator>jabba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must give credit, with reservations, to the Maori leadership in that they have realised that Hone has really fucked up this time .. in fact many times it seems. I can&#039;t wait to see what happens with this ridiculous side show over the next 2 weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must give credit, with reservations, to the Maori leadership in that they have realised that Hone has really fucked up this time .. in fact many times it seems. I can&#8217;t wait to see what happens with this ridiculous side show over the next 2 weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Hurf Durf</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631410</link>
		<dc:creator>Hurf Durf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Hone had to do was say &quot;I&#039;m sorry I&#039;m a racist dickhead, I will now spend the next six months in a diversity training school paid for by the Bros Party&quot; a week ago. Unfortunately, racists are often unaware that their behaviour and attitudes are racist and so go about their daily business totally ignorant. 

Joris de Bres&#039; has got his back now though, so he doesn&#039;t have to do it. Tosser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All Hone had to do was say &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry I&#8217;m a racist dickhead, I will now spend the next six months in a diversity training school paid for by the Bros Party&#8221; a week ago. Unfortunately, racists are often unaware that their behaviour and attitudes are racist and so go about their daily business totally ignorant. </p>
<p>Joris de Bres&#8217; has got his back now though, so he doesn&#8217;t have to do it. Tosser.</p>
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		<title>By: Countess</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631408</link>
		<dc:creator>Countess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats funny  manolo, just a few days ago the same Hone was was just a &#039;tinge&#039; of racism ( Keys words on Q+A).

So at last , Key has found his backbone, when even the Maori party has turned their back on Hone,  how brave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats funny  manolo, just a few days ago the same Hone was was just a &#8216;tinge&#8217; of racism ( Keys words on Q+A).</p>
<p>So at last , Key has found his backbone, when even the Maori party has turned their back on Hone,  how brave.</p>
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		<title>By: Adolf Fiinkensein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adolf Fiinkensein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tautikobaxter, You wanna bet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tautikobaxter, You wanna bet?</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631405</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And John Key today has advised from Singapore that an independent Harawira will have no place in any National led administration.&quot;

That&#039;s what I call &quot;second to none strong and decisive leadership&quot;.  What a brave man the PM is.  Churchill would be proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And John Key today has advised from Singapore that an independent Harawira will have no place in any National led administration.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I call &#8220;second to none strong and decisive leadership&#8221;.  What a brave man the PM is.  Churchill would be proud.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631400</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s also a bigoted racist who promotes hatred and discord between Maori citizens and the rest of NZ&#039;s citizens. The only thing he craves more than a completely separate Maori nation is his own continued sucking on the public tit. Apart from that he&#039;s a great bloke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s also a bigoted racist who promotes hatred and discord between Maori citizens and the rest of NZ&#8217;s citizens. The only thing he craves more than a completely separate Maori nation is his own continued sucking on the public tit. Apart from that he&#8217;s a great bloke.</p>
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		<title>By: tautokai.baxter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631399</link>
		<dc:creator>tautokai.baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hes done alot of good things for the electorate, setting up kohanga reo and kura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hes done alot of good things for the electorate, setting up kohanga reo and kura.</p>
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		<title>By: tautokai.baxter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631398</link>
		<dc:creator>tautokai.baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There arent 12,000 &quot;unemployable beneficiaries, child bashers and and dope growers&quot; in Te Tai Tokerau. Fool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There arent 12,000 &#8220;unemployable beneficiaries, child bashers and and dope growers&#8221; in Te Tai Tokerau. Fool.</p>
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		<title>By: Adolf Fiinkensein</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631394</link>
		<dc:creator>Adolf Fiinkensein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrence, you are deluded.  It has more to do with keeping intelligent Maori happy.  Those Maori and part Maori who, unlike Mr Harawira&#039;s rabble, are getting on with running businesses and have long ago given up the politics of envy and entitlement for the disaster they are.  I happen to be one of those.

