Oh come ON.

AGW is a religious issue

I agree. It’s the new mooncult. Believe in AGW (like a child would believe in Santa) or be cast out.

Also, a carbon tax doesn’t come with any obligation to give money to any third party. It simply substitutes one domestic form of taxation for another.

why can’t our politicians say this.
Not one has got up in parliament and done so accept ACT.
Why must it be a little party where are the people of principle in the Labour and National parties?

Why must politicians lie?
That is what they are doing if they don’t acknowledge the reality of the bullshit that is the ETS and climate change viz a viz the economics.
It would take just one country openly saying, hey guys this is bullshit.
We accept there is climate change but not the doom sayers who are rushing at this and appear to be controlling the conversation.

We stop here.
We are going to be more sustainable as it is what is best practice but we are not going to hand over our peoples money to third parties, neither are we going to cripple our economy based on faulty science.

Why can’t JK and others say this?
I think it is a character issue, simple.
That is the difference between a person of principle and a compromiser.

The deal maker looks for the deal instead of standing up and saying this doesn’t stack up.
I think pragmatic Kiwis would support a PM who told the truth and did that.
I also think there would be an awful lot of people in the world who would say thank you lets walk together.

http://sciblogs.co.nz/chthonic-wildlife-ramblings/2009/11/27/a-quick-and-dirty-guide-to-global-warming-for-nz/

Its opposition is due to a religion. There is no valid science to oppose it.

Worship of the mammon is no less a religion than any other… and the science behind AGW (I won’t use ACC, too confusing) is very nearly as difficult to refute as evolution.

You can talk to the Greens or you can talk to Mother Nature. Most Greens won’t spank but Mom is breaking out a can of whup-ass you would do well to avoid.

You will not find a single word about bankrupting the country here
http://www.greens.org.nz/policy/economic
…so stop lying.

Besides. Though not for the reasons you lot use, Greens regard the changes in OUR ETS as lower than whalepuke.

It is nothing more than an arrogant corporatist wealth transfer from taxpayers to businesses now. Instead of using market forces to adjust our behaviour we’re going to use our imaginations, because that’s all we’re going to have when Key and his cronies are done with us. Forget about having clothes on our back.

The US has to cut emissions in half to get close to what will work folks. This isn’t about what WE want. It is about what has to happen for the planet not to return to conditions last seen when our ancestors were less than a meter tall and had prehensile tails.

BJ

As opposed to Luc Hansen who is a lone wanker
Sorry too easy

Have fun

It’s one thing to pretend you’re playing the game, it’s quite another to clap and cheer as if one actually believes that whatever happened actually will make a blind bit of difference.

Stupid doesn’t begin to describe it.

There is a degree of faith required, scary isn’t it..

Yeah, I thought that was the case with what you said.

However, with the PM, if he was working it out that way, why not share it with the populace? Why not be up front and tell us we are going to get completely screwed if we don’t play along with the rest of the world? Why not let the country decide what we want to risk, because when it comes down to it, we have more to lose than he does.

I think the answer to that question is that he has his own reasons for going along with this, just like he had his own reasons for refusing to repeal the anti-smacking law.