Should Beenie Man be banned?

November 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Charles Chauvel blogs at Red Alert a letter to Associate Minister Kate Wilkinson:

Invitation to Anthony Moses Davis (alias “”) to perform at 2010: Request to Decline Entry Visa

Anthony Moses Davis (born Kingston, Jamaica, August 22, 1973) is a reggae performer, notorious for his lyrics and other statements promoting the killing of gay and lesbian people.

The lyrics to one of his songs include: “I’m dreaming of a new Jamaica, come to execute all the gays”. In another, “Mi Nah Wallah”, he says he would like to cut the throats of all gay men.  In “Bad Man Chi Chi Man” he instructs listeners to kill gay deejays, and in “Han Up Deh”, he advocates hanging lesbians, with a long piece of rope.

It is reported that the organisers of the Big Day Out, a music festival, have invited Anthony Moses Davis to perform at their 2010 event.

Since 1994, gay and lesbian New Zealanders have had the protections affirmed by the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act.  These include the right to freedom from discrimination.  That right cannot be given practical effect if people who rejoice in advocating violence towards us, especially in a public way, are welcomed to this country.  As one of our parliamentary colleagues has recently observed in this context, music that denigrates gay men and lesbians in the most extreme way imaginable sends some very powerful signals both to young gay and lesbian people but also to their peers.  It is now well-document that many young lesbian and gay people suffer violence, harrassment, lowered self-esteem and the consequent health and social problems that stem from the denigration that many of them experience.  It cannot be conducive to social cohesiveness, good order and desirable public policy that these outcomes are facilitated.  Granting an entry visa to Anthony Moses Davis would constitute such facilitation.

It appears that Anthony Moses Davis is a Jamaican passport holder.  As such, he does not enjoy the right to visa-free entry to New Zealand.
I ask that you decline an entry visa on the grounds set out in para
Y3.1 viii of the Immigration Manual, which notes that “people will normally be refused entry to New Zealand if they…are a threat to security or public order in New Zealand”.  For the reasons set out above, Anthony Moses Davis constitutes such a threat.

Okay, where to start. My thoughts:

  1. Beenie Man is a despicable piece of scum.
  2. The organisers of Big Day Out should be pilloried for inviting him
  3. Arguing that his attending Big Day Out is a “threat to security or public order” is a very big stretch – especially as Beenie Man no longer sings lyrics promoting killing homosexuals
  4. The best response to hate speech is more speech, not less.
  5. I think the situation is similar to that of David Irving. Don’t ban then from coming here, but protest against them when they are here.
  6. Better responses would be for people to organise a boycott of Big Day Out for inviting him, or to arrange suitable protests at BDO – sell anti Beenie Man t-shirts and/or try and co-ordinate a sit down when he plays.
  7. Beenie Man is again a despicable piece of scum
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42 Responses to “Should Beenie Man be banned?”

  1. somewhatthoughtful (450 comments) says:

    As always controversy = free publicity. I bet Barry Blackler (organiser of BDO) is loving this!

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  2. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Denial of entry is also denial of our opportunity to engage and challenge these people.

    I remember we once denied entry to the current Prime Minister of East Timor, Jose Ramos Horta, who these days would have been labeled then as a leader of a terrorist organisation. It’s a weapon that should be very sparingly used and not directed at those with contrarian ideological views.

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  3. Piggy (66 comments) says:

    http://www.bigdayout.com/news/pressreleases.php?PressReleaseId=52

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  4. tautokai.baxter (199 comments) says:

    The thing people need to remember is that in Jamica there are many, many gay men that come from America and other places and kidnap young Jamican boys as sex slaves. I will never condone his lyrics or the sentiments behind them, never. However I think it is worth remembering why some of what is being said is being said… I don’t think he should be denied entry either but please protest, he needs to wake up to the hate hes insighting.

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  5. big bruv (13,200 comments) says:

    How is it that so many can express outrage at the comments of this Beenie man chap yet remains strangely silent when our own John Harawira calls the vast majority of people in New Zealand ‘White motherfuckers’?

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  6. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    I think you’ve all got rocks in your heads, have you actually read the lyrics to all his songs incl all the recent ones?
    Similarly have you ever read the lyrics to gansta rap and hip hop songs?

    The denigration of women is massive but I have never seen you ever get up in arms about them.
    Ohh maybe its because he was at some time against the poster boy for the now generation, the GayLesbianTransgenderBisexual people!
    How silly of me to not see that first up.

    What a wowser I must be.
    Fancy being so homophobic that I can’t see how much more important that they are compared to half the population of the world who have been discriminated far worse than Homosexuals.
    Duh!

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  7. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    Its interesting…

    Most rap artists consistently publish music tracks that blatantly offend women and discriminate against them – shouldn’t we make it a lot more consistent and ban all rap artists instead of just one?

