I don’t share your optimism re the media holding the government to account in any way at all where potentially innocent people are concerned. In my experience the media are uniformly pro-crown and have neither concept of justice nor any real legal knowledge to allow them to understand what is really going on.

The question that you must answer is this: am I willing to have my assets stripped from me even if I have done nothing wrong, in order to allow criminals to be pursued? If you answer yes, then all is well for you. If no, then you have an issue with this legislation.

Personally, I have an issue with this legislation.

I’m not really inclined to tolerate that, and I’m very keen to find a way to express my inclination.

I don’t really think that this will result in innocent people being stripped of their assets, because if that person is genuinely innocent and not some relation of some scumbag, then I think in this country the media would be all over that person and the authorities would find themselves in very hot water indeed.

That may not be enough protection from a lawyer’s perspective, but given that I want to prevent all criminals from benefiting in anyway from their crimes, including being prevented from passing any of those benefits whatsoever onto their families or associated persons, how would you suggest such a framework might be designed?

Still, we must trust the police implicitly because obviously they wouldn’t to to confiscate the property of anybody who wasn’t actually a crim in some way, right?

Is it really the policy of the National Party to reverse the doctrine of innocent until proven guilty?

But then I think of NZPolice not getting it right in searches etc and think on the myriad others this bill will empower and that fills me with trepidation.

For SIS, MILInt, GCHQ, Customs they should have extended powers but with judicial review and it should be against designated terrorist groups,
Local govt? No way.

But why not name and list gangs while we are at it as one should terrorist orgs.

Yes, I Guess so F E.
But hey, lets trust politicians with this one, give the Meat Board power to detain you, the politicians have our best interests at heart after all.

F E if you have not already done so, I would strongly suggest you watch Q & A:
http://tvnz.co.nz/q-and-a-news/judith-collins-interviewed-paul-holmes-3105218

I almost fell off my seat when I heard this:

Paul Holmes: So you are actually proposing reversing the doctrine of innocent until proven guilty?
Collins: Yes, it’s wonderful isn’t it? Its the only way we can catch these people

And what happends if they don’t answer? Do they get shock treatment or waterboarded?