BTW it amuses me to see his supporters described as low skilled and unskilled workers.  A more accurate descriptor would be unemployable beneficiaries, child bashers and and dope growers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence, you are deluded.  It has more to do with keeping intelligent Maori happy.  Those Maori and part Maori who, unlike Mr Harawira&#8217;s rabble, are getting on with running businesses and have long ago given up the politics of envy and entitlement for the disaster they are.  I happen to be one of those.</p>
<p>BTW it amuses me to see his supporters described as low skilled and unskilled workers.  A more accurate descriptor would be unemployable beneficiaries, child bashers and and dope growers.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Speaking to reporters in Singapore, ahead of the Apec leaders&#039; summit starting tomorrow, Prime Minister John Key says there will be no place in his Government for firebrand Mr Harawira if he decides to go independent.&quot;
[http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3058222/No-place-for-independent-Harawira-in-Govt]

So I guess this means Harawira is of no use to John Key now unless whatever he says or puts forward is filtered by the Maori Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Speaking to reporters in Singapore, ahead of the Apec leaders&#8217; summit starting tomorrow, Prime Minister John Key says there will be no place in his Government for firebrand Mr Harawira if he decides to go independent.&#8221;<br />
[http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3058222/No-place-for-independent-Harawira-in-Govt]</p>
<p>So I guess this means Harawira is of no use to John Key now unless whatever he says or puts forward is filtered by the Maori Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone please help me!!!?


I don&#039;t know what has come over me!!

I woke up this morning and suddenly like Winston Peters.

God I hope it is curable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone please help me!!!?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what has come over me!!</p>
<p>I woke up this morning and suddenly like Winston Peters.</p>
<p>God I hope it is curable.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Hakiwai</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/11/maori_party_schisms.html#comment-631378</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Hakiwai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Adolf you obviously didn&#039;t hear the clip from Whata Winiata saying Hone should consider leaving the party although they&#039;d really like him to stay - real clear thinking there!


Don&#039;t confuse the chorus of talkback callers for the opinions of those of us on the Maori roll.  Tariana is kidding herself if thinks any real damage has been done to the Maori Party so far.  Just wait til she&#039;s forced to throw Hone out to keep John Key happy and see some REAL damage.  Then there&#039;ll be the civil war in Tai Tokerau as Hone&#039;s supporters battle it out against the Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Adolf you obviously didn&#8217;t hear the clip from Whata Winiata saying Hone should consider leaving the party although they&#8217;d really like him to stay &#8211; real clear thinking there!</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse the chorus of talkback callers for the opinions of those of us on the Maori roll.  Tariana is kidding herself if thinks any real damage has been done to the Maori Party so far.  Just wait til she&#8217;s forced to throw Hone out to keep John Key happy and see some REAL damage.  Then there&#8217;ll be the civil war in Tai Tokerau as Hone&#8217;s supporters battle it out against the Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s looking like the Maori Party leadership and National/Key have dealt with this quite cleverly, giving Harawira nowhere to go but out - ok, if he reforms completely he could stay but they have made it clear they don&#039;t think that will happen, further marginalising him - it&#039;s a bit of a mana trap. 

They may not have appeared to jump for the instant fix brigade, they have done the smart groundwork instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s looking like the Maori Party leadership and National/Key have dealt with this quite cleverly, giving Harawira nowhere to go but out &#8211; ok, if he reforms completely he could stay but they have made it clear they don&#8217;t think that will happen, further marginalising him &#8211; it&#8217;s a bit of a mana trap. </p>
<p>They may not have appeared to jump for the instant fix brigade, they have done the smart groundwork instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Adolf Fiinkensein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adolf Fiinkensein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrence, what are you blethering about? 

Messrs Turia and Sharples and the party president have made it abundantly clear that his behaviour is not acceptable.

Whether they stand a candidate against him is not an issue and frankly I would not be surprised if you found his support was not as wide as he would have you believe.  He a ratbag who is playing a game at the moment but make no mistake - the dye is cast vis a vis his continued party membership.  He is gone.  The party cannot survive if he remains.

And John Key today has advised from Singapore that an independent Harawira will have no place in any National led administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence, what are you blethering about? </p>
<p>Messrs Turia and Sharples and the party president have made it abundantly clear that his behaviour is not acceptable.</p>
<p>Whether they stand a candidate against him is not an issue and frankly I would not be surprised if you found his support was not as wide as he would have you believe.  He a ratbag who is playing a game at the moment but make no mistake &#8211; the dye is cast vis a vis his continued party membership.  He is gone.  The party cannot survive if he remains.</p>
<p>And John Key today has advised from Singapore that an independent Harawira will have no place in any National led administration.</p>
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