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  8. Manolo (13,313 comments) says:

    The delicate Charles Chauvel is offended. What a surprise!

    This rapper is a piece of scum, but he should allowed to enter and perform. Let’s the audiences decide if they want to listen to him or not.

    Rainbow Chauvel should be dedicating the little energy he has to more important matters, like condemning the racist Harawira.

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  9. RAS (62 comments) says:

    So how come this guy is so bad that we should deny him entry, but Zaoui was/is a cause célèbre? I’m sure his attitude, and that of the Islamic Salvation Front, are just as “enlightened” towards gays.

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  10. Fale Andrew Lesa (473 comments) says:

    It’s simple – PC gone mad!

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  11. transmogrifier (520 comments) says:

    Agree with David, more or less word for word. Not much else to say.

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  12. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Yeh maybe, but NZ Inc is about broke and we perhaps should ask if this is the best use of our available dollars and should we allow scum like this to take away our money especially when we spend so much TAXPAYERS dollars on trying the rectify the results of this scumbags “teachings”.

    We don’t need this shit nor the attitudes that he brings with him, unless of course you want more people problems and more people killing, maiming, drugging and going to jail for the cause.
    Time to draw the line and say that this is not what NZ stands for.

    Now I’m fairly freedom minded (give us our taxes back),but there is always a bottom line for community standards and this scumbag is well below that.

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  13. BR (79 comments) says:

    Homos are far too easily offended.

    Anyone can find something to be offended by if they look hard enough. Most people just suck it up and get on with life without whining. What ever happened to, “I don’t agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”.

    C’mon you sissies, get over it.

    Bill.

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  14. transmogrifier (520 comments) says:

    Bill, hope you were saying the same thing regarding Hone too :)

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  15. Fairfacts Media (371 comments) says:

    Invite Beenie Man in.
    Take him to K Road.
    And set the drag queens on him.
    That will sort him out.

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  16. BR (79 comments) says:

    I defend Honny’s right to say what he wants. I don’t defend his travelling to Europe on the taxpayers’ nickel and then skiving off from the meeting that he originally went there for in the first place so that he could check out some white mofo’s culture.

    It’s not about what Honny said, it’s about the money.

    Bill.

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  17. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,787 comments) says:

    Here’s your answer. He ain’t comin’.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10609422

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  18. dime (9,356 comments) says:

    BR – yea they are too easily offended.

    what started out as a gay movement wanting equal rights has turned into a left wing gay movement who want more than equal rights.

    i hate when any music is banned, bugs the shit outta me

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  19. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Homosexual activists angry because their gay marriage proposition was blocked in Maine-

    Blog poster “ColdCountry”: “Will someone please give me a gun?”

    Poster “Fritz”: “What I fear is that once gay and lesbian people give up hope of achieving equality through nonviolent means, there will be radicals who will begin to hunt down haters… All it will take is a small group of radical zealots who are willing to kill for their cause.”

    “Tex” posted: “Fritz….you say this like it’s a bad thing? Maybe a bit of well organized terrorism is just what we need. “This happens in all cases where people are oppressed and lack representation. We will have gay and lesbian people strapping bombs to their chests and blowing up churches. All it will take is one or two more losses like this. If marriage equality is taken away in one of the landmark states, we will see domestic terrorism arise very quickly. … In 1991, I witnessed gay and lesbian activists setting fire to buildings and beating people with baseball bats in Los Angeles.”

    “Tex”: “Still not seeing this as a bad thing Fritz … [African gay activists] didn’t gain their civil rights through being passive.”

    A telephone message-

    “I am calling about Mr. Mike Heath, the Executive of your Christian Civic League of Maine. He thinks that gay people should have our rights revoked that we already have. Well I can tell him this – I’m a gay guy who owns guns, and he’s my next target.”

    Another death threat was made against Marc Mutty, chief of the unaffiliated “Yes On One” organization: “You’re dead. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon…you’re dead.”

    Another blog posting-

    “I suggest we throw a pride parade at the whitehouse and everyone bring their guns. We form a militia and get our gay rights by raiding the whitehouse and possibly burning it down or something. … We’ve got to shoot out a few Govenors (sic) knee caps, kill a few cops, burn down a few churches. We could get it done this year.”

    http://townhall.com/columnists/MattBarber/2009/11/13/gay_jihad?page=full&comments=true

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  20. MikeE (555 comments) says:

    If these land rights for gay whales crowd were serious about protesting, they should have done it sound clash style..

    One wonders what this means for any future dancehall artists, as these lyrics are standard practise.

    These sort of things are why I am increasingly worried that the Service and Food Workers Union has an effective veto on all incoming music acts coming into NZ (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/entertainment/2868261/Rock-acts-to-pay-extra-to-play-in-NZ) all it takes is one union busy body to take exception to whoever you are touring and you can kiss your gig (and any cash you’ve invested in it) goodbye.

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  21. Fletch (5,994 comments) says:

    It’s best he doesn’t come because I don’t agree with people being discriminated against or threatened even if I don’t believe in the practice of homosexuality; however, there is usually a double standard.

    If an artist was invited into the country who offended Catholics (of which there are more in NZ than ‘gays’) and we raised a stink about it, I doubt that anything would be done because it’s OK to offend Catholics. If you offend against the sacred cow of homosexuality though, watch out! It’s very Un-PC; it’s like begin racist, even though homosexuality and civil rights have nothing in common (although activists would like you to think so).

    I’m sure the majority of Christians here don’t want Richard Dawkins to visit next year (for the International Arts Festival???), but I doubt anyone protesting will make a difference. I would like to see someone debate Dawkins, but that won’t happen because he doesn’t debate creationists anymore on account of him always losing.

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  22. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    “Similarly have you ever read the lyrics to gansta rap and hip hop songs?”

    Mike, most people on this forum ( with the obvious exception of the left wing trolls ) have enough intelligence to avoid rap and hip-hop “songs” anyway, regardless of lyrical content.

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  23. Brian Smaller (3,981 comments) says:

    Homos are far too easily offended.
    ….

    Most people just suck it up and get on with life without whining.

    Interesting choice of words.

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  24. itsallapriori (31 comments) says:

    I think there is a clear line between “offense” and lyrics endorsing violence. Personally, I hate almost all rap and other mainstream music for its blatant misogyny, and if a case could be made to show the causation of harm or intent of harm, then I’d be supportive of that.

    But what we have here with Beenie Man is a case of hate-speech that has gone beyond offense into the realm of endorsing violence. As per what was said about “gay men that come from America and other places and kidnap young Jamican boys as sex slaves” well that is abhorrent, as was the slavery of the Jamaicans by the predominantly heterosexual colonizers. But what is relevant is that Beenie Man endorses violence against LGBT in a nation tarnished by its abhorrent violence against LGBT record. His music is part of a system of oppression and violence, and he is an insufficient non-redundant part of necessary and sufficient causes for the actual murder and violence against gays. To me, that is enough in itself to justify banning him, and his ilk.

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  25. itsallapriori (31 comments) says:

    To put it another way, in a perfectly comparable example; rap and hip-hop artists have been using the phrase “no homo” to reassure their homophobic audiences that the preceding line was not in anyway intended to endorse or refer to homosexual acts. Lines such as “I’ve never had my dick sucked by a man before, but you gon’ be the first you lil trick-ass ho”. Yerp.

    Anyway, that’s offensive to LGBT – insinuating there is something wrong or necessary to be avoided about homosexuality.

    However, those artists are just stupid, and we can laugh at them. There is even a satirical sketch doing so. Sure, we have reasons to find their music repulsive, damaging, and part of a network of homophobic sentiment; but you don’t catch Lil Wayne telling his audience to hang or stab their gay and lesbian peers.

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  26. Inventory2 (10,088 comments) says:

    Just a thought – has Charles Chauvel called for Trevor Mallard to be sanction for calling Chris Finlayson “Tinkerbell”?

    Thought not.

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  27. MikeE (555 comments) says:

    “Mike, most people on this forum ( with the obvious exception of the left wing trolls ) have enough intelligence to avoid rap and hip-hop “songs” anyway, regardless of lyrical content.”

    So what you are saying is then, that most have enough intelligence to not listen to something, but make uninformed comment on it anyway?

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  28. Brian Smaller (3,981 comments) says:

    My big question is who gives a fuck?

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  29. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    You have to wonder about wisdom of banning hate speech. Has anyone heard of any research on whether making holocaust denial an imprisonable offence in Austria etc has made any difference to support for neo-fascists?

    There was an attempt to slip through anti-hate speech legislation in NZ after our film censors moved to ban some anti-gay film from some born-again Christian group. I think I recall reading somewhere that Stephen Franks was the MP who spotted the provision hidden away in another bill. This led to it being dropped.

    DPF is right on this issue, and so was Milton in his famous mention of truth always beating falsehood.

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  30. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Re my 8.52 post mentioning Milton.

    Milton included of course “in free and open encounter”.

    That means in a democracy, like NZ.

    I think anti-hate speech laws and moves like Chauvel’s diminish “free and open encounter”.

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  31. Craig Ranapia (1,912 comments) says:

    BR:

    I’ve very sorry if your bridge has been flooded out, but couldn’t you go get down with your troll self somewhere else?

    Meanwhile, I’d really like Chauvel to take a deep breath and have a good think about what he’s demanding Kate Wilkinson do. I wonder what he’d have to say if a certain Robert Nesta Marley had been denied a visa to enter New Zealand in 1979 because of his lyrical advocacy of use of a certain controlled substance?

    Charles also need a history lesson of the way bookstores and gay/lesbian right groups were routinely subjected to Customs and Police harassment if they tried to import books, no matter how inoccuous, if they just had the words “homosexual” in the title! Using the power of the state to censor unfashionable speech isn’t quite so attractive when you’re on the receiving end, rather than dishing it out.

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  32. Craig Ranapia (1,912 comments) says:

    Jack5 wrote:
    Milton included of course “in free and open encounter”.

    I reply:
    Like hell he did — and Milton would have found “a democracy, like NZ”, with its tolerance for Catholics and Jews and its manifold libertine errors, deeply repulsive. I think it does help discussion if we don’t distort Milton by removing him, and his work, from their historical and social contexts.

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  33. Biomag83 (94 comments) says:

    Calm down David, Chavel would be better using his time asking the minister to stop letting in muslim immigrants, now thats a real threat to peace

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  34. Brian Smaller (3,981 comments) says:

    Biomag83 – I was reading some jihadi websites over the weekend and saw oen post that said that ‘our mujaheed brothers in UK, Europe, Canada, Australia and New zealand’ would take heart at Hasan’s killings in the US. Wouldn’t suprise me if we did have Al Q cells here already – either freelance or franchised.

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  35. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    So, things work as they should. BDO invite this guy. And, to some extent, I can see that they thought he didn’t do lyrics like that anymore, so why not? I mean, if he still can’t perform anywhere, he may as well go back to writing those lyrics – what was the point in getting him to renounce them?

    Anyway, a large enough group protest, BDO realise the error of their ways, they uninvite him.

    Well done all.

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  36. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    big bruv (4875) Vote: 46 3 Says:
    November 15th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
    How is it that so many can express outrage at the comments of this Beenie man chap yet remains strangely silent when our own John Harawira calls the vast majority of people in New Zealand ‘White motherfuckers’?

    Strangely silent? Have you been on Mars or something?

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  37. db (22 comments) says:

    Agree completely with all points 1-7. New Zealand is an ostrich country that tries to ban, censor, avoid, sweep under the carpet and otherwise deny anything and everything that has the slightest chance of making anyone in any way the least bit uncomfortable. It really is time we uncoddled our children, cut lose the religious nuts, grew up and quit letting our sensibilities be dictated by the overly squeamish. Protecting children from pornographers is where I draw the line and it is the only line I draw. Everything else should be open to free and unfettered public discourse. If we can’t stand up to brainless bigots we don’t deserve to exist as a country.

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  38. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller 8:27 am,

    Biomag83 – I was reading some jihadi websites over the weekend and saw oen post that said that ‘our mujaheed brothers in UK, Europe, Canada, Australia and New zealand’ would take heart at Hasan’s killings in the US. Wouldn’t suprise me if we did have Al Q cells here already – either freelance or franchised.

    That’s scary stuff, Brian.
    Quite sobering to think we may have radical Muslim elements in good ol’ Godzone.
    I’d be keen on the links to that info for my records – if you have it handy.

    No doubt deniers like Luc will continue to say that Islam is no threat to NZ. Not until our first home soil Muslim act of terrorism. And even then he’ll have some excuse absolving the terrorists of their actions.

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  39. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Craig Ranapaia, in his 11.15 Nov 16 post challenged what I attributed to Milton.

    Craig, here is the quote from Milton’s Areopagitica: “…Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open encounter? Her confuting is the best and surest suppressing…”

    `Her’ in this case refers to `Truth”, from the previous sentence in the essay.

    I think the opposite to you in demanding historical and social contexts, by which I presume you mean consistency with these contexts. If you demand such consistency you also reject the US constitution because many, perhaps most of its pioneers were slave owners; you reject Plato and the other great Greek thinkers because they were of the leisure class in a slave state; you reject Churchill because he allied with the Soviet Union; you reject Einstein’s anti-nuclear sentiments because he was a Zionist and Israel probably has the bomb; you may even have to reject Maori leaders’ signing the Treaty of Waitangi because Maori legal tradition at that stage wasn’t much beyond club and spear.

    As for Milton finding present day NZ repulsive, the same might be true of many or most people moved over four centuries or more, Catholics as well as Puritans. What would the Greek founders of democracy have thought of our Parliament?

    Milton was advanced in many of his views. For example he was an early supporter of the right of people to divorce.

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  40. Jack5 (4,568 comments) says:

    Whoops, Craig, sorry for misspelling your surname. Clumsy keyboarding.

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  41. kiwichristian (15 comments) says:

    This is hate-speech, plain and simple.

    Satan has worked his way into most popular music.

    When you sing a song, you use that song to express your feelings, and he obviously wants to murder gays.

    What other meaning or reason does this person have for saying such things?

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  42. labrator (1,744 comments) says:

    Read this for Beanie mans most recent opinions on the matter.